Off-topic again - OMG Mich. State

[mikalalas]

I want to lead with the fact that I agree with you that there are times where the desire to accommodate transgender people can be unfair to the general population in ways that need to be re-evaluated. The whole discussion around pronouns could have been reasonable but instead it morphed into a dogmatic persecution of people who aren't biased...they just don't care about the discussion at all. And the transgender sports issue is a huge problem that creates an inequity against women that shouldn't even be a discussion.

So, I'm not in complete opposition to some of your thinking.

However, the whole "mental illness" part of your opinion is founded on outdated and ignorant thinking. Hell, if you feel that way, you likely feel that gay people also have a mental illness. It can quickly turn into anyone who doesn't think and feel the way that you do is mentally ill. Now that I think about it, back in the "good old days", they used to try to beat left handed people in schools to teach them to let go of their mental illness that kept them from being "normal". At the end of the Medieval period, left handed people were executed for the crime of using the wrong hand. Biology is a crazy thing and dismissing someone that is different as "mentally ill" is lazy and unethical.

We as a society need to find a balance between treating others with respect while also respecting everyone else's feelings. It doesn't need to be a zero sum game but too many people try to make it one.

Your wrong in your wrong opinion, the SCIENTIFIC FACTS are against you in regards to the mental illness of Transgenders.

There are 3 types of Transgenders. 1. Are those who have the MENTAL ILLNESS of, called GENDER DYSPHORIA, by the medical, science, pyschological experts, community.

Gender Dysphoria is where a person PRETENDS or BELIEVES they are the OPPOSITE biological gender, sex then the biological, gender, sex, they were born with. AKA if they were born with a penis, and no vagina, a male, etc, they ERRONEOUSLY believe they are a female, etc. Or if they were born with a Vagina, female, no penis, etc, they ERRONEOUSLY believe they are Male, etc.

2. The 2nd type of Transgender, which is extremely rare, are those people born with either both a penis, vagina, male, female, or equal amount of Estrogen, Testosterone, and male and female chromosomes, etc.

3. The 3rd type of Transgenders are those who like to cross dress, pretend, AKA Drag queens, etc.

Gender Dysphoria, and the Drag queen or pretender type of Transgenders are about 99% of Transgenders.

In that sense, way Transgenders are NOT like gays, same sex attraction whether either born that way, etc.

Most Transgenders are like the Transgender Friend I know, where he came out as gay. He liked crossdressing as a dragqueen. And 13 years after coming out as gay, he came out as Transgender.

Now if Transgenders either believe or pretend, think that they are opposite gender then what they are born with, that's fine if they IDENTIFY as that. They should be loved, treated with respect, etc.

But they shouldn't try to force people to participate in their FANTASY, DELUSION, ETC. AKA they shouldn't force people to call them a SHE, when they ARE a HE, and Male Transgenders with penis's should not play title 9 sports against females, and should not use the bathrooms, lockerooms of females for health, safety, female RIGHTS reasons.

It's also a SLIPPERY SLOPE, as where is the CRAZYNESS going to stop. If someone IDENTIFIES as a HORSE, are we going to have to cater to them the same kind of way that almost have to cater to Transgenders?

Transgender, or Gender Dysphoria, or IDENTIFYING or saying I IDENTIFY, etc, as the opposite gender then what born with, is a MENTAL HEALTH DISORDER, ILLNESS, and nothing like being gay, same sex attraction, except for that both gay and transgenders are sometimes wrongly discrimminated against.

And nothing you say or think will change that.

You can call a blue sky red all you want, and it would still be a blue sky, not red.

FACTS ARE FACTS, and do not change because you disagree, etc.

 

[95coug]

I want to lead with the fact that I agree with you that there are times where the desire to accommodate transgender people can be unfair to the general population in ways that need to be re-evaluated. The whole discussion around pronouns could have been reasonable but instead it morphed into a dogmatic persecution of people who aren't biased...they just don't care about the discussion at all. And the transgender sports issue is a huge problem that creates an inequity against women that shouldn't even be a discussion.

So, I'm not in complete opposition to some of your thinking.

However, the whole "mental illness" part of your opinion is founded on outdated and ignorant thinking. Hell, if you feel that way, you likely feel that gay people also have a mental illness. It can quickly turn into anyone who doesn't think and feel the way that you do is mentally ill. Now that I think about it, back in the "good old days", they used to try to beat left handed people in schools to teach them to let go of their mental illness that kept them from being "normal". At the end of the Medieval period, left handed people were executed for the crime of using the wrong hand. Biology is a crazy thing and dismissing someone that is different as "mentally ill" is lazy and unethical.

We as a society need to find a balance between treating others with respect while also respecting everyone else's feelings. It doesn't need to be a zero sum game but too many people try to make it one.

I wouldn't say 'mental illness,' but there's recent evidence that there's a prenatal developmental influence - based on exposure to certain proteins at certain developmental stages - that lead to variations in the way the brain develops, and those variations are much more prevalent in gay people. There's a lot of ambiguity still - and I can't find the article I read about this in - but it seemed to make some plausible connections.

Then again, researchers used to think it was all about testosterone, so maybe it's all wrong still.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

No idea what you are talking about. I haven't defrauded the government. You want to see a picture of the plane in those made ups stories? While I do have a very creative mind why would I make up stories on a WSU message board? You know how nuts that is?

I have told you about my racial make up? Interesting.

Do you always have these severe issues with following a written conversation? Did I accuse YOU of defrauding the government? Show me where I stated that.

I told you your stories mean nothing. I have no idea if you are making them up.

Racial makeup? I don't care what it is. I know you are Caucasian though.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Well it is impossible for me to repent and ask for forgiveness if I don't know the names of the people I supported to kill. Trust me you have zero idea my feelings on abortion other than it aint my body, and if you go to a Jewish predominate religion in the US ( cause you wanted a religion back in school why not Judaism?) then what those people do with their bodies are between them and their God.

You keep going on the moral high ground statement. I don't care if you think I have moral high ground or not. Your opinion truly means zero to me. You are a name on a message board. I have discussions with you. You have told me what I believe and what you think I believe.

I don't think someone who is gay is mentally ill. But trust me there was that thought and still might be.

Wrong. You don't have to know the names of people you wronged. That is just a false statement.

By the way, if you don't care what I think then why don't you ignore me? I must be in your head.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

As you may have had to do, you filled out the paperwork. Or helped out the CFO. The feds had a plan to hand it out but never a plan to collect it back.

If you had a good paperwork person you were first in line. People in one industry were getting upwards of 9 mill. capitalism at its best..

No, it wasn't capitalism. It was our corrupt government attempting to financially compensate businesses who were victimized for their idiotic lockdown decrees. That is more like communism.

Capitalism is dead in the US due to our corrupt government now supporting policies that encourage "too big to fail" actions from the Fed and our representatives.

Remind me again, how many business leaders did the Obama administration prosecute and send to jail after the Great Financial Crisis?

Capitalism died in this country years ago.

 

[CougEd]

Wrong. You don't have to know the names of people you wronged. That is just a false statement.

By the way, if you don't care what I think then why don't you ignore me? I must be in your head.

Gotta say this is rich.....I did go back to the 30th of last month. You care to guess how many times you referenced my name in a post without even being part of it...8. You know how many times since Sunday 5. Yeah, you must be in my head alright.

Well I can't apologize to the family and say I am sorry for wronging a person for a choice they made. Get me the names and I will start writing cards.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Gotta say this is rich.....I did go back to the 30th of last month. You care to guess how many times you referenced my name in a post without even being part of it...8. You know how many times since Sunday 5. Yeah, you must be in my head alright.

Well I can't apologize to the family and say I am sorry for wronging you for a choice they made. But get me the names and I will start writing cards.

What family? That was an awkward sentence Ed.

Funny you call me obsessed but you keep responding to me...so who is obsessed.

One can apologize to anyone they have wronged. You don't need to know the name of the person to do that slippery Ed.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

What family? That was an awkward sentence Ed.

Funny you call me obsessed but you keep responding to me...so who is obsessed.

One can apologize to anyone they have wronged. You don't need to know the name of the person to do that slippery Ed.

WTF is wrong with you? Are you really a Coug? Your BS vitriol is getting ridiculous. Get a F-ing life dude.

 

[CougEd]

WTF is wrong with you? Are you really a Coug? Your BS vitriol is getting ridiculous. Get a F-ing life dude.

Loyal you may get another free brew after all.

 

[CougEd]

What family? That was an awkward sentence Ed.

Funny you call me obsessed but you keep responding to me...so who is obsessed.

One can apologize to anyone they have wronged. You don't need to know the name of the person to do that slippery Ed.

Ah yes How did ED get in my head.....obsessed. You post my name and post a response yes I wil respnd to get clarity. You don't want to give me clarity so I get it. It's ok, you are "trans" fixed on my opinion on abortion and transgender.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Loyal you may get another free brew after all.

Well Geezus Christ. I may post some toxic shit, and you are often off the charts with your inane posts, but this asshole is just a f-ing jerk. Kind of like YakiCoug. Hell, maybe it's him.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Ah yes How did ED get in my head.....obsessed. You post my name and post a response yes I wil respnd to get clarity. You don't want to give me clarity so I get it. It's ok, you are "trans" fixed on my opinion on abortion and transgender.

You don't want clarity Ed. You just want to ask all the questions (with very dishonest motives) to avoid having to answer questions. That is the way slippery Ed operates.

It doesn't really matter to me what your opinion is on anything. I am simply calling you out for your inconsistencies and irrational thought processes. You are like a majority of people in this country. You don't think for yourself and allow the lying corporate to "think" for you.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

WTF is wrong with you? Are you really a Coug? Your BS vitriol is getting ridiculous. Get a F-ing life dude.

Vitriol? I'm calling out slippery Ed. He seems obsessed with me. Otherwise, he'd ignore me.

 

[Stretch 74]

As you may have had to do, you filled out the paperwork. Or helped out the CFO. The feds had a plan to hand it out but never a plan to collect it back.

If you had a good paperwork person you were first in line. People in one industry were getting upwards of 9 mill. capitalism at its best..

That is not capitalism at its best, it is BIG Government at it's worst, throwing money all over the place trying to make many people happy in order to buy their loyalty and votes.

 

[CougEd]

That is not capitalism at its best, it is BIG Government at it's worst, throwing money all over the place trying to make many people happy in order to buy their loyalty and votes.

Whose votes was Trump trying to get, whose loyalty? Or Bush when he put TARP together? I think it is much simpler and less about getting votes, at least short term.

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

Well Geezus Christ. I may post some toxic shit, and you are often off the charts with your inane posts, but this asshole is just a f-ing jerk. Kind of like YakiCoug. Hell, maybe it's him.

Pot meet kettle?

Why are you asking what is wrong with them then immediately posting that, calling him an asshole and an effing jerk? Hello? Anyone home?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Pot meet kettle?

Why are you asking what is wrong with them then immediately posting that, calling him an asshole and an effing jerk? Hello? Anyone home?

Oh I forgot to include you. Sorry for the oversight.

 

[Observer11]

That is not capitalism at its best, it is BIG Government at it's worst, throwing money all over the place trying to make many people happy in order to buy their loyalty and votes.

It's a convergence of the two.

Big corporate interests buddying up with big government.

By definition, it's closer to fascism than socialism.