C.J. Dimry could epitomize Leach's point ...

[YakiCoug]

regarding recruits more concerned with Twitter narcissism and self worship and those recruits more interested in improving themselves in the gym and on the field. The guy seems so grateful for the chance to play at this level. I'm happy he's on his way to Pullman.

 

[longtimecoug]

Originally posted by YakiCoug:
regarding recruits more concerned with Twitter narcissism and self worship and those recruits more interested in improving themselves in the gym and on the field. The guy seems so grateful for the chance to play at this level. I'm happy he's on his way to Pullman.

so am I, but let's face facts, he thought his playing days were behind him

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by longtimecoug:

Originally posted by YakiCoug:
regarding recruits more concerned with Twitter narcissism and self worship and those recruits more interested in improving themselves in the gym and on the field. The guy seems so grateful for the chance to play at this level. I'm happy he's on his way to Pullman.

so am I, but let's face facts, he thought his playing days were behind him

True, but evaluation is an inexact science. There were no five star recruits that played in the recent Superbowl. There were several no star or two star that did play.

Dimry may not ever play. But, he could also be a steal as well.

 

[kayak15]

The last two verbal commits, Dimry and Oguayo, are projects. Both tall but skinny. With good nutrition and weight training both should be able to put on weight in a relatively reasonable time, over the next couple of years. Oguayo looked to me to have good quickness but charging the line at a tad over 200 pounds will result in him being banged up and worn down fairly rapidly. The other kid, Dimry, is an interesting case. I read somewhere that his height is the result of a recent growth spurt. If correct, his reactions should catch up with his body in the next couple of years. Again, needs weight/ strength gains. I suspect that Leach is looking at him as a red zone target. Someone who can go up and get the ball in a crowd while the shorter receivers tend to get lost like shrubs in a forest. Both may fail to pan out, of course, but both have potential to be significant contributers in the future. It will be interesting to see how their development goes.

 

[ElComanche]

I do not see them as projects. I see Dimry contributing as a full time receiver during the latter part of next season. Oguayo is a definite redshirt but should see action as a redshirt frosh.I agree thta they will benefit by a good nutrition and weightlifting program. I hope that Dimry comes to Pullman in June so he can start lifting.I liked the guy s videos and as one hears more about him ,the more one is encouraged about his ability to improve and play next year.The QB next year will lead an improved coug offense

 

[Glad Cougar]

Originally posted by kayak15:

The last two verbal commits, Dimry and Oguayo, are projects. Both tall but skinny. With good nutrition and weight training both should be able to put on weight in a relatively reasonable time, over the next couple of years. Oguayo looked to me to have good quickness but charging the line at a tad over 200 pounds will result in him being banged up and worn down fairly rapidly. The other kid, Dimry, is an interesting case. I read somewhere that his height is the result of a recent growth spurt. If correct, his reactions should catch up with his body in the next couple of years. Again, needs weight/ strength gains. I suspect that Leach is looking at him as a red zone target. Someone who can go up and get the ball in a crowd while the shorter receivers tend to get lost like shrubs in a forest. Both may fail to pan out, of course, but both have potential to be significant contributers in the future. It will be interesting to see how their development goes.

There won't be a lot of time for Dimry to grow into his body and develop since he only has 2 to play 2, I believe. It's more likely that he will contribute as a senior, if at all. Glad he wants to be a Cougar though, and it's always possible he will bloom quickly.

Glad Cougar

 

[chipdouglas]

Not buying the "no 5-stars in the Super Bowl argument" you see crop up periodically.

There are only ~20 such players each year depending on the evaluating service. Numerically speaking, you're not going to see a lot of these guys ANYWHERE. But as a percentage, the proportion of elite star talent which makes it at the next level is far higher than the proportion of lesser talent.

Stars matter. They aren't the final say, but they matter and they are pretty good at predicting talent at the next level.

Weathermen aren't perfect, but they do a 10-day much better than Miss Cleo.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by chipdouglas:
Not buying the "no 5-stars in the Super Bowl argument" you see crop up periodically.

There are only ~20 such players each year depending on the evaluating service. Numerically speaking, you're not going to see a lot of these guys ANYWHERE. But as a percentage, the proportion of elite star talent which makes it at the next level is far higher than the proportion of lesser talent.

Stars matter. They aren't the final say, but they matter and they are pretty good at predicting talent at the next level.

Weathermen aren't perfect, but they do a 10-day much better than Miss Cleo.

Not quite sure why or what you are arguing. Are you stating as fact that recruiting is an exact science?

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by kayak15:

The last two verbal commits, Dimry and Oguayo, are projects. Both tall but skinny. With good nutrition and weight training both should be able to put on weight in a relatively reasonable time, over the next couple of years. Oguayo looked to me to have good quickness but charging the line at a tad over 200 pounds will result in him being banged up and worn down fairly rapidly. The other kid, Dimry, is an interesting case. I read somewhere that his height is the result of a recent growth spurt. If correct, his reactions should catch up with his body in the next couple of years. Again, needs weight/ strength gains. I suspect that Leach is looking at him as a red zone target. Someone who can go up and get the ball in a crowd while the shorter receivers tend to get lost like shrubs in a forest. Both may fail to pan out, of course, but both have potential to be significant contributors in the future. It will be interesting to see how their development goes.

I actually was the first to write about Dimry's growth spurt, but I cannot take credit. I heard it on the podcast with Brink and Gesser. He grew about 8 inches after his junior year of high school. His reactions or coordination are fine now.. It was the reason why he looked so good in his tape. Coming to campus early during the summer and then going through drills he may be able to contribute early on certain routes, like fades. Then, as the year goes on, expand what he does.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

I agree that Dimry was pretty happy just to get a chance to play. And maybe he did have thoughts that his playing days were past, at least unless he wanted to play FCS.

But when I look at Dimry's tape, I am reminded of Mike Bush. You want to talk about a guy who never thought that he would be playing football?? Bush was even more unlikely at about that age to think football than Dimry.

Dimry does not have the skill set developed at this point to start, or even get a lot of PT. But that is not a surprise, when you look at his playing history. He does appear to be athletic enough to do the job if he wants to put in the work. And you can't teach height.

We've taken a chance on a whole lot of kids over the years. Dimry looks more worth the effort than many of those. And at receiver, in particular, if you have the raw physical ability, most of the rest of what you need is between your ears, and is honed by hard work. Let's see how he does. He might surprise. I suspect that, at the very least, he will give it his best shot.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by cr8zyncalif:
I agree that Dimry was pretty happy just to get a chance to play. And maybe he did have thoughts that his playing days were past, at least unless he wanted to play FCS.

But when I look at Dimry's tape, I am reminded of Mike Bush. You want to talk about a guy who never thought that he would be playing football?? Bush was even more unlikely at about that age to think football than Dimry.

Dimry does not have the skill set developed at this point to start, or even get a lot of PT. But that is not a surprise, when you look at his playing history. He does appear to be athletic enough to do the job if he wants to put in the work. And you can't teach height.

We've taken a chance on a whole lot of kids over the years. Dimry looks more worth the effort than many of those. And at receiver, in particular, if you have the raw physical ability, most of the rest of what you need is between your ears, and is honed by hard work. Let's see how he does. He might surprise. I suspect that, at the very least, he will give it his best shot.

Regarding recruting sites or even NFL draft gurus, they do a decent job, but it is still a guess. The Seahawks have been roundly criticized for their drafts since Pete Carroll and John Schneider took over. They have now been in two Superbowls and Vegas has them the top team to win next season.

On think that Pete preaches is find out what a player does well and just do that in the beginning. Then, you teach them and begin to add to what they do. Dimry is good at over the shoulder catches. The fade route is perfect for him from day one. WSU was great between the 20's, one of the best in all of college football. But, WSU was average in the redzone. If he could change that, he may be able to contribute a little from day one.

 

[chipdouglas]

Originally posted by Coug1990:

Originally posted by chipdouglas:
Not buying the "no 5-stars in the Super Bowl argument" you see crop up periodically.

There are only ~20 such players each year depending on the evaluating service. Numerically speaking, you're not going to see a lot of these guys ANYWHERE. But as a percentage, the proportion of elite star talent which makes it at the next level is far higher than the proportion of lesser talent.

Stars matter. They aren't the final say, but they matter and they are pretty good at predicting talent at the next level.

Weathermen aren't perfect, but they do a 10-day much better than Miss Cleo.

Not quite sure why or what you are arguing. Are you stating as fact that recruiting is an exact science?

Are those my options? Either recruiting is more or less meaningless (Super Bowl example), or it's an exact science?

I tend to think it's somewhere in between. It's an imperfect signaling system, and a better indicator of success at the next level than anything else.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by chipdouglas:

Originally posted by Coug1990:

Originally posted by chipdouglas:
Not buying the "no 5-stars in the Super Bowl argument" you see crop up periodically.

There are only ~20 such players each year depending on the evaluating service. Numerically speaking, you're not going to see a lot of these guys ANYWHERE. But as a percentage, the proportion of elite star talent which makes it at the next level is far higher than the proportion of lesser talent.

Stars matter. They aren't the final say, but they matter and they are pretty good at predicting talent at the next level.

Weathermen aren't perfect, but they do a 10-day much better than Miss Cleo.

Not quite sure why or what you are arguing. Are you stating as fact that recruiting is an exact science?

Are those my options? Either recruiting is more or less meaningless (Super Bowl example), or it's an exact science?

I tend to think it's somewhere in between. It's an imperfect signaling system, and a better indicator of success at the next level than anything else.

Again why are you arguing with me? I didn't use it as an absolute. You did and then softened it a little at the end of your post to cover your bases. I said it was inexact. It is. WSU's three 10-10-10 seasons were not built upon top 10 or even top recruiting classes.

 

[kayak15]

Again, another poorly written post by me. I still see Dimry as a project but one that needs to make improvements and gains fairly rapidly. My "couple of years" phrase obviously does not apply to him as he only has two years of eligibility. Oguayo has more time to develop.

Right now I see Dimry as a "one trick pony", leaping over smaller defensive backs for the reception. Nothing wrong with that. God knows we can use that in the end zone. As far as his coordination is concerned, while watching his tape a voice in the back of my head said, "that kid is still growing into his body". Can't put my finger on it but that was my impression. I agree fully that he will be used rather conservatively in special situations early this Fall and then expand his range as it goes. I had completely ignored/forgotten his lack of playing time so good coaching has a chance to make a significant difference in his performance. Anyway, I like his commitment and look forward to seeing signs of progress.

Both of the two kids strike me as the types who will put in the effort needed for the strength gains and skill improvements from good coaching.

As long as I am here posting, I wish Leach would find someone to serve as a fullback type during these red zone occasions. Someone who can block on passing plays and has the size to move the pile on short yardage situations. Maybe a walk on type or one of our DE's or a good sized LB. Somebody who would attract the defense's attention to the middle of the line. We have not been able to turn the corner running and passing in the compressed space is a problem. A bit more concern by the opposition's defense to the center of the line would do wonders freeing up guys like Dimry for those sideline passes. But what do I know? It is Leach's job to figure this out and I am sure that he will.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

+1 on the fullback kid. Or at least a halfback who is big enough to move the pile. Most teams manage to get double duty by having a dual TE/FB kid, but that dual threat kid really doesn't have a home in the classic Air Raid. I think our best bet will be to have a DE or MLB who can carry the ball in goal line situations as our single back. The other team would have to respect that kid's ability to hit a hole hard, and at the same time the kid would be useful in pass protection if he didn't run. You give up the speedy outlet pass to the RB if you do that, but in short yardage situations you probably gain just as much or more by being a bigger run threat.