And if they were playing "college RECRUITING", you'd have a valid point.
Since the on field results are what actually matters, though, THREE years, one bowl. As good as the best coaches we've ever had, well above the worst.
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Since the on field results are what actually matters, though, THREE years, one bowl. As good as the best coaches we've ever had, well above the worst.
Says the clown who showed up with knee pads the day Leach was hired to proclaim him the best coach in Cougar history... while denigrating the Coach who is.
Obviously, thong, you are either a liar or you hate money.
$10,000 cash to you if you're right. $10,000 to me when you are proven wrong...
Now, offer me the SAME deal. I want another vacation... only free this time!
You're already down 10K on the Rodgers thing, then. Because it was proven you lied about that. Really, once it's proven that you'll lie for the sole purpose of making the current coach look bad, who's to say where you'll draw the line about what you make up?
The Leach hire got me to care about Cougar football again, after 2010 I was (really 2009) I was done. Mike Price was a good coach. If you read what I wrote earlier I said he was a good coach, but he had plenty of missteps. When I bring up Price its to remind people what our best coach went through...how he wasn't perfect, but what to look for in a headman that can get the job done.
Leach fits the mold. If you want to cry about 3 win seasons.. Mike Price had 4 of them. That's not denigrating him. That's the truth.
He also had 2 - 4 win seasons.
Mike Price...as great as he was... had 8 losing seasons out of 14 years. That's the truth. So if it was okay for him to win only 3 games 4 times...it's perfectly fine for leach to do it twice.
Price won 6 games as his high point the first 3 years. So did Leach.
Price's low point was 3 wins the first 3 years. So was Leach.
As a fan I've seen some crap football the last decade, but when we have someone who can bring us back.. I want people to know what to look for... so we don't get suckered like what happened with Wulff. So we don't have a decay like Doba.
We lucked out getting Leach. He's exactly the kind of coach a program likes ours needs. It's not easy for programs on the outskirts and shadows of big programs to get good coaches. Leach was able to make Texas Tech a threat, and he'll do it for us.
Art Briles at Baylor is a good example (however they are in Texas where there is tons of talent), but it wasn't easy for him. He went 4-8 the first two years and 7-6. So 1 bowl game. two losing seasons. It's a similar story, although like I said they are in Texas where talent is all around them. We have to go to California to recruit against California schools and the Arizona schools. Yet we've beaten Arizona and USC.
If we are going to be a good program we have to look for the signs of a turn around, and Leach is bringing them, and if people know our history. Then they know what to look for too.
We screwed up letting Price go, but how would we outbid bama? Still letting him go was a huge mistake. We paid dearly for it, and now it's all about getting better.
The only vacation you deserve is one with a padded cell. Seriously get some mental health you faker, but come on here all you want every second of your life I waste is a victory keeping your mentally ill self contained here for my amusement.
Well, since Leach was hired in December of 2011, it's been less than four years. I think you owe someone some money.
For those that weren't around, this was the best fib of HereWeGoCougs ever on these boards.
Personally, I HAVE ZERO INTEREST.
But it would be the MOST INTERESTING THING EVER if you guys mentioned it, then I jumped in to take over all discussion, while maintaining my ZERO INTEREST.
HereWeGoCougs suggested that the PLU Legend Frosty Westering turned down the UW Coaching job multiple times. I pointed out how much of a stretch that was when looking at the dynamics.
1) 1957 UW asked a coach in his late 20's at Albert Lea College with a .520 record & Frosty declined
2) UW was going to fire a Bear Bryant endorsed coach that took them to 4 Rose Bowls for Frosty
3) At some point into Don James' 17yr career, UW was to fire James and hire Frosty
4) In 1993 UW asked a 64yr old NAIA/D3 Coach to take over for James
1) 1957 UW asked a coach in his late 20's at Albert Lea College with a .520 record & Frosty declined
2) UW was going to fire a Bear Bryant endorsed coach that took them to 4 Rose Bowls for Frosty
3) At some point into Don James' 17yr career, UW was to fire James and hire Frosty
4) In 1993 UW asked a 64yr old NAIA/D3 Coach to take over for James
But Matt E did. And Ansel Clevel, Bluhm, Joseph. Kerry Maddox. Got it.
Yes. The article above proves that. Maybe if you read info before jumping to a side, you wouldn't, say, spend four pages denying lies about our current coach with stuff like "maybe his fifth grade daughter just REALLY LIKES Beau Baldwin, maybe, right?"
I will answered it. Tell me this How, you have a guy who took over a top four team, and the next three years he was sub .500, and year three was by far his worse year. Good coach or bad? Do you fire him? Why or why not.
Is Pete Carroll a good coach or bad coach? He got canned by two NFL teams. Can he or can he not coach?
Article proves that Wulff shit the bed getting kids who wanted to be at WSU more than anything. That's pretty bad. Wulff, clearly, was more interested in guys who'd quit, and take up boxing.
You were really on it with this defense- keep jumping in to defend what's clearly lies, though. Not like it can lower your credibility.
WSU and their previous coaching staffs. I said the biggest benefit of hiring Leach in 2011 was that he will instantly add credibility to the program and get ready made lineman in the program. More than QB, WR, RB, LB. His national name is instant, where as Price had to grow into a reputation.
You are a numbers guy. There are several years I am missing, but it will give you a flavor of the last 20 years or so. Dennis' class of 1989. Three Olineman, two played. Mike Price and his first go in 1990. One HS lineman, three other players who were converted, and one was Paul Reed who came in at 230 pounds as a linebacker. The one HS lineman never played. 1991- I believe they had three, one never played, and Scukanek I can't remember if he was a walkon on or not. But I put him down as one of the three. 1992- Seven signed, three JC, one JC played, one high school kid played. 2/7 kids played. 1993. They signed three, two played. 1994 5 HS lineman, one dlineman, a total of six. Two played. 1995 I think they signed two and one played. 1997 three JC players signed, one played. 1998 five signed, four played, one of the four was moved to DT I believe. 1999 was the year. Parrish, Knotts etc. It took Mike Price nine years to get the depth and quality plus the benefits of the rose Bowl. To that date, in nine years he had Scott Sanderson and McEndoo who were drafted into the NFL, and Corey Withrow was a free agent. In four years Paul Wulff recruited two players who were drafted, and one who got paid last year in the NFL as a free agent signee.
In 2002 they signed two OLineman, one played. In 2003 they signed four, two JC players, two high school players. One JC played sparingly and Byrd played. 2-4, one made it four years into the program. 04 Three players, Roof was booted, Rowlands quit before his senior year and Vickers never played. 05 they signed 3, 1 played. Eppelle played a little. 06 they signed three high school players, one played. 07 they signed four, two JC players, one who played. Roxas played, Ayers and Freitag had their careers cut way short. One player made it to years three and four. 08- five lineman were taken, Pencer was booted, Reitnour had a career ending injury, Hodson was a bust, Williams played and was drafted. 09 two players, two busts. 10 -Fullington, Gonzales, Rodger and Jacobson. Four lineman taken, one drafted after transferring to Eastern, Gonzales made it into the 49 camp but was cut, one got paid in the NFL in 2014, and Jacobson started for Leach. Four out of 4. 2011 They signed four, Forbes athletic but never got it. Meighan a smart back up but not a Pac 12 starter. Taise never made it in and Goetz, who was a Texas Tech recruit for Leach and started. One out of four. In 2012 they had five kids verbally committed, Leach dropped one and picked up another kid.
When people say they don't have an emphasis on oline, I think the number of visits from olineman in the Wulff years was higher than it was for Oregon, Stanford, UW, and USC.
But the numbers show a history of WSU struggling at that position.
So the Pac-12 "talents" Wulff had to have before Dahl included Meighen, Taiese, and Goetz?
Man, did that guy have the magic eye or what?
Ed...please. Has Bone been snatched up by another school or professional team to he a head coach because they know he is actually an excellent basketball coach and just ran into a short and difficult dry spell at WSU? Is that what we can expect in the coming months/years? Some AD or NBA organization will realize that WSU was wrong and he is in fact a star coach and no one else has figured that out yet?
Oh we aren't talking abut Dahl? I thought you were challenging him on Wulff offering Dahl.
Actually no...but really does it matter the other two guys that switched late went to UW/CU and UCLA?
You should read things.
No, I'm saying Wulff did a lousy job recruiting him- his "too late, and- since we don't wanna lose our innocence- too little" offer as a kid goes to a Big Sky school, rather than his PXII dream school, makes that point more clearly than anything. You're looking for the argument you want, not the one I'm making.
So, if Utah's running back gets drafted is he going to do into the esteemed list of Wulff recruits that went on to the NFL? Just curious.
So if Leach left WSU and wasn't picked up, does that mean he isn't a good coach? Bone because of his age won't get a head job at a larger school. He might become a coach at Montana type school. Talk to the people who coach and ask them what they think about Bone.
But what about the coach who took over a team that was in the top 4 and ran it into the ground with three straight sub .500 seasons, and the third season the worse of them. Three seasons, three losing seasons. Is that guy the "right" or "wrong guy"?
A little, since they DIDN'T come here, and we STILL couldn't land Dahl.
Nembot, and who jumped to UCLA?
Ah, got it. That seems simple. OSU is struggling with olineman. Why didn't they recruit him? UW? Oregon? What about CSU? Colorado? Surely Wyoming would have offered. I mean 6 5 240 pounds just reeks of being close to Pac 12 ready.
Why would you bring Taylor M into the discussion?
You just admitted you are a bandwagon fan. Go cheer for the Huskies. We don't need bandwagon fans like you.
Oh yeah, Wulff was always about PXII ready. Mr. "If other schools are recruiting you for DE, you'll be my starting DT!" was SUPER concerned about that.
Are you seriously asking me why, in a discussion about 1 2011 OL recruit, why I would bring up another 2011 OL recruit?
