Mountain West doesn't want us

[95coug]

True. But even several of the schools in the Big 12 and ACC will not be getting the payday that they are now. The entire things is going to be shaken up eventually.

Maybe, but….

CFB is never going to make an effort toward parity like the NFL claims to. There’s zero real interest in that, it’s more about making sure that the teams who have big markets stay popular and keep those markets. There’s also interest in having big matchups between those teams. But, to keep those matchups interesting and relevant, they have to pad the schedules.

There’s far less interest in watching a 6-4 Michigan play a 5-5 Alabama. They want those matchups to be between teams with less than 2 losses so they can bill them as having playoff and championship implications. To do that, they have to make sure that their schedules are filled with winnable games.

Sure, they could have Michigan State play Texas, Alabama, USC, Ohio state, Penn State, etc., and load up on “marquee” games. But that’s going to lead to losses and knock teams down. They’ve got to limit those games and make sure Michigan plays Illinois and Purdue and pads their record. To do that, the Big 10 will need to keep a couple teams around to serve as the whipping boys. Same with the SEC.

There may end up being some dropping teams and shuffling around, but they can’t drop all the weaklings. Every top tier team, in order to remain top tier, has to have teams to beat.

 

[mikalalas]

What F-ing options? We don't have any. No one wants us, and now the MW doesn't want us. Less than optimal deal? There are no deals out there. The Pac-2 is f-ed and are too stupid and self-serving (Teresa Gould specifically) to get it. There is nothing in motion.

If wait until the LAST SECOND, then yes the MWC would probably not want us, probably not want to join, merge with, under PAC, etc.

The PAC can't afford to wait until last second, get caught holding the bag again.

That said, MWC interest might be waning a little tiny bit, but for now, MWC interest is probably not gone yet, and there is probably still time, but not much time.

There is 2 points in the timeline.

1 is the HARD, FINAL DEADLINE, and the time, deadline, etc, that if everything not arranged, etc, then not make hard, final deadline, get caught holding bag again.

It's about 5 months from the deadline Schultz set for final landing spot, and that deadline is BEFORE the DEADLINE.

That means there is about 1 year to arrange something, and to arrange something by, in about 1 year(after about 1 year, it will cost 36 mil per MWC team, if take less then 9 MWC teams, instead of 18 mil per MWC team for less than 9 MWC teams,), then going to have to start, make significant progress in about 6 months, in order to make that deadline, not get caught holding bag, not lose all MWC interest, etc.

So because, according to that, have about 6 months to start making serious progress.

That does not mean that should wait the full 6 months, and does not mean that serious progress has not been made, because leadership has kept some things hidden, secret, close to vest, etc.

If it was up to me, I would wait 3, 4 more months if I didn't have serious progress didn't have final landing place arrangement, etc.

Then after 3,4 more monrhs from now, I would either get SERIOUS PROGRESS, toward final landing place arrangement, an or get final landing place arrangent done within a year, and would start making sure of things, everything, in about 3,4 months, 5 months from now at the very latest.

So because of that, there is still a little time left to be a little semi patient, wait a little, see if things like ACC fall apart fast enough to get WSU, OSU a place fast enough, and if it doesn't happen fast enough then move on from that, and get 6 to 9 MWC teams to whole MWC to join, reverse merge into PAC BEFORE it's too late, 6 months to 1 year from now deadline hits.

We don't know whether leadership is going to get it done in a good way. Everything leadership says is unknown, ambiguous, etc, sounding.

All we can do is wait and see and hope for the best, etc.

It's too soon, etc, to be Chicken little "The sky is falling, fallen, caught holding the bag again".

 

[Meister_Rebel]

If wait until the LAST SECOND, then yes the MWC would probably not want us, probably not want to join, merge with, under PAC, etc.

The PAC can't afford to wait until last second, get caught holding the bag again.

That said, MWC interest might be waning a little tiny bit, but for now, MWC interest is probably not gone yet, and there is probably still time, but not much time.

There is 2 points in the timeline.

1 is the HARD, FINAL DEADLINE, and the time, deadline, etc, that if everything not arranged, etc, then not make hard, final deadline, get caught holding bag again.

It's about 5 months from the deadline Schultz set for final landing spot, and that deadline is BEFORE the DEADLINE.

That means there is about 1 year to arrange something, and to arrange something by, in about 1 year(after about 1 year, it will cost 36 mil per MWC team, if take less then 9 MWC teams, instead of 18 mil per MWC team for less than 9 MWC teams,), then going to have to start, make significant progress in about 6 months, in order to make that deadline, not get caught holding bag, not lose all MWC interest, etc.

So because, according to that, have about 6 months to start making serious progress.

That does not mean that should wait the full 6 months, and does not mean that serious progress has not been made, because leadership has kept some things hidden, secret, close to vest, etc.

If it was up to me, I would wait 3, 4 more months if I didn't have serious progress didn't have final landing place arrangement, etc.

Then after 3,4 more monrhs from now, I would either get SERIOUS PROGRESS, toward final landing place arrangement, an or get final landing place arrangent done within a year, and would start making sure of things, everything, in about 3,4 months, 5 months from now at the very latest.

So because of that, there is still a little time left to be a little semi patient, wait a little, see if things like ACC fall apart fast enough to get WSU, OSU a place fast enough, and if it doesn't happen fast enough then move on from that, and get 6 to 9 MWC teams to whole MWC to join, reverse merge into PAC BEFORE it's too late, 6 months to 1 year from now deadline hits.

We don't know whether leadership is going to get it done in a good way. Everything leadership says is unknown, ambiguous, etc, sounding.

All we can do is wait and see and hope for the best, etc.

It's too soon, etc, to be Chicken little "The sky is falling, fallen, caught holding the bag again".

I think all the talk about Pac12 rebuilding is just pushing Gloria away. Her main responsibility is to keep the MWC together. I can imagine what she thinks every time she hears about the Pac12 wanting to expand with the possibility that MWC teams may be involved. The Pac12 is not doing itself any favors there. She is not stupid enough to let her self be strung along while you're waiting for something better to come along. And, you've also got 12 MWC Presidents who probably don't like being strung along either.

The 12 team CFP that has come along since the breakup of the Pac12 will also make it difficult for the MWC to expand. I'm sure there are MW schools who don't want to make it more difficult for themselves to get into the CFP. That and if the media value of adding/merging with the Pac12 isn't there then what do we gain.

Playing the waiting game doesn't seem to be working. I hope we can figure a way out to merge but, interest does seem to be waning on our side as that CBS article implies. It sucks for me as for personal reasons I want WSU in our conference.

 

[mikalalas]

I think all the talk about Pac12 rebuilding is just pushing Gloria away. Her main responsibility is to keep the MWC together. I can imagine what she thinks every time she hears about the Pac12 wanting to expand with the possibility that MWC teams may be involved. The Pac12 is not doing itself any favors there. She is not stupid enough to let her self be strung along while you're waiting for something better to come along. And, you've also got 12 MWC Presidents who probably don't like being strung along either.

The 12 team CFP that has come along since the breakup of the Pac12 will also make it difficult for the MWC to expand. I'm sure there are MW schools who don't want to make it more difficult for themselves to get into the CFP. That and if the media value of adding/merging with the Pac12 isn't there then what do we gain.

Playing the waiting game doesn't seem to be working. I hope we can figure a way out to merge but, interest does seem to be waning on our side as that CBS article implies. It sucks for me as for personal reasons I want WSU in our conference.

1. The Job of Gloria is to do what's best. Keeping the whole entire MWC conference together is not necessarily best. It can be best if they are not able to join PAC. If they join PAC, it's best if the whole entire MWC does not stay together.

2. The job of the MWC teams is to do what's best for their teams. What's best for the top 6 to 9 teams is to join the PAC, and make the very best conference possible, getting their college, team the most money possible.

3. The top 6 to 9 MWC teams joining PAC, will not hurt their chances to make CFP, it will, would make it slightly better. Currently the 12 team CFP is set up in such a way, that a 12-0, 11-1 AAC champ, could end up going to the 12 team CFP in a given year, OVER, INSTEAD of the MWC 12-0, 11-1, 10-2 champ going to 12 team CFP playoff. That's what MWC could face if the top 6 to 9 MWC teams don't join PAC.

If Top 6 to 9 best MWC teams join PAC and build the best conference possible, and truly be, and would be the best conference behind SEC, Big 10, Big 12, then that conference, not the MWC conference, would ALWAYS HAVE THEIR 12-0, 11-1, 10-2, maybe even 9, 10-3 conference champ goto the 12 team CFP. Their would be NO, ZERO chance of a 12-0, 11-1 AAC, or other G5 champ being selected over, instead of the top 6 to 9 MWC teams in PAC champ.

Also the top 6 to 9 MWC teams would get better bowls then the LA BOWL, Idaho Potato Head bowl, and more money, prestige, etc, from those better bowls, if they join PAC, leave the bottom of MWC behind.

Gloria's Job, is to do what's best for for the MAJORITY of the MWC teams as a group, over the BOTTOM DWELLERS of the MWC. That means that when, if the top 6 to 9 teams join PAC, and leave BOTTOM behind, then SO BE IT to Gloria Job wise.

If Gloria impeded, stops, doesn't facilitate, etc, the top 6 to 9 MWC joining the PAC, when, if she, Top 6 to 9 MWC, etc, have that opportunity, to join PAC, then she would be guilty of NOT DOING HER JOB.

SDSU understood, understands ALL this.(Everything I said so far in this post), That's why SDSU tried to get the top 4,5, 6 MWC teams plus the top 1,2,3 AAC teams to Join PAC, WSU, OSU, after the 10 left the PAC.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

It is really just a Power 2. The ACC and Big 12 are not close to the same level and it is just going to get worse. In a few years, even several team in the Big Ten and SEC will be left behind which will just leave a Power 1.

Good point there, 1990.

 

[UberCougars]

Quite honestly, why at this point does it matter?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

I think all the talk about Pac12 rebuilding is just pushing Gloria away. Her main responsibility is to keep the MWC together. I can imagine what she thinks every time she hears about the Pac12 wanting to expand with the possibility that MWC teams may be involved. The Pac12 is not doing itself any favors there. She is not stupid enough to let her self be strung along while you're waiting for something better to come along. And, you've also got 12 MWC Presidents who probably don't like being strung along either.

The 12 team CFP that has come along since the breakup of the Pac12 will also make it difficult for the MWC to expand. I'm sure there are MW schools who don't want to make it more difficult for themselves to get into the CFP. That and if the media value of adding/merging with the Pac12 isn't there then what do we gain.

Playing the waiting game doesn't seem to be working. I hope we can figure a way out to merge but, interest does seem to be waning on our side as that CBS article implies. It sucks for me as for personal reasons I want WSU in our conference.

What really sucks is that nobody has patience any more. Anyone with any shred of objectivity knows that the only reason why OSU and WSU can't say anything publicly is that they could end up forfeiting the better part of $250+ million dollars if they do. Nobody is stringing folks along out of spite or cleverness, it's because we have no other choice. I'm not going to claim that OSU and WSU have the MWC's best interests in mind but 99% of what we are reading on the internet is BS that people are making up because they want to keep yelling things until they get feedback that they are right in their guess.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

What really sucks is that nobody has patience any more. Anyone with any shred of objectivity knows that the only reason why OSU and WSU can't say anything publicly is that they could end up forfeiting the better part of $250+ million dollars if they do. Nobody is stringing folks along out of spite or cleverness, it's because we have no other choice. I'm not going to claim that OSU and WSU have the MWC's best interests in mind but 99% of what we are reading on the internet is BS that people are making up because they want to keep yelling things until they get feedback that they are right in their guess.

As far as the $250M goes. We already have $65 million, and are spending it on operations. The $50/year in Rose Bowl money is in the bag for FY24-25, as is the several million in promised CFP money and our 1/6 NCAA BB allocations.

So, if we were to jump to a new conference in FY25-26, we probably would/will lose the 2nd $50M in RB money, and the majority of the $40M-ish in BB money. If we jump in FY26-27, $30M in BB money goes out the window. Which is seeming likely and we should resign ourselves to that.

Relative to the MW, it seems that the reverse merger won't happen, unless we promise to fold up the Pac-2 offices and install Gloria as Alaska Air PacMtn-14 Commissioner. Of course Teresa won't want that, but she will be out of a job within 2 years no matter what happens. So any decisions she will try to push (like the Pac-2 silliness) will likely be based on preserving her job and will involve spending all of our money along the way. Depressing on all fronts.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

As far as the $250M goes. We already have $65 million, and are spending it on operations. The $50/year in Rose Bowl money is in the bag for FY24-25, as is the several million in promised CFP money and our 1/6 NCAA BB allocations.

So, if we were to jump to a new conference in FY25-26, we probably would/will lose the 2nd $50M in RB money, and the majority of the $40M-ish in BB money. If we jump in FY26-27, $30M in BB money goes out the window. Which is seeming likely and we should resign ourselves to that.

Relative to the MW, it seems that the reverse merger won't happen, unless we promise to fold up the Pac-2 offices and install Gloria as Alaska Air PacMtn-14 Commissioner. Of course Teresa won't want that, but she will be out of a job within 2 years no matter what happens. So any decisions she will try to push (like the Pac-2 silliness) will likely be based on preserving her job and will involve spending all of our money along the way. Depressing on all fronts.

Agree that this is depressing on all fronts. When you look at how pathetically small the MWC money is, we almost have no choice but to hold out for a couple years.

My biggest hope for WSU is that the B1G and SEC get so full of themselves that they finish wrecking the Big 12 and ACC and we can just exist in whatever mid-level realm that is left.

 

[95coug]

Agree that this is depressing on all fronts. When you look at how pathetically small the MWC money is, we almost have no choice but to hold out for a couple years.

My biggest hope for WSU is that the B1G and SEC get so full of themselves that they finish wrecking the Big 12 and ACC and we can just exist in whatever mid-level realm that is left.

Wild idea that will never fly:

WSU and OSU both have broadcasting schools. The Pac-12 Network had a lot of broadcasting equipment that's no longer being used. Put equipment in Pullman and Corvallis. Let students broadcast the games. Don't ask them to do commentary and analysis, just set it up to livestream. Maybe they can do a studio halftime show. Maybe sync up the livestream with the radio broadcast and us that.

Set it up on YouTube TV or something and let it be paid content. Sell some ads.

It doesn't have to be millions of dollars, because the overhead is pretty low. We also don't have to pay a bunch of network execs and middle men - all of the money goes to WSU and OSU.

 

[PeteTheChop]

Wild idea that will never fly:

WSU and OSU both have broadcasting schools. The Pac-12 Network had a lot of broadcasting equipment that's no longer being used. Put equipment in Pullman and Corvallis. Let students broadcast the games. Don't ask them to do commentary and analysis, just set it up to livestream. Maybe they can do a studio halftime show. Maybe sync up the livestream with the radio broadcast and us that.

Set it up on YouTube TV or something and let it be paid content. Sell some ads.

It doesn't have to be millions of dollars, because the overhead is pretty low. We also don't have to pay a bunch of network execs and middle men - all of the money goes to WSU and OSU.

Wonder if this is one of the ideas that AD McCoy and Commissioner Gold alluded to on Brand X that could be a game-changer?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Wild idea that will never fly:

WSU and OSU both have broadcasting schools. The Pac-12 Network had a lot of broadcasting equipment that's no longer being used. Put equipment in Pullman and Corvallis. Let students broadcast the games. Don't ask them to do commentary and analysis, just set it up to livestream. Maybe they can do a studio halftime show. Maybe sync up the livestream with the radio broadcast and us that.

Set it up on YouTube TV or something and let it be paid content. Sell some ads.

It doesn't have to be millions of dollars, because the overhead is pretty low. We also don't have to pay a bunch of network execs and middle men - all of the money goes to WSU and OSU.

I am all for gutting what's left of the Pac-2 Network pretty damn quick if it can't show some profit potential.

That said, my friend 95, the rest of your post makes me question the wisdom of legalizing pot in Washington. Or if perhaps you are in Oregon right now, mushrooms.

 

[95coug]

I am all for gutting what's left of the Pac-2 Network pretty damn quick if it can't show some profit potential.

That said, my friend 95, the rest of your post makes me question the wisdom of legalizing pot in Washington. Or if perhaps you are in Oregon right now, mushrooms.

Hey, I said it would never fly.

But internalizing somehow and cutting out the middle man seems like a plan. And really, most of us have frequently said we’d rather listen to the radio than to the TV wonks, so…

 

[Meister_Rebel]

Wild idea that will never fly:

WSU and OSU both have broadcasting schools. The Pac-12 Network had a lot of broadcasting equipment that's no longer being used. Put equipment in Pullman and Corvallis. Let students broadcast the games. Don't ask them to do commentary and analysis, just set it up to livestream. Maybe they can do a studio halftime show. Maybe sync up the livestream with the radio broadcast and us that.

Set it up on YouTube TV or something and let it be paid content. Sell some ads.

It doesn't have to be millions of dollars, because the overhead is pretty low. We also don't have to pay a bunch of network execs and middle men - all of the money goes to WSU and OSU.

According to this article all that broadcasting equipment is going to be used:

Exclusive: Pac-12 Commissioner Teresa Gould on surprises, Pac-12 Enterprises and more

'Pac-12 Enterprises will be producing a couple hundred events for OSU and WSU, including 11 football games on the CW,' says Gould

247sports.com

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Hey, I said it would never fly.

But internalizing somehow and cutting out the middle man seems like a plan. And really, most of us have frequently said we’d rather listen to the radio than to the TV wonks, so…

Cutting out the middleman? You mean Lucky Pierre? (me). Oops, wrong thread....

 

[Loyal Coug1]

According to this article all that broadcasting equipment is going to be used:

Exclusive: Pac-12 Commissioner Teresa Gould on surprises, Pac-12 Enterprises and more

'Pac-12 Enterprises will be producing a couple hundred events for OSU and WSU, including 11 football games on the CW,' says Gould

247sports.com

Thanks Meister. I had not seen that yet. BTW, that site is known as Brand X over here. Lots of good shit, but they suck otherwise. 'Ol Teresa actually had some coherent, if vague thoughts. But Gawd I would much rather look at Gloria than her. Just sayin'......

 

[PeteTheChop]

From the new Pac-2 commissioner via Brand X:

"I guess maybe there's two things that I've been really, really pleased about. I'd say first and foremost, I've been really pleased with and inspired by the fight and the passion and the enthusiasm of these two communities.

I'm not sure that was a surprise because that's kind of a hallmark of the Cougs and the Beavs, that kind of feisty, gritty fight that your communities have. And I love that. I love that. I know Anne McCoy talked about it as 'warriors.' And I think that has been consistent in these two communities, and that has been alive and well since I've taken over the helm over the last 100 days.

Sounds like Klinkoff's former understudy is as enthusiastic about the direction of the conference as AD McCoy

 

[95coug]

From the new Pac-2 commissioner via Brand X:

"I guess maybe there's two things that I've been really, really pleased about. I'd say first and foremost, I've been really pleased with and inspired by the fight and the passion and the enthusiasm of these two communities.

I'm not sure that was a surprise because that's kind of a hallmark of the Cougs and the Beavs, that kind of feisty, gritty fight that your communities have. And I love that. I love that. I know Anne McCoy talked about it as 'warriors.' And I think that has been consistent in these two communities, and that has been alive and well since I've taken over the helm over the last 100 days.

Sounds like Klinkoff's former understudy is as enthusiastic about the direction of the conference as AD McCoy

Enthusiasm without planning or direction. Cool.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

From the new Pac-2 commissioner via Brand X:

"I guess maybe there's two things that I've been really, really pleased about. I'd say first and foremost, I've been really pleased with and inspired by the fight and the passion and the enthusiasm of these two communities.

I'm not sure that was a surprise because that's kind of a hallmark of the Cougs and the Beavs, that kind of feisty, gritty fight that your communities have. And I love that. I love that. I know Anne McCoy talked about it as 'warriors.' And I think that has been consistent in these two communities, and that has been alive and well since I've taken over the helm over the last 100 days.

Sounds like Klinkoff's former understudy is as enthusiastic about the direction of the conference as AD McCoy

Not sure what you would expect to hear. Is she going to come out talking like Eeyore? Fact is (as 95 just posted), no evidence of planning or direction from either one of them. No facts or anything else.

 

[PeteTheChop]

Not sure what you would expect to hear. Is she going to come out talking like Eeyore? Fact is (as 95 just posted), no evidence of planning or direction from either one of them. No facts or anything else.

Maybe the Big 12 and ACC commissioners have suggested Dr. Schulz, the lady at Oregon State and their key staff members don't do anything that might give away future plans?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Maybe the Big 12 and ACC commissioners have suggested Dr. Schulz, the lady at Oregon State and their key staff members don't do anything that might give away future plans?

Or maybe the Big-12 and ACC Commissioners aren't even taking our calls - if we are indeed even trying to call them to share our amazing storminess. Add Gloria to that as well I suppose. But all is well in Pac-2 land.

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[Loyal Coug1]

So since the Pac-2 leadership tells us a bunch of nothing, what is the Mtn West up to? Read on.

What Big East's new TV deal tells us about Mountain West's upcoming negotiations

The Big East announced today a new six-year media-right deal that will run through the 2030-31 season and includes a partnership with Fox Sports, NBC Sports and

nevadasportsnet.com

 

[Meister_Rebel]

Bump. This place is getting buried by crazy fkn advertisements.