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He’s giving transparent answers to the questions, but they’re not the answers we want to hear so we’re upset with him.
“The conference bylaws state (certain) dollars have to be distributed among (the 12),"
But they also state that the assets left upon dissolution get split between the member teams at that time…and that anyone who provides notice of departure is subject to forfeiting their allocation as of their notice.
But they also state that the assets left upon dissolution get split between the member teams at that time…and that anyone who provides notice of departure is subject to forfeiting their allocation as of their notice.
I'm upset because he and the other Presidents screwed the pooch a year ago when ESPN had $30 million on the table. He/they screwed the pooch by hiring that Kliavkoff 2 years ago. The then screwed up by not snagging SDSU when they were begging us to take them. Last chance to save the league. Schulz deserves our anger and scorn, and that is all he's ever getting from this Coug.
Schulz' failures all stem from his own utter passivity. You can't be pissed at him because Elson Floyd was a Kool Aid drinking fan of everything Larry Scott. But as his successor as head of the Presidents' association, it was his job to make sure the other presidents were well informed about the state of Pac-12 athletics and its media value from the beginning. It is his fault for not demanding more transparency from George regarding the state of negotiations. If the presidents were disengaged, not meeting enough and were under informed as a result, as he claims, it was his job as their leader to correct that.
We can nash our teeth about it, but when everything is unpacked regarding the demise of the Pac-12 there will be two mug shots front and center. Elson Floyd for being the champion of huckster Larry Scott in 2013, when the Pac-12 could have canned him, having a decade to repair the damage he created. And Schulz for taking over for Floyd and doing nothing thereafter to address the major problems the conference faced.
WSU was the main author of the Pac-12 demise, our presidents were in charge and dropped the ball, and they (we) are the main reason we will likely be a deeply cash strapped MWC school next.
Schulz needs to resign!
Schulz said openly that he wasn’t one of the Presidents who pushed hard for more revenue. USC wanted $50M/year, which started the mess. WSU was sitting at the table listening quietly. There was nothing Schulz could have done. WSU has no leverage.
You are absolutely right, we are entitled to divide the conference assets under the by laws, but as Schulz confirms those assets will be a big nothing burger.
That lets him off the hook too easily. As Cougsocal wrote, he was too passive. No, WSU has no leverage, but he could have done myriad things in the years prior, as well as quite a few at the point you are describing and thereafter. We have talked about a lot of them and there were many others we haven't talked about but that a creative, dynamic, and effective president would have explored. I am as certain as one could be from the outside, based on everything we have heard from him and others, that Shulz didn't even attempt any meaningful subset of those possible approaches, and instead was passive and had faith it would all work out. Anyone with a functioning cerebrum, including many of us randos on a message board, could see how dire the consequences were, and it wasn't the time to just be passive when running WSU. Shulz was and he failed.
That's the problem "WSU, Schultz listening quietly as USC, others wanted 50 Million" and "DOING NOTHING", and not saying:
"The PAC 12 is NOT worth 50 million, Carol Folt, of USC, and others. The PAC is worth about 30 mil to 33 mil to 36 mil per team, NOT Mil. Here is the Proof. (SHOWS PROOF). Now SIT DOWN, BE QUIET. GEORGE(Commish, make a counter offer for about 36 mil, and even tho counter at 36 mil, hint that we might be open to a counter. If they accept 36 mil, great. If they counter at about 32.5 mil, accept. No vote is needed, this meeting is at a end. SIT DOWN CAROL FOLT, CROW, OTHERS, AND SHUT UP. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, DO NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE, ME, GEORGE HAVE. AND DO NOT HAVE AS MUCH AT STAKE AS US, OSU HAS, BECAUSE IF WE DEMAND 50 MIL, THEY WILL TERMINATE NEGOTIATIONS, DEAL, AND WE MIGHT GET FAR LESS THEN 30 MIL, WHICH MIGHT CAUSE SOME OF YOU TO LEAVE, WHICH MIGHT CAUSE THE PAC 12 TO BE DESTROYED, WITH NO P5 CONFERENCE FOR WSU TO GOTO. I AM NOT GOING TO LET THAT HAPPEN. THEREFORE YOU WILL SIT DOWN, SHUT UP, LISTEN, DO WHAT GEORGE AND I TELL YOU TO DO OR ELSE. THIS MEETING IS AT A END. SHUT UP CAROL. GEORGE GO DO WHAT I HAVE INSTRUCTED TO DO, NOW, AND DO NOT LISTEN, DO ANYTHING THAT CAROL, OTHERS TALK ABOUT, TELL YOU TO DO, ETC".
That's what Schultz was supposed to do, should have done, instead of DOING NOTHING, and because of that, ITS HIS FAULT. HE IS PARTLY TO BLAME WITH ALL THE REST.
STOP EXCUSING SCHULTZ.
He needs to be FIRED, RESIGN, OR AT EXTREME MINIMUM, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND SAY IT WAS HIS FAULT, AND THEN WORK LIKE HELL TO TRY TO FIX THIS, ETC.
Bingo. You guys really think WSU had 1/12 the voice in these discussions, let alone Schulz being some sort of power player? The Pac 12s fate was always going to be decided by USC, UCLA, OR, WA. Now could he have been more proactive in working the back channels for a landing spot in the Big 12? I’d like to think with the relationships he has in the conference and a little salesmanship he coulda put us in a position to pull an Arizona. If he made no effort to do that then he failed miserably.
USC was gone by then. Whoever was pushing for 50m is unknown. Schulz implied the number came from the assessment of someone on the faculty at one of the schools. I’d assume it was uw or Oregon but it just as well could have been ASU or Colorado. He’s a little unclear in his interviews by it didn’t sound like they countered with $50M but more that was the mentality they were dealing with. I think they were having a hard time dealing with the fact they were worth half of the BIG. Slightly north of $40M was the counter number he implied.
Schulz took over as chair of the Pac-12 executive board in July. The UW president was the previous chair, and most of the foot dragging happened under her.
Yes, because if your the CEO Commish, and University President Schultz, AGAINST, VERSUS THE REST OF THE MORONIC UNIVERSITY PRESIDENTS CORPORATE BOARD:
YOU PUT THEM IN THEIR PLACE AND LEVERAGE, FORCE THEM TO LISTEN, DO WHAT YOU TELL THEM TO DO OR ELSE YOU GO SCORCHED EARTH ON THEIR AZZES, RESIGN, QUIT, RISK BEING FIRED, ETC, AND CRUCIFY THEM IN PUBLIC.
YOU HAVE FOX, ESPN, AND OTHER EXPERTS, LAUGH, SCORN, MOCK, RIDICULE THEM IN PUBLIC, AN OR AT LEAST YOU THREATEN TO DO THAT.
YOU SHOW THEM ABSOLUTE PROOF OF WHAT YOU SAY.
THEN YOU TELL THEM TO STFU, AND SIT DOWN.
YOU HAVE TO BULLY, FORCE THE LIVING SHET OUT OF THEM.
What are they going to do to President Schultz, WSU, if Schultz would have done something like that.
THEY WOULD HAVE DONE NOTHING TO PRESIDENT SCHULTZ, WSU.
Bill MOO's got the PAC 12 University Presidents and Commish Larry Scott, to agree to equal revenue sharing, something that USC, did not want to do.
He didn't do, get that done by doing what Schultz did, and listening, doing nothing.
He got that done by ASSERTING, DICTATING, PROVING, CREDIBILITY, SALESMANSHIP, ETC.
If it had been Schultz, instead of Bill MOO's, USC would have gotten the bigger shares, and WSU would have gotten the smallest shares, instead of equal shares.
Schultz should resign. What a joke.
My favorite Mik is the one that yells at his own posts.
Does anyone else always skip over mikalalas posts since they are written in CAPS?
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All I know is, the Pac 12 would still be together if Trump was president.
Please review and consider from May 2022. Kirk was in love a year ago!
Washington State president Kirk Schulz: Q&A on the Kliavkoff hire and direction of the Pac-12
Schulz was a member of the search committee that hired George Kliavkoff a year ago.
www.mercurynews.com
Kirk on George circa May 2022!
Washington State president Kirk Schulz: Q&A on the Kliavkoff hire and direction of the Pac-12
Schulz was a member of the search committee that hired George Kliavkoff a year ago.
www.mercurynews.com
"Clueless" circa August 2023,
Washington State Board of Regents chair says 'no one on WSU team to blame' after Pac-12 implosion
Washington State is one of the few remaining schools in the Pac-12 after five schools departed the embattled conference on Friday.
www.king5.com
Why on earth should a guy, so out of touch, resign? Maybe it was his job to have been in touch, and been on the ball!
Defending Kirk is like defending Paul Wulff!
Not even closeKirk on George circa May 2022!
Washington State president Kirk Schulz: Q&A on the Kliavkoff hire and direction of the Pac-12
Schulz was a member of the search committee that hired George Kliavkoff a year ago.
"Clueless" circa August 2023,
Washington State Board of Regents chair says 'no one on WSU team to blame' after Pac-12 implosion
Washington State is one of the few remaining schools in the Pac-12 after five schools departed the embattled conference on Friday.
Why on earth should a guy, so out of touch, resign? Maybe it was his job to have been in touch, and been on the ball!
Defending Kirk is like defending Paul Wulff!
Wullf caused 5 years of total misery. All by himself. What was shultz supposed to do thst eould have prevented this? Big money made this happen. And WSU was never going to be in the picture no matter what shultz did
Oh, you're at that level of analysis. OK. I can't even respond to this nonsense.
As always, no one at the top, in charge, responsible for choices & decisions are at fault. I disagree.Kirk on George circa May 2022!
Washington State president Kirk Schulz: Q&A on the Kliavkoff hire and direction of the Pac-12
Schulz was a member of the search committee that hired George Kliavkoff a year ago.
"Clueless" circa August 2023,
Washington State Board of Regents chair says 'no one on WSU team to blame' after Pac-12 implosion
Washington State is one of the few remaining schools in the Pac-12 after five schools departed the embattled conference on Friday.
Why on earth should a guy, so out of touch, resign? Maybe it was his job to have been in touch, and been on the ball!
Defending Kirk is like defending Paul Wulff!
The darkness of the Wulff years were certainly a problem but the reality is that WSU's situation was 130 years in the making. From teams like USC refusing to play in Pullman for 50 years, the treachery of the 1950's, to the decades of imbalanced TV revenue, and the lack of honor by our conference brethren in general, we never stood a chance because the selection of putting WSU in Pullman made it easy for them to consider us second class citizens. Even today, our fans make excuses for why Pullman's location makes it hard to support the team. If our own fans don't believe it's worth it, why should anyone else?
Schulz and Chun have made mistakes but other than failing to realize that they were being played was really the only one that might have made a difference...assuming that if we had been willing to back stab everyone sooner, we might not have been left behind. Even that is just an assumption, because it's made pretty clear that no Power 5 league is doing handstands trying to win us over.
WSU and Pullman were great to me and I'm glad that I had that experience, but the very nature of that experience has always meant that we were destined to be left behind. All of the negatives and challenges that MWC teams are judged one are the very same ones we have faced. If anything, we were lucky to be along for the ride so long. A part of me is hoping that the current Big 12 rumors are true, but I also know that all it is doing is delaying the inevitable if it happens.
Agree completely, if we do get into the big 12, realignment isnt over. We could easily be in the same boat a few years from now
I don’t believe Kliavkoff in the end, did that bad of job. The deal was reported to be 25 million + 5 million$ per 2million+ subs. They would have almost assuredly been making 30 million in the first season and possibly more. That excludes bowl payouts, CFB, ncaa tourney etc. Pac had 14 million subs carrier on a narrow band of providers. I don’t think there is anyway it would not get 3-4 million subs on Apple TV minimum. He also got the same offer Big12 did for the pac12 a little while back. I wanted to pile of him too, but it appears some universities had their mind set on destroying the Pac, unless it was a deal that was somewhere near big10 or SEC money which was not going to happen as a base offer.
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Kirk Schulz has had nothing but effusive praise for George K. Add to that, on the evening before the Pac-12 imploded, instead of entertaining the mountain of the reports of eminent Pac-12 defections and its collapse (like we all were), confirming their merit and doing everything he could to head it off or to buy some time, Schulz was presenting our Regents "an innovative media plan that would position the Pac-12 to lead the Power Five conferences into the future."
Let that sink in for a minute. ... Schulz was in utter La La land at the very moment he was needed the most, the eve of doomsday. What was the title of his "innovative" presentation? "The Pac-12 -- More solid than the Rock of Gibraltar"? You can't sincerely defend that level of ineptitude, its straight out of Monty Python.
Let that sink in for a minute. ... Schulz was in utter La La land at the very moment he was needed the most, the eve of doomsday. What was the title of his "innovative" presentation? "The Pac-12 -- More solid than the Rock of Gibraltar"? You can't sincerely defend that level of ineptitude, its straight out of Monty Python.
No one got fired or resigned for 9/11 either. Douglas MacArthur actually received the Medal of Honor for being the architect of the worst defeat in US military history in the Philippines, to a smaller Japanese force, that had to conduct an amphibious landing over 200 miles of sea. Schulz not only won't resign or be fired, he is inline for a raise. It is how we do things.
I'm 56 years old now, and candidly, my passion for college football has been waning for several years now. I've been a season ticket holder for decades. Hell, I had reserve section season tickets back in 1992 when I was a student. I've been a Beasley RV Lot #1 pass holder for approaching 20 years. My WSU football ride has been epic. From the 1982 Apple Cup, the Price era, the magnificent 1997 season, 2001-2003, the Wulff sadness, and the Leach resurrection. It's been both a kick in the ass and a punch to the gut.
This latest realignment stuff isn't at all surprising to me. I've been expecting this for years. Honestly though, it's not the media dollars and conference affiliation that has soured things for me. We've always been on the outside looking in a the blue blood programs. I can deal with that. One of the things that drew me to WSU was the middle-of-nowhere small-town underdog mentality of our campus. What's ruining my interest in the game is the unregulated portal/NIL situation and the fact that the NCAA isn't facilitating a path for the G5 programs and their conferences to compete and qualify for the college football playoff similar to how March Madness is run.
With just a few tweaks to the portal, the playing field would be level enough for my liking. Something along the lines of signed LOI's from incoming true freshmen carried a 2-year commitment. Players, with the exception of family/hardship cases, cannot transfer to another program until the end of their 2nd year. Then, if blue-bloods want to come hard after them with NIL dollars, that's fine. At least it doesn't invalidate all of the recruiting efforts that coaches in the FCS and G5 make to find the 2-3 star diamonds in the rough. Those coaches would know that they're at least going to get a couple of seasons out of those kids.
I'd also like to see a policy where players can only use the portal in two instances. 1) after your 2nd season with your program, and 2) as a graduate transfer where you're given an extra year of eligibility if you obtain your degree in (5) seasons. Yes, I'm suggesting that if a kid comes in, redshirts, plays 4 years and has their degree, they can earn an extra 5th year of football anywhere they'd like to play. Why do I favor that? Because it encourages and rewards kids to graduate, and also because those types of kids aren't necessarily going to be NFL guys, so they'd be more desirable targets for the G5, FCS, and lower level super conference programs. It actually would give a program like Boise State or Fresno a competitive loophole. OK Alabama, we can't come close to recruiting at your level, but we can field teams with a half dozen 2-3 star 23 year olds who can stand up physically to your 18-19 year old stars.
The Mountain West Conference plays good football. San Jose State looked like they belonged on the field with USC yesterday. Boise State, SDSU, and Fresno State can hang with bottom 2/3 of most super conference programs. For me, that's good football. That's where WSU has dwelled forever. If the NCAA has any sense at all, they'll institute a few policy changes to preserve the G5 and give them *some* competitive chances. If they don't, I'll go quietly into that Palouse night.
This latest realignment stuff isn't at all surprising to me. I've been expecting this for years. Honestly though, it's not the media dollars and conference affiliation that has soured things for me. We've always been on the outside looking in a the blue blood programs. I can deal with that. One of the things that drew me to WSU was the middle-of-nowhere small-town underdog mentality of our campus. What's ruining my interest in the game is the unregulated portal/NIL situation and the fact that the NCAA isn't facilitating a path for the G5 programs and their conferences to compete and qualify for the college football playoff similar to how March Madness is run.
With just a few tweaks to the portal, the playing field would be level enough for my liking. Something along the lines of signed LOI's from incoming true freshmen carried a 2-year commitment. Players, with the exception of family/hardship cases, cannot transfer to another program until the end of their 2nd year. Then, if blue-bloods want to come hard after them with NIL dollars, that's fine. At least it doesn't invalidate all of the recruiting efforts that coaches in the FCS and G5 make to find the 2-3 star diamonds in the rough. Those coaches would know that they're at least going to get a couple of seasons out of those kids.
I'd also like to see a policy where players can only use the portal in two instances. 1) after your 2nd season with your program, and 2) as a graduate transfer where you're given an extra year of eligibility if you obtain your degree in (5) seasons. Yes, I'm suggesting that if a kid comes in, redshirts, plays 4 years and has their degree, they can earn an extra 5th year of football anywhere they'd like to play. Why do I favor that? Because it encourages and rewards kids to graduate, and also because those types of kids aren't necessarily going to be NFL guys, so they'd be more desirable targets for the G5, FCS, and lower level super conference programs. It actually would give a program like Boise State or Fresno a competitive loophole. OK Alabama, we can't come close to recruiting at your level, but we can field teams with a half dozen 2-3 star 23 year olds who can stand up physically to your 18-19 year old stars.
The Mountain West Conference plays good football. San Jose State looked like they belonged on the field with USC yesterday. Boise State, SDSU, and Fresno State can hang with bottom 2/3 of most super conference programs. For me, that's good football. That's where WSU has dwelled forever. If the NCAA has any sense at all, they'll institute a few policy changes to preserve the G5 and give them *some* competitive chances. If they don't, I'll go quietly into that Palouse night.
If players can go anytime for more money, why not just let them go to the NFL anytime? Although, the way it’s going, they’ll probably make more in college than in the NFL.
It would be nice to keep players, but if that‘s not in the cards, just let them go to the NFL if they want to.
No it's not. Wulff was a stud Cougar football player.Kirk on George circa May 2022!
Washington State president Kirk Schulz: Q&A on the Kliavkoff hire and direction of the Pac-12
Schulz was a member of the search committee that hired George Kliavkoff a year ago.
"Clueless" circa August 2023,
Washington State Board of Regents chair says 'no one on WSU team to blame' after Pac-12 implosion
Washington State is one of the few remaining schools in the Pac-12 after five schools departed the embattled conference on Friday.
Why on earth should a guy, so out of touch, resign? Maybe it was his job to have been in touch, and been on the ball!
Defending Kirk is like defending Paul Wulff!
You have me there. He was part of the greatest OL in school history, bar none. Two 1000 yard rushers and they had #1 UCLA completely gassed in 1988, despite Broussard being left at home.
