Hoops: now 5-5 in the WCC, with a loss to 7-17 Pacific....

[ttowncoug]

The Jim Sterk era has officially returned to WSU athletics with McCoy at the helm. No way to sugar coat it.

We spend a decent amount on athletics and are competing with mid-tier WCC teams.

This is NOT acceptable and has NOTHING to do with NIL or how much we give to WSU.

We have a culture of mediocrity and it starts at the top.

 

[dgibbons]

The Jim Sterk era has officially returned to WSU athletics with McCoy at the helm. No way to sugar coat it.

We spend a decent amount on athletics and are competing with mid-tier WCC teams.

This is NOT acceptable and has NOTHING to do with NIL or how much we give to WSU.

We have a culture of mediocrity and it starts at the top.

Proposing a solution or just blowing off steam?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

The Jim Sterk era has officially returned to WSU athletics with McCoy at the helm. No way to sugar coat it.

We spend a decent amount on athletics and are competing with mid-tier WCC teams.

This is NOT acceptable and has NOTHING to do with NIL or how much we give to WSU.

We have a culture of mediocrity and it starts at the top.

I think it's irresponsible to beat up on an AD who hasn't had any time to make an impact....but David Riley is failing as a head coach right now. 0-2 against the worst team in the WCC is unacceptable.

 

[Wazzubrooz]

Let’s not lose all objectivity. The team has dealt with significant injury issues and had they stayed healthy things would look a whole lot different.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Let’s not lose all objectivity. The team has dealt with significant injury issues and had they stayed healthy things would look a whole lot different.

The overall record is fine.....0-2 vs Pacific isn't.

 

[Coug90]

Let’s not lose all objectivity. The team has dealt with significant injury issues and had they stayed healthy things would look a whole lot different.

wtf is up with the turnovers? Im no basketball expert but if you turn it over the equivalent in football every game, the coach is a fuggin idiot.

Riley gotta get that shit fixed yesterday.

 

[BiggsCoug]

The Jim Sterk era has officially returned to WSU athletics with McCoy at the helm. No way to sugar coat it.

We spend a decent amount on athletics and are competing with mid-tier WCC teams.

This is NOT acceptable and has NOTHING to do with NIL or how much we give to WSU.

We have a culture of mediocrity and it starts at the top.

Preach!!!

 

[BiggsCoug]

Let’s not lose all objectivity. The team has dealt with significant injury issues and had they stayed healthy things would look a whole lot different.

More excuses don’t make things better.

 

[SaveFerris]

More excuses don’t make things better.

Losing a 3rd of your roster is an excuse?

 

[WillieThePimp]

Losing a 3rd of your roster is an excuse?

some posters here have lost all grip on reality. One of them in particular probably never had it.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Losing a 3rd of your roster is an excuse?

Not having a line in the sand of what is acceptable and what isnt is a prob. Too many excuses is what losing and losers are made of. What is the least you are willing to accept?

 

[Coug90]

Not having a line in the sand of what is acceptable and what isnt is a prob. Too many excuses is what losing and losers are made of. What is the least you are willing to accept?

I get my definition of losers from 1. Guys who live in a van down by the river and 2. Middle aged dudes who peaked in high school and work on Saturdays. In that order.

 

[ttowncoug]

Proposing a solution or just blowing off steam?

I wouldn't have hired McCoy. I never liked the hire.

Fair or now fair, we are a middle of the road West Coast Conference athletic program. It's not blowing off steam to say this is not acceptable based on the belief we are a "power 4" level program.

The solution is not to accept mediocrity as a fan base.

 

[BiggsCoug]

I wouldn't have hired McCoy. I never liked the hire.

Fair or now fair, we are a middle of the road West Coast Conference athletic program. It's not blowing off steam to say this is not acceptable based on the belief we are a "power 4" level program.

The solution is not to accept mediocrity as a fan base.

Too many WSU “fans” embrace excuses… As Jon Taffer would say… Excuses keep average to bad employees employed.

 

[SaveFerris]

Too many WSU “fans” embrace excuses… As Jon Taffer would say… Excuses keep average to bad employees employed.

Taffer works on businesses with a long record of "bad employees" established. We have less than 1 season with Riley and a lineup and rotation that was wrecked in December. There are issues Riley needs to address, but not enough data to suggest Riley is a bad employee.

There's more WSU "fans" that overreact given the available information than embrace excuses.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I wouldn't have hired McCoy. I never liked the hire.

Fair or now fair, we are a middle of the road West Coast Conference athletic program. It's not blowing off steam to say this is not acceptable based on the belief we are a "power 4" level program.

The solution is not to accept mediocrity as a fan base.

Well said, and it is heartening that some of you are coming around to what the Mighty but Patient and Forgiving Loyal One has preached from Day 1. McCoy's promotion was a big mistake. Teresa Gould's promotion was a big mistake. Soon to follow, you all's realization that not doing the reverse merger was a big mistake. We now have two conferences (actually only one, the Pac doesn't have one yet), both of which are and will be weaker than what we would have had in a merger scenario.

As far as being P4 level? We aren't. Never really were, but we benefitted by our Pac affiliation. But all this spew about how WSU was going to invest at a P4 level was just that. Lies really.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Taffer works on businesses with a long record of "bad employees" established. We have less than 1 season with Riley and a lineup and rotation that was wrecked in December. There are issues Riley needs to address, but not enough data to suggest Riley is a bad employee.

There's more WSU "fans" that overreact given the available information than embrace excuses.

Ok. So what is the least you are willing to accept?

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Ok. So what is the least you are willing to accept?

You. That's all I have to say about that

 

[SaveFerris]

Ok. So what is the least you are willing to accept?

Competitiveness and progress. That's not a rigid line in the sand in terms of wins & losses. To me it's more fluid. It's also different depending on the coach. A 1 game or season result under a coach like Leach or Dick Bennett wouldn't necessarily mean the same as it would for Rolovich or Dickert let alone Paul Graham or Ernie Kent.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Competitiveness and progress. That's not a rigid line in the sand in terms of wins & losses. To me it's more fluid. It's also different depending on the coach. A 1 game or season result under a coach like Leach or Dick Bennett wouldn't necessarily mean the same as it would for Rolovich or Dickert let alone Paul Graham or Ernie Kent.

So if the team is not competitive or progressing that is the line in the sand?

 

[95coug]

I wouldn't have hired McCoy. I never liked the hire.

Fair or now fair, we are a middle of the road West Coast Conference athletic program. It's not blowing off steam to say this is not acceptable based on the belief we are a "power 4" level program.

The solution is not to accept mediocrity as a fan base.

We’re not a P4 level program. We were barely hanging on as P5 before. We’ve cut spending and lost any momentum we may have had, we’ve squandered opportunities and cash, took too long to make decisions and then made the wrong ones. Our administration has made the choice to say we’re P4, but not act like it.

 

[SaveFerris]

So if the team is not competitive or progressing that is the line in the sand?

Answered

 

[BiggsCoug]

Answered

What would you call losing to 7-17 Pacific?

 

[SaveFerris]

What would you call losing to 7-17 Pacific?

1 of 23 data points

 

[BiggsCoug]

1 of 23 data points

Too many data points.

 

[UberCougars]

Not having a line in the sand of what is acceptable and what isnt is a prob. Too many excuses is what losing and losers are made of. What is the least you are willing to accept?

WhAAAAAAA😭

 

[SaveFerris]

Too many data points.

Why? That is the data set.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Why? That is the data set.

I think there is a point where you are just collecting and collecting and collecting data and it’s overkill. The program is either competently coached or it isn’t. Regardless of the injuries or talent level. Too many data points is hiding from making a decision.

 

[SaveFerris]

I think there is a point where you are just collecting and collecting and collecting data and it’s overkill. The program is either competently coached or it isn’t. Regardless of the injuries or talent level. Too many data points is hiding from making a decision.

I'm not sure even Leach would have made it past game 1 under that criteria. For Riley, 23 isn't even 1 season but ok.