Pat Chun accused of verbal assault...by a Pullman councilman.

[HCoug]

Aside from the perceived physical threat detailed in the police report, Chun needs to hope that WSU employees under his influence don’t cancel or withhold business from Sorensen, a local businessman. That would be simple to document, and it would leave Chun under a cloud of suspicion regardless of whether he directly encouraged them to cancel or not.

It appears that Chun has foolishly put himself and WSU in an untenable position. I wonder what the fate of a WSU coach or student athlete would be who committed acts of bullying and intimidation against a local businessman, as is alleged against Chun in this case.

To me, it’s not a question of criminality. Rather, the issues this brings into question are the judgement and integrity of the man who leads the athletic department. WSU needs to have a thorough investigation and take appropriate disciplinary action if the allegations are borne out.

 

[WillieThePimp]

Aside from the perceived physical threat detailed in the police report, Chun needs to hope that WSU employees under his influence don’t cancel or withhold business from Sorensen, a local businessman. That would be simple to document, and it would leave Chun under a cloud of suspicion regardless of whether he directly encouraged them to cancel or not.

It appears that Chun has foolishly put himself and WSU in an untenable position. I wonder what the fate of a WSU coach or student athlete would be who committed acts of bullying and intimidation against a local businessman, as is alleged against Chun in this case.

To me, it’s not a question of criminality. Rather, the issues this brings into question are the judgement and integrity of the man who leads the athletic department. WSU needs to have a thorough investigation and take appropriate disciplinary action if the allegations are borne out.

Um yeah, whatever. Sorensen is a clown.

 

[95coug]

Aside from the perceived physical threat detailed in the police report, Chun needs to hope that WSU employees under his influence don’t cancel or withhold business from Sorensen, a local businessman. That would be simple to document, and it would leave Chun under a cloud of suspicion regardless of whether he directly encouraged them to cancel or not.

It appears that Chun has foolishly put himself and WSU in an untenable position. I wonder what the fate of a WSU coach or student athlete would be who committed acts of bullying and intimidation against a local businessman, as is alleged against Chun in this case.

To me, it’s not a question of criminality. Rather, the issues this brings into question are the judgement and integrity of the man who leads the athletic department. WSU needs to have a thorough investigation and take appropriate disciplinary action if the allegations are borne out.

Before I call anything into question, I think it's worth pointing out that there's no evidence that any of this actually occurred. It's unsupported allegations...little more than rumor, really.

 

[CougEd]

yet... it is mandated at every public place in WA, OR, and CA. The medical offices I've visited don't allow cloth masks, yet I'd bet that is the predominant mask that is being worn. But tell me again how any of the rules or mandates make any sense when you look at it as a whole.

You can't demand people live by one set of rules and then have another set for yourself. I mean, unless you're a member of the ruling elite, but to be honest I don't think Chun's position as AD gives him that status.

I guess I didn’t realize he was in public when the video was shot.

 

[CougEd]

I wonder what Ed things .... IIRC, he has some connection to Sorensen.

HC I have never once mentioned who I am connected with in Pullman so you aren’t recalling correctly.

But I will offer some thoughts. It was flat out wrong to post the video. As someone who found out the hard way there are crazies out there in the internet world. As someone who had their street name posted , his daughters name posted , and a co worker’s name posted on this site alone, I get posting a video put chuns wife and kids in harms way. Only takes one crazy. What is something happened to his family because of the video and a crazy found out where he lived ?

Second, knowing people who went to Pullman High they describe Al Sorensen as a very loyal friend. I know a former bball coach who knows A.S and he seemed to confirm A. S would give his shirt off his back for his friends. While posting the video is a horrible mistake, I get where it came from . I just don’t consider it the rational place.

John Canzano was on Seattle sports radio today. On my way to Pullman today I listened to his segment and he mentioned the close relationship A.S has with the coaches and was in Starkville visiting leach last weekend. So he is clearly loyal to his friends.

Three, I don’t know community law in Pullman. How many people are allowed at a private gathering . What I don’t get is if the intent was to make sure the law was equal why not contact the police as was done in the Kami case? How many people are too much for a gathering in the town of Pullman?

Four… it is usually the loyal one who gets the short end of the stick. Rolo will walk away with his six mil he earned his first two years . Chun will get the Ohio state gig or another gig of equal stature .

A.S… well for everyone he made happy he upset others. Clearly he had a direct relationship with the Athletic Dept. when they ring in new coaches do you think they will refer him the business? My guess chun and staff will find another referral source for new hires .

Five- Chun should have gone to Pioneer Insurance with a police officer . Schultz will slap his hand and then move forward.

 

[roses04]

I'm pretty disappointed reading those quotes, guys. Just really not what I want to see from my AD.

Let's take a look at the quote.

"I'm going to try to destroy you."

What the hell is that? Have some conviction!

"I'm going to destroy you and all you ever even considered holding dear, you piece of shit!" Much better.

"I'm going to try to destroy you."


Sounds like something a short person would say when they have nothing else.

 

[CougInSpain]

Um yeah, whatever. Sorensen is a clown.

Not difficult for one to spot their own. Congrats?

 

[CougInSpain]

Before I call anything into question, I think it's worth pointing out that there's no evidence that any of this actually occurred. It's unsupported allegations...little more than rumor, really.

You definitely didn't call anything into question. But I guess making a "qualified" statement as to the validity of the case is a more viable option? Yikes... Especially since his daughter was present when it happened and the initial contact he made with Pullman Police. Those two things might blow up your "little more than a rumor really" theory.

 

[HometownCoug]

Interesting notes from the SR article (https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/nov/02/wsu-athletic-director-pat-chun-accused-of-threaten/):

"Sorensen has “permanently trespassed” the Chuns from his home and two businesses he owns, Pioneer Insurance and Flirt, a women’s clothing store, according to the police report."

 

[Observer11]

Interesting notes from the SR article (https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/nov/02/wsu-athletic-director-pat-chun-accused-of-threaten/):

"Sorensen has “permanently trespassed” the Chuns from his home and two businesses he owns, Pioneer Insurance and Flirt, a women’s clothing store, according to the police report."

What the hell does that mean? How does a business trespass?

Need some expert internet legal advice. Not some weak layman internet advice. The good stuff. Cuz once it's here, it's true.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Agree with this too. Even tho I dont think think the allegations are true, because of no chargess, timing, etc.

However if they are true, thats definitely abuse of power, threats, harrassment, and maybe borderline coercion, blacklisting, blackmail, defamation, slander, libel, etc.

That kind of behavior would be bad from anybody, but especially bad from a WSU AD.

If the ALLEGATIONS are true, proven true, then its probably a borderline fireable offense, and if he was fired, I would support that firing.

I also agree with the stance that he cant or shouldnt be a hypocrite. And I do believe Chun didnt want the party thing to get out, so that he would not come out as a hypocrit, etc.

Anyway its sliced, even if ALLEGATIONS are not true, its a bad look for Chun, WSU, and should put chun on the hotseat.

I think you're letting your vocabulary get away from you.

In what way is this libel?

Honestly, I doubt it's any of those things. Sounds more like a guy who's pissed at another guy and called him an a-hole. Really not much more than kind of embarrassing.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

What the hell does that mean? How does a business trespass?

Need some expert internet legal advice. Not some weak layman internet advice. The good stuff. Cuz once it's here, it's true.

Chun cannot trespass against Sorenson. It's an odd wording.

 

[HometownCoug]

What the hell does that mean? How does a business trespass?

Need some expert internet legal advice. Not some weak layman internet advice. The good stuff. Cuz once it's here, it's true.

It means Chun can't go into any of Sorensen's businesses.

My brother-in-law refers to this mechanism the same way with his business. "I trespassed that #$!* for a year." It mean to 86 someone. Banish them.

 

[Observer11]

It means Chun can't go into any of Sorensen's businesses.

My brother-in-law refers to this mechanism the same way with his business. "I trespassed that #$!* for a year." It mean to 86 someone. Banish them.

Hmm....learn something new every day on the web. Have never heard that particular term.

Pretty sure I got trespassed by the DGs way back when. But the statute of limitations has run out.

Not to be confused with violated by a Tri Delt. On more than a couple occasions.

 

[CougEd]

It means Chun can't go into any of Sorensen's businesses.

My brother-in-law refers to this mechanism the same way with his business. "I trespassed that #$!* for a year." It mean to 86 someone. Banish them.

Timing sometimes is a strange thing. I happen to be in Pullman and nosed around a smidge.

Several things I think are apparent. One, Chun should never had gone to his place of employment without someone with him. He now becomes a he said he said. Two witnesses. The wife of Chun the daughter of Sorensen . He was not professional and made an error in my opinion .

There is no video of the altercation .

The video of the party sounds like it was to show the hypocrisy of a policy and of a person wanting perfection when it came to mask wearing . But he was not out of compliance .

it also sounds like it could have died off if all parties let a sleeping dog lie… one party did not.

 

[CougEd]

Hmm....learn something new every day on the web. Have never heard that particular term.

Pretty sure I got trespassed by the DGs way back when. But the statute of limitations has run out.

Not to be confused with violated by a Tri Delt. On more than a couple occasions.

If I may quote Lonestar who was fond of saying the following … if you can’t find a date “Tri Delts”….

 

[wazzucougs96]

All of you people defending Sorenson can STFU now.

 

[95coug]

You definitely didn't call anything into question. But I guess making a "qualified" statement as to the validity of the case is a more viable option? Yikes... Especially since his daughter was present when it happened and the initial contact he made with Pullman Police. Those two things might blow up your "little more than a rumor really" theory.

Sorry, the corroboration of a child/employee doesn't really add much. Too much bias there.

It boils down to one person's story, with no evidentiary support. And, at least at this point, there's no indication that Chun has done anything to act on any supposed threats. So again, this isn't news.

 

[95coug]

All of you people defending Sorenson can STFU now.

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When was the video taken, and what were the requirements at that time?

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Sorry, the corroboration of a child/employee doesn't really add much. Too much bias there.

It boils down to one person's story, with no evidentiary support. And, at least at this point, there's no indication that Chun has done anything to act on any supposed threats. So again, this isn't news.

His silence in the matter is deafening.

It's also in the news cycle, so him being mute isn't helping the WSU image.

 

[wazzucougs96]

When was the video taken, and what were the requirements at that time?

Who cares? Aside from the very initial shelter in place orders in March of 2020, there has never been anything regulating having an outdoor event on personal property.

 

[95coug]

His silence in the matter is deafening.

It's also in the news cycle, so him being mute isn't helping the WSU image.

Responding keeps it in the news, and may throw fuel on the fire. I don't want to deal with Sorenson anyway, so the trespass doesn't bother me. The police report specifically says 'no criminal activity,' so there's nothing to be gained from commenting. If I'm him, I don't.

 

[95coug]

Who cares? Aside from the very initial shelter in place orders in March of 2020, there has never been anything regulating having an outdoor event on personal property.

That's kind of where I was going. But in truth, for all we know the video was taken in 2017 before anyone had even heard of COVID.

 

[HometownCoug]

And, at least at this point, there's no indication that Chun has done anything to act on any supposed threats.

Is this the standard? I think all the sexual harassment suits aren't about actual acts of harassment, but threats of harassment. It is sufficient to create a threatening environment. But even if not harassment, it could be verbal assault.

But not being a lawyer I'm probably wrong.

 

[wazzucougs96]

That's kind of where I was going. But in truth, for all we know the video was taken in 2017 before anyone had even heard of COVID.

FWIW - it was posted the night before the USC game this season. That week an updated mask mandate went into effect for outdoor events of 500+ people.

 

[HometownCoug]

Responding keeps it in the news, and may throw fuel on the fire. I don't want to deal with Sorenson anyway, so the trespass doesn't bother me. The police report specifically says 'no criminal activity,' so there's nothing to be gained from commenting. If I'm him, I don't.

I tend to agree with this. There was a good interview I listened to some weeks ago with a PR guru talking about the "woke" takeover of companies. If the woke whiners attack some company the best bet is to ride it out and keep silent. Neither aggravate the whiners with statements of support for employees, vendors, etc nor appease them by firing folk, terminating contracts, etc.

The best thing for Chun and WSU is to stay silent and wait for the whiners to go away. They will get bored eventually after nobody pays attention to their nothingburger.

 

[wazzucougs96]

I tend to agree with this. There was a good interview I listened to some weeks ago with a PR guru talking about the "woke" takeover of companies. If the woke whiners attack some company the best bet is to ride it out and keep silent. Neither aggravate the whiners with statements of support for employees, vendors, etc nor appease them by firing folk, terminating contracts, etc.

The best thing for Chun and WSU is to stay silent and wait for the whiners to go away. They will get bored eventually after nobody pays attention to their nothingburger.

This is exactly what everyone should to do to anti vaxxers, anti maskers, and the idiots whining about non existent CRT curriculum.

 

[Observer11]

All of you people defending Sorenson can STFU now.

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Smartest virus ever. Can recognize private property. Great engineering.

 

[Observer11]

This is exactly what everyone should to do to anti vaxxers, anti maskers, and the idiots whining about non existent CRT curriculum.

You mean anti maskers on private property not anti maskers in small businesses, correct?

 

[wazzucougs96]

You mean anti maskers on private property not anti maskers in small businesses, correct?

Show us on the doll where Chun hurt you

 

[Observer11]

Show us on the doll where Chun hurt you

He didn't hurt me. I wasn't at his super spreader event.

 

[CougInSpain]

Show us on the doll where Chun hurt you

Being woke is like your passion isn't it? The level of vitriol and diarrhea you fling on here is on par with AOC and her band of useless idiots. Be serious, how mad are you right now that McAuliffe lost VA? Orange man mean tweet mad?

 

[spongeandshoot]

All of you people defending Sorenson can STFU now.

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Classy delivery as always by you.

 

[wazzucougs96]

Classy delivery as always by you.

And nothing substantive from you, weird.

 

[mikalalas]

I think you're letting your vocabulary get away from you.

In what way is this libel?

Honestly, I doubt it's any of those things. Sounds more like a guy who's pissed at another guy and called him an a-hole. Really not much more than kind of embarrassing.

Key Words:

IF IF TRUE

If the ALLEGATIONS are NOT true, your right, its not anything.

However, IF IF the ALLEGATIONS are true, then your wrong.

However, I do NOT think the ALLEGATIONS are true, because of the suspicous timing, of 1 day after Rolo's firing, and the not pressing charges.

 

[mikalalas]

This is exactly what everyone should to do to anti vaxxers, anti maskers, and the idiots whining about non existent CRT curriculum.

BS, I was with you, agreed with the part about ignoring Rolo and other anti vax whiners. If your anti vax, ok, just dont whine about it.

But CRT, has in fact been taught in SOME schools. That is a FACT. There is video proof of Parents, confronting school boards, with REAL, FACTUAL paperwork copies, of OFFICIAL curriculum, where they read the curriculum papers out loud, and video show the papers, and do a upclose show of the words on paper, where the words show, that it is official curriculum, and where the words either say CRT, and or spout off CRT(Critical Race Theory)

Now not all schools, districts, boards, etc, do this, but a couple, few, some, do teach CRT.

And before you make a IGNORANT comment about CRT, back it up with FACTS, and show proof, or shut up about it

And here is not the place to bring up CRT, and other political drivel of like ilk

 

[wazzucougs96]

BS, I was with you, agreed with the part about ignoring Rolo and other anti vax whiners. If your anti vax, ok, just dont whine about it.

But CRT, has in fact been taught in SOME schools. That is a FACT. There is video proof of Parents, confronting school boards, with REAL, FACTUAL paperwork copies, of OFFICIAL curriculum, where they read the curriculum papers out loud, and video show the papers, and do a upclose show of the words on paper, where the words show, that it is official curriculum, and where the words either say CRT, and or spout off CRT(Critical Race Theory)

Now not all schools, districts, boards, etc, do this, but a couple, few, some, do teach CRT.

And before you make a IGNORANT comment about CRT, back it up with FACTS, and show proof, or shut up about it

And here is not the place to bring up CRT, and other political drivel of like ilk

CRT has not been taught in K-12. It is a graduate level field of study taught in law school and masters programs. No one is teaching it to kids. You are lying.

 

[95coug]

Is this the standard? I think all the sexual harassment suits aren't about actual acts of harassment, but threats of harassment. It is sufficient to create a threatening environment. But even if not harassment, it could be verbal assault.

But not being a lawyer I'm probably wrong.

This turns into issues with semantics. Sexual harassment and 'verbal assault,' at least in Washington, are only really things in a workplace environment, which doesn't apply in this case (verbal assault isn't even discussed in those terms in Washington, but it could fall under workplace discrimination or harassment).

Harassment (just plain harassment, not sexual) has its own entry in the criminal code, but requires that a threat is made, and that there's a "reasonable fear" that the threat will be carried out. The threat must be against one's physical or mental health/safety. The words "persistent" or "pervasive" don't appear in the statute, but are considerations, along with the severity of the threat. Chun yelling at the guy once, telling him that he's going to run him out of business, doesn't rise to the level of harassment. If it did, restaurants could sue anyone who left them a bad review.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Timing sometimes is a strange thing. I happen to be in Pullman and nosed around a smidge.

Several things I think are apparent. One, Chun should never had gone to his place of employment without someone with him. He now becomes a he said he said. Two witnesses. The wife of Chun the daughter of Sorensen . He was not professional and made an error in my opinion .

There is no video of the altercation .

The video of the party sounds like it was to show the hypocrisy of a policy and of a person wanting perfection when it came to mask wearing . But he was not out of compliance .

it also sounds like it could have died off if all parties let a sleeping dog lie… one party did not.

It is kind of strange Chun went down there to cancel his policies and yell at him. I’ve had clients leave pissed off for a variety of reasons. Usually a nasty email or, at worst, phone call.

Maybe that’s a small town thing.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Key Words:

IF IF TRUE

If the ALLEGATIONS are NOT true, your right, its not anything.

However, IF IF the ALLEGATIONS are true, then your wrong.

However, I do NOT think the ALLEGATIONS are true, because of the suspicous timing, of 1 day after Rolo's firing, and the not pressing charges.

If the allegations are true, then Chun went in and yelled at the guy. It’s not legally any of the things you mentioned other than perhaps threatening.