Leach to U. of Houston?

[Cougzz]

Inquiring minds want to know. There would be a major buy out to calculate. Houston's ABC affiliate is reporting his "interest". Back to Texas and away from growing criticism. This would be horrid for WSU..."Yeah, actually you can't win there." I hope it is baloney.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Nobody who grew up in Wyoming would voluntarily live in the land of miserable humidity.

Leach isn't going anywhere.

 

[Cougzz]

Maybe he isn't currently denying interest in order to rekindle the grateful outpouring of three years ago.

 

[JBrown4435]

I don't like that it's even a rumor on twitter. If he goes right now things are going to get really, really ugly.

 

[dgibbons]

You need thicker skin

Just sayin.


And I highly doubt Leach would go back to work for a public university in Texas.

 

[Norbert1]

Re: Buyout is $11 Million

4 seasons at $2.75 Million. $11 Million. No way that someone pays that for a 12-25 coach.

 

[405 Coug]

Re: You need thicker skin

I would Imagine now the Houston fired their coach, Leach has an interest in the university of Houston DC Dave Gibbs, that is probably how the rumor started.

 

[Cougzz]

Re: You need thicker skin

WSU "officials" deny the Leach and Houston link. Maybe this was his agent trying to earn his keep.

 

[CrimsonDisciple]

Re: You need thicker skin

Britton just reported that WSU officials have publicly stated that Leach has no interest in Houston.

 

[CougDave]

Re: Buyout is $11 Million


His buyout is $1.35 Million per his original contract.

 

[britton ransford]

Re: You need thicker skin

Originally posted by CrimsonDisciple:
Britton just reported that WSU officials have publicly stated that Leach has no interest in Houston.

I also heard as much from two trusted sources.

 

[Norbert1]

Re: Buyout is $11 Million

He signed a 5-year rollover contract after the first year.

 

[CougDave]

Re: Buyout is $11 Million


The buyout is never the remaining years of the contract. His original buyout was $2.25 Million which decreased each year that he stayed. So even if the rollover increased his buyout to that amount it would still be far short of $11 Million. Even so, I doubt there is much to this Houston rumor though.

 

[dgibbons]

Unless Jim Sterk negotiated the contract.

Then WSU owes every penny....

Actually, after year 3 Wulff's buyout turned into a sum certain. But Bone got all of it.

 

[Observer11]

Re: Buyout is $11 Million

Originally posted by CougDave:

The buyout is never the remaining years of the contract. His original buyout was $2.25 Million which decreased each year that he stayed. So even if the rollover increased his buyout to that amount it would still be far short of $11 Million. Even so, I doubt there is much to this Houston rumor though.

Buyout and severance not the same.

 

[SCglory]

money and visions of success have a funny way of convincing people.....

(I happen to agree with your take on the "miserable humidity")

 

[Coug95man2]

Certainly the "Biggest fan", but also the harshest critic, I'll bet had a moment of Oh S**t on the rumor. Intentional or not, probably puts a little perspective on our coach, regardless of where you stand in that spectrum. Maybe CML isn't too bad a coach for the critics. Maybe some shouldn't hold on TOO tight to the CML legacy thing. WSU will/would be just fine regardless.
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[chinookpirate]

4 points:

- relative humidity in the summer months is higher in Key West on average than in Houston in the afternoons, officially.

- Leach's contract language that caused him problems can be easily fixed in any new contract he might sign anywhere in Texas.

- Houston is a 40,000 student University in a major city with a medical school and many rich alumni. They could quite easily outspend Baylor, WSU and/or TCU if they wanted to.

- right now, Leach could easily jump and throw 'Pullman' under the bus for not doing better while here.

All that said, I don't think he's going anywhere and that he feels a personal need to get this thing figured out. Yes, I believed Dennis Erikson when he swore his allegiance to WSU at a press conference in Spokane minutes before boarding a plane to Miami to become it's new coach, from a press conference at the Miami airport. I also believed Mike Price when he told me there was nothing to worry about regarding the rumors of him taking the Alabama job.

To all you young guys: If Leach should happen to leave, we will hire a new coach just like we did 4 times in 4 years back in the day. The sun will still rise the next morning.

 

[Coug95man2]

Know why your considered a troll by so many, Fishie? Your above post is a fantastic example. Small little sentence at the bottom being the exemption, your whole post is a negative. Your almost fighting to prove CML is going to leave. And that's INCLUDING you last "positive" sentence. If you are a Coug, could you be a more NN? Sometimes the empty vessel is the one that shouts the loudest, ya know.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[CougDave]

Re: Buyout is $11 Million


Severance isn't an issue here unless we fire Leach and that's not happening. The buyout is what WSU would be paid if Leach leaves for another job and at that appears to be somewhere around $1 million.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by Coug95man2:
Know why your considered a troll by so many, Fishie? Your above post is a fantastic example. Small little sentence at the bottom being the exemption, your whole post is a negative. Your almost fighting to prove CML is going to leave. And that's INCLUDING you last "positive" sentence. If you are a Coug, could you be a more NN? Sometimes the empty vessel is the one that shouts the loudest, ya know.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

I was also thinking the same thing, as well as the condenscending words about "to all you young guys."

 

[Coug95man2]

I put the "empty vessel" comment in there for all the REALLY old farts...

Posted from Rivals Mobile

This post was edited on 12/8 9:35 AM by Coug95man2

 

[CougEd]

Why is post negative...coaches leave programs all the time

How many coaches have we lost who had a losing record at WSU? Plenty. Many times where there is smoke there is fire. Is that the case here?

This is a pivotal year for leach. And you could say it about any coach with a resume. After three years he could simply say he is leaving for a better gig, and he could point t the market size and the stadium size. He can point to outsiders that the cupboard was bare, and he went to a bowl game and his talent level is so far up that he is leaving the next coach in a perfect position to succeed.

If the go below .500 year four, it becomes his. Will that detract programs from coming to get him? It will put him a precarious position.

And all Chinook said is if a coach leaves, whether it be Leach in this case, Wulff, Walden, Erickson, and Price, it is not the end of the world. A little known guy from Wyoming had a fair amount of success when no one else could at the school.

It is just like when kids transfer out. Since your handle is 95, is that because you were in Pullman in 95? In March of 96 they had a Wednesday that everyone thought was the end of the world. In the fall of 95 WSU had two DT that were freshman who started. Daryl Jones and Gary Holmes. Leon flunked out. WSU's prize recruit on offense was Ricky Austin, who also played. Their best linebacker was a kid named Glover, and all three announced they were transferring on that same say in February. This was done after Price had to take a small recruiting class. If Price had known there were three vacancies, he for sure would have done something different.

Two years later when Jones and Austin are playing for SDSU, and Glover was playing for Utah, the Cougs went to the Rose Bowl.

I personally think his post was about perspective.

 

[ttowncoug]

Leach isn't stupid

Mike Leach isn't stupid. He knows his window here at WSU is closing. Any smart person is going to keep options open.

 

[CougEd]

Leach's only interest is fixing the problem here...

He has no interest in leaving Pullman.

 

[Coug1990]

Re: Leach isn't stupid

Originally posted by ttowncoug:
Mike Leach isn't stupid. He knows his window here at WSU is closing. Any smart person is going to keep options open.

Is his window really closing? He has a guaranteed five year contract. He also knows the personnel much better than anyone. What fans think they know and what they really know are two different things. He could believe that this team is set to take off and that it would be stupid to leave. If he built it, why would he want another coach to get the credit?

 

[LoneStarsGhost]

Yes, but Key West isn't a dump.

Originally posted by chinookpirate:

4 points:

- relative humidity in the summer months is higher in Key West on average than in Houston in the afternoons, officially.

- Leach's contract language that caused him problems can be easily fixed in any new contract he might sign anywhere in Texas.

- Houston is a 40,000 student University in a major city with a medical school and many rich alumni. They could quite easily outspend Baylor, WSU and/or TCU if they wanted to.

- right now, Leach could easily jump and throw 'Pullman' under the bus for not doing better while here.

All that said, I don't think he's going anywhere and that he feels a personal need to get this thing figured out. Yes, I believed Dennis Erikson when he swore his allegiance to WSU at a press conference in Spokane minutes before boarding a plane to Miami to become it's new coach, from a press conference at the Miami airport. I also believed Mike Price when he told me there was nothing to worry about regarding the rumors of him taking the Alabama job.

To all you young guys: If Leach should happen to leave, we will hire a new coach just like we did 4 times in 4 years back in the day. The sun will still rise the next morning.

 

[chinookpirate]

it will be a good day on this message board the day you start discussing subject matter and stop with your constant drone of personal attacks, Coug95.

 

[ttowncoug]

Re: Leach isn't stupid


If Leach has 2 more losing seasons (3 straight) we are eating that contract in terms of a buy-out. To me, that's the window. 2 more years.

 

[chinookpirate]

Many of the fans that post here Coug1990 weren't alive when WSU endured 4 coaches in 4 years. Many weren't alive when Dennis Erickson was coach. Simple fact.

There is no

Originally posted by Coug1990
I was also thinking the same thing, as well as the condenscending words about "to all you young guys."

need for you to get all huffy about it.

 

[Coug95man2]

Re: Leach isn't stupid

Boy, a matter of definition. Personally, I wouldn't call that a window… That's like, a garage door… for tractor trailers… pulling a doublewide…

I'd probably agree with your sentiment tho.

 

[Fab5Coug]

How big a dirtbag is Leach if he fires 2 coaches, then turns around and leaves himself a couple weeks later?

Leach strikes me as being many things, but a quitter is not one of them. I really can't see him leaving WSU on anything other than a high note. I just don't think he's going to put up 2 turd seasons out of 3, then running away because the gig is too hard.

If we were coming off our 2nd straight bowl game, I'd be much more worried about rumors like this.

 

[425cougfan]

The reporter who originally started this is backtracking big-time. He's now saying that "he believes" Leach would listen if Houston were to call, and that he "thinks" Houston will call. He "[doesn't] believe it will work."

This is a step fairly far back from what he originally said. The entire thing is ridiculous.

 

[425cougfan]

Originally posted by chinookpirate:

4 points:

- relative humidity in the summer months is higher in Key West on average than in Houston in the afternoons, officially.

- Leach's contract language that caused him problems can be easily fixed in any new contract he might sign anywhere in Texas.

- Houston is a 40,000 student University in a major city with a medical school and many rich alumni. They could quite easily outspend Baylor, WSU and/or TCU if they wanted to.

- right now, Leach could easily jump and throw 'Pullman' under the bus for not doing better while here.

All that said, I don't think he's going anywhere and that he feels a personal need to get this thing figured out. Yes, I believed Dennis Erikson when he swore his allegiance to WSU at a press conference in Spokane minutes before boarding a plane to Miami to become it's new coach, from a press conference at the Miami airport. I also believed Mike Price when he told me there was nothing to worry about regarding the rumors of him taking the Alabama job.

To all you young guys: If Leach should happen to leave, we will hire a new coach just like we did 4 times in 4 years back in the day. The sun will still rise the next morning.

Chinook, can you explain how the contractual language issue could be worked out in a future deal with a Texas entity? My understanding is that the issue was that Leach couldn't sue for enforcement of the contract (or damages) due to sovereign immunity. If you can't sue the counterparty due to sovereign immunity, I don't believe there's a way to "fix" that. Do you have different information?

 

[chinookpirate]

Re: Why is post negative...coaches leave programs all the time

Originally posted by CougEd:
How many coaches have we lost who had a losing record at WSU? Plenty. Many times where there is smoke there is fire. Is that the case here?

This is a pivotal year for leach. And you could say it about any coach with a resume. After three years he could simply say he is leaving for a better gig, and he could point t the market size and the stadium size. He can point to outsiders that the cupboard was bare, and he went to a bowl game and his talent level is so far up that he is leaving the next coach in a perfect position to succeed.

If the go below .500 year four, it becomes his. Will that detract programs from coming to get him? It will put him a precarious position.

And all Chinook said is if a coach leaves, whether it be Leach in this case, Wulff, Walden, Erickson, and Price, it is not the end of the world. A little known guy from Wyoming had a fair amount of success when no one else could at the school.

It is just like when kids transfer out. Since your handle is 95, is that because you were in Pullman in 95? In March of 96 they had a Wednesday that everyone thought was the end of the world. In the fall of 95 WSU had two DT that were freshman who started. Daryl Jones and Gary Holmes. Leon flunked out. WSU's prize recruit on offense was Ricky Austin, who also played. Their best linebacker was a kid named Glover, and all three announced they were transferring on that same say in February. This was done after Price had to take a small recruiting class. If Price had known there were three vacancies, he for sure would have done something different.

Two years later when Jones and Austin are playing for SDSU, and Glover was playing for Utah, the Cougs went to the Rose Bowl.

I personally think his post was about perspective.

Once again, Ed, you're dead on. I was speaking to the plausibility of the Leach to Houston rumor... and the fact we've endured worse here and still ended up being successful.

 

[chipdouglas]

Sounds like it's bogus anyway per Britton et al., but Houston =/= Key West just because of the humidity. One is a hot, dirty parking lot; the other is a verdant tropical paradise.

To the point of the sun rising whatever happens, it always has. Problem is, it always rises on a loser. WSU Athletics have been in the toilet for the near entirety of the modern era. The guy who figures out how to crack that nut is going to become very wealthy.

 

[CougEd]

I heard it as well...he is committed to finishing what he started

he is not use to losing, so he will do whatever needs to be done.

 

[YakiCoug]

Re: Leach's only interest is fixing the problem here...

Originally posted by CougEd:
He has no interest in leaving Pullman. ... Many times where there is smoke there's fire. Is that the case here?"

Wow. Your car is all over the road.

 

[YakiCoug]

Re: Why is post negative...coaches leave programs all the time

Originally posted by chinookpirate:

Originally posted by CougEd:
How many coaches have we lost who had a losing record at WSU? Plenty. Many times where there is smoke there is fire. Is that the case here?

This is a pivotal year for leach. And you could say it about any coach with a resume. After three years he could simply say he is leaving for a better gig, and he could point t the market size and the stadium size. He can point to outsiders that the cupboard was bare, and he went to a bowl game and his talent level is so far up that he is leaving the next coach in a perfect position to succeed.

If the go below .500 year four, it becomes his. Will that detract programs from coming to get him? It will put him a precarious position.

And all Chinook said is if a coach leaves, whether it be Leach in this case, Wulff, Walden, Erickson, and Price, it is not the end of the world. A little known guy from Wyoming had a fair amount of success when no one else could at the school.

It is just like when kids transfer out. Since your handle is 95, is that because you were in Pullman in 95? In March of 96 they had a Wednesday that everyone thought was the end of the world. In the fall of 95 WSU had two DT that were freshman who started. Daryl Jones and Gary Holmes. Leon flunked out. WSU's prize recruit on offense was Ricky Austin, who also played. Their best linebacker was a kid named Glover, and all three announced they were transferring on that same say in February. This was done after Price had to take a small recruiting class. If Price had known there were three vacancies, he for sure would have done something different.

Two years later when Jones and Austin are playing for SDSU, and Glover was playing for Utah, the Cougs went to the Rose Bowl.

I personally think his post was about perspective.

Once again, Ed, you're dead on. I was speaking to the plausibility of the Leach to Houston rumor... and the fact we've endured worse here and still ended up being successful.

Your past screeching that retaining Wulff was essential in ensuring success is well noted. There's the proper perspective here.

 

[Cougsocal]

It is not like he has made us a contender, or that we will be a contender anytime soon. It could be a perfect situation for both. We owe the guy a ton of money through 2018, he may realize he isn't equipped to do a full body off restoration that we require? He saves face and we aren't let holding an expensive bag. We are somewhat better than when Wulff left, with some serious leg work, Moos and a sellection committee, might hit a home run in the perfect fit category.