You seriously want to argue moving goal posts? Pot meets kettle dude. And that's the polite way of saying it.
Oregon State, Washington State Will Expand to the Big 12 Or ESPN Loses $320 Million
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What do you think the odds are that Biggs will claim that his criticism of Ward was Ward's inspiration to improve, or some BS like that?
You know what's so awesome about the Wulff team(s) sucking early on? They still beat the fuskies.
Again... 2008 = 2000GREAT
I dont think the Cougars were still all time garbage in 2011
Using these standards, WSU has never had a competent QB.
I almost feel bad for Wulff because that 2011 team was certainly a huge upgrade from the debacles in 2008 & 2009. I'm grateful that he couldn't get it turned around in 2011 because it gave us Mike Leach and WSU is far better off with the years that we got with Leach compared to anything that Wulff would have accomplished.
Nah. We will be 6-0 and top 10 going into Oregon, Ward will throw a pick, we will lose by 3, 41-38 and Biggs will be thumping his chest with “I told ya so. Ward isn’t it and Dickert is a MWC coach!” And he will sleep well.
A woman that's a four is significantly more attractive than woman that's a one. But the fact remains they're both ugly.
I'm not putting Ward over Gesser right now either. From raw physical talent, sure. For the sum total of talent and intangibles that make a good QB, no.
Gesser was a leader and made his teammates better. He also benefited from a pretty strong supporting cast, but they fed off each other and refused to lose. There were several games during his time that most WSU teams would have rolled over and lost, but he dragged the team to a win. In my mind, the only WSU QB who's ever done that as well as Gesser was Minshew (and GM probably surpassed JG). Haven't really seen that from Ward yet, at least not with any consistency.
Ward has played well through 4 games. Much better than last season. My concern right now is that 2 of those games were against opponents that were outmatched from the opening kick. The other 2, with competitive opponents, Ward (and the rest of the offense) disappeared in the 2nd half. I'm concerned about that relating to coaching, playcalling, and execution...but our completion percentage, yardage, and 3rd down efficiency all go way down in the 2nd half, so those things look like execution problems. That's not necessarily all on Ward, but a QB who's a leader finds a way to get the offense moving again. Maybe he did that last week, but I need to see it more consistently before I believe in it.
Feel free to point out how I've moved goalposts. Someone referred to him as "young guy" "early in his career" and I pointed out that he's neither...and was met with the 'half his career doesn't count because it was somewhere else.' Yet even without that half of his games, his experience is comparable to where some of our best were.
Someone also referred to how efficiently he's run the offense, so I documented that he really hasn't done that either...at least not for more than a half.
Of course not. Think about it this way. How were we thinking about Leaf or Bledsoe in comparison to other WSU greats 4 games into their Jr years. They both had ok sophomore years on relatively mediocre teams but there was a lot to be excited about. Then they wrote the rest of their chapters with huge apple cup wins, historic bowl games, etc. So yeah he has a lot more to do before he’s on the Mount Rushmore of WSU QBs but I’d also call someone a dumbass for being overly critical of Leaf 4 games into his record breaking season. It was pretty clear at that point he’d made huge strides and the team had a chance to do something special on his back. Let’s see if Cam can accomplish something similar.
Regarding :54 mark: That was my hunch. I asked myself....how in the world, (besides winning, playing good football, and playing in sold out Martin Stadium), is Dickert getting all of these good verbals? He's probably (telling the the recruits covertly) "we're going to the Big 12....they're working out the details, we're not going Mountain West, and we're presently in negotiations with the Big 12 committee and Commissioner".
I really believe this is true and happening. Yes, I'm getting my hopes up, because....WE ARE GOING TO THE BIG 12, period.
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I was willing to can him after the USC game in 2008...and then the next week after the Stanford game. 20-some years without being shut out, and he did it twice in 2 weeks.
2011 gave him a 4th year, and a full season with a roster that was mostly his own, but we still weren't even mediocre. It looked like we were approaching it, but the truth is we only beat teams that were awful (Idaho State, UNLV), really bad (Colorado), or that had quit (ASU). Idaho went 2-9 in FCS, so that wasn't an accomplishment. UNLV was 2-10 in G5, so that's not impressive. Colorado went 3-10, and we needed a last minute TD to beat them, even when they didn't have a healthy DB in the game. ASU was a bowl team (6-7), but by that time they had already quit on Erickson, and we still we needed a record-breaking performance from Halliday to win.
Our losses were no longer embarrassing, but most games were still not really competitive, and were over by the end of 3. We were trending upward, but the improvement was so gradual that it would be ruined by graduation. Our ceiling was probably 7 wins, and that only once every 6-8 years. Even if Leach wasn't available, it was time for Wulff to go.
Good find! Yes I’m of the same opinion I think this is what’s being said not only on the football recruiting trail but elsewhere within our athletic dept. I think it’s expected this is going to be the result. I find it hard to believe we’d be pulling in kids with UW offers unless they were comfortable with the future of the program.
This combined with the other tell, there’s no slowing down of capital projects like the IPF, has me believing this is going to happen.
No, that's a separate debate. The number of games was refuting the "young, early career" assertion. Second half production is refuting "how efficiently he's run the offense"
I'll grant that Ward has cleaned up (but not eliminated) the freshman mistakes from last season. I will not grant that he's playing great and running the offense well...at least, not until we see him do it for a full game against an opponent with a pulse.
I'm not refusing to include Ward's bad tendencies, but the majority of my analysis is a direct comparison to who I've seen him play against.
Penix is great, but you have to consider that he's older and throwing to multiple NFL receivers, but he's still great. Caleb Williams at USC is also great. Not much shade to throw at him. Outside of those two guys, who else in our conference would you rather have at QB? Bo Nix? Maybe, but I'm not convinced he's better. Prime's son? No, not yet.
Man, if you want to critique someone, start with the kid we saw last week with Oregon State. Consensus 5-star and former #1 recruit. That kid can't throw anything other than a deep ball, and he's bad in two conferences. How long do the Beavs stick with him?
We plucked Ward from Incarnate Word in the FCS. He ran a Wing T offense in high school and averaged 12 pass attempts/game. Sam Houston State and Houston Baptist turned him down after he attended their camps. His options were JC ball or Incarnate. We were in Pullman the past 3 weekends, and 2 of those we got to storm the field. Ward was amazing with the kids. Signing jersey's, posing for selfies, saying Go Cougs to everyone he ran by. I don't know how anyone can root against a kid like him. He's the embodiment of everything our program has stood for over the years. A true diamond in the rough.
I think if recruits were being told that, they'd tell their friends, who'd tell their friends, and it would be out in public. Dickert is probably telling them that we're still planning to be a P5 team, and they know that their verbals don't really mean anything. If they have good senior seasons, other teams are still going to call and they can switch. Until then, they've got an offer locked down.
That brings up another thing to bitch about. WTF is up with storming the field? I can maybe sort of understand with Wisconsin, but OSU? Pretty sure it happened twice when I lived in Pullman - after the Snow Bowl and after the '97 Stanford game.
It's kind of like an old school coach's advice: act like you've been there before.
"Separate debate" = moving the goal posts. Nice try.
Next I suppose zero interceptions will be deemed failing.
Gee, what a surprise. You want to complain more.
Why not storm the field after every game, win or lose. It's the last season of the Pac-12. Who gives a shit?
Paul Wulf bad is PAC 12 teams losing to Semi bad FCS teams.
Cal, Stanford, ASU are going to be 1-11, 2-10, 3-9, etc.
That is at least semi Paul Wulfish.
The point is that WSU is not going to lose to a 1-11, 2-10, 3-9, etc, Stanford, Cal, ASU team.
Yes ASU made it semi close vs USC, but for, between some to a semi lot of the game, USC pretty much SEMI CONTROLLED the game, and STILL WON.
Cal, ASU, Stanford is NOT going to beat a USC, UW, Oregon, WSU, OSU, UCLA, CU.
They might get LUCKY, or one of the above teams might overlook, take them lightly, and because of that, they might make 1,2,3 games very close, an or might even miraculously even upset one of the top teams by 1 point, etc, BUT 99.999% of the time, WSU and the other top teams are going to not only win, but win easily or at least semi control the game while winning.
Even Paul Wulf went 1-11, almost won some games, made some games close, etc, but 99.99% of the time Paul Wulf not only lost, but got beat easily.
During most of the 4 games so far, Stanford, Cal, ASU have USUALLY gotten destroyed, except for the USC game, etc.
WSU is not some 4,5,6 win team this season that can, will get beat by Stanford, Cal, ASU, semi Paul Wulf types.
This is a 8-4, 9-4, 9-3, 10-2, 11-2 team with a good defense and a HEISMAN contender, that's not going to lose vs a semi Paul Wulf, 1-11, 2-10, 3-9, Stanford, Cal, ASU team.
Here are some examples of Paul Wulff bad: (1) never crossing midfield; (2) going an entire season without leading a game in regulation; and (3) ranking in the bottom three in total offense, total defense, scoring offense and scoring defense two years in a row.
Plus....I get a sense that it's quiet in the FOB and the Office of the President. Chun and Shultz are quiet. Nothing is done until the contract is signed.
It feels that before this football season is over....we will have clarity.
But let's pause for a moment. How grateful, how thankful can we be at our performance? Here we're in an epic storm, with the dissolution of the Pac-12. If we were 1-3, or even worse...0-4, it would be an uphill battle.
But because we have Dickert, (who is also a salesman), we're 4-0, we have Ward, we have a buzz, we have good TV Ratings, everyone in College Football is directly or indirectly talking about us, everyone wants us to stay Power 5, (except Gloria Nevarez), we're getting publicity up the Ying Yang, we beat Wisconsin and OSU, boat raced CSU, we've been on national TV twice.....basically the stars are lining up.
A big thanks we're not 0-4, or 1-3!
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Semi Paul Wulff. Now all I can picture is Paul Wulff making a beer run from Texarkana in a Smokey and the Bandit remake (yes of course he’s picking his nose along the way).
and (4) needing fluke turnovers and long returns to scratch out last-minute wins against FCS and bad G5 teams
Yeah, that IS good advice, but the Cougs just won the PAC 2 championship last weekend. Good enough reason for me.
Totally disagree. College kids love it. Football players love having everyone come out and telling them how much they are loved.
To me... it's one of the most special things about WSU / WSU Football.
World is against us and we win... and celebrate.
Im indifferent. I don’t see a reason to get upset about it, but doesn’t mean I’m running onto the field. If people are having a good time and not getting into altercations with the losing team go for it. Like I’ve said before this is getting to be the norm and we may see the day when Alabama fans storm the field after beating Tennessee Chattanooga. It’s heading in that direction like it or not.
Possibly making up for getting caught with your pants down, which he clearly was (BOR meeting topic/presentation), doesn't mean he wasn't caught with his pants down. Pearl Harbor happened, even though the USA ultimately prevailed.
Well in "old school" they didn't have your team ripped away from you. They may be the biggest games ever if they lead us to a conference invite.
As a 3 point underdog when you’re also ranked? That’s barely an upset. Especially in week 4 when the rankings are based on whims and expectations.
Not following this. Biggs coaches college football (on Saturdays)? I thought he worked at the high school level
Scrape these piece of shit posters off the bottom of your shoes. Don’t bother with them.
Agreed. Much better off soaking up analysis from the resident experts on QB play, coaching, and stadium expansion economics.
Biggs coached at a college level that was so low that high school football was tougher.
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