yeah, "political correctness" seems to get thrown around anytime someone expresses outrage at something. sometimes the things that draw our outrage are actually outrageous...
Helfrich fired at Oregon
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Why would McElwain leave UF for Oregon? Unless Oregon really opened up the coffers for him (he's making $4.25M at UF), it really doesn't seem like a move up for him. I don't know much about the system he runs, but would it be a fit stylistically?
How about just skip the middle step there, and hire Holgersen? Only making $2.9M and Oregon would certainly be a step up from WVU.
Pretty small sample to make that statement. You're talking about, what, 2 years?
What I'm saying is that when you look at the high school QB's from the 2012, 2013 and 2014 and 2015 classes.....they haven't had a single guy who didn't suck at his job.
Little early to write off the '14 & '15 commits, especially considering Herbert played pretty well this year.
As weird as this will sound, I think he feels under-appreciated there. Plus he's from Montana, QB at EWU and coached at CSU.
Holgersen would be a very good hire at Oregon too, IMO.
I don't see anyone leaving UF, smack dab in the middle of everything, for UO smack dab in the middle of nothing. Unless UO wanted to pay north or $6M or so. But for that price there are guys lined up to take the UF job, some that are better than JM.
McElwain is a west coast guy. He might want out of the SEC grind, where it sucks to be anyone other than Nick Saban. Agree that it's kind of a lateral move, even if he's getting $10 million from Uncle Phil.
As much as I dislike Oregon, I can see why it would be appealing to coach there. And personally, for me anyway, I'd much rather live in Eugene than Florida.
Oregon got talent on paper, but man did they look pathetic on the field. There appears to be serious strength and conditioning issues. Lots of guys were limping off the field against us. I imagine it was the same every week. OL recruiting was iffy too.
You are right, of course. My point was that those upset by sometimes trivial issues, appearances for example, are unlikely to be happy with someone who has a history of more substantial misbehavior. Poor wording on my part.
I don't agree that UF and UO are comparable jobs equaling a lateral move.
West Coast guy or not, why would you leave UF for the disaster that is Oregon?
Well, $10 million from Uncle Phil might be a reason for some guys.
And like I said, not coaching in the same conference as Nick Saban may be a welcome change.
$10M is a reason for some guys. But if their school really wants them, they'll find a way to come up with the money. No one is gonna pay a guy like Fleck $10M. So you're talking about an established coach at an established program. If you offer a guy like Saban $10M Alabama fans will pass the hat around the conference championship game and either match or better your offer.
If you wanna win titles you're gonna go thru Saban more often then not. You can't escape him.
But meeting Saban in the playoff (or being on the opposite side of the bracket) would be preferable to meeting him in a conference game or conference championship game. Urban Meyer quit. Richt got fired last year. Miles got fired this year. Those three guys are pretty damn good coaches.
It's going to be tough to win conference titles with Saban around, but I think it probably will be easier most years to win the SEC East at Florida than it would be to win the Pac-12 North at Oregon, especially going forward with UW (unfortunately) looking like a legitimate national power again, Stanford hanging in there as long as Shaw is around, and WSU looking like it can be a player in some years. Even OS looks like it's on the upswing and will be a tougher out in future years.
Also, from a recruiting perspective, I think what Biggs was getting at but didn't say explicitly is that you can almost just recruit in the state of Florida itself, even if you're just getting FSU's leftovers (not that Florida will), and you get more talent than Oregon can scrape together in California, Texas, and the paucity of legit prospects in Oregon that they can try to hang onto. That's huge. He brought in a top 10 class last year and the primary recruiters probably rarely had to leave Florida, and likely never had to fly west of Texas at the very worst (admittedly, I haven't checked).
I think the days of Oregon coming in and stealing many of the best players in Washington and other surrounding states likely are gone. Yes, they have great facilities, but it's no longer a case of them driving a Ferrari and everyone else having an Acura (or in the old days of WSU, a Ford Escort). Theirs still are the most cutting-edge, but many schools now have pretty cool uniforms, excellent facilities, and so on.
Sure, if they want to pay McElwain $6.5m or something dumb like that, he might go for it, and maybe he hates Florida and the SEC grind, but I just don't see it for either side.
Maybe this has already been addressed (I may have missed it in the long thread) but isn't Les Miles to Oregon a pretty plausible scenario?
Kind of doubt it. Miles has never been on the west coast, and Oregon's last three head coaches were all known for offense. At his age (63), he might go into the media and stay there.
I mentioned UCLA about a month ago as somewhere I could see. But someone else made the counter argument that a place like ASU would be really scary if he went there - I would have to agree.
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Sorry son, I have better things to do with my time than hang out on rival teams message boards. But hey, knock yourself out...
Sorry son, I have better things to do with my time than hang out on rival teams message boards. But hey, knock yourself out...
My first initial though early on was they would go after was Lane Kiffin. I think he'll get another shot at a HC job.
Couple of things on the Oregon coaching situation:
1) The hubris of some of the admin and fans is downright comical, if not offensive. They truly think that they have arrived and can fire a coach for a down year so "they can set expectations." They believe that they are right up there with the Bama's, UM's, tOSU's of the world as far as being a destination school.
2) East coast guys generally stick to the east and don't come out west. Most of the west coast coaches spent time out here sometime in their lives.(of course there are exceptions, but I said generally.)
3) Eugene is not a destination, and from the list of available coaches it is still a stepping stone school for many of them. It may be the last stone before taking a perennial powerhouse job, but still a stepping stone.
4) Referring back to the coaches available, the timing of the firing is interesting to say the least. If you truly consider yourself a destination, why fire your coach when the only talent available is B+ or worse? And they'll probably pay premium money for that talent too.
1) The hubris of some of the admin and fans is downright comical, if not offensive. They truly think that they have arrived and can fire a coach for a down year so "they can set expectations." They believe that they are right up there with the Bama's, UM's, tOSU's of the world as far as being a destination school.
2) East coast guys generally stick to the east and don't come out west. Most of the west coast coaches spent time out here sometime in their lives.(of course there are exceptions, but I said generally.)
3) Eugene is not a destination, and from the list of available coaches it is still a stepping stone school for many of them. It may be the last stone before taking a perennial powerhouse job, but still a stepping stone.
4) Referring back to the coaches available, the timing of the firing is interesting to say the least. If you truly consider yourself a destination, why fire your coach when the only talent available is B+ or worse? And they'll probably pay premium money for that talent too.
Some may be writing Oregon off, but I suspect we'll see a quick turnaround. If you've talked to high school football prospects, the Oregon/Nike allure is still very, very strong.
That would be hilarious. And it would insure the health & profitability of all the message boards for years to come.....
The guy is young and has smarts, otherwise he wouldn't be working for Saban. You act like he has no potential or ability to learn from his mistakes?
Agree with most with the only thing I'd take exception to, is your point #3. And you might be able to clarify. From what I understand, Oregon has/HAD one of the longest tenured assistant coaches in NCAA history. There's assistants that have been there for over 30 years. One for 24 years. So, one of the things Oregon has done has actually made sure it wasn't a stepping stone. At least from what I understand.
I agree with you, but on the other hand, (as UW has learned over the past 25 years), you can also get caught in a coaching riptide if you're not careful; particularly when you're so accustomed to hiring from within your program.
I think Oregon made the correct decision in firing Helfrich, as he wasn't going to be able to save his job next season. Who is Oregon a lock to leapfrog next season? UW? No. Stanford? No. WSU? Possibly, but we return 15 starters. Oregon State? Again, maybe. Cal? Possibly.
The question now is, how patient will Oregon be with their next hire? How many years does he get to overtake Peterson? It's a slippery slope. Now teams like WSU, Colorado, Utah, etc. are recruiting at a level *almost* even with the Ducks.
since they were scholarship players and herbert a walkon, it could be write off time, and was for Helferich
Whether he's a good OC or not is not the issue, though, is it? In his only attempt at a HC gig, he failed, not only on the field, but off. He constantly alienated players, coaches, and large segments of the fan base. Why don't you float the idea of kiffin as a HC on the Trojan sites? I'm sure they would find it uproariously funny. He's reached his ceiling
The Oregon AD has to think the cupboards aren't bare. Oregon needs a grinder, tough guy, leader to keep the kids pushing. The Brazilian hardwood floors, $30,000 lockers with the latest video games installed... too easy for kids to feel like they've arrived and not just begun.
Yep, nobody that has ever struggled in their first go at something has learned from their mistakes and gone on to be successful at it
Who has used Oregon as a stepping stone job? I mean, I guess Brooks & Kelly left for the NFL, but I wouldn't call that a "stepping stone", and Brooks was there 17 years.
I don't think Oregon has ever had a coach leave for a "bigger" college job.
You act as if kiffin's blunders were mere tweaks some degree or two off-center. Nope. These were fundamental flaws that come from deep-seated issues within him. His changing his ways is more akin to the rhetorical question "Can the leopard change its spots" level. Kiffin is kiffin. If he took 5 years off, journeyed to Tibet, etc., then came back with a profound narrative, I might listen. But he didn't. Under a heavy-handed controller like Saban, kiffin was kept in check. But as the HC, his absurdities would once again be on display for the world to mock....I'd love to see him with Uncle Phil's flying circus....match made in heaven
He learned from Pete Carroll it's better to ride out of town before the sheriff shows up then to wait for the cuffs to be put on...
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