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[BiggsCoug]

Is there another school that has had as many game course changing calls or no calls as WSU??? This is 25 f&cking years I have watched this bullshit go down.

Pac 12 refs are dirty. The league is in on it. Why ADs and Presidents around the league arent demanding better is beyond me.

 

[froropmkr72]

Is there another school that has had as many game course changing calls or no calls as WSU??? This is 25 f&cking years I have watched this bullshit go down.

Pac 12 refs are dirty. The league is in on it. Why ADs and Presidents around the league arent demanding better is beyond me.

What? A little supposed helmet to helmet. Swear to gawd that I heard the color man hiccup a beer.

 

[froropmkr72]

What? A little supposed helmet to helmet. Swear to gawd that I heard the color man hiccup a beer.

Could get behind him in a hiccup?

 

[BiggsCoug]

What? A little supposed helmet to helmet. Swear to gawd that I heard the color man hiccup a beer.

Ive seen kids flagged for much less. The timing of the play??? 3rd down to extend the drive or 4th down to punt it away....

Whats the spread??? 10.5???

 

[Coug90]

Ive seen kids flagged for much less. The timing of the play??? 3rd down to extend the drive or 4th down to punt it away....

Whats the spread??? 10.5???

When there’s no accountability and you’ve got stuff like what went down w Woody in the booth against USC, you are gonna have a shit show. It’s bad for the conference. But the conference is mismanaged top to bottom.

 

[etowncoug]

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade but the officiating didn't cause us to lose by 2 scores despite Oregon gifting us three turnovers in the first half.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade but the officiating didn't cause us to lose by 2 scores despite Oregon gifting us three turnovers in the first half.

Agree. But it didnt help. It changes the trajectory of the game. Excusing it doesnt help either.

 

[ATACFD]

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade but the officiating didn't cause us to lose by 2 scores despite Oregon gifting us three turnovers in the first half.

No it didn't. However, it doesn't have to be either/or. We can still complain about the bad Pac12 refs and I've been a Coug fan a long time and seen too many ref fails - the majority of which do NOT go our way....

 

[chugspig]

I personally liked the way the game was called. I think they let guys plays. And although the calls in question may have benefited us, I would want them called like that for us and against us in the future.

 

[Coug90]

I personally liked the way the game was called. I think they let guys plays. And although the calls in question may have benefited us, I would want them called like that for us and against us in the future.

Problem is...when you put it in that context doesn’t seem like we get those breaks often. That said JRs hit last week coulda been a targeting too, and they picked it up. Seems like they are giving guys the benefit of the doubt more this year than in the past b

 

[dgibbons]

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade but the officiating didn't cause us to lose by 2 scores despite Oregon gifting us three turnovers in the first half.

I blame the special teams coach who didn’t tell the kicker to kick into the end zone right before half. Pink slip!

 

[CougPatrol]

I blame the special teams coach who didn’t tell the kicker to kick into the end zone right before half. Pink slip!

I blame Rolo. Leach owned Oregon.

 

[dgibbons]

I blame Rolo. Leach owned Oregon.

This defense is good enough to win the conference. Pink slips!

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Is there another school that has had as many game course changing calls or no calls as WSU??? This is 25 f&cking years I have watched this bullshit go down.

Pac 12 refs are dirty. The league is in on it. Why ADs and Presidents around the league arent demanding better is beyond me.

Because they're wusses. If they were actually not, they'd fired Leisure Suit Larry a long time ago.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Because they're wusses. If they were actually not, they'd fired Leisure Suit Larry a long time ago.

I would love to see the FBI investigate. The government went after Barry Bonds and Aunt Becky... What would they find if they started digging thru phone records and bank statements of PAC 12 refs and league officials???? How many of these guys are living a little bit too large for their reported incomes???? Who spends time in Vegas a few too many times per year???? Who has a gambling debt they cant pay???

For me, it goes all the way back to Bobby Wade faking a touchdown catch to win it as time expires.... everyone in the stadium knows it was crap except for the refs.... men who are paid to see the play and are on top of it...

If this type of thing happened once or twice, ah fine. But it doesnt. It happens all the time. Stanford, SC, UO, etc.... missed calls on catches, no calls on targeting, phantom calls on sideline plays... I feel like it has gone beyond vast coincidence.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

I would love to see the FBI investigate. The government went after Barry Bonds and Aunt Becky... What would they find if they started digging thru phone records and bank statements of PAC 12 refs and league officials???? How many of these guys are living a little bit too large for their reported incomes???? Who spends time in Vegas a few too many times per year???? Who has a gambling debt they cant pay???

For me, it goes all the way back to Bobby Wade faking a touchdown catch to win it as time expires.... everyone in the stadium knows it was crap except for the refs.... men who are paid to see the play and are on top of it...

If this type of thing happened once or twice, ah fine. But it doesnt. It happens all the time. Stanford, SC, UO, etc.... missed calls on catches, no calls on targeting, phantom calls on sideline plays... I feel like it has gone beyond vast coincidence.

The thing that conspiracy theories miss is that everybody (EVERYBODY) has to be silent or they unravel. Most secrets can't survive two people knowing about them, and three people can almost never survive eventual exposure. A ref conspiracy on that sort of scale would require far more people than that. For that reason I don't believe that there is an organized conspiracy. Now, if instead you wanted to discuss massive incompetence (where the definition of incompetence includes the inability to be consistently correct), then we could have a conversation. Add in some rather arbitrary rules (targeting, for example) that are genuinely difficult to enforce in borderline situations, and you have created a scenario where there will always be questions. And for the record, I do believe that the smaller schools in the league do not get equivalent breaks, and the number of absolutely egregious missed calls falls disproportionately on the smaller schools. But you know...life is that way...and even though we try to avoid it, some is just going to happen. Get on a roll, be the hot team, and you remove some of that from the equation. I think Rolo has a shot at doing just that.

 

[Glad Cougar]

I don't believe in a conspiracy, but I do subscribe to the belief that the smaller schools don't get equivalent breaks. To me, there's a fine line between that reality and a "conspiracy" since I think it's a case of "when in doubt", the refs and conference officials are going to protect those teams that have a perceived better chance of making the conference some money. It's not unique to the Pac-12. I don't have a problem with the scheduling that took place this year which gave UO and USC the easiest road to an undefeated season in conference play. I do have a problem when judgment calls on the field seem egregiously lopsided in favor of those two schools. Whether it's the non-called pass interference penalty against Isaiah Myers a few years ago or the non-targeting last night in a critical part of the game, I do believe the Ducks get an advantage when they are among the conference's best.

Yes, we tend to remember the calls that went against us (who can forget the last 3 seconds of the 98 Rose Bowl?) but I'm willing to bet an objective analytical look over the years would show WSU gets the short end of the stick more often than not, maybe by far.

Ducks would've won last night's game regardless of the officials, they were the better team by far. I just would like to see some fairness. The fact that a nearly identical play involving the same Duck player was called targeting later in the game when it really didn't matter makes me think I might be right.

Glad Cougar

 

[BiggsCoug]

The thing that conspiracy theories miss is that everybody (EVERYBODY) has to be silent or they unravel. Most secrets can't survive two people knowing about them, and three people can almost never survive eventual exposure. A ref conspiracy on that sort of scale would require far more people than that. For that reason I don't believe that there is an organized conspiracy. Now, if instead you wanted to discuss massive incompetence (where the definition of incompetence includes the inability to be consistently correct), then we could have a conversation. Add in some rather arbitrary rules (targeting, for example) that are genuinely difficult to enforce in borderline situations, and you have created a scenario where there will always be questions. And for the record, I do believe that the smaller schools in the league do not get equivalent breaks, and the number of absolutely egregious missed calls falls disproportionately on the smaller schools. But you know...life is that way...and even though we try to avoid it, some is just going to happen. Get on a roll, be the hot team, and you remove some of that from the equation. I think Rolo has a shot at doing just that.

I dont think its a large number of people. I think its a lone wolf here and there. Over time it adds up.

Consider this... if Im trying to fix a game, Im not looking for high profile games that get a lot of eyes and scrutiny. Im looking for games where one of the two is rural, out of the way, usually an under dog, etc. Im looking for games with teams like WSU, Oregon State, Arizona, Iowa State, Purdue, Syracuse, NC State, Wake Forest, etc... A missed call here and there.... the timing of the call.... it doesnt have to be an upset win but it does have to beat the spread.... make it closer or a lil wider.... that wouldnt take a lot of refs or league officials to be involved... just one guy.

 

[kougkurt]

I don't believe in a conspiracy, but I do subscribe to the belief that the smaller schools don't get equivalent breaks. To me, there's a fine line between that reality and a "conspiracy" since I think it's a case of "when in doubt", the refs and conference officials are going to protect those teams that have a perceived better chance of making the conference some money. It's not unique to the Pac-12. I don't have a problem with the scheduling that took place this year which gave UO and USC the easiest road to an undefeated season in conference play. I do have a problem when judgment calls on the field seem egregiously lopsided in favor of those two schools. Whether it's the non-called pass interference penalty against Isaiah Myers a few years ago or the non-targeting last night in a critical part of the game, I do believe the Ducks get an advantage when they are among the conference's best.

Yes, we tend to remember the calls that went against us (who can forget the last 3 seconds of the 98 Rose Bowl?) but I'm willing to bet an objective analytical look over the years would show WSU gets the short end of the stick more often than not, maybe by far.

Ducks would've won last night's game regardless of the officials, they were the better team by far. I just would like to see some fairness. The fact that a nearly identical play involving the same Duck player was called targeting later in the game when it really didn't matter makes me think I might be right.

Glad Cougar

The Beavs are calling.

 

[BiggsCoug]

I don't believe in a conspiracy, but I do subscribe to the belief that the smaller schools don't get equivalent breaks. To me, there's a fine line between that reality and a "conspiracy" since I think it's a case of "when in doubt", the refs and conference officials are going to protect those teams that have a perceived better chance of making the conference some money. It's not unique to the Pac-12. I don't have a problem with the scheduling that took place this year which gave UO and USC the easiest road to an undefeated season in conference play. I do have a problem when judgment calls on the field seem egregiously lopsided in favor of those two schools. Whether it's the non-called pass interference penalty against Isaiah Myers a few years ago or the non-targeting last night in a critical part of the game, I do believe the Ducks get an advantage when they are among the conference's best.

Yes, we tend to remember the calls that went against us (who can forget the last 3 seconds of the 98 Rose Bowl?) but I'm willing to bet an objective analytical look over the years would show WSU gets the short end of the stick more often than not, maybe by far.

Ducks would've won last night's game regardless of the officials, they were the better team by far. I just would like to see some fairness. The fact that a nearly identical play involving the same Duck player was called targeting later in the game when it really didn't matter makes me think I might be right.

Glad Cougar

It made me think it was a make up call. The ducks may have been the better team last night and won anyways. It isnt about just winning to gamblers. Its about the point spread. Which if what I saw was right, was 10.5....

 

[WASH ST A&M FAN]

You're Wrong Biggs.......

The -10.5 spread is what the big time betters (Guys who you think had a hand in this) drove it up to over the course of a week. The Pros jumped on Oregon at -7.5 when the spreads came out back on Nov 7th. Only the public and suckers wait till kickoff to make a bet jacked up from -7.5 to 10.5. Guys that make the line move or in your theory are involved with refs were long gone when it hit this high of a number. If anything, the Pros would have bought back in on the Cougs at +10.5 and try to middle it since the juice was also in their favor.

An offense that got figured out by the Ducks in the second half and tired/poor tackling was the difference in this game. Not Gamblers.

 

[95coug]

I don't believe in a conspiracy, but I do subscribe to the belief that the smaller schools don't get equivalent breaks. To me, there's a fine line between that reality and a "conspiracy" since I think it's a case of "when in doubt", the refs and conference officials are going to protect those teams that have a perceived better chance of making the conference some money. It's not unique to the Pac-12. I don't have a problem with the scheduling that took place this year which gave UO and USC the easiest road to an undefeated season in conference play. I do have a problem when judgment calls on the field seem egregiously lopsided in favor of those two schools. Whether it's the non-called pass interference penalty against Isaiah Myers a few years ago or the non-targeting last night in a critical part of the game, I do believe the Ducks get an advantage when they are among the conference's best.

Yes, we tend to remember the calls that went against us (who can forget the last 3 seconds of the 98 Rose Bowl?) but I'm willing to bet an objective analytical look over the years would show WSU gets the short end of the stick more often than not, maybe by far.

Ducks would've won last night's game regardless of the officials, they were the better team by far. I just would like to see some fairness. The fact that a nearly identical play involving the same Duck player was called targeting later in the game when it really didn't matter makes me think I might be right.

Glad Cougar

The difference - and where it starts to edge toward conspiracy - is in the ref assignments and time slots. Anyone who thinks that WSU gets assigned the teams that grade out the best is delusional. We get the lower graded teams, and in the late time slots that limit the audience. The better graded teams go to USC in the prime time slots. That way, the bigger audience sees a reasonably officiated game.

That also reduces the number of people who have to be in on the con. Probably just the umpires on the best crews...and by putting booth reviews in the conference office, you only need a couple replay officials involved. they’re overseen by Woody, and he’s definitely in on it.

 

[dgibbons]

You're Wrong Biggs.......

The -10.5 spread is what the big time betters (Guys who you think had a hand in this) drove it up to over the course of a week. The Pros jumped on Oregon at -7.5 when the spreads came out back on Nov 7th. Only the public and suckers wait till kickoff to make a bet jacked up from -7.5 to 10.5. Guys that make the line move or in your theory are involved with refs were long gone when it hit this high of a number. If anything, the Pros would have bought back in on the Cougs at +10.5 and try to middle it since the juice was also in their favor.

An offense that got figured out by the Ducks in the second half and tired/poor tackling was the difference in this game. Not Gamblers.

And the decision to not kick the ball out of the endzone before half. PINK SLIPS. THIS DEFENSE IS GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN THE CONFERENCE. WHERE'S BORGHI? HE'S A PRO!

 

[etowncoug]

And the decision to not kick the ball out of the endzone before half. PINK SLIPS. THIS DEFENSE IS GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN THE CONFERENCE. WHERE'S BORGHI? HE'S A PRO!

BORGHI NEEDS 150 ypg or the NFL WONT PICK HIM.