Not a regression year! That never ever happens! It would be like a DE making a stop on a middle run- IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
Leach detractors- have you seen IT?
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We are going to have down years and seesaw as we transition into a competitive Pac 12 program. If we were a premiere program from the start then it wouldn't be like that, but we aren't. It's a program that is getting better it's clear the program as a whole is getting better. Our bottom is 3 wins our ceiling has been 6. Our bottom in wulff was 1 win and our ceiling was 2 after 3 years. It's a better program, and one that will continue to uptrend.
Still leg humping Ed's posts at a level never seen before. At least you're consistent.
Never said it never happens. I said that is not his primary responsibility... Which you seem to think it is.
I'll forgive the misquote as you probably had the flu.
Not even close on both accounts, but at least you're starting to apply revisionist history to sound more like something sensible. Good for you!
What's inconsistent about that? Please counselor, enlighten. Yes, I have said I have not seen any of the players really play, so how anyone thinks it will be on par or an upgrade doesn't make sense. We can hope they are better, and they may be but their inexperience will also be exploited at times. In eother case, they still have to play because there is no fee agency in college football so the old line you have to play with the hand you are dealt is in play. But when predicting they will replace a third round draft pick and be better it at best is a hope and wait and see.
So someone would have to step up and prove it before you make the switch permanent. As I said if no one does you keep White at his original position. Seems to make sense to me, and consistent.
Yep full of BS. The jury has spoken. Now move along. Whatever you are trying to get out of this post you are not going to get from me...cause I could care less what you think.
Totally consistent. Totally.
And if you don't care what I think, why do you keep replying to my posts?
I was going to ask you the same thing? But my answer is easy, you responded to my threads. YOU jumped into my thread. You questioned me and I answered you why I won't share why or the proof you seem so desperately needed. Funny how I can toyally ignore you for six months, you can't ignore a post of mine for six minutes. Yeah, I give a crap about what you think. For someone literal like you, that was cynicism
And yes, it is consistent.
You didn't start this thread. You have no more
You didn't start this thread. You didn't ignore any of my posts.
You didn't start this thread. You didn't ignore any of my posts.
Confusion reigns supreme these days. Btw, dgibbons, you're a "counselor," as in a lawyer? How would one know this?
You are correct once again. Your posts were ignored from 12/2014 to 6/2015. So yes, I went six months without responding to your posts. That would be six months.
Everyone on the board knows I didn't ignore them? Interesting, I didn't read your posts or responses. But you followed me around like a horny dog.
Let's be clear on two things. One, I have said interceptions won't go up? I don't remember even talking about tackling. And you do get all you did is cite a roster. Luani, Dotson, Buchanon, Dale, Powell, Singlton have zero Pac 12 experience. HAve we seen these kids play?
I talked of the statistical difference between the two defenses "The 14' defense had 15 % less tackles, as many tfl and 13 less interceptions" and then conclude "The numbers should return to normal."
Then you respond "As for the rest of what you said, I appreciate your confidence, but what have you seen that backs up your statement." The only logical conclusion being that you doubt the numbers that I alluded to will materialize to 2013' levels.
So I made a prediction for the upcoming season based on tackles and interceptions and you automatically had a problem with it even thought my response was to Cougatron who seemed to have little problem with a little prediction. Also, I listed a depth chart that includes potential impact players, kind of like when I listed 2 JC olinemen who could make an impact and start....remember these times. You asked me every time I listed a player..."have you seen them play" ...usually after posting their video and referencing specific parts to watch. Once again though...you don't want to admit that Luani and Treshon are potential impact starters or that the freshmen and RS freshmen are good athletes. Ed, look into your crystal ball and tell us what JC transfers and freshmen are going to make an impact this year. I'll post all the film available.
Fro, thanks for such an adult and rational post on this team's prospects. It's refreshing to see here.
Yo Kreskin, now what am I thinking? If you believe I posted "indirectly" and it helps you feel better about yourself, so be it. sS I said, you were off the radar for six months, you couldn't even say you haven't missed a post of mine for six days. But feel free to hump the posts and get whatever you get out of it?
First, my apologies,
Actually Fro, my apologies. I don't think my original response was to you. Second, as to who will contribute this coming year, you could post all the HS and JC film you want, and until they strap it on no clue how they will react. My guess if Luani is as good as you think, it won't be until game for or five until he is semi comfortable, and it won't be until game seven when he is an impact player.
Even the two JC lineman, who by the way may be two of the best we have seen transfer in to our school in a long time, took multiple game sto adjust and I thought they adjusted very quickly for Olineman coming in from teh JC ranks.
Trufant when he came up became our best db probably by game seven of his freshman year.
In 2016 we won't have any of these questions to ask, they will be answered and they won't have that question mark.
I don't have a problem with a prediction, and I pretty much agree with froro.
I think we will have much better talent in the secondary, and JC players who will contribute right away. One player that might even emerge is Sean Harper...although he's a true freshmen he looks really good, and he had an offer from Nebraska.
We were #40 in rush defense... it was passing defense that killed us. We were #126 in that.
So considering we keep the LBs and lose two DL on a deep DL front it's perfectly acceptable to think that our run defense will be about the same.
That leaves the secondary. Bringing in JC corners and a JC safety plus whatever we have that we can work with from last year (Charleston White, Hameed, Lemora) we should improve.
In 2013 we gave up 31 25+ yards passing plays
In 2014 we gave up 36 25+ yards passing plays
If Grinch gets our secondary to just okay/decent then we will be greatly improved.
I don't think he will make us the best pass defense in the conference after 1 year, but I expect him to post similar or better numbers to 2013.
We haven't had a Corner on the team above 6' since carpenter. And we have two in Harper and Broughton
Tracy Clark and Tailulu were the only upper classmen we had and they both were not that great so we played a bunch of the freshmen, and Brown was basically up and down all over the place but really that's the story.
White, Porter, Pippins, Lemora, Hameed, and Dotson all got valuable playing time, and with these new JCs coming in we will be a lot better.
Also I will add that only 1 DB was taken in the 2011 class the miracle wonder spencer waseem.
Seriously?? Are those your daughters you're posing with? Yeah, he's narcissistic.
Tracy Clark and Tailulu were the only upper classmen we had and they both were not that great so ......that wasn't so great??? That might of been the indictment for that position in that year.
Not really sure how having a picture with two friends of mine is narcissistic. Thinking someone reads all of your posts, however is.
I was being polite. They both sucked. Considering that between the two there were a total of zero bcs offers besides us it's no surprise they were outmatched.
The ones that did were Carpenter, Locker (UW), Horton, Washington were all gone last year.
It really sucks because we didn't have much to transition into.
2011 Waseem was the only one and aside from Gumbo that makes you take a dump he never produced anything.
2012 - Tailulu , D Bucanon, Davey - Davey had an injury that had him hang up cleats, Tailulu hasn't produced much, and Little Buc is just now starting to see the field.
So basically Clark was the lone person from the 2010 class remaining.
We should have grabbed a bunch of JCs in 2013/2014 class to shore things up, but the gambles on Ray Ford, Alex Jackson not wanting to convert, set us back.
Add in Markell Sanders not making it, Dockery not wanting to play corner, and well there you have it. No depth + No Upperclassmen talent for 2014.
The emphasis on getting DBs in and getting the young players experience + JCs to shore it up and we will be better.
I wanted to see how Leach faired against the other new Pac-12 coaches that came in when he did on how they all improved upon their predecessors records the previous 3 years.
Graham 16 wins prior improved to 28 wins increase of 1.75 increase
Leach 7 wins prior improved to 12 wins increase of 1.71 increase
Mora 17 wins prior improved to 29 wins increase of 1.70 increase
Rich Rod 18 wins prior improved to 26 wins increase of 1.4 increase
Given what each was handed the previous years Leach actually was the 2nd best in overall improvement from the predecessor 3 years prior.
So given this current trajectory and considering we actually have room to grow.
The next 3 years we should win 20 games or an average of 6.8 / year
The next 3 after that (pending we are on the same improvement trajectory) would be 10-11/year
Pretty interesting because that would make it year 9 under Leach...the same time frame it took Mike Price to win 10 games.
Graham 16 wins prior improved to 28 wins increase of 1.75 increase
Leach 7 wins prior improved to 12 wins increase of 1.71 increase
Mora 17 wins prior improved to 29 wins increase of 1.70 increase
Rich Rod 18 wins prior improved to 26 wins increase of 1.4 increase
Given what each was handed the previous years Leach actually was the 2nd best in overall improvement from the predecessor 3 years prior.
So given this current trajectory and considering we actually have room to grow.
The next 3 years we should win 20 games or an average of 6.8 / year
The next 3 after that (pending we are on the same improvement trajectory) would be 10-11/year
Pretty interesting because that would make it year 9 under Leach...the same time frame it took Mike Price to win 10 games.
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NERD!!!!! I will NOT address the arguments contained in your post, and I don't care either!
We haven't made progress because 3-9 in year 3. You, sir, are blind to the iron laws of the W/L column! I would know, I've played sports before.
I also say " there are some who would argue" ...so? Some or they is a general statement. IE, There are some who could argue that Leach's offense is too predictable, with zero running game, and that will not get it done in the Pac 12. Who am I talking about some? SPonge? Maybe, Curtis Conway? Could be. A very famous Cougar DB who feels that way. Sure. Or I could simply be writing about a generic people who are on that side of the issue....which actually has been the case.
Cougtrons research shows Leach has performed better at WSU than Mora @ UCLA, RichRod @ AZ and just a smidge under Graham at ASU???
Happy 4th to you too! Pace yourself buddy and I hope you aren't driving!!!
Happy 4th to you too! Pace yourself buddy and I hope you aren't driving!!!
Oh....whatever makes you feel good on this day. Proof? Yaki apparently posted his fantasy of what transpired when he got booted, and about bringing the name up of a co worker of mine on the premium board. He apparently did so during the time when I was not reading the posts. He mentioned it last week on the free board that he gave his fairytale version of what happened on the premium. I had to go back and look for an hour to discover his fiction writing.
TRon, if offers were that important why did Leach keep Taylor T? Actually they had experience and depth to transition into. The real problem at what should be Leach's easiest position to recruit simply because of how many kids are 5 10 and run sub 4.6 forties and WSU's history at DB, and he unfortunately struck out in 2012. That was the problem. The two kids he had didn't want to make the conversion to defense, so they had two years of experienced DB play. THat should have been enough. Now where are in the position where we hope he recruited well to fix the position.
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