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Several WSU coaches, USUALLY have gotten good stats from lower HS, community college, JC, D2, Big Sky, WCC lower then P5, PAC 12, MWC, WSU, etc, level(s).
There are rare exceptions.
USUALLY WSU coaches USUALLY don't get low Stat at lower levels freshmen from the lower levels.
There are exceptions, and usually the exceptions usually don't do well at higher levels.
There are exceptions to that as well.
When JRUE Holiday was a one and done after ONLY ABOUT, AROUND 7.5 ppg, 3.5 rebounds per game, 2,3,4 assist per game, 2 steals per game as a higher level UCLA, but lower level then the NBA, was a EXCEPTION. AND A EXCEPTION that did well at, in the higher level NBA.
USUALLY the NBA does not draft draft lottery picks from the lower college level, that have LOW STATS like Jrue Holiday had at a lower the NBA level, lower level. And USUALLY IF IF the NBA does draft a LOW STAT, from the lower then NBA level, like a Jrue Holiday low Stat, USUALLY they don't do as well as those that had higher stats, and got drafted.
There are exceptions, but those exceptions are not the norm.
And even the weakest, weaker NBA, PAC 12, P5, MWC, etc, teams, like the WSU types, USUALLY recruit high stats over low stats, and USUALLY don't get, don't USUALLY get, recruit LOW STATS, at the lower levels.
There are exceptions, and those exceptions usually don't do as well at higher levels, and there are exceptions to that.
And if they do get a low Stat, USUALLY it's a low Stat player like ABOUT 7 foot 1, ABOUT 267 POUND Jim McIlvane, etc, from a equal or better level, etc.(Sonics got him from a equal or better level then the sonics at the time. He had bad stats, but had a fierce reputation as a fierce RIM PROTECTOR, that supposedly ate up space in the middle of lane, close to basket, that blocked a lot of shots. They thought that was more important then his LOW, BAD STATS, and not surprisingly HE SUCKED on the sonics team.)
Did Isiah Watts have bad stats at the lower highschool level? NO. IF Isiah Watts had had bad stats, at the lower HS, lower then College, WSU, PAC 12, etc, level, etc, would Smith have recruited him? NO, would most other coaches have recruited him? NO
Since Isiah Watts had lower, bad stats, at the college, WSU, freshman level, was he Isiah Watt recruited by a higher level? NO? Why not? Because he had low, bad stats his college, WSU freshman year, season, at the lower then higher level, lower level WSU.
Yes he Isiah Watts was another exception recruit, player that had good stats at a lower level then WSU, MWC, WCC, P5, PAC 12, etc, that did not have good stats during his college, WSU, P5, PAC 12, etc, freshman year, season, at a higher level.
One USUALLY shouldn't go by an exception. There are exceptions to that too.
Players that have bad stats usually don't do as well at the higher levels as those that have good, better stats, whether they are freshman, etc, and usually coaches don't recruit those that have lower stats at lower levels, even if they are only freshman, etc, except for exceptions.
There are exceptions, like competition levels, not being able to successfully recruit higher stats players, etc.
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And before anybody says that WSU coaches don't, can't recruit, beat out others for higher stats players, etc, there have been PLENTY of SUCCESSFUL, even less, non successful WSU coaches, that have successfully recruited a lot of higher Stat players, recruits, from the lower levels, lower then WSU, MWC, WCC, P5, PAC 12, etc, levels.
The last WSU coach who did that was Kyle Smith, who was very successful at WSU.
Some here still think that in order for a WSU coach to be successful, they have to pull a Dick Bennet, and recruit lower level players that either have low stats, that nobody else wants, that are lower minutes players, recruits at the lower levels, that nobody else wants, and project them, develop them, help them shine by their Junior Season, after a low Stat, bad Stat, bad freshman m, etc, season, through the use of Dick Bennet Ball, etc, and then turn them into GOOD PLAYERS, RECRUITS, by their Junior year, through the use of DICK BENNET BALL.
Keeping in mind how bad WSU was when Dick Bennet took over the dumpstire fire, created by last coach.
Even if your dropping down a level to the WCC, MWC level. Even if you are losing whole team to NIL, Transfer Portal, because of Schultz, Chun, Ann, etc.
Smith built something awesome at WSU, and had built WSU into a Semi Quasi Semi Power, at the minimum.
WSU basketball was at the similar junction, fork in the road as WSU football was when Price won 3 straight 10 win seasons.
If V Lane Rawlins, AD had played the cards right, WSU probably would have built a truly special football semi blue bloodish level program over the next about 5 to 10 to 15 years, etc.
WSU basketball was at that 3 straight 10 win season like junction, fork.
All WSU, Schultz, Chun, and even Riley had to do is the following:
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Kyle Smith wasn't wrong when he said he had built the program to the point, that if Jim Shaw, or Henderson, or a better coach then Riley had taken over program, some, more then only Isiah Watts, would have stayed, formed a core to build around. Yes some would have still left. But not as many.
But what was done was done, it is what it is.
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Even if everyone but Isiah Watts, or Even if Isiah Watts were to leave, etc, Smith has built WSU basketball up in the last 5 years, that even if drop WSU basketball to WCC, MWC, etc, level, WSU would still be a GIGANTIC FISH, P5, PAC 12 LEVEL BASKETBALL PROGRAM AT THE WCC LEVEL, BECAUSE OF SMITH BUILDING WSU BASKETBALL UP, AND BECAUSE OF REPUTATION, ETC, that even a lesser then Jim Shaw, Henderson, etc, HC in Riley, etc, should be able to recruit 2.5 stars, 3 stars, 3.5 stars, 4 stars, etc, starters, situational starters, 6th men, etc, with GOOD STATS, from the lower then WSU, WCC, MWC, HS, Community College, D2, JC, Big Sky, WAC, Big West, MAAC, Sun Belt, etc, levels.
He shouldn't have to go get PROJECTS, and PROJECT, DEVELOP, LOW STAT BENCH PLAYERS, WHETHER FRESHMAN, ETC, FROM THE LOWER THEN WSU, WCC, MWC, ETC, HS, COMMUNITY COLLEGE, JC, BIG SKY, WAC, BIG WEST, MAAC, SUN BELT LEVELS, PLAYERS THAT USUALLY NOBODY ELSE, NO OTHER EQUAL OR HIGHER LEVEL HC, RECRUITER, SCOUT, ETC, WANTS, AS IF HE RILEY IS DICK BENNET, USING DICK BENNET BALL TO REBUILD AT WSU AFTER A LEN STEVENS, KEN BONE, ERNIE KENT, GRAHAM, ETC.
The reason why Smith had to Project, take some Projects, low Stat players, recruits, etc, whether Freshman, etc, his 1st year, etc, was BECAUSE HE WAS TAKING OVER, TRYING TO FIX ERNIE KENT'S DUMPSTER FIRE AT WSU.
By Smith's either 2nd, or 3rd year, he was building, recruiting GOOD STAT players, recruits, and recruiting, GETTING 3.5 STARS, 4 STARS, ETC, INSTEAD OF 1.5 STAR PROJECTS, THAT HAD LOWER STATS, ETC, AT LOWER LEVELS.
Is Riley taking over for a GRAHAM, STEVENS, KENT, ETC? If he was, I would be ok with him taking a LOW STAT AT LOWER LEVEL FRESHMAN ABOUT 17 MINUTES PER GAME BENCH PLAYER VAVER PROJECT. It would be understandable if Smith, Dick Bennet, Riley, etc, did that after a GRAHAM, STEVENS, KENT, ETC.
Schultz, Chun, Ann, etc, FCKING UP, and lose almost whole entire team for a season, doesn't have to overturn the REPUTATION SMITH BUILT. RAVELING, SAMPSON, SMITH, A GOOD HC, SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO USE THAT GOOD REPUTATION, TO TALK, ETC, TO HIGHER STAT, HIGHER NUMBER OF MINUTES, WHETHER FRESHMAN, ETC, LOWER LEVEL PLAYER, RECRUIT, THAT OTHER BIG SKY, WAC, BIG WEST, MAAC, SUN BELT, WCC, MWC, ETC, PROGRAMS THAT AFTER THE BETTER STATS, MORE MINUTES, WHETHER FRESHMAN, ETC, AND BEAT OUT, GET THOSE PLAYERS, RECEUITS FROM THE HANDS, CLUTCHES OF OTHER BIG SKY, MWC, WCC, WAC, BIG WEST, MAAC, SUN BELT, ETC, PROGRAMS, BECAUSE OF THE GOOD REPUTATION, ETC, THAT SMITH BUILT.
Basically Smith had built it up so good, that even if WSU, drops down to WCC, MWC, etc, and almost everyone leaves, etc, that any decent coach should be able to spend 1,2 seasons RELOADING, with 2.5 stars, 3 stars, 3.5 stars, 4 stars, players that have GOOD STATS, at the LOWER LEVELS, that are not bench players, that don't have about 16 minutes, that are not PROJECTS, that don't have to be projected, that are not 1.5 star, 2 star, at the lower levels, whether freshman or not.
Yeah if Riley had gotten 2.5 stars, 3 stars, 3.5 stars, etc, instead of PROJECTS like Vaver, yeah the first 1,2 years of the RELOAD, would likely have been between 10 to 12 to 14 to 16 wins, but by year 2,3 the win total would probably be about 15 to 17 to 19 to 21 wins.
That's better then grabbing Vaver's REBUILDING, NOT RELOADING, ABD HAVING ABOUT 3 TO 5 TO 7 WINS THE FIRST 2 YEARS, THEN MAYBE 10 TO 15 WINS 3RD YEAR, 16,17,18 WINS 3RD YEAR, 19, 21 WINS 4TH OR 5TH YEAR. HMMM WHICH WAY IS LIKELY BETTER? IS THE BETTER WAY DOABLE? YES. BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT SMITH BUILT UP THE WSU BASKETBALL PROGRAM, JUST LIKE RAVELING, SAMPSON, PRICE(Football, 3 straight 10 win seasons, etc)
WSU is at a fork, junction in road because SMITH BUILT IT, just like the V Lane Rawlins, Price situation, WSU, Riley, etc, can either play their cards right, build something truly special, just like Doba, etc, could have done after Price, if had played cards right.
But so far WSU, Schultz, Chun, Ann, and Riley is probably playing cards wrong by recruiting PROJECTS, and thinking he has to try to REBUILD with PROJECTS, Vavers, instead of probably could RELOAD with 2 5 stars, 3 stars, 3.5 stars, instead of 1.5 star, 2 star PROJECTS like Vavers.
I don't think Riley is as bad as Wulf was, but so far Schultz, Chun, Ann, Riley, either have pulled so far, or are currently pulling A DOBA in Basketball, at WSU.
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