HS prep PG signed

[ElComanche]

Kent -Brand X signed a 5'10 HS prep PG out of San Francisco averaged 22pts and 5 assts. Now for that Big man. There i just changed it . Thanks for the assist 1990!1

This post was edited on 6/1 2:26 PM by ElComanche

 

[Coug1990]

Re: Juco PG signed

Originally posted by ElComanche:
Kent -Brand X signed a 5'10 Juco PG out of San Francisco CC averaged 22pts and 5 assts. Now for that Big man

He attended St. Ignatious Prep. He did not come from a JC.

 

[ElComanche]

Re: Juco PG signed

Trevor Dunbar. he is an extremely quick PG with great ball handling ability. I just watched a video on this kid. He is rated a 2 star like Chauca. However he is quicker and drives very well and has a great mid range game. He does not seem to have the long range ability of Chauca but has better ball handling ability . If Kent can teach him to play team ball when he is not handling the ball,the cougs have a good one. His first step and quickness are extremely good. The fans and teammates will like this guy.He also is known for his defensive prowess and averaged 3 stls per game. Now all Kent needs is another big man and excitement and winning are back for coug basketball. Coug 1990 is correct he comes from a prep school and is known as a friendly person and a good student. Kent got a good one

This post was edited on 6/1 2:19 PM by ElComanche

 

[Coug1990]

Re: Juco PG signed

If a player has one outstanding skill, they can play and play well. Chauca could shoot from long range and I am guessing that is why Kent valued him over Dunbar.

It will be interesting to watch the two players match up the next four years.

 

[ElComanche]

I may be wrong but i think that Chauca transfers after one or two years. I do not think that he will enjoy playing Cuonzo Martin's style of ball. I have also noticed that Martin has targeted 4 bigger PGs for next year. A smaller guard wil always find a place in Kent's system not so much with Martin.Anyway, i am happy with the guards that Kent has signed and Dunbar's first step is excellent . I actually like Dunbar's game better and i would have chosen him over Chuaca if given the choice. I believe that the cougs got the better end of the deal in the long run. Kent's contacts are paying off. In Redding and Dunbar,Kent has signed two PGs better than anyone the cougs had last year at the PG position.

 

[7ICoug]

Re:Frosh 2014 PG signed

He is a High School player not a Juco. 4 full years.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Originally posted by ElComanche:
Kent -Brand X signed a 5'10 HS prep PG out of San Francisco averaged 22pts and 5 assts. Now for that Big man. There i just changed it . Thanks for the assist 1990!1

This post was edited on 6/1 2:26 PM by ElComanche

We beat out Cal Poly and Montana State for this guy!

Oh...and "others". Whatever that means.

 

[Glad Cougar]

According to sources, Dunbar had offers from Cal Poly, Cal Fullerton, Cal Northridge, Fairfield, Florida A&M, Miami OH, Montana State, and San Diego. I remain skeptical that Kent can recruit against the rest of the Pac-12 on a consistently successful basis....but will be willing to see how it goes, especially once he has a full year to recruit.

Glad Cougar

 

[ElComanche]

If this kid was not highly recruited ,it was because of his size. He will hold his own against PAC 12 competition. Kent's system will allow a smaller player to flourish. He and Redding are legitimate PAC 12 players for different reasons.. Dunbar's first step and strength will allow him to penetrate against the bigger PAC 12 PG's He has excellent ball handling skills and evidently has greatly improved his outside shot. There is a reason that some coaches are fired in that a big percentage just do not know what the hell they are doing. A successful coach will be able to evaluate talent and recruit it. The worse scenario is like what happened last year when a poor coach tried to use players with out PG skills to play that position.Kent realized this and recruited guards with point guard skills.

 

[ElComanche]

Double post.

This post was edited on 6/1 5:40 PM by ElComanche

 

[jourdand]

If Ken Bone signed this kid some of you would be mad about signing another big sky player!

 

[ElComanche]

I do not think so. I watched his videotapes and think that he is a very good recruit. I watched videos of players that Bone recruited and was astounded that they were given scholarships. There are many players who are not highly recruited and succeed. The good coaches can pick them out. Of course they have to regularly compete for the higher rqnked players and Kent has to do that next year, Dunbar was being closely looked at by Maryland and St Johns but they probably backed off due to his size. Kent did not and will benefit for offering this kid a scholarship.

 

[SaveFerris]

I definitely wonder why he didn't receiver more interest although it appears programs were looking late. I would have concerns if Kent had been around for 5 years and this was the fall. Year 1 in the spring and trying to sign 5 Pac 12 quality players is tough.

Looks like a solid player although I don't think he will be able to get away with some of the things you see in his tape. I am glad to see another PG in the fold to go with Redding. We will see what they do with the last spot.

 

[jourdand]

This kid visited while Bone was still coach. I agree this kid looks pretty solid on tape and at this point in the game you have to take a few more chances. I think Kent will be shooting a little higher after he gets his feet wet. Dominic Ballard has at least a similar pedigree to Dunbar.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Originally posted by SaveFerris:
I definitely wonder why he didn't receiver more interest although it appears programs were looking late. I would have concerns if Kent had been around for 5 years and this was the fall. Year 1 in the spring and trying to sign 5 Pac 12 quality players is tough.

Looks like a solid player although I don't think he will be able to get away with some of the things you see in his tape. I am glad to see another PG in the fold to go with Redding. We will see what they do with the last spot.

Agree....I would be concerned if Kent was not getting a higher rated player if he was not just getting out of the gate.

We'll see how EK does next class.

 

[ElComanche]

I agree all HS basketball players have to adjust as the college game is faster,quicker and definitely more physical. However his quickness and strength will help him make the adjustment.He is in the right system to make it at the D 1 level.It is amazing that he was still available despite his size .I am still hoping for another big man who can rebound and play defense.The cougs may surprise some people next year.

 

[Cougar Jon]

Maybe he didn't get much hype because of competition in his hs league or he didn't do great during aau? A lot of the players he seemed to be playing against in his senior video didn't look up to caliber, does anyone know how big the schools are his team's playing against or how good they are? He's definitely quick but from two videos I watched, he goes to his left pretty much every time while driving, if he's switching over to his right or he goes to the right it was for a crossover step back jumper. I guess we'll find out if he's able to get past pac-12 defenses like Aaron Brooks was able to with Ken'ts offense with his quickness.

 

[SaveFerris]

Originally posted by ElComanche:
I agree all HS basketball players have to adjust as the college game is faster,quicker and definitely more physical. However his quickness and strength will help him make the adjustment.He is in the right system to make it at the D 1 level.It is amazing that he was still available despite his size .I am still hoping for another big man who can rebound and play defense.The cougs may surprise some people next year.

There's always a reason and usually it means risk. PGs from San Francisco that look talented and no grade issues usually get a bit more action in the spring.

Fun player to watch and hopefully "fit" works in our favor here.

 

[ElComanche]

Dunbar ran the point for the Oakland raiders,one of the better AAU teams. i do not know the caliber of basketball in Northern California.He supposedly fared very well against the bigger PG's from that area. I agree on him having to be able to go right as easily as he can go left. He will have to improve his game. Supposedly he worked hard to improve his outside shot and did so. So one would assume that he is a hard worker and willing to put in the time to improve. I think that he will do well. It is a shock for HS kids when they realize that the better players are very quick, fast, and talented at the collegiate level One has to work on individual skills as well as their understanding of the college game of basketball..The HS players with skill, heart and who put in the hard work will be successful.

 

[mikalalas]

Breakdown, facts, info, etc, summary on Trevor Dunbar:

Scored game high of 40. WCAL, CCS player of the year. Lead candidate in the running to be named San Fransisco Chronicle Metro player of the year. Named to the All State team, CCS all league, WCAL all league. Played, held his own, did ok, good, etc, vs Tyler Ulis(Kentucky Recruit(clone of Trevor Dunbar), in the Ball is life AA all american game. Future150.com had, has him rated #82 out of top 150. He Dominated at YAYAREASFINEST SUPER 100.
He is comparable to Jahmel Taylor, Dominic Artis, Tyler Ulis(all 3,4,5 star, top end 3 star, to low end 4 star, to low end 5 star(at extreme best), talent,stars, players)(all 3 are pretty much clones of each other in size, speed, quickness, athleticism,ball handling, shiftyness, ability to break ankles of those guarding them at will, passing, assist,shooting,game,etc).Played for the oakland soldiers a top 3 AAU team in all of CA, and top 5 AAU team in all of Western USA. Strong, chiseled, 2% body fat(just joking on that 1,but wouldnt be suprised if it was true despite joking in saying that), works hard, has good attitude, good student, nice person, son of a coach, eat, drinks, sleeps, lives, basketball.

Sources: I have googled his named, read all the links on,about him, and watched all his videos. I first heard, learned about him, about 2 years ago.

So looking at the above, what happened, why isnt,wasnt he rated higher by the big recruiting services, why didnt he have more offers?

Answer:

Back about 2 years ago Trevor Dunbar was rated a 4, 5 star recruit, by a lot of recruit services, blogs, etc, along with Marcus LoVett(another 4,5 star, at the time.And those who didnt have rated, and those who had him rated low, had him projected as a 4,5 star recruit, back then. He was so hyped, had a lot of fanfare, etc, by almost everyone.

Then he didnt gain the ability to leap out of the gym, and didnt grow to be 6'1",6'2",6'3",etc, tall, like everyone projected for him. If he had gained the ability to leap out if the gym high jumping ability, and if he had, grown taller, while, all the while, still retaining, the skills,ability, talent, speed, quickness, athleticism,etc, he has now, there is no doubt that he would have ended up being at least a 4 star recruit.

The other thing that happened, was that Isabell, ahmaad rorie, and duke, kentucky, kansas, north carolina, arizona, ucla,etc, level recruits, were beating him. When that started happening, combined with not growing taller, lack of jumping ability, etc, thats what got him downgraded.

But they overcorrected. He went from severely overated, to severely underrated.

So where should he be rated now? He is, or should be top 3 star, lowest end 4 star. He is way the hell better then Chauca. He will ONLY struggle against the Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, Arizona, UCLA, Isabell, Ahmaad Rorie,etc, top talent.Everybody else, he will either be equal to, or better, or will dominate them.

And by the time he is done at WSU, after 4 years, he will probably be a top end 4 star, to lowest end 5 star player that would probably go anywhere from last pick of 1st round of draft, to last pick of 2nd round of draft, to signed, or unsigned, undrafted free agent, to playing in europe. In that respect, he will probably be like casto, low, weaver,other cougs,etc, who have played in Europe.

I dont consider him a possible future NBA prospect, because he is to short, cant jump high enough, but if I had to compare him to what NBA players, had similar games, style, speed, quickness,etc, I would compare him to Dana Barros, and Avery Johnson, Spud Webb,etc.

He is also comparable to Dominic Ellison, He is probably either slightly, just barely, not as good, or equal to, or sligjtly, just barely by skin of teeth better than Dominic Ellison was when he came out of highschool, on paper.

 

[mikalalas]

Also back when Trevor Dunbar was overhyped, overrated, and before Isabell was named as a possible recruit,prospect for wsu, I thought it would be nice if wsu were able to get Trevor Dunbar. But I didnt think wsu under Bone, had a chance in hell of getting him. I thought that he would go to Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina, Arizona, UCLA, UNLV, BYU, Gonzaga, UW, CAL, etc.

Even though he didnt haveva big time offers(another thing that downgraded him), he had a lot of unofficial, big time interest, from some of the best college bball programs in the country, about 1 or 2 years ago. They were waiting to see if he would gain the ability to jump high, and to see if he would grow taller, and to see if he would be able to beat top talent like Isabell, Ahmaad Rorie, Tyler Ulis, etc, before they would be willing to be officially interested in him to officially offer him.

 

[mikalalas]

I would have preferred Isabell, Rorie over Trevor Dunbar. Isabell is equal or better then Rorie. And Rorie and Isabell is better than Trevor Dunbar. But that said Trevor Dunbar is a good get for WSU.

But Kent did make a mistake in trying to have Isabell, Nye Redding, Rorie, all come to WSU as pg's. If he had succeeded in doing that, altho that would have made for 1 hell of a most awesome guard corp, there would have been 4 possible, maybe even probable pg's in Isabell, Rorie, Nye, Ike Iroegbu. If that situation, were to have happened, that would have been unacceptable to Isabell, who wanted a lot of playing time at PG, which would not have happened, even if he would have ended up as either the starting PG, or co starting PG, or situational starter at PG, and thats why he left,.and thats why he is going to play for Bruce Pearl at Auburn, in the SEC.

Kent should have, as soon as he signed Nye Redding, he should have told Isabell that he was only signing Nye as a back up PG option, and that he was going to send Rorie, Chauca elsewhere, and then sent Rorie, Chauca elsewhere. If Kent would have done that Isabell, would have probably stayed, and not left like he did. But Kent made the mistake of trying to have Isabell, Nye, Rorie, when Isabell, Nye would have been enough.

Isabell, Nye would have been better then Trevor Dunbar, Nye. But what is done is done, oh well, it is what it is, Trevor Dunbar,Nye, is still pretty good.

And Kent is still a good coach, and a good recruiter. He will learn from the mistake he made.

 

[chinookpirate]

Mik, I've appreciated your reports on Isabel. If what you say in this report is true, WSU and Kent are far better off in the long run without him, than with him.

 

[jourdand]

That sounds like exactly what happened to me! I didn't grow or develop the jump out of the gym hops

 

[7ICoug]

Seriously when you compare this kid to Dom Ellision you approach the edge of reality. Ellision was either the #1 or #2 rated PG on the West Coast back in 1993. He lead Morningside HS to victory back when it was tough.

His WSU records stand. He could really shoot and dish out assists.

He played once for the LA Stars (ABA).

 

[gazooks2]

By all accounts,Dunbar has improved his game by greatly improving his outside shot.He is quicker than Rorie but Rorie is bigger and has a better outside shot. If Dunbar can learn to drive right ,which he can learn,he will be very effective at the collegiate level.If a guard can only go one way you can shade them to that side and prevent penetration. Decades ago when i played,it was "left on left " or" right on right" to denote how to play such a player.I believe that he will succeed . I would surmise that if he lost some battles to some point guards , that he thought about his game. If they were playing him for the drive,they could play back and allow him to take a jump shot.When a player can consistently hit from the outside ,it helps them drive . Defenders have to play them honest and ,not shade them or play back to prevent penetration. It will be interesting to see how his game improves. He and Redding will be a potent PG combo for the cougs with experience.. I see a freshman starting at the point for thos cougs next year. Which one will be decided on how their respective games evolve and how well they respond to coaching. But the coug team will have better PGs than they have had for a while.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Originally posted by gazooks2:
By all accounts,Dunbar has improved his game by greatly improving his outside shot.He is quicker than Rorie but Rorie is bigger and has a better outside shot. If Dunbar can learn to drive right ,which he can learn,he will be very effective at the collegiate level.If a guard can only go one way you can shade them to that side and prevent penetration. Decades ago when i played,it was "left on left " or" right on right" to denote how to play such a player.I believe that he will succeed . I would surmise that if he lost some battles to some point guards , that he thought about his game. If they were playing him for the drive,they could play back and allow him to take a jump shot.When a player can consistently hit from the outside ,it helps them drive . Defenders have to play them honest and ,not shade them or play back to prevent penetration. It will be interesting to see how his game improves. He and Redding will be a potent PG combo for the cougs with experience.. I see a freshman starting at the point for thos cougs next year. Which one will be decided on how their respective games evolve and how well they respond to coaching. But the coug team will have better PGs than they have had for a while.

This is what I really look forward to and, as many know, was very disappointed that KB could not/did not recruit this position better given that it is critical to a team's success.

 

[gazooks2]

There is an old saying in basketball, which is "cut off the head and the body dies" This in reference to stopping the PG. Well the past coug teams did not have a head in many ways.

 

[ElComanche]

Mikalas ?-Just curious,did Dunbar and Tyler Ellis actually play against each other? If so what was the result? What were the individual stats and the game outcome? what was the setting for such a game? In a couple of Dunbar's high school games,it was apparent that his teammates were not athletically gifted or talented and Dunbar did not look as good as he should have as his teammates were not able to finish plays effectively.

 

[ElComanche]

Moving on,i watched Dunbar's videos of him playing for the Oakland Soldiers,he looked very good.Of course,these were select moments but they were against better competition than his high school games.I would bet that he will help recruit some good players for the cougs. In watching his videos ,i agree with Mikalas that he is better than Chauca.Of course one never knows until players play head to head.He will be a crowd favorite. I am curious as to why EK seemingly favored Chauca over Dunbar? they are the same size.Perhaps ,the recruiting for the past staff did a poor job of identifying potential recruits.? That is why Kent had to rely on contacts to know who was available at this late date

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by ElComanche:
Moving on,i watched Dunbar's videos of him playing for the Oakland Soldiers,he looked very good.Of course,these were select moments but they were against better competition than his high school games.I would bet that he will help recruit some good players for the cougs. In watching his videos ,i agree with Mikalas that he is better than Chauca.Of course one never knows until players play head to head.He will be a crowd favorite. I am curious as to why EK seemingly favored Chauca over Dunbar? they are the same size.Perhaps ,the recruiting for the past staff did a poor job of identifying potential recruits.? That is why Kent had to rely on contacts to know who was available at this late date

Dunbar is perhaps a better all around point guard. The one thing that Chauca has is that he has an excellent outside shot. If a player has one outstanding skill, he can be a useful player. My opinion is the outside shot is what separated the two in Kent's mind.

 

[ElComanche]

You very well could be right, however he may find it harder to get his shots off at the collegiate level.It will be interesting to see how the two match up next year. I would bet that Kent got the best end of the deal.Sometimes the best deal may not be what it appears to be. What i like is that people are actually talking about basketball with enthusiasm

 

[mikalalas]

Sorry it took so long to reply, lol. Been busy. To both answer your question, El C, and post new info, to go along with the info, that I already did a good breakdown report on Trevor Dunbar's good,great abilities, talent,skill,etc:

Trevor Dunbar did play in the same Ball is life AA, all american all star game, that Tyler Ulis played in. Now whether he was matched up consistently most of the time against Tyler Ulis(Kentucky recruit(clone of Trevor), I dont know, only that they were on opposing teams, in the same game.

Tyler Ulis scored a lot of points, according to a newslink that I found by googling, and yahoo searching for info on Trevor Dunbar. I dont know the URL,link, so cant copy paste it here, and not going to go re researching for the info.If you want the info, you can go search for it.

When I did search, and find newslinks, sources, that mentioned Trevor Dunbar, Tyler Ulis, playing in the same all star game, on opposing teams, they didnt go into detail. All they said was that Tyler Ulis scored a lot(probably about 29 to 39 points, would be my guess), and that Trevor Dunbar, just barely held his own, did ok, against Tyler Ulis.

Trevor Dunbar, Tyler Ulis, are friends, have practiced, played against each other, in the AAU circuit, same area, and are on the same TEAM SHIFTY(talked about in video)(only the shiftiest, ankle breaking players, are on this TEAM SHIFTY)


Some of Trevor Dunbar's Early vids, were against weak competition. His best video's are of him, in the YAYAREASFINEST, TEAM SHIFTY SUPER 100, mixtape vids, and him in the Ball is life AA all american all star game, and newer, newest mixtape vids, like his newest mixtape, interview, by Ball is Life.com, San Fransisco Pro Am.com vid.

If you, others watch all those video's, you will see why Trevor Dunbar, is a great, semi awesome player, with great, semi awesome, talent, skills, shooting, scoring, passing, speed, ball handling, quickness, athleticism, defense,etc.Again his only weakness is lack of jumping ability, lack of height.

If you watch only 1-3 of some of his older videos, you will see weaknesses, like lack of 3 point shooting, lack of not going right, and only going left.

Now he can shoot well, and go right. In the newest vid, He made 7,8 3 pointers in a row, after missing the first 2 3 pointers. And even the first 2 3 pointers, that missed, looked good. And in another clip, against a quick opposing pg, he faked going to his left, did a good,great crossover dribble, to his right, exploded past his opponent to the right, breaking his opponents ankles in the process.

Also Ball is life.com(The sponsors of the AA all american game, that Trevor Dunbar, Tyler Ulis played in, is sponsoring this newest video of Trevor Dunbar.

Also San Fransisco Pro Am.com, The Sponsors, people who do the San Fran Pro Am(Similar to the Seattle Pro Am done by Blake Griffen, Jamal Crawford), are sponsoring this newest video of Trevor Dunbar, which leads me to believe,think, that they are sponsoring his newest video, because they are thinking of inviting Trevor Dunbar, to play in the San Fran Pro Am.

Trevor Dunbar was way overated. Now he is severely underated, because he didnt shoot well at first, doesnt jump well, isnt tall enough. And he didnt do well against the better, best, top players, like Tramaine Isabell, Ahmaad Rorie, and he is a late bloomer.

Now he is starting to bloom. That's why he played in the Ball is life AA all american all star game. Thats why he played in the YAYAREASFINEST TEAM SHIFTY SUPER 100 game. Thats why he is a member of TEAM SHIFTY. Thats why he is sponsored by Ball is life.com, and San Fransisco Pro Am.com. And thats why he may get invited to the San Fran Pro Am. And thats why his newest vids look better,best.

Trever Dunbar may be the most underrated steal of a deal ever. And thats why Kent offered him,got him.

Here is video link:

https://t.co/Ty2EXOS7pz

This post was edited on 6/23 6:37 PM by mikalalas

Trev Dunbar new mixtap,interview,ballislife.com

 

[ElComanche]

Trevor Dunbar and Ry Redding will share the PG position for the cougs. The guards now on the team will play the off guard positions. This has to happen for the cougs to improve and compete against the better teams on the schedule. The posters on the other board want Kent to play the players who were part of last years' disastrous season.There is a new brand of basketball coming and a morphing of past coaches styles.It may take a few games for the team to jell but it will be a more exciting and better team next year

 

[mikalalas]

Ike Iroegbu, at 6' 1 an 1/2 inches, as a 4 star soph, will probably get about 19% to 29% to 39%(at the highest,at the beginning, of the PG minutes.

Of the remaining PG minutes, Trevor Dunbar, as a PURE PG, will get about 57% to about 63% of the remaining PG minutes.

Nye Redding, will probably get about 39% to 43% to 49% of the remaining PG minutes.

At the 2: Lacy Starts at the 2. Then Ike Iroegbu, and Nye Redding, will probably equally splits the remaining 2 spot minutes.

At the 3: Que starts at the 3. Kernich Dexter Drew, gets almost all the back up minutes at the 3, except when go small, then Lacy would play at 3. ike, Nye at the 2. Trevor Dunbar at the PG. If go big, Longrus, Boese at the 3. Que at the 2. Ike, Nye, Lacy, at the PG.

Thats this coming season.

Next season after this coming season:

3. Que, Jackie Davis, longrus, boese, new recruit. 2: Jackie Davis,Ike Iroegbu, Nye Redding. PG: Trevor Dunbar, Nye Redding, Ike Iroegbu.

If Trevor Dunbar doesnt get at least 53% to 58% of the PG minutes, he will not develop, and will rot on bench, behind Nye Redding, Ike Iroegbu, at the PG, because Trevor Dunbar is only fit to play at the PG spot, and unfit to play at the 2,3 guard spots, and because there would be to much depth at the 2,3 spots for Trevor Dunbar to play at the 2,3 spots.

Its the PG spot or bust for Trevor Dunbar.

Thats why as a PURE PG, Trevor Dunbar, should start, get at least a slight, bare majority, of all the PG minutes, unless he Trevor Dunbar clearly doesnt develop, perform, drops the ball so to speak, and if the other PG's clearly overtake him, play better, develop better then him Trevor Dunbar at the PG spot.

So Trevor Dunbar is probably going to be starting PG eventually.

 

[chinookpirate]

Originally posted by jourdand:
If Ken Bone signed this kid some of you would be mad about signing another big sky player!

While absolutely true, I like the fact Kent took a chance on a ballhandler with quicks who likes to play defense. Get a full roster in here, look at them for a year, thin the herd then repeat the process. In BB there are a ton of late bloomers who end up becoming stars at mid-majors. I like Kent's chances of hitting on a few of them once in awhile.