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Here is an example directly from my world as a mechanical contractor. I can cite these numbers from direct knowledge.

A kid who puts 5 years into getting an engineering degree starts among the top of the college grads...probably a first digit of a 7, more or less, depending upon where you live and which flavor of engineering. To get that degree in the typical 4.5-5 years, what is the average debt amount? Even working some combination of summers and during school, gotta be at least $50-75K...maybe more. In our current interest rate environment, that will take a long time to pay down, even though after 5 years they are knocking on a six figure income. On the other hand, it takes a 5 year apprenticeship to become a pipe fitter or sheet metal worker. Depending upon where in the USA you live, a base level journeyman is in the $40-$55/hr range with full benefits and a pension. That apprenticeship is 5 years of night school, 2 nights per week, 3 hours per night, on top of a full time job. At least as much time investment as an engineering degree, but no college debt. With some weekend overtime, most base journeymen are six figures plus income. At my company, our office engineers and project managers make roughly the same money as our field fitters and sheet metal workers. And the better/more experienced guys in the office are comparable income to the foremen/superintendents in the field.

The demographic changes that are bringing fewer students to college are also providing fewer kids into the trades. Supply and demand is a powerful thing. We have to have a minimum number of tradespeople for the economy to function. We have less need of a minimum number of college students for the economy to function (sure, you would reach that minimum number of students eventually, but the immediate pressing need is less than for people who are actually directly contributing). Those degrees with little career value are having a hard time justifying student loan debt. This is not the entire reason for declining college enrollment, but it is one of probably 4 or 5 significant reasons. Most of those 4 or 5 reasons have been building for the past 25 years. Some were accelerated by Covid. The Covid aspect will ease, but the fundamental issues that Covid magnified will still be there, and a shrinking age demographic will continue that trend.

Degree programs as well as entire small colleges that do little to prepare a kid for a career will all face continuing enrollment pressure. WSU is not alone. This is a societal issue, not a Pullman issue. As the costs of a university education continue to climb without reason or control and the student debt follows the costs, while trades-oriented options continue to pay as well and are well suited to trading sweat equity for student debt, the trend will continue.
 
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Mik,

Just imo, but CJD deserves at least two more seasons before he can judged a grand slam, a walk or a three-pitch strikeout (or, likely, somewhere in between).

How about we let Schultz and Chun get their IPF built (as well as locker room improvements CJD says are necessary) and wait for the Cougar Collective to establish its footing in the very competitive NIL space.

Those two things could provide Coach Dickert a leg up in the college football "arms race"

I think your misunderstanding me. With CJD's first 2, 7 win seasons, CJD is doing pretty good, and has to do pretty bad over the next 1,2,3,4 seasons, to get fired, etc.

He is going to get 2,3+ more seasons.

CJD will probably win about 6,7,8,9 wins this season, and the line should be about 7.5 wins.

But that said, if CJD only wins 2,3 wins this season, then he would probably only win 3,4,5,6 wins every season after that because his recruiting would drop because of only getting 2,3 wins, and because of NIL + Portal, and because his recruiting would then drop, he would then only have 3,4,5,6 win a season.

So altho CJD will get 2,3,4+ more seasons then this coming season, this coming season, is probably the key, critical, linchpin, etc, season, that will probably determine all the rest of CJD's recruiting, seasons, after this season.

I am NOT saying that CJD will only get or should only get 1,2 more seasons.

As to the things you mention, it's going to take TIME for those things to happen, and have a positive effect on recruiting, etc.

If CJD only wins 2,3 wins this season, the resulting bad recruiting due to lack of wins, NIL + Portal, the resulting more losses in future seasons, etc, would happen BEFORE those things you talked about happening and having a positive effect

When CJD wins 7,8,9 wins this season, CJD's recruiting will get even better then it already is, and CJD would then win 9,10,11 in future seasons, instead of 3,4,5,6 wins, if only won 2,3 wins this season.

So the things your talking about is AFTER these things, and recruiting will either get better then it already is, or get worse, irregardless of what your talking about.

So this season is CRITICAL, KEY, LINCHPIN, ETC, for the next about 4,5,6,7,8+ years BEFORE what your talking about
 
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Thanks 95.

I'm probably partial to Schulz (without knowing him of course) because he talks a lot about making WSU's athetic facilities some of the best around.

He comes across as a leader who truly cares about winning
I liked him better before he came up with the "One WSU" concept....which really means 'All of WSU should do what works for Pullman.'

I'm also not really on board with the addition of a Chancellor in Pullman. Kind of makes me wonder what his job is now. Especially when the Pullman Chancellor is also the system provost...which creates potential conflicts.

Every bureaucracy is top heavy, but WSU has gotten more top heavy than ever since he's been here. And of course, when the cuts come, it's not to the administrators - it's to the custodians and maintenance folks. And the ones that are left are just expected to work harder and longer....while the admins go home to their nice houses (or in Schulz' case, one of his 3 homes) and spend their travel allowances on junkets to Pebble Beach or whatever.
 
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We've had several good leaders over the years, but for me, Elson's combination of genuine empathy and people skills was the best. Smith seemed good (I had limited contact with him), but I'd probably have to put Terrell at least as high. If all our leaders had been at that level we would have been blessed. I agree with some others on this thread that Schulz comes from a very practical, business based, research dominated perspective. He perceives sports success, as well as professional school success (Vet Med, MD, Nursing) as being a part of the business model. All in all, a reasonable fit for WSU. But I sure miss Elson.
 
Patrol,

Do you think Schultz and his administration's emphasis on academics over all else is a key factor in the recent enrollment drop?

I certainly couldn't have gotten into WSU or any other top college as a high school senior.

But with the way the university seems to be trending, they probably wouldn't even bother sending a rejection letter to a kid with my academic "credentials" (unless I was a blue-chip athlete or a close relative was a big booster).

Simply put, has the bar been raised too high?
WSU needs to change the perception of our University.

WSU has been fighting for decades to rid itself of the negative academic branding that we've had for decades. If you randomly ask people in our state what they think about WSU, 90% of them will say "party school." If you ask serious academic students what they think about WSU, they'll say the same thing, which is why serious high school students don't consider WSU. If you ask the same question about UW, they'll say "Great school. Really hard to get in."

Upwards of 70% of WSU's student body are from Western WA, which is now made up of a large percentage of liberal students. This isn't a political response, so please don't take it there. I'm simply pointing out the reality that the majority of the beliefs that 17-18 year old public school students in Western WA are progressively liberal. I have 17 year old twin boys myself.

The traditional image of WSU as a beer chugging party school conflicts with many of today's students who view that identity as an old conservative mentality. Today's WSU isn't anything like that, but we still struggle with the stereotype. I know that Schultz is actively working on measures to raise WSU's academic rankings to help erase the stigma. Right or wrong, those silly US News & World Report and Forbes Public University rankings carry weight. WSU has (as usual) largely ignored playing the game by addressing the metrics that go into those rankings. I predict that's going to change in the coming years.

WSU needs to "read the room" and become more relatable to today's young people. Partying and fun play into everyone's college experience, but we need to offset that with a strong academic reputation. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. I believe that WSU is well positioned to become the 2nd best academic school in the State of WA and one of the top-3 schools in the entire NW region of WA, OR, ID, MT, AK. Currently, Gonzaga, Oregon, Oregon State, and even Idaho are perceived to be as strong or stronger academic schools than we are.

We need to stress the same things to academic students that we do to athletic recruits. Choose WSU for incredibly strong academic programs, a safe rural environment devoid of big city dangers, the best live-on campus in the entire NW where the overwhelming majority of people in the Pullman/Moscow area are under the age of 25.

There's absolutely no reason why WSU has to shoulder the party school that's not for serious students' brand any longer. It's the best public school to attend in the NW. I don't even think its close.
 
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Good post 95.

I certainly don't have the institutional knowledge you and many other alums share.

I wonder if Schulz has shifted his focus to shepherding WSU through this new era of media rights deals and NIL collectives while have his new chancellor handle the day-to-day business of running a major university?

He's done a number of interviews and seems really bullish on being successful in athletics.
 
I believe that WSU is well positioned to become the 2nd best academic school in the State of WA and one of the top-3 schools in the entire NW region of WA, OR, ID, MT, AK. Currently, Gonzaga, Oregon, Oregon State, and even Idaho are perceived to be as strong or stronger academic schools than we are.

From what I've heard and read, Whitman is considered the best academic school in Washington by some. Thoughts?
 
I think your misunderstanding me. With CJD's first 2, 7 win seasons, CJD is doing pretty good, and has to do pretty bad over the next 1,2,3,4 seasons, to get fired, etc.

He is going to get 2,3+ more seasons.

CJD will probably win about 6,7,8,9 wins this season, and the line should be about 7.5 wins.

But that said, if CJD only wins 2,3 wins this season, then he would probably only win 3,4,5,6 wins every season after that because his recruiting would drop because of only getting 2,3 wins, and because of NIL + Portal, and because his recruiting would then drop, he would then only have 3,4,5,6 win a season.

So altho CJD will get 2,3,4+ more seasons then this coming season, this coming season, is probably the key, critical, linchpin, etc, season, that will probably determine all the rest of CJD's recruiting, seasons, after this season.

I am NOT saying that CJD will only get or should only get 1,2 more seasons.

As to the things you mention, it's going to take TIME for those things to happen, and have a positive effect on recruiting, etc.

If CJD only wins 2,3 wins this season, the resulting bad recruiting due to lack of wins, NIL + Portal, the resulting more losses in future seasons, etc, would happen BEFORE those things you talked about happening and having a positive effect

When CJD wins 7,8,9 wins this season, CJD's recruiting will get even better then it already is, and CJD would then win 9,10,11 in future seasons, instead of 3,4,5,6 wins, if only won 2,3 wins this season.

So the things your talking about is AFTER these things, and recruiting will either get better then it already is, or get worse, irregardless of what your talking about.

So this season is CRITICAL, KEY, LINCHPIN, ETC, for the next about 4,5,6,7,8+ years BEFORE what your talking about
This season already started. We aren’t going to win the conference but I feel good about our chances to surprise some folks this year and find 7 or 8 wins based on what I saw in the C&G game. Last year was up and down and the portal and NILs constant toll on the roster is frustrating but Dickert is the perfect coach for WSU. He’s handling this stuff brilliantly and he’s nailing the details, you can see it on the field. The team plays hard and with discipline.
 
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I would love to see WSU think outside of the box and figure out a way to incorporate trade programs to the on-campus experience. This would be my Shark Tank project if I was younger and had more energy and bandwidth. Instead of the useless psychology and philosophy minors, why not pick up a 1-2 year carpentry, plumbing, machining, robotics, etc. apprenticeship?
 
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This season already started. We aren’t going to win the conference but I feel good about our chances to surprise some folks this year and find 7 or 8 wins based on what I saw in the C&G game. Last year was up and down and the portal and NILs constant toll on the roster is frustrating but Dickert is the perfect coach for WSU. He’s handling this stuff brilliantly and he’s nailing the details, you can see it on the field. The team plays hard and with discipline.

I agree. I think the line for this coming season should be about 7.5 wins for the same reasons you said.
 
Here is an example directly from my world as a mechanical contractor. I can cite these numbers from direct knowledge.

A kid who puts 5 years into getting an engineering degree starts among the top of the college grads...probably a first digit of a 7, more or less, depending upon where you live and which flavor of engineering. To get that degree in the typical 4.5-5 years, what is the average debt amount? Even working some combination of summers and during school, gotta be at least $50-75K...maybe more. In our current interest rate environment, that will take a long time to pay down, even though after 5 years they are knocking on a six figure income. On the other hand, it takes a 5 year apprenticeship to become a pipe fitter or sheet metal worker. Depending upon where in the USA you live, a base level journeyman is in the $40-$55/hr range with full benefits and a pension. That apprenticeship is 5 years of night school, 2 nights per week, 3 hours per night, on top of a full time job. At least as much time investment as an engineering degree, but no college debt. With some weekend overtime, most base journeymen are six figures plus income. At my company, our office engineers and project managers make roughly the same money as our field fitters and sheet metal workers. And the better/more experienced guys in the office are comparable income to the foremen/superintendents in the field.

The demographic changes that are bringing fewer students to college are also providing fewer kids into the trades. Supply and demand is a powerful thing. We have to have a minimum number of tradespeople for the economy to function. We have less need of a minimum number of college students for the economy to function (sure, you would reach that minimum number of students eventually, but the immediate pressing need is less than for people who are actually directly contributing). Those degrees with little career value are having a hard time justifying student loan debt. This is not the entire reason for declining college enrollment, but it is one of probably 4 or 5 significant reasons. Most of those 4 or 5 reasons have been building for the past 25 years. Some were accelerated by Covid. The Covid aspect will ease, but the fundamental issues that Covid magnified will still be there, and a shrinking age demographic will continue that trend.

Degree programs as well as entire small colleges that do little to prepare a kid for a career will all face continuing enrollment pressure. WSU is not alone. This is a societal issue, not a Pullman issue. As the costs of a university education continue to climb without reason or control and the student debt follows the costs, while trades-oriented options continue to pay as well and are well suited to trading sweat equity for student debt, the trend will continue.
I think you may be underestimating the debt upon graduation (WSU tuition now is almost $13K for in-state, they estimate $33K total expenses), but otherwise your scenario seems plausible.

The loan payoff - assuming government loans - is fixed at 10 years. Subsidized Stafford loans are running 4.99% right now, and likely will rise. But with $75K in debt, with a 10-year payoff at 4.99%, they're looking at paying $795/month for the next 10 years. At $100K, they're paying $1,060/month. That's more than my first mortgage was...and it's 3/4 of my current one. Even if they're making $70K after graduation, they're paying $10-12K to their loans. 5 years post-high school, the kid in the trade program has probably worked harder than the college grad, but is probably in a better financial position, could have started his IRA, and maybe now can go to night school to get his BS and actually pay for it.

Even a kid who gets a job sweeping floors or punching a register out of HS gets $15.74 an hour to start. That works out to almost $33K per year. If they live at home and are smart about money, they bank $8-10K per year (better yet, bank $5K and put $5K in an IRA). Gotta think they move up a bit are over 40K after 4 years, and have 20-40K in the bank. Maybe they've got their AA done, and now they've got the cash to finish their BS without debt.

Either way, unless you or your family has the money to pay for college outright, I see little advantage remaining to going to college immediately. For kids in situations similar to mine - I had to work and get loans to pay tuition & expenses - it makes more sense to not go to college immediately, just to avoid the crushing debt at the other end.
 
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WSU needs to change the perception of our University.

Upwards of 70% of WSU's student body are from Western WA, which is now made up of a large percentage of liberal students. This isn't a political response, so please don't take it there. I'm simply pointing out the reality that the majority of the beliefs that 17-18 year old public school students in Western WA are progressively liberal. I have 17 year old twin boys myself.

WSU needs to "read the room" and become more relatable to today's young people. Partying and fun play into everyone's college experience, but we need to offset that with a strong academic reputation. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. I believe that WSU is well positioned to become the 2nd best academic school in the State of WA and one of the top-3 schools in the entire NW region of WA, OR, ID, MT, AK. Currently, Gonzaga, Oregon, Oregon State, and even Idaho are perceived to be as strong or stronger academic schools than we are.
I think WSU has started to address this recently with more emphasis on programs that the younger, more liberal kids have some interest in (and that also align with Land Grant status and our research standing), specifically the increasing emphasis on alternative fuels & energy and sustainability. WSU just got funding to set up an "Institute" for these things, and I think that'll be interesting to more students. I think WSU is finally realizing that they've spent too much effort on niche programs like winemaking, and on programs that don't stand out from the crowd (MBAs), and have started finding things that have a base of interest and also broader application.

I would love to see WSU think outside of the box and figure out a way to incorporate trade programs to the on-campus experience. This would be my Shark Tank project if I was younger and had more energy and bandwidth. Instead of the useless psychology and philosophy minors, why not pick up a 1-2 year carpentry, plumbing, machining, robotics, etc. apprenticeship?
Those sorts of programs are the realm of the community college system. Although that line is being blurred now that the CCs are starting to offer BAS programs. There has been some talk - especially at the smaller campuses - about broader use of internship and hands-on coursework, but that'll require a lot of community partners and input from the lawyers.
 
I would love to see WSU think outside of the box and figure out a way to incorporate trade programs to the on-campus experience. This would be my Shark Tank project if I was younger and had more energy and bandwidth. Instead of the useless psychology and philosophy minors, why not pick up a 1-2 year carpentry, plumbing, machining, robotics, etc. apprenticeship?
Where I am actually seeing some variation of these sorts of practical training being combined successfully with a 4 year degree is in the Computer Engineering/Computer Science/IT arena. Some combination of internships and classes in these areas gets a good result. Cal Poly Pomona is an example; we've worked with them and now have 5 of those folks who've gone through a similar route. For a university to include some form of a trade program, they would probably have to be an adjunct to a related 4 year degree. I could see any of the construction trade classes fitting well with a business or construction management degree, for example. There are many that would also work with engineering degrees. No good education is 100% theoretical.

Side story. We picked up a computer science kid from UC Irvine a year ago. He almost did not make it with us. One of my partners, who was his direct supervisor, was trying to teach him how to be an effective coder. According to my partner, the kid wrote beautiful code; well organized; easy to follow. Had been taught well how to write it. But he had no...zero...nada training or experience in how to then test the code to make sure it worked, or to de-bug when issues arose. My partner got pissed at one point and told him, "This is not just some theoretical exercise! It has to work!". It took 7-8 months, but the light finally went on. I think that sometimes we let the academics go overboard in the ivory tower direction when it comes to defining advanced education. When I was at WSU, back in the dark ages, I thought the balance was pretty good.
 
Where I am actually seeing some variation of these sorts of practical training being combined successfully with a 4 year degree is in the Computer Engineering/Computer Science/IT arena. Some combination of internships and classes in these areas gets a good result. Cal Poly Pomona is an example; we've worked with them and now have 5 of those folks who've gone through a similar route. For a university to include some form of a trade program, they would probably have to be an adjunct to a related 4 year degree. I could see any of the construction trade classes fitting well with a business or construction management degree, for example. There are many that would also work with engineering degrees. No good education is 100% theoretical.

Side story. We picked up a computer science kid from UC Irvine a year ago. He almost did not make it with us. One of my partners, who was his direct supervisor, was trying to teach him how to be an effective coder. According to my partner, the kid wrote beautiful code; well organized; easy to follow. Had been taught well how to write it. But he had no...zero...nada training or experience in how to then test the code to make sure it worked, or to de-bug when issues arose. My partner got pissed at one point and told him, "This is not just some theoretical exercise! It has to work!". It took 7-8 months, but the light finally went on. I think that sometimes we let the academics go overboard in the ivory tower direction when it comes to defining advanced education. When I was at WSU, back in the dark ages, I thought the balance was pretty good.
That reminds me...WSU is starting a cybersecurity program within computer science now too. They're about 5 years late to that party, but at least they're finally getting there.

I think a general - and growing - problem in education at all levels is a lack of problem solving. Kids are being taught "how to do it" instead of "how to figure it out." Even in elementary school, they have to show their work, and their grade is based more on how they did the problem than if they get the right answer. How's that going to go if they're building a bridge? 'It looked really nice, and you worked hard. Too bad it collapsed."

I have to do a fair amount of training as part of my job, and lately I've been doing some hiring. I have a very strong preference for scenarios and story problems, and people hate it - especially the younger ones. But you can't solve a problem until you figure out what the problem is - and true/false and multiple choice questions don't gauge your ability to do that.
 
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I think WSU has started to address this recently with more emphasis on programs that the younger, more liberal kids have some interest in (and that also align with Land Grant status and our research standing), specifically the increasing emphasis on alternative fuels & energy and sustainability. WSU just got funding to set up an "Institute" for these things, and I think that'll be interesting to more students. I think WSU is finally realizing that they've spent too much effort on niche programs like winemaking, and on programs that don't stand out from the crowd (MBAs), and have started finding things that have a base of interest and also broader application.


Those sorts of programs are the realm of the community college system. Although that line is being blurred now that the CCs are starting to offer BAS programs. There has been some talk - especially at the smaller campuses - about broader use of internship and hands-on coursework, but that'll require a lot of community partners and input from the lawyers.
Yep, this. Trade education is the realm of community colleges and other trade schools. Not a TIER 1 research university.
 
There are many reasons for the drop in college enrollment, it is a nationwide issue, not just a WSU problem, here are some of the reasons.

Demographics, declining birth rates and declining number of high school graduates

Cost- when I was at WSU I could make enough in the summer to cover my tuition and some rent money. Today earning enough in the summer to cover tuition is almost impossible.

Perception of the value of a college education, many are coming to the conclusion that spending 150K ( tuition, books room and board for 4 years) for a college degree could be put to better use elsewhere. I still think it is well worth while provided you focus on a decree that you will benefit from.

Curriculum, many Universities are selling ideology along with an education, which turns off people/parents, that are funding the education.

Covid hangover

So many reasons, perhaps admission standards is another.

Back to football

Nice to see a football thread here as well, two big pickups this week, maybe Dickert has some more tricks up his sleeve. Interesting that the transfer from CU had WSU on his original list out of HS. It was something I believe Leach had mentioned back when the portal first started. It is important to wish a kid well when you lose them out of HS, to another program. Be positive, because if things don't work out at the school of 1st choice, you may have a 2nd chance to get him. If he had positive experience with you the first time around, it puts you in a good postion when they hit the portal.
Lots of good thought put into your post-thanks for that. I would say that demographics would be a given, as well as costs. I think more folks are finally starting to do a better cost/benefit analysis and coming to the conclusion that they are better off not committing to so much debt for the piece of paper they are given after 4-5 years.

Two things I wonder about are the enrollment rates for trade schools/apprenticeship programs and also the enrollment rates by program and school within the university. In other words, is the enrollment drop uniform over all/vast majority of the programs or is it concentrated in some programs while others like Engineering, Construction Management, maybe Business Admin, Nursing, Police Science, Agriculture, and some other highly rated programs stay flat or even grow their enrollment?

My personal experience, which I am thankful for, goes like this. I worked in the fields as a kid, picking crops, and in HS I worked summers at a pea viner set, then driving mobile viners and swathers, then miscellaneous truck driving and farm work the summer after graduation. Wages ranged from piece work for crops and from $1.50 to $1.90/hour for machinery operations. I recall tuition starting at $216/semester in fall of 1970, raising to $232, $260 somethin, and finally around $280-290. I was fortunate to be able to work in the lab at Shell Refinery for 3 summers, probably around $4/hr. I officiated intramural games during school for 3 years, did audio visual work one year, and had an assistantship for my year of grad school. Was running low my freshman year so my folks gave me $3-400 to get through school and to first summer paycheck. I wanted a car that summer and folks bought it for $1,000 and said that I was on my own from then on. School, gas, insurance, food, clothes, etc. So I left WSU after 5 years owing $700, and most of that amount could be blamed on the stereo equipment that I just HAD to have! Pioneer receiver, Advent Speakers, Teac reel-to-real tape deck, and a Thorens turntable. Okay, so maybe ALL of the $700 was due to the stereo. LOL

That's just for info purposes. Shows how much the costs have risen for the education, but also how little we were paid back then. I would rather have done it then instead of now, for sure, but it also shows how I had to hustle in several different ways, working while going to school as well as the long farming hours (12/ day, 7 days a week) and refinery shift work in the summers.
 
That said this season is still a CRITICAL, KEY, LINCHPIN season.
An interesting one for sure. For the first time I can remember the Pac 12 looks pretty formidable almost top to bottom. Lots of really good QBs returning. It could be a big momentum year for this program if we can surprise to the upside. Wouldn’t shock me to see a Pac-12 team in the playoff this year (please, please not UW though).
 
How can you rid yourself of negative perception academically when you don’t require SAT score or grade point averages anymore to make up for past oppression for minorities get accepted?
 
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How can you rid yourself of negative perception academically when you don’t require SAT score or grade point averages anymore to make up for past oppression for minorities get accepted?
GPA is still a factor. But SAT/ACT/WPCT don’t matter anymore.
 
The enrollment cliff is coming. Add to your list declining birth rate.

Small colleges with small enrollments are closing now. The pace will pick up in the future if they do not do something to gain students.
I am in Pullman for graduation . Right down from the Marriott is two huge apartment complexes . Are they really that short on housing ? I have a feeling there will be some good deals when it comes to housing in a couple of years . It sure seems like they are over building and not in line with the drop in enrollment .
 
I am in Pullman for graduation . Right down from the Marriott is two huge apartment complexes . Are they really that short on housing ? I have a feeling there will be some good deals when it comes to housing in a couple of years . It sure seems like they are over building and not in line with the drop in enrollment .
Yeah I have wondered about that for a couple of years. Now that Pullman enrollment has dumped, all these complexes may take a big hit. The ridiculous Freshman live on rule will delay it a bit, but it will manifest itself. And the overpriced dorms and dining halls will follow.

I remember the days when I was in college when enrollment lagged big time, but back then just the slum apartments suffered.

You gonna catch a baseball game?
 
Enrollment is experiencing a dip, but it'll bounce back. At least I think it will.

The dip is going to serve as a wake up call for public (and private) colleges and universities to trim the fat. There is a morbid amount of administrative bloat. Over the past 15 years, non-instructional spending has more than doubled instructional spending. Diversity, equity, and inclusion programs are the biggest culprit.
 
Here is an example directly from my world as a mechanical contractor. I can cite these numbers from direct knowledge.

A kid who puts 5 years into getting an engineering degree starts among the top of the college grads...probably a first digit of a 7, more or less, depending upon where you live and which flavor of engineering. To get that degree in the typical 4.5-5 years, what is the average debt amount? Even working some combination of summers and during school, gotta be at least $50-75K...maybe more. In our current interest rate environment, that will take a long time to pay down, even though after 5 years they are knocking on a six figure income. On the other hand, it takes a 5 year apprenticeship to become a pipe fitter or sheet metal worker. Depending upon where in the USA you live, a base level journeyman is in the $40-$55/hr range with full benefits and a pension. That apprenticeship is 5 years of night school, 2 nights per week, 3 hours per night, on top of a full time job. At least as much time investment as an engineering degree, but no college debt. With some weekend overtime, most base journeymen are six figures plus income. At my company, our office engineers and project managers make roughly the same money as our field fitters and sheet metal workers. And the better/more experienced guys in the office are comparable income to the foremen/superintendents in the field.

The demographic changes that are bringing fewer students to college are also providing fewer kids into the trades. Supply and demand is a powerful thing. We have to have a minimum number of tradespeople for the economy to function. We have less need of a minimum number of college students for the economy to function (sure, you would reach that minimum number of students eventually, but the immediate pressing need is less than for people who are actually directly contributing). Those degrees with little career value are having a hard time justifying student loan debt. This is not the entire reason for declining college enrollment, but it is one of probably 4 or 5 significant reasons. Most of those 4 or 5 reasons have been building for the past 25 years. Some were accelerated by Covid. The Covid aspect will ease, but the fundamental issues that Covid magnified will still be there, and a shrinking age demographic will continue that trend.

Degree programs as well as entire small colleges that do little to prepare a kid for a career will all face continuing enrollment pressure. WSU is not alone. This is a societal issue, not a Pullman issue. As the costs of a university education continue to climb without reason or control and the student debt follows the costs, while trades-oriented options continue to pay as well and are well suited to trading sweat equity for student debt, the trend will continue.
Mike Rowe has been preaching your point for years. Well said.
 
Enrollment is experiencing a dip, but it'll bounce back. At least I think it will.

The dip is going to serve as a wake up call for public (and private) colleges and universities to trim the fat. There is a morbid amount of administrative bloat. Over the past 15 years, non-instructional spending has more than doubled instructional spending. Diversity, equity, and inclusion programs are the biggest culprit.
So we wish. But it won't. The decision makers are all making coin as they sit there and lay off custodians to try to help the budget. Think they are going to sacrifice themselves? NO. WSU's Admin structure has become a joke. VP's of everything now under Schulz. I know some of them, and wouldn't hire them to mow the lawn. Absolutely pathetic. They just suck off the tit for their whole careers, and advance in rank and pay just because they don't do anything to rock the boat. Maybe I'm just bitter because in my 28 years in Higher Ed I never, ever subscribed to that pussy BS, although I did pretty well in spite of it. Christ in the real world, all of them would be working at Walmart stocking shelves.
 
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