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I received (as I'm sure many of you did, too) a letter from Pat Chun via email blast. Here is a link to the web browser version:

Chun letter

Think about it for a moment...there have not been many moments in AD history when the AD had this many good things to which he could point. It is always a good time to be a Coug, but today is excellent.

Go Cougs!
 
I received (as I'm sure many of you did, too) a letter from Pat Chun via email blast. Here is a link to the web browser version:

Chun letter

Think about it for a moment...there have not been many moments in AD history when the AD had this many good things to which he could point. It is always a good time to be a Coug, but today is excellent.

Go Cougs!

Outside of the issues caused by the pandemic, and our uncertain future in football, our athletic department appears to be as well positioned as it's ever been overall. I'm still excited about our future with Rolovich, so I believe that across the board, we are about as good as we can be. I think Chun was a great hire.
 
And Oregon State announces a $153M stadium expansion plan with a $45m single donation.
 
I'm tickled the Beavs decided to double down on facilities, while retaining yet another bargain basement coach. Gotta love Pac-12 stupidity. You build to support your success. If you build hoping success will follow, you are grasping at straws.

Here's a thought experiment for you. What scares you more? Smith coaching the Beavs in a swank stadium and FOB, or the Beavs using 50 or 60 million to lure a coach of Leach's calibre (Fickell maybe) to Corvallis, with modest upgrades?
 
I'm tickled the Beavs decided to double down on facilities, while retaining yet another bargain basement coach. Gotta love Pac-12 stupidity. You build to support your success. If you build hoping success will follow, you are grasping at straws.

Here's a thought experiment for you. What scares you more? Smith coaching the Beavs in a swank stadium and FOB, or the Beavs using 50 or 60 million to lure a coach of Leach's calibre (Fickell maybe) to Corvallis, with modest upgrades?
A school like Oregon State isn’t going to attract a coach “of Leach’s caliber” without making major investments into facilities. Modern stadium amenities entice fans to leave their couches and travel to towns like Corvallis to watch games. The FOB attracts recruits and provides coaches with the resources they need to coach and train. Full stadiums attract recruits.

I get it, Smith is a mediocre coach, but he’s a home town guy with natural support from the fan base. The Beavers aren’t going to attract an upper echelon coach with just money.
 
I'm tickled the Beavs decided to double down on facilities, while retaining yet another bargain basement coach. Gotta love Pac-12 stupidity. You build to support your success. If you build hoping success will follow, you are grasping at straws.

Here's a thought experiment for you. What scares you more? Smith coaching the Beavs in a swank stadium and FOB, or the Beavs using 50 or 60 million to lure a coach of Leach's calibre (Fickell maybe) to Corvallis, with modest upgrades?

I'd much rather have a coach who is taking a windfall payday at OSU than an opponent building infrastructure to compete at a higher level. Nick Saban would find it hard to consistently win 10 games in Corvallis. And, any coach who could win consistently there would be easy to lure into the 50+ better situations at the P5 level. Then you'd be stuck finding a replacement.

Whoever is your head coach will almost certainly not last longer than a decade. Making the job more attractive to future candidates should always be a priority. That means $$$.

Furthermore, Smith is a former OSU walk-on turned star QB. You want to do everything possible to help him succeed. Lots of potential for bad blood with potential donors who went to college with him if they feel like he got blamed for the AD's failures. Look how triggered a chunk of our fanbase got when we dumped 9-40 for a guy who had never missed a bowl game.
 
A school like Oregon State isn’t going to attract a coach “of Leach’s caliber” without making major investments into facilities. Modern stadium amenities entice fans to leave their couches and travel to towns like Corvallis to watch games. The FOB attracts recruits and provides coaches with the resources they need to coach and train. Full stadiums attract recruits.

I get it, Smith is a mediocre coach, but he’s a home town guy with natural support from the fan base. The Beavers aren’t going to attract an upper echelon coach with just money.

BS. The Beavs are spending 150 million, 50 million of which comes from a big donor, on their Stadium, FOB.

If the Beavs spend that 150 Million, on a 9.5 million per year for 13 years, and a 13 million, contract buy out clause(Meaning that they would have to pay 13 mil to fire the coach), then a semi best top type coach would come to coach the Beavs.

I get what your saying to a point.

Lets say the Beavs currently pay 4 mil per year, a top coach is prob not gona come coach the beavs for 6 mil to 9 mil a year.

But if the Beavs were to offer 10 mil to 15 mil to 20 mil a year, even a Saban type, BEST coach would coach the Beavs for that.

Lots, ENOUGH MONEY TALKS.

So saying its not about money, that the Beavs coukdnt just throw say 25 mil per year at a beat coach, and that coach would still not coach thecBeavs, is BS.

Even Saban, etc, has their monetary price, etc.

The point is, that the beavs could and should have spent that 150 mil on Top, Best coaching, inatead of facilities.

And if they had done that, a Best, Top coach would have coached the Beavs.
 
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A school like Oregon State isn’t going to attract a coach “of Leach’s caliber” without making major investments into facilities. Modern stadium amenities entice fans to leave their couches and travel to towns like Corvallis to watch games. The FOB attracts recruits and provides coaches with the resources they need to coach and train. Full stadiums attract recruits.

I get it, Smith is a mediocre coach, but he’s a home town guy with natural support from the fan base. The Beavers aren’t going to attract an upper echelon coach with just money.

Reality check here -- The fact is the Regents didn't approve construction the FOB until 11/12, a year AFTER Leach was hired. And had they been given the straight scoop on the TV deal, it would never have been approved. Leach signed with WSU because of the 7 year $2, 000,000/per contract, not because Bill Moos told him the Regent might approve a $65 million FOB some day in the future. The is American, the $$$ does all the talking. When was the last time a coach took a dime less because his office was nicer?

Kool Aid anyone?
 
I'd much rather have a coach who is taking a windfall payday at OSU than an opponent building infrastructure to compete at a higher level. Nick Saban would find it hard to consistently win 10 games in Corvallis. And, any coach who could win consistently there would be easy to lure into the 50+ better situations at the P5 level. Then you'd be stuck finding a replacement.

Whoever is your head coach will almost certainly not last longer than a decade. Making the job more attractive to future candidates should always be a priority. That means $$$.

Furthermore, Smith is a former OSU walk-on turned star QB. You want to do everything possible to help him succeed. Lots of potential for bad blood with potential donors who went to college with him if they feel like he got blamed for the AD's failures. Look how triggered a chunk of our fanbase got when we dumped 9-40 for a guy who had never missed a bowl game.

Is there any proof that major facility upgrades are a significant vehicle for athletic success? Oregon? People forget that Bellotti turned the program around well before the Nike upgrades, and Kelly left prior to their FOB's completion. The new FOB really helped Helfrich didn't it.

The football powers remain the football powers. But, I can give you example after example where coaches completely turned losing programs around. If building was the key to success, then Oklahoma State would be multi-time national champs right now. Instead, they remain Oklahoma's biitch. No one spent more to build their way to success than T - Boone and failed (He didn't spend hundreds of millions for the Cowboys to remain the Sooner's little brother).

Nick Saban, Mike Leach nor Dennis could win 10 games consistently at Oregon State, I grant you, but they could and would win 10 games on occasion, but the sad fact is a $158 million upgrade, and yet another bargain basement coach gets Oregon State yet another losing season, 8 straight and counting.

You are right, only in rare cases do coaches last 10 years, but after 10 years sports facilities are tired and old news, too. Football facilities are like new cars, not like College Hall, a 110 years and counting.

The facts simply do not support your assertions, only university presidents and ADs concerned with their legacy do.

Ernie or Bone with a brand new Beasley, gets you last place, while Kyle Smith and Tony Bennett, a lick of new paint on the old girl, gives you a world of possibilities. It all about BALANCE, starting with hiring and retaining the right coaches - it ain't about facilities, with a hiring a "plug and play" coach attitude.
 
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Is there any proof that major facility upgrades are a significant vehicle for athletic success? Oregon? People forget that Bellotti turned the program around well before the Nike upgrades, and Kelly left prior to their FOB's completion. The new FOB really helped Helfrich didn't it.

The football powers remain the football powers. But, I can give you example after example where coaches completely turned losing programs around. If building was the key to success, then Oklahoma State would be multi-time national champs right now. Instead, they remain Oklahoma's biitch. No one spent more to build their way to success than T - Boone and failed (He didn't spend hundreds of millions for the Cowboys to remain the Sooner's little brother).

Nick Saban, Mike Leach nor Dennis could win 10 games consistently at Oregon State, I grant you, but they could and would win 10 games on occasion, but the sad fact is a $158 million upgrade, and yet another bargain basement coach gets Oregon State yet another losing season, 8 straight and counting.

You are right, only in rare cases do coaches last 10 years, but after 10 years sports facilities are tired and old news, too. Football facilities are like new cars, not like College Hall, a 110 years and counting.

The facts simply do not support your assertions, only university presidents and ADs concerned with their legacy do.

Ernie or Bone with a brand new Beasley, gets you last place, while Kyle Smith and Tony Bennett, a lick of new paint on the old girl, gives you a world of possibilities. It all about BALANCE, starting with hiring and retaining the right coaches - it ain't about facilities, with a hiring a "plug and play" coach attitude.

Talk about misreading the Oregon turnaround. Oregon was spending heavily on infrastructure since the late 90's. Flashy uniforms, Times square Billboards, custom comic books for recruits, X-boxes and TV in the lockers, and they've been to the natty twice (under different coaches) in that time span. Oregon isn't landing 5 star recruits due to Cristobal's amazing personality. They've built it into a place kids want to go.

Oregon St also argues for the facilities. After success under Erickson and Riley (trailer off during his tenure) the program became a complete dumpster fire. All while the program never went bargain basement on a coach. Last four Head Coaches: Erickson (NFL experience, former Natty winner), Riley (NFL guy), Anderson (won at Utah St and Wisconsin prior), and Smith (coordinator for Petersen for years, also their Jason Gesser). It turns out the job requires an exceptional coach for modest success.

WSU basketball is similar. George Ravelling, Kelvin Sampson, and Tony Bennett have won here recently. It took Dick Bennett 3 years to set up Tony for his success. Its not the sign of a healthy program if you need a hall of fame caliber coach to get to the NCAA tournament.

Writing big checks to lure a coach into a bad situation leads to landing someone who is looking to cash a fat check. Or someone who is just looking to stick around long enough to land the next better opportunity. Kyle Smith is looking like a one in a million fit and we'll lose him if Chun doesn't keep him happy.

Oklahoma St? Look at the success the program was having before T. Boone opened up his wallet. Think the program is going to take a massive step back if Gundy is shown the door?

Sometimes you need a coach to get the facilities built. Do we get a FOB if Wulff is the HFC? But if Paul Allen has dropped a chunk of cash down for facilities and upgrades they should have been top priority because those will help any coach recruit.
 
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Talk about misreading the Oregon turnaround. Oregon was spending heavily on infrastructure since the late 90's. Flashy uniforms, Times square Billboards, custom comic books for recruits, X-boxes and TV in the lockers, and they've been to the natty twice (under different coaches) in that time span. Oregon isn't landing 5 star recruits due to Cristobal's amazing personality. They've built it into a place kids want to go.

Oregon St also argues for the facilities. After success under Erickson and Riley (trailer off during his tenure) the program became a complete dumpster fire. All while the program never went bargain basement on a coach. Last four Head Coaches: Erickson (NFL experience, former Natty winner), Riley (NFL guy), Anderson (won at Utah St and Wisconsin prior), and Smith (coordinator for Petersen for years, also their Jason Gesser). It turns out the job requires an exceptional coach for modest success.

WSU basketball is similar. George Ravelling, Kelvin Sampson, and Tony Bennett have won here recently. It took Dick Bennett 3 years to set up Tony for his success. Its not the sign of a healthy program if you need a hall of fame caliber coach to get to the NCAA tournament.

Writing big checks to lure a coach into a bad situation leads to landing someone who is looking to cash a fat check. Or someone who is just looking to stick around long enough to land the next better opportunity. Kyle Smith is looking like a one in a million fit and we'll lose him if Chun doesn't keep him happy.

Oklahoma St? Look at the success the program was having before T. Boone opened up his wallet. Think the program is going to take a massive step back if Gundy is shown the door?

Sometimes you need a coach to get the facilities built. Do we get a FOB if Wulff is the HFC? But if Paul Allen has dropped a chunk of cash down for facilities and upgrades they should have been top priority because those will help any coach recruit.

Facilities and coaches salaries show recruits and parents how serious the school is about football. There are 9 coaches in the Pac 12 that can talk all they want about commitment, only 3 schools can back it up when its time to show off facilities.

4 and 5 star kids go to schools that have 4 and 5 star facilities. Hell, same could be said for academics.
 
Talk about misreading the Oregon turnaround. Oregon was spending heavily on infrastructure since the late 90's. Flashy uniforms, Times square Billboards, custom comic books for recruits, X-boxes and TV in the lockers, and they've been to the natty twice (under different coaches) in that time span. Oregon isn't landing 5 star recruits due to Cristobal's amazing personality. They've built it into a place kids want to go.

Oregon St also argues for the facilities. After success under Erickson and Riley (trailer off during his tenure) the program became a complete dumpster fire. All while the program never went bargain basement on a coach. Last four Head Coaches: Erickson (NFL experience, former Natty winner), Riley (NFL guy), Anderson (won at Utah St and Wisconsin prior), and Smith (coordinator for Petersen for years, also their Jason Gesser). It turns out the job requires an exceptional coach for modest success.

WSU basketball is similar. George Ravelling, Kelvin Sampson, and Tony Bennett have won here recently. It took Dick Bennett 3 years to set up Tony for his success. Its not the sign of a healthy program if you need a hall of fame caliber coach to get to the NCAA tournament.

Writing big checks to lure a coach into a bad situation leads to landing someone who is looking to cash a fat check. Or someone who is just looking to stick around long enough to land the next better opportunity. Kyle Smith is looking like a one in a million fit and we'll lose him if Chun doesn't keep him happy.

Oklahoma St? Look at the success the program was having before T. Boone opened up his wallet. Think the program is going to take a massive step back if Gundy is shown the door?

Sometimes you need a coach to get the facilities built. Do we get a FOB if Wulff is the HFC? But if Paul Allen has dropped a chunk of cash down for facilities and upgrades they should have been top priority because those will help any coach recruit.

A Poor Money Program like a WSU, Ore St USUALLY DOES NOT have the MONEY to even SEMI CONSISTENTLY have the good enough facilities, program to win even inconsistently.

Yeah sure every once in a while they can sometimes afford a new stadium, or stadium expansion, renovation, FOB, etc.

But even if they do so, they CAN NOT USUALLY keep up with the Jones, of the College Football World to even have even semi borderline conaistent, inconsistent, semi regular, irregular winning seasons against the Jones of the College Football World.

So even if your point were right(And its not), it wouldnt apply to WSU, Ore St types, and would only apply to:

Tier 2,3 Colleges. Tier 1: WSU, Tier 2: OK St, Tx Tech, MSU, etc. Tier 3: UW, etc, Tier 4: UW, UCLA, etc, Tier 5: Auburn, USC etc, Tier 6: USC, Alabama, etc.

What you said does not apply to Tier 1, Tier 4,5,6 colleges, and only applies to tiers 2,3,4 colleges.

Like you said it takes the EXTREMELY EXCEPTIONAL hall of fame coaches to consistently win at WSU(Coach K, Saban, etc).

Without those type of coaches, WSU types, will not win consistently, EVEN IF THEY ONCE IN A WHILE SPEND LOTS OF MONEY ON FACILITIES.

Yeah sure IF IF IF WSU REGULARLY spent LOTS of money on facilities regularly, enough to keep up with the Jones, then yeah WSU would win consistently without a hall of fame coach.

But a WSU type either does not have the money to do that, an or wont do that.

So again a mute, moot point.

The way a WSU type turns into a consistently winning healthy program:

1. Either an or at same time, hire a coach K, Saban, and spend at least a little tiny bit of money on facilities, etc.

2. If not able to spend a little tiny bit of money on facilities, show the new Saban type coach, and possible future recruits that they are at least trying to earn money, and will spend that money on facilities, if they do earn money.

3. The Saban coach brings consistent winning, that makes the money.

4. THEN THE WSU TYPE MUST THEN SPEND THE MONEY ON FACILITIES CONSISTENTLY TO THEN SUSTAIN THE CONSISTENT WINNING.

It does not work in reverse spending money first, then hiring good coaches at WSU types, primarily because WSU type usually cant apend the money first on facilities first, and then hire good coaches.

Usually WSU types have to choose between either spend money on facilities, or not spend it on facilities, and spend it on coaches instead.

Yeah there have been Saban types that have failed at WSU types.

But thats not a reason to spend money on facilities over coaches, because there have been Saban types that have won consistently at WSU, Raveling, Sampson, Bennet, Leach, and probably Kyle Smith, as examples.

So if a WSU type, and if must choose between either money on a Saban, or money on facilities:

1. You hire Saban.

2. That makes money due to consistent winning.

3. Then you spend money on facilities.

Oh and btw, Kyle Smith is probably going to stay at WSU for 9 to 17 years, be a long staying Mark Few type at WSU, because his Wife, an or his Wife's family are:

1. From, in Chelan/Eastern WA.

2. Like, Love Chelan, Eastern WA.

3. Are WSU fans.

Also Smith WHEN he consistently wins at WSU has a awesome bball program, recruits, community, fans, AD Pat Chun, and President that will be here for long time, that will support Kyle Smith.

Yes its theorectically technically possible to have Kyle Smith not stay 9 to 17 years, but its not bloody damn likely Kyle Smith leaves before 9 to 17 years

Also if a WSU type offers enough money, a Saban type will coach at a WSU type.

Coaches are mercenaries, show them the money, and they will usually come.
 
Also there is a reason why the Pac 12 is the 4th,5th best, an or weaker, weakest P5 conference:

1. The Pac 12 spend a LOT of money on facilities.

2. The Pac 12 gets CHEAP coaches.

The Pac 12 as a whole, is a excellent example of how Spending a LOT of money on coaches, is more important then spending lots of money on facilities OVER coaching.
 
Reality check here -- The fact is the Regents didn't approve construction the FOB until 11/12, a year AFTER Leach was hired. And had they been given the straight scoop on the TV deal, it would never have been approved. Leach signed with WSU because of the 7 year $2, 000,000/per contract, not because Bill Moos told him the Regent might approve a $65 million FOB some day in the future. The is American, the $$$ does all the talking. When was the last time a coach took a dime less because his office was nicer?

Kool Aid anyone?
A.) Mike Leach is a terrible example. He was blacklisted in 2011 and WSU was the only school who was going to throw that contract at him.
B.) Bill Moos told Mike Leach that the facility upgrades would happen and when they would happen.
 
Oregon's entire rise to prominence can be almost entirely attributed to financial investment into facilities. They were a no name program with no history, tradition, or immediate access to top tier recruits until the mid 90s. They have never paid top dollar to lure in the top tier coaches. They hired smart for a very long time (Helfrich being the lone exception.) Brooks to Belloti to Kelly was all savvy AD hiring moves. No one even knew who Chip Kelly was until he got to Eugene. Even Mario was making under 2 million a year until just a few weeks ago.
 
Oregon's entire rise to prominence can be almost entirely attributed to financial investment into facilities. They were a no name program with no history, tradition, or immediate access to top tier recruits until the mid 90s. They have never paid top dollar to lure in the top tier coaches. They hired smart for a very long time (Helfrich being the lone exception.) Brooks to Belloti to Kelly was all savvy AD hiring moves. No one even knew who Chip Kelly was until he got to Eugene. Even Mario was making under 2 million a year until just a few weeks ago.
It's also worth noting that palatial football facilities didn't even exist in the Bellotti years, at least not in the P12; the facilities arms race is a relatively new phenomena. It's true you could buy a good coach for a relatively poor program back in the nineties and have it pay dividends, but nowadays that same coach can make the a nice living at a school that has really nice football facilities rather than one that offers equal pay but puts him in a broom closet for an office.
 
It's also worth noting that palatial football facilities didn't even exist in the Bellotti years, at least not in the P12; the facilities arms race is a relatively new phenomena. It's true you could buy a good coach for a relatively poor program back in the nineties and have it pay dividends, but nowadays that same coach can make the a nice living at a school that has really nice football facilities rather than one that offers equal pay but puts him in a broom closet for an office.

They began building at Oregon during Bellotti's tenure.
 
Not their fancy Hatfield-Dowlin Complex--construction for that didn't start til 2012 (Bellotti was gone as coach after 2008).


The first indoor practice facility on the West Coast became a reality, thanks in large part to Ed and Elaine Moshofsky, with the groundbreaking taking place in March 1997.

The timing of this corresponds with Oregon's rise to prominence.
 

The first indoor practice facility on the West Coast became a reality, thanks in large part to Ed and Elaine Moshofsky, with the groundbreaking taking place in March 1997.

The timing of this corresponds with Oregon's rise to prominence.

Yes, BUT Oregon was not a WSU type.

Oregon was a Tier 2,3 type where spending money on facilities + good coaching built Oregon to what it is today.

BUT IF Oregon had been a WSU type, spending money on facilities, instead of coaching, wouldnt have helped them, Oregon.

The way WSU types: WSU, Ore St, etc, build consistent winning Programs is by spending money on coaches first, then money on facilities, when the money coaches win, make the WSU type money, etc.

At WSU types, coaching is more important than facilities.

Also CAL, UCLA, have had a lot of money they put into facilities. Does that help them? No. Why? Because of BAD coaching.

Also the Pac 12 as a whole, is a WEAKER conference, BECAUSE they spend lots of money on facilities, and hire cheap, bad coaches.

If the Pac 12 had hired the BEST coaches, and had gone cheap on facilities, the Pac 12 would have been a stronger conference then it is now.

1. BEST COACHING FIRST

2. Then spending lots of money on good facilities, once the BEST COACHING WINS, MAKES MONEY.

Thats the way to not only have WSU types build consistently winning programs, and make the Pac 12 stronger

Also when and after Pat Chun was hired, did he spend more money on facilities first?

No.

Chun spent money on making GOOD coaching hires, then spending, an or will spend money on facilities, once those good coaches consistently win, make more money for WSU.

And that is why Chun is a Good AD.

IF Chun had instead spent a lot of money on facilities, while going super cheap on likely bad coaches, would WSU consistently win?

No.

But if Chun didnt, doesnt spend money on facilities after spending lots of money on such awesomely good coaches, would WSU still win consistently?

Well so far yes.(throwing out football results due to Covid, etc, and counting Men's and women's BBall, Soccer, Volleyball, Athletics Dept as a whole.)

This is why Chun has won awards for best AD.

So altho facilities + coaching both, are both important to consistent winning, good coaching first is more important then facilities to winning consistently, especially to WSU
 
Another Example:

KSU.

Under Snyder, KSU was a consistently winning program, and still is even without Snyder.

If KSU had decided to spend money on facilities and go super cheap on a bad coach, instead of hiring Snyder, would KSU have become the winning Program it was, and still is?

NO
 
I'm tickled the Beavs decided to double down on facilities, while retaining yet another bargain basement coach. Gotta love Pac-12 stupidity. You build to support your success. If you build hoping success will follow, you are grasping at straws.

Here's a thought experiment for you. What scares you more? Smith coaching the Beavs in a swank stadium and FOB, or the Beavs using 50 or 60 million to lure a coach of Leach's calibre (Fickell maybe) to Corvallis, with modest upgrades?

Ore St, spending 55 to 70 million, 8 Mill per year, 7 year contract, 15 mill buy out, firing clause, for a Fickell, Meyer, Leach, Saban, Lincoln Riley(From Nebraska), etc, with cheap upgrades, would scare, concern me a lot more then Smith coaching in a 150 mill stadium, FOB
 
Not their fancy Hatfield-Dowlin Complex--construction for that didn't start til 2012 (Bellotti was gone as coach after 2008).

Maschovsky (sp?), the expansion of Autzen, Xboxes in the locker room happened by 2003. Rich, Cool and 4-0 after beating Michigan and before getting crushed 55-16.
 
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Maschovsky (sp?), the expansion of Autzen, Xboxes in the locker room happened by 2003. Rich, Cool and 4-0 after beating Michigan and before getting crushed 55-16.

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YES!!! 55-16, one of the best road games we have ever been to. We were listening to their pre-game show and they were going on and on about how our DE's were not PAC 10 size and they were going to just destroy them, run all over them and crush us. They also said that Kegel didn't have the arm to throw the deep ball. Oops, got those a bit wrong, as our quick DE's harassed Oregon into interceptions, sacks, and fumbles and Kegel hit some bombs on their secondary. Then on the post game show their broadcast team was peeing and moaning about it was just a "scheme". Hey, "HELLO" you idiots-every school runs a scheme of some sort, and our scheme just kicked the ass of your scheme! What a great game!
 
"every school runs a scheme of some sort, and our scheme just kicked the ass of your scheme!"

Classic. Thanks, Stretch!
 
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