I call it Lollipop Country. Lame. Listen to some John Prine, Steve Earle, Willie or Waylon if you want some good "country" music.
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This is really it. Stupid they even call it country, it’s pop music with cowboy hats and boots. It’s closer to Taylor swift and Justin beiber than anything else
How did it NOT stimulate immunity (antibodies) to this particular infectious disease or pathogen?
To be determined. If going off the latest and communicating the latest available data falls victim to the, then "latest available data" (doing science) causes folks to not trust "wholeheartedly" (a high barrier to some), then probably not. Otherwise it's what the rest of us would reasonably consider what the process of science IS actually.
Do you agree with jfk that vaccines are the main contributor to the rise in diagnosed autism cases?
Cheese and ****ing rice: you don’t have even a basic understanding of the immune system and how vaccines work.
The entire situation is amazingly complex. When you look at the infection rate of COVID, it flattened out at about the time the vaccine came out in early March and continued to be flat through early July before spiking again. Did a new variant evolve that was resistant to the vaccine? Was there no real correlation in the first place? Who knows? What we do know is that even though most US states did not invoke strong COVID protocols in the second surge of COVID in 2022, the daily death rate did not spike as high as before. This, despite the fact that the actual infection rate soared in that spike. Surveys conducted at hospitals in that second surge showed that the mortality rate was much higher for unvaccinated cases. Does it mean anything? Maybe not.
I've decided that I'm not going to get any more COVID vaccines in the near term. I don't fault anyone who doesn't want to get one now and feels that it's a waste of time. I feel that the odds of catching a serious case of COVID, vaccinated or not, are now low enough that it doesn't make sense to keep beating this dead horse (or getting the vaccination).
That said, I will always have a problem with anyone who shouts about it being poison...because that's just tinfoil hysteria and always has been. There is no statistical data to support the hysteria and there never has been. And I know that people want to yell, "Big Pharma won't let it happen!" And my response is that lawyers looking to cash in would if they could.
I love Steve Earle. Guitar town and Copperhead Road are so great. Think I might just pull up those videos and listen again. Or Hank JR. A country boy can survive. Another great video.
It's been a cluster F over the last 3 years. Glad it's more or less over. But no one can dispute all the deaths that occurred, especially early on. I'm done getting jabbed, as I've said after having 4, the J&J, Pfizer and Moderna shots. Why the F are we still debating this?
Well...that definition is clearly accurate. It's just no more effective than a flu shot, which shouldn't really have been a surprise to anyone, considering its rapid mutation rate.
I recall hearing a couple medical experts (probably Dr Battacharya) fairly early on with Covid talking about the normal life cycle with these viruses was that they typical mutant into new forms and that each mutation is more infectious but less strong. Sounds like that prediction lines up with what you say here, that the infection rate soared in that second surge.
I recall that at the time, they were attributing this - at least in part - to doctors learning how to treat it. That may have played a role, but the reality is that this is what viruses do. As they mutate, they typically become less deadly and often become easier to spread. This is a very simple matter of natural selection - the strains that spread effectively are going to have better survival rates, and the ones that kill quickly will not spread as effectively.
Not sure you are correct with that statement. I have seen/read a couple reports of some studies indicating that the Covid deaths were significantly over counted. Some possibility even up to 50% of deaths attributed to the virus were incorrect.
I'm sure that money wouldn't have anything to do with that, though. Even though hospitals received a much greater amount for those patients that died from Covid.
How does this response of yours relate in any way to your personal claim that the COVID jab wasn't a vaccine? Are you suggesting that "stimulating immunity" is equal to being immune?
And as 95 smartly brought up, do you not believe the flu shot is a vaccine?
This aspect of the pandemic had to have been the most subjective and the least substantiated reporting to take place. There were no controls around this and hospitals were definitely over counting COVID deaths. Why did they do that? Umm anytime the federal government incentivizes doing something, its amazing how much of a response and/or production you will get from said activity. But whatever.... all the Covidians here will brush it off as conspiracy because you know, "The science!!"
Except excess mortality numbers show that covid deaths were most likely under reported. By a lot.
But why let facts get in the way of a good rightwing echo chamber fueled conspiracy theory. Because f**k science and critical thinking.
Yes, I get a flu vaccine every year. I want to make absolutely sure I get the one the experts believe they are countering in the coming flu season. It works every time.
What am I doing wrong? 😆
By the way, I've never gotten the flu when getting a flu shot. Just luck? Maybe so. I only want to mention this to counter this bizarre narrative that vaccines aren't really all that effective (or whatever convenient argument is being made to counter the lie that the government and CDC stated explicitly that if one got the covid jabs, then they would not get covid. Remember that?).
Over 90 percent of the deaths were from the elderly. This is an important fact. I had zero chance from dying of covid.
Z-E-R-O.
Why does every thread I start morph into something totally unrelated? How does Jason Aldean turn into a Covid argument?
Yeah a 50 some year old unvaxxed gal with no other problems who worked with people I knew died of Covid. Bet she wishes she' gotten a jab or 2.
I’m no math wizard, but I’m assuming this statement means you don’t identify as elderly. This statement would also suggest then that you are included in the 10% part of the population that died of Covid. 10%>0%. Does my math check out?
Depends how you define elderly.
About 95% of deaths were people over 50. Over 65, 75%. Over 75, just over 50%. And I suspect that in the 50-65 crowd, the deaths were skewed toward 65, but haven’t seen more granular data.
COVID isn’t flu, but it’s similar. Both are worse for the elderly and the immune compromised. Both mutate quickly and make it difficult to creat an effective vaccine. Both are going to have an annual shot, and both are going to keep killing people.
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Its so normal for 18 year olds to drop on the court from heart attacks. So normal.
*moves goal posts*
*moves goal posts*
FWIW, my office manager's wife almost died from COVID. She was 59 years old, 5'10" probably 140-150 lbs, the picture of health. Eats well and does yoga every day. No health history. Now...you're going to say that she didn't die so what point do I have?
She ended up with cardiac issues after getting COVID and it took a year before she could resume her fitness routine and two years later, she told my wife that she is still weaker than she was before she had COVID. For all of the talk about the "poisonous" vaccine, real people suffered severe side effects from COVID even when they didn't die. I know a half dozen people that died from COVID and yes, every one of them that died was either elderly or had another co-morbidity.
Whether you had a risk of dying or not doesn't mean that you aren't an asshole for not caring that other people died or being unwilling to do something to reduce the risk of people in their position from dying or getting severely ill. I used to be a staunch Republican but the "Me First" selfishness of the conservative right is pervasive in every part of the discussion and has poisoned the well for me. The right's response to COVID could be a landmark study on what it looks like to be an ignorant selfish asshole.
I wasn’t defining it, just pointing out the contradiction. Nobody had zero chance of dying from it. I knew of 2 people personally about my age who died from it and another who was intubated for weeks. Coworkers wife had 4 of 9 family members in the UK who died from it.
Never knew anyone who died from the flu…though I know that happens too.
Just my personal observation from real life, not from news, etc.
vaccines? Fine, still up for debate on effectiveness or if there’s long term health implications or whatever. Just weird to me how people are still trying to act like Covid was the flu. I dunno, maybe those people are isolated enough they never saw someone drop around them. Maybe those people know a lot more people who have died of the flu and I’m an oddity in that regard.
What are you talking about?
There are always exceptions to everything.
And no, you aren't superior and more compassionate as you puff yourself up to be.
And you never were a conservative either.
Talk about a self-righteous, arrogant fool.
Here is a data source...
More than 90% of COVID deaths occurring among elderly adults: CDC
New CDC data shows older adults now make up more than 90% of COVID-19 deaths, the highest share they've accounted for since the pandemic began.
Not really. There were deaths from the non-elderly demographic from those with comorbitities (primarily). That makes up the 10%. I dont have a comorbitity. And before Flatland goes off on a self-righteous rant because he is more compassionate than I am (according to him)...there are always exceptions in life. Yes, a few people died from covid, apparently, who some had no comorbitities. Outside of covid, some people die inexplicably. There is no apparent medical issue. They just die. This is nothing new, and it is rare, despite what Flatland would tell us.
The paradox is that no one died unexpectedly during Covid 2020-2022 and now (young) people dying suddenly is considered absolutely normal.
95 a question for you … granted the window was short before covid mutated to delta, but if everyone got vaxed before June and before delta became the dominate strain would we have the necessary immunity ?
I was fortunate to get great advice and get a great history lesson from a bio ceo. He said look at rev Spanish flu.. the mutation was much more deadly .
He said covid will mutate . The second year would be worse than the first year . The only thing here was wrong about is that he missed how long it would take to get a vaccine . He thought it would be a year .
I downloaded that data. CDC didn't say 90%, and I can't figure out how ABC got there. For the week of November 19, the over 65 crowd made up 86% of COVID deaths...so maybe they took a snapshot that made the headline.Here is a data source...
More than 90% of COVID deaths occurring among elderly adults: CDC
New CDC data shows older adults now make up more than 90% of COVID-19 deaths, the highest share they've accounted for since the pandemic began.abcnews.go.com
But, for the full pandemic (through June 28, 2023), this is the breakdown of COVID deaths by age:
<1: 0.04%
1-4: 0.02%
5-14: 0.04%
15-24: 0.26%
25-34: 1.08%
35-44: 2.64%
45-54: 6.26%
55-64: 13.99%
65-74: 22.44%
75-84: 26.13%
85+: 27.08%
So, more than half of the deaths (53.21%) were people 75+. 75.66% were 65+. 89.64% were 55+. People under 55 were 10.36% of all COVID deaths...and under 45 were 4.1%
The same data set gives the numbers for deaths by all causes. And guess what? The percentages by age for COVID deaths aren't that far off of the deaths for all causes, with the "all causes" percentages being higher until age 45.
Fair enough. Not trying to be a Dick or be argumentative, just thought that statement was a bit of a contradiction.
As for the people directly I knew about, neither of them had preexisting health issues. For the 4 of 9…yes people die, however almost half a family getting wiped out and having the same symptoms prior to death doesn’t jive with “people die”…and the flu while always deadly, doesn’t wipe out half of families in developed countries.
Again, no idea your personal situation or those around you, just using my own observations to come to my own conclusions. I never felt threatened as a healthy person in my 40s, but certainly also didn’t feel invincible when it came to Covid either. Think we are not far enough out from it to not have concerns about long term implications of contracting it and/or long term implications of taking the vaccine. People could be F’d either way or both, and we may not know for another 5-10 years.
Thanks but I already knew that.
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