You got that right.
And you also said Wulff would've gone 8-4 in 2011 which meant an Alamo Bowl.
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And you also said Wulff would've gone 8-4 in 2011 which meant an Alamo Bowl.
I think it depends on the NCAA hammer or lack there of. Guarantee that’s been used against them just like Rolo’s status.
Oh...I said 8-4...interesting. I said Wulff would go bowling, and there were 8 winnable games on the schedule. But what does my inaccurate prediction about getting to a bowl game have to do with pointing out Price was cheap and they got to the Rose Bowl?
BTW, what I didn't know is their starting QB would go out. Yaki it is ok to come out of the closest. No one will show the John Clayton look, I promise.
They have fired staff. Has a decision on Herm been made? Do they have the NCAA breathing down their necks for recruiting violations?
Pss...not a Palm Springs of Washington guy if that is any comfort.
Jeff Tuel won as many starts as WSU starting QB in 4 years as JDL has in 10 games on the roster.
A second Wulff era but that is woke seems to be the inevitable (preferred?) outcome by state Cuog media covering this team.
If I may go Dblithers on you...what is Cuog media? I certainly cant makes sense out of the the typo. I understand Tuel's record, but again, not sure what my comment about Price being cheap and successful?
Cuog is meme regarding sign held up at game that misspelled Coug. Specifically Brand X and Brand Y, Jim Moore, Puckett/Furness, and other idiot celebrity Coug alums looking for a signal boost or payday.
Price was cheap and successful. But was also passed over during Walden and Erickson hires (only if Erickson turned down WSU job). He was a finalist with Walden & Dick Beechner who were also on Powers staff.)
Why? Immature and lack of gravitas. Same issues that popped up a bit in 1989-1990. And in the few months he was at Alabama.
The media (John Blanchette & Blaine Newnham) smelled blood in the water as did Paul Firebaum (then a local Bama media guy) in 2003.
Price survived his first two years - go read a Blanchette column from that period and see nothing much has changed.
Part of the reason Walden involved himself in the 2007 coach search was to provide Sterk with cover to block Price's return.
Again, what does bringing up Tuel and Wulff and what you think I predicted record wise have to do with hiring cheap and having success. Floyd, Moos and Sterk were the decision makers in all of this. Walden was just a guy who had no power voicing an opinion.
Walden had zip to do with Price not coming back. Nothing. Price leaving as he did had everything to do with it.
And that's fine. Lots of coaches have uncertain job security. Doesn't mean you can fire them with cause.
If it got a point where WSU couldn't physically host recruits, or he literally couldn't get on a plane to go do an in home, then yea, absolutely. Can't fire a guy with cause just cause recruits are saying "no thanks".
Is recruiting part of the job? At what point as an AD do you look at what is going on with recruiting and when you see total failure, pull the trigger?
Saying “no thanks” is a huge problem.
You don't understand the difference between termination for cause and termination without cause.
Price wasn't in the running for the WSU when Walden or Sarah's dad Dick was up for the gig when Powers left. He was two years I believe from being a grad assistant. What do you believe was on his resume that said he was more qualified than Walden? Nor was he serious consideration when they had Pinky's son on the radar and he had so much success at Idaho. Price got the gig when Dennis left and even he recommended price for the job.
Cause (maybe): refuses to meet with recruits at all, shows up inebriated (repeatedly) to in-home visits, moons Shulz in meeting to discuss topic, tells staff not to sign anyone because an asteroid is coming and they need time to build a rocket ship to escape earth, and then, in fact, signs zero or very few recruits at all despite room in the class.
Without cause: signing relatively few recruits, or recruits that we or anyone else doesn't think are good enough to comprise a Pac-12 signing class, due to our laypersons' evaluations of their highlight reels, their other offers, or their ratings on recruiting sites, even if we think (and it's reasonable to infer) that at least in some cases, the poor recruiting owes to his vaccine status.
Without cause: signing relatively few recruits, or recruits that we or anyone else doesn't think are good enough to comprise a Pac-12 signing class, due to our laypersons' evaluations of their highlight reels, their other offers, or their ratings on recruiting sites, even if we think (and it's reasonable to infer) that at least in some cases, the poor recruiting owes to his vaccine status.
I always find it interesting that some Coug fans hate Jeff Tuel so much. The dude played in the NFL. He didn't last long, but he played and was on a roster. It's not his fault that he was on a crappy college team. John Elway never played in a bowl game. He must have sucked too, right?
FWIW, because I know that some of the posters on here can't help themselves, let me clarify that I am no way stating that Jeff Tuel is the equal of John Elway....so cool your jets, you witty sumbitches. Just saying that straight wins and losses isn't any way to directly compare QB's.
Agreed on Tuel. Even the bad quarterbacks get joked about, but Tuel (and sometimes Brink) are loathed by some. I can't help but question those fans' football intelligence if they can't parse what was going on with the team in general.
I have no issue with Tuel. He was more talented than great, but he wasn't the problem with those football teams. Brink is the most frustrating QB I've seen in school history. Guy disappeared in non-Apple Cup 4th quarters and kept us out of bowl games because he was never able to win the extra game necessary. And it would have meant a lot of the program to have a little bit of postseason.
You kinda prove the point.
Two of Brinks years the Doba defense gave up 31+ ppg on average. That means for ever team they held to 14 (the cup cakes), they gave up 38 to someone else (if not more),
The leadership was poor during the Brink years, top to bottom, soup to nuts. No one knew how to win, and it showed.
Add in that Harrison ran for 1,900 yards on one of his teams and it’s even more brutal. I think Brink had all of the tools, but he was a QB who pressed because he felt like he needed 7 on every drive and probably didn’t get the best coaching either. Missed opportunities galore for those teams with him as the field general but still a Coug legend in my book winning 3 ACs.
Jerome Harrison has a beast. Jason Hill was also a monster. Michael Bumpus and Brandon Gipson were NFL guys. Jed Collins. Troy Bienemann. Even Dwight Tardy was pretty good.
But when the team needed on more score to seal away the game...
they always needed one more score because the defense wasn't stopping anyone with a pulse.
Aaron Rodgers he wasn't, but he wasn't the worst qb we ever had. Just not clutch (outside of the AC).
I don’t think anyone really disliked Tuel, let alone “loathed” him. I think you’re mistaking hating the situation with hating the player.
The above post implicates that Tuel was the reason the teams won only 4 games, as comparison the JDL who now has more under his belt.
There have been posts in the past debating his value as a quarterback and/ or his 'worthiness" as an NFL quarterback, with some incessantly insisting that "HE'S NOT AN NFL QB" despite, you know, the fact that he actually was an NFL qb who even started a game, the implication being that he wasn't talented enough to even deserve consideration by any NFL team.
There is no doubt that the position is integral to the game and there are definitely some stinkers out there (the NFL is rife with them right now), but there are also times when you have to look at the totality of the situation.
He may be projecting his prejudging Robert Barber's guilt and denying his civil rights because he disliked his coach's political beliefs.
Tuel was simply wildly overrated by the Wulff widows. Lobster also ties him (or edges him if partial credit for ASU start that CH finished) in career wins as WSU starter.
Speaking of hatred, we have a young QB in JDL who has received a ridiculous amount of criticism (or message board hatred), and we're talking about a kid who had no Fall camp in 2020, caught COVID, missed Spring Ball due to a stupid DUI, has dealt with a QB carrousel early this season and the nonstop RoloVax drama.
Lost in all of that is that, as (basically) a true/RS freshman, he's won at Oregon State, played a lights out game vs. Oregon last season, rallied us for a "should've" win vs. Utah State, staked us to a nice lead vs. USC (and Utah last season), won at Cal, and beat the 1st place P12N Beavers. Still, people on here "hate" the kid and sit like tigers (cougars) in trees, waiting to pounce on every bad pass the kid makes.
Tuel lost almost every game he played in throughout his career at WSU. Not his fault, and no, he doesn't deserve the vitriol he receives on message boards; but the negativity surrounding his name is at least justified by his W/L record.
JDL, on the other hand, has won what? 3 conference games already, and had it not been for complete defensive collapses against Oregon, Utah, Utah State, and his injury vs. USC that kept him out of the Utah game, he'd likely be looking at anywhere from 5-6 P5/G5 wins in his first 9 starts. What's the record for true / RS freshman QB wins at WSU all-time?
Message board "hate" is unfortunately a part of bigtime sports, and is often times completely off base.
Lost in all of that is that, as (basically) a true/RS freshman, he's won at Oregon State, played a lights out game vs. Oregon last season, rallied us for a "should've" win vs. Utah State, staked us to a nice lead vs. USC (and Utah last season), won at Cal, and beat the 1st place P12N Beavers. Still, people on here "hate" the kid and sit like tigers (cougars) in trees, waiting to pounce on every bad pass the kid makes.
Tuel lost almost every game he played in throughout his career at WSU. Not his fault, and no, he doesn't deserve the vitriol he receives on message boards; but the negativity surrounding his name is at least justified by his W/L record.
JDL, on the other hand, has won what? 3 conference games already, and had it not been for complete defensive collapses against Oregon, Utah, Utah State, and his injury vs. USC that kept him out of the Utah game, he'd likely be looking at anywhere from 5-6 P5/G5 wins in his first 9 starts. What's the record for true / RS freshman QB wins at WSU all-time?
Message board "hate" is unfortunately a part of bigtime sports, and is often times completely off base.
Price had been a full time coach on the WSU staff since then end of Sweeney. GA days predate that.
Basically WSU interviewed 3 members of Warren Powers staff and picked Walden - seemed like "not this crap again" list of candidates, AD just wanted it over with.
The list of candidates came from Walden's book. (Doesn't seem to be a Mike Price fan if you read the book).
Well there's a shocker. Who likes winning and success?
Look, I get the lovable loser mentality if you're a fan (not really, but for argument's sake). But if your job is connected directly to a W/L column why the hell is anything less than success acceptable outside of a rebuild situation?
This obsession with "doing IT the right way" - what the hell does that mean? What is "IT"? Rebuilding a program? Because I'm pretty sure part of the hiring conversation, if not all of the conversation, revolved around winning games.
Maybe the security of losing or mediocrity is easier for some because it lacks the stress and pressure of having to win and compete and then do it all again the next year. Whatever, I guess. Maybe find a new profession?
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How old was Price in 1977? Just curious. You believe he should have been a candidate?
He WAS a candidate. And it was 1978 when he was 32 years young.
Jackie Sherrill coached WSU at age 33 in 1976.
Price probably too immature.
Biggest problem on those teams was conditioning, especially on D. They just couldn't play 4 quarters. Several times in 2004-05 particularly, we went into the 4th with comfortable leads and lost.
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