Oregon State, Washington State Will Expand to the Big 12 Or ESPN Loses $320 Million
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Be interesting to see how this all works out, as much as people criticized the admin at WSU, when you are not wanted your options are limited. Now through a Mr. Magoo like scenario, WSU and OSU might have more options than they even imagined.
FYI....that "locked on" guy is a fuggin' clown who doesn't know anything. A month ago, he was saying on his "show" that the Pac-12 was arrogant and he specifically said that he didn't want Oregon State in the Big 12. Last week, he was 99% sure that the ESPN and Fox were working behind the scenes to get the Cougs and Beavers into the Big 12. His speculation the last couple weeks isn't off base, but he knows less about what's going on than we do....which is that we know nothing.
Yeah, because everything this site has had before has been so reliable.
I'm not even going to bother watching it.
It was a different clown that was making the 99 percent prediction. That clown's name was Big 12 Mafia. This clown's name is Immaculate.
Given the number of subscribers, this is clearly fledgling channel.
Clown or no clown, we have an overwhelming popularity status out there. Right now.
If you read all the fans chiming in, leaving comments....the vast majority, if not all.....feel we deserve and wants us (and OSU) to be apart of the Big 12 or B1G.
All of this noise is helping us tremendously, as I have no doubt we'll eventually get in, (the Big 12).
If you read all the fans chiming in, leaving comments....the vast majority, if not all.....feel we deserve and wants us (and OSU) to be apart of the Big 12 or B1G.
All of this noise is helping us tremendously, as I have no doubt we'll eventually get in, (the Big 12).
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Maybe this isn’t how it ultimately goes down but it does make sense. I don’t think he’s fudging the numbers. If the Pac remains a conference and there’s an agreement in place contractually, tough shit, pay up. I don’t doubt we are holding some good cards right now, just a matter if the networks, departing teams want to fight it - WSU and OSU to B12 would probably be path of least resistance…and the numbers make sense for the Big12 too. I think this is where it’s all leading, and it’s a tell to me that we are continuing with projects of huge financial obligation.
Yea, this "Immaculate" guy has 400 followers, so...grain of salt.
Also, I thought a conference couldn't exist with just 2 teams.
We have a two-year grace period, per NCAA. After that, the minimum membership requirement is 8.
Right. So for two years we can keep the conference and still be a “power 5” within the language of the CFB Playoff…basically what this guy is saying no?
Never thought about if we can "retain the "Power 5 status" in 2024 and 2025. As you know, this is never happened before.
We're just a bunch of posters on a fan base message board. Not legal council.
"We're just a bunch of Polka bums". John Candy, Home Alone, (1990).
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My understanding is that the CFP is separate, not controlled by the NCAA. So even if the NCAA allows us to remain a conference, the other CFP members (the P4 conferences) can take away our automatic berth and payouts.
And, of course, they would.
I am in a wait and see mode...but I have a more optimistic outlook on our future than many. Just my gut feeling.
I think we have a good hand, a good brand that people want to see do well ..and at the end of the day, this whole thing is pissing off the football gods.
I just don't see us getting the shaft
It requires a unanimous vote and Schulz has a vote.
Yea, I just read that somewhere. Thanks for the clarification.
So, for now, that makes a ton of sense. I guess the only risk is you don't want to piss everyone else off so much they blackball you from the P4 conferences after that 2 year grace period.
ESPN's legal department has much deeper pockets. Probably worth it for them to fight this if it gets out of paying $320 million out for WSU and OSU to split amongst themselves.
Can ESPN's legal department overcome a Whitman County judge?*
*Asking for a friend
I haven't seen the requirement for a unanimous vote for CFP. Some of the earlier articles on realignment indicated that it was possible for the other conference to revoke our P5 status.
So you’re saying Schulz should stay away from windows and not drink any tea?
Guess who is IN CHARGE of the CFP committee?
PRESIDENT KIRK SCHULTZ is the CFP committee chairman according to the Locked on show, etc, other sources, etc.
That means that if the CFP wants to end the P5 status of the PAC, that Pres Schultz can probably say no, successfully stop it, IF IF PAC is rebuilt with the BEST G5's.
And that probably means that Pres Schultz can probably TEMPORARILY buy the PAC 1,2 years of remaining P5, during which time the PAC might be able to rebuild.
But if the PAC just takes everybody in MWC, including the worst MWC teams, then probably not even Pres Schultz, would then be able to stop the CFP from downgrading PAC to G5.
It looks more and more that the old expression, "Look before you leap" was not followed in the PAC meltdown...apparently the school presidents were so busy cutting their own deal behind the curtain, they did not have time to think or the benefit of having smarter people who actually knew what they were doing to handle this. And now, based on all that we have seen, they are all over a barrel. I have no idea how this will play out. It will settle, somehow, rather than go to court. Will the settlement include funds from ESPN and/or Fox to let us buy our way in to the B12? Who knows? But I think that I know at least one thing. If/When ESPN's legal staff determines that they are hosed, they will do all they can to avoid an open court situation...because open court situations cannot be managed. Settlements can be managed, even when the terms of the settlement are not strictly monetary. But in a court, ESPN would be ceding control to the legal system. Were I in their shoes I would fight like h*ll to stay out of court unless I was dead certain of winning. And from what I can see, they cannot possibly be dead certain of a win. In fact, it looks like their odds are less than 50/50. Look for a settlement that may include conference membership somewhere instead of cash.
exactly, wherer are all of the fire schultz people now? apparently he isn't such a bumbler after all
Probably hanging out with the Ward is a horrible QB people.
Haha. Don’t forget the “Dickert isn’t a proven coach” people and “Chun is a terrible AD” people.
Have to agree. A couple weeks ago he indicated that we were the traditional doormat of the conference, that had little to offer and that OSU was carrying us forward. Today, he did a 180, trumpeting up our viewership, better than anyone in the remaining Big 12 ( not accurate either), and that we were carrying the Beav's in any future deal. Geez, if you can't spend 5 minutes looking at "sports reference" before broadcasting, you are just lazy and uninformed.
The basic flaw in this new analysis, is that though the networks have purchased a media product, the playoffs, why would they still be concerned with what the NCAA does with that money? When you buy a car, are you concerned with what the dealership does with your money? What happens to the playoff money is a HUGE deal the power 5 schools. This is an internal battle that has yet to come, and why we likely retained Wall Street counsel.
Shultz did deserve to be fired as one of the reasons that WSU ended up in the situation to begin with.
And altho things would have probably eventually, gradually ended the same way, had Schultz, others had been more aware, done the things they should have, etc, that didn't excuse Schultz's failure to at least TRY to do the things he should have done.
But even tho Schultz screwed up, Schultz has REDEEMED himself, by doing what he has done since, after he screwed things up.
And because he Schultz has WAY MORE then REDEEMED himself, then now HE SHOULD NOW NOT be fired.
But just because Schultz has done AWESOME RECENTLY, and REDEEMED himself RECENTLY, and because of that, now should not be fired, DOES NOT MEAN that he DID NOT SCREW UP EARLIER, did not deserve to be fired earlier at that time.
Things can, do change. A coach can go from being on the extreme hotseat, about to be fired, to being a hero that gets a pay raise.
Schultz was, or should have been on the hot seat, and now he should not be on hot seat, and is doing awesome, and things have changed, like things can change.
Exactly, espn has already budgeted that money, it is spent. Where it goes is not their concern
I don’t think we know either. What Schultz did and how he may have contributed to this shit show and what he’s doing now to save WSU from losing P5 status is still a big unknown. We know there were 11 other presidents and 2 commissioners who are responsible for where we are at. We know that legal action is being taken. That’s about it.
I certainly don’t blame people for the Fire Schulz calls. This was such a massive F up, or better yet a culmination of F ups that everyone should be fired. If all of the presidents and the two commissioners reported to the same institution and I was in charge I’d fire all of them. Then I’d expect someone to fire me.
But that’s not how any of this works. So we need to be patient and trust the process. And it doesn’t hurt to keep winning as well.
As we all know, the power 5 schools will stab each other in the throat over a nickel and a stick of gum, so what will happen to every dime of the playoff money will be an up coming a pay-for-view "death match." I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to disband the NCAA in an effort to keep the Pac-12 share out of our hands.
Dif you see the fumble? Yeah, amazing. How many games to get there? 37 starts, a new coach and finally - finally the mistakes have slowed to 1. We will see what happens this week. Does he get better? Or does he regress?
He is not a national level qb. He is not a Heisman caliber qb. That would be hype only seen in Colorado…
🤡. I’m predicting zero mistakes this week and a perfect QBR. And guaranteed we stay undefeated. Come back Sunday and tell me I was wrong.
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All the prominent, famous so called EXPERTS, STATS, QBR ratings, rankings, NFL scouts, etc, disagree with you.
Cam Ward, is about the 4th best QB in Nation, STATISTICALLY, YARDS, TD'S, COMPLETION %, QBR, lack of INT'S, lack of turnovers, etc.
Cam has been Offensive player of the week once, and NATIONAL offensive player of week once this season, so 2 weeks, 2 games out of 4 games.
And Cam is doing this against a tougher schedule, better defenses.
And Cam is getting national HEISMAN BUZZ, and is 4,5,6 on the National HEISMAN watch list.
And Cam is projected to leave early to NFL draft, and go no later then 2nd round in draft..
But go ahead, continue to be like Baghdad Bob, that said wasn't getting invaded as invasion troops made bunny ears behind his head.
Go ahead, call the blue sky red all you want, as it won't change the blueness of the sky,just like you can wrongly say Cam sucks, but like the sky is blue thing, won't change that Cam is a AWESOMELY GOOD QB.
You really need to seek help.
Drew Bledose played for years in the NFL and in his junior year, he threw 14 interceptions. It was a different time and TD/INT ratios were closer back then...but still....he gave the ball away more than one time per game.
Ryan Leaf....a Heisman finalist and future NFL player, was sacked and fumbled on a 4th down play against ASU in 1997 that ended up being a 69 yard TD run. He threw double digit interceptions in both his sophomore and junior years.
Tom Brady threw over 200 interceptions in his NFL career.
Football players are human beings and they all make mistakes. They miss reads, they throw picks, they fumble the ball. I was critical of Ward last year because he failed to meet expectations. His YPA was pathetic and our scoring production was the lowest it had been since 2012. He deserved criticism. You sound like a moron when you say that he is not playing at a high level this year. He's still flawed....but he's getting love from people that actually know football...not whatever rugby hybrid that you coached 3,000 years ago.
Back to the original topic $320 million. First of all, as I recall a month or so ago, when it was initially brought up we heard that the Pac 12 had a lot of money sitting around, 400 million or so was the number back then, and many agreed there was money laying around, we all got excited about a windfall, and then many other talking heads said there was nothing, so our excitement over money being left over subsided a little. Our President came out and said, there wasn't money left over, while he continued to obtain clarification on the voting rights of the conference and quietly started to put together a legal team. At the time I figured there had to be some funds available and thought that maybe our President was attempting to divert attention away from the funds, and to get the departing schools to simply move on. And if that was the case, this was his first smart move in over a year. Then our commissioner tried to call a quick meeting with all the members, which made me realize there probably was some money somewhere, the reasoning "employee retention" was a smoke screen. The departing schools just woke up and realized they might be leaving money on the table and tried to call a quick meeting to cut themselves a deal. At which point our President had a legal team in place to deal with the issue, a high-priced firm, which again suggests a lot of money.
So now it looks like the tables may have finally turned in our favor? who knows, but things are looking a little brighter. As Cindy Lauper said, "Money Changes Everything."
So now it looks like the tables may have finally turned in our favor? who knows, but things are looking a little brighter. As Cindy Lauper said, "Money Changes Everything."
Biggsy, what are your thoughts on Chun at this time?
His promotion of Coach Dickert from interim coach to HFC seems to have turned out well with the Cougs undefeated and up to 16th this week in the AP rankings
They’ve played 4 games. Good start. But not exactly 4-0 the ‘27 Yankees. There are quite a few teams on the schedule this year that were terrible last year. Very winnable games. Can he run the table against them? Hope so. Could be a big year.
Chun still sucks.
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