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Stud JC TE gets the offer

Would of been nice to get both, but Logan offers the best skill set at the TE/HB position. Wasn't Grant contacted by someone? I think Compton is All Pac-12.
 
After reading that, no thanks.

You did read the part that the road itself was deemed unsafe after another accident involving the death of a sheriff deputy and has since been upgraded with a new surface and that there have been no accidents since then?

I think you have to really be sure if you are going to offer a kid that has been involved in that type of situation, but ruining someone's life because of a poorly maintained road is a little harsh. I get it that he killed someone in a wreck when he was driving foolishly, but does that mean we should cut every player who's ever made a mistake behind the wheel? Jayden got caught driving under the influence. That is arguably more serious than driving 11 mph over the speed limit. Should we have never let JDL play again?
 
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You did read the part that the road itself was deemed unsafe after another accident involving the death of a sheriff deputy and has since been upgraded with a new surface and that there have been no accidents since then?

I think you have to really be sure if you are going to offer a kid that has been involved in that type of situation, but ruining someone's life because of a poorly maintained road is a little harsh. I get it that he killed someone in a wreck when he was driving foolishly, but does that mean we should cut every player who's ever made a mistake behind the wheel? Jayden got caught driving under the influence. That is arguably more serious than driving 11 mph over the speed limit. Should we have never let JDL play again?

He was going 86 in a 75, how many of us go 10 over on I-90? He wasn't drinking and driving, it doesn't appear he was texting, he lost control nn a poorly maintained road. It really sucks for him. He now has PTSD from, survivors guilt and a lot other emotional issues from it. The DA didn't press charges do to the evidence and witnesses. I understand the family is grieving, but I'm pretty sure he was probably advised by counsel to not make any contact with the women's family.

Ryan McShane accidently killed Jason McEndoo's wife in a accident on I-90. Should he have been kicked off the team? That was a really dramatic experience for everybody involved.
 
You did read the part that the road itself was deemed unsafe after another accident involving the death of a sheriff deputy and has since been upgraded with a new surface and that there have been no accidents since then?

I think you have to really be sure if you are going to offer a kid that has been involved in that type of situation, but ruining someone's life because of a poorly maintained road is a little harsh. I get it that he killed someone in a wreck when he was driving foolishly, but does that mean we should cut every player who's ever made a mistake behind the wheel? Jayden got caught driving under the influence. That is arguably more serious than driving 11 mph over the speed limit. Should we have never let JDL play again?
Robert Barber was unanimously acquitted by a Whitman County jury. But some people wanted to ruin his life.....

Not ruining this kid's life, in fact sparing him from having to transfer when Morris departs for another gig and the TE disappears from the offense again.

Just wary of tight ends in motor vehicles especially those who end up in NFL. (And why hasn't Baylor or K-State aka transfer U gone after him)?

That account btw, reads like the account of Sam Jankovich in Spokesman after HIS fatal accident (supposedly fell asleep on way home from booster meeting)
 
He was going 86 in a 75, how many of us go 10 over on I-90? He wasn't drinking and driving, it doesn't appear he was texting, he lost control nn a poorly maintained road. It really sucks for him. He now has PTSD from, survivors guilt and a lot other emotional issues from it. The DA didn't press charges do to the evidence and witnesses. I understand the family is grieving, but I'm pretty sure he was probably advised by counsel to not make any contact with the women's family.

Ryan McShane accidently killed Jason McEndoo's wife in a accident on I-90. Should he have been kicked off the team? That was a really dramatic experience for everybody involved.
They were already here.

Jeramy Stevens was driving below the speed limit when he drove into that old folk's home.

Hard ass Rich Neuheisal suspended him for 1st quarter of the Idaho game.

The roads around Pullman are probably much worse (especially November to March) than where he drove.

Will the AD send out a Crimson Alert (like those Silver Alerts WSDOT sends out) whenever this guy is driving during the season?
 
They were already here.

Jeramy Stevens was driving below the speed limit when he drove into that old folk's home.

Hard ass Rich Neuheisal suspended him for 1st quarter of the Idaho game.

The roads around Pullman are probably much worse (especially November to March) than where he drove.

Will the AD send out a Crimson Alert (like those Silver Alerts WSDOT sends out) whenever this guy is driving during the season?
Wait....Stevens was hammered. He was driving north on 15th, crossed the lane and went another 12 feet into the nursing home. This kid drove too fast. Does he have other driving infractions that says he is a menace. If that were the case you would let Sam Jankovich ever run our program less get in a.car in Pullman.
 
They were already here.

Jeramy Stevens was driving below the speed limit when he drove into that old folk's home.

Hard ass Rich Neuheisal suspended him for 1st quarter of the Idaho game.

The roads around Pullman are probably much worse (especially November to March) than where he drove.

Will the AD send out a Crimson Alert (like those Silver Alerts WSDOT sends out) whenever this guy is driving during the season?
On a normal day yes, the roads are probably better in Texas during that period. However, with any type of bad weather, Pullman roads are much better because they have the equipment and know how to make the roads drivable.

Here is a photo from earlier this season. Guess what side is Texas? Arkansas?

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They were already here.

Jeramy Stevens was driving below the speed limit when he drove into that old folk's home.

Hard ass Rich Neuheisal suspended him for 1st quarter of the Idaho game.

The roads around Pullman are probably much worse (especially November to March) than where he drove.

Will the AD send out a Crimson Alert (like those Silver Alerts WSDOT sends out) whenever this guy is driving during the season?
He's not alone.
 
Robert Barber was unanimously acquitted by a Whitman County jury. But some people wanted to ruin his life.....

Not ruining this kid's life, in fact sparing him from having to transfer when Morris departs for another gig and the TE disappears from the offense again.

Just wary of tight ends in motor vehicles especially those who end up in NFL. (And why hasn't Baylor or K-State aka transfer U gone after him)?


That account btw, reads like the account of Sam Jankovich in Spokesman after HIS fatal accident (supposedly fell asleep on way home from booster meeting)
 
He was going 86 in a 75, how many of us go 10 over on I-90? He wasn't drinking and driving, it doesn't appear he was texting, he lost control nn a poorly maintained road. It really sucks for him. He now has PTSD from, survivors guilt and a lot other emotional issues from it. The DA didn't press charges do to the evidence and witnesses. I understand the family is grieving, but I'm pretty sure he was probably advised by counsel to not make any contact with the women's family.

Ryan McShane accidently killed Jason McEndoo's wife in a accident on I-90. Should he have been kicked off the team? That was a really dramatic experience for everybody involved.
If there’s a place that’s ideal for someone who’s gone through that kind of traumatic experience it’s WSU.
 
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Robert Barber was unanimously acquitted by a Whitman County jury. But some people wanted to ruin his life.....

Not ruining this kid's life, in fact sparing him from having to transfer when Morris departs for another gig and the TE disappears from the offense again.

Just wary of tight ends in motor vehicles especially those who end up in NFL. (And why hasn't Baylor or K-State aka transfer U gone after him)?

That account btw, reads like the account of Sam Jankovich in Spokesman after HIS fatal accident (supposedly fell asleep on way home from booster meeting)

There is a huge difference between driving 11 mph over the speed limit and beating the sh!t out of someone. I don't know this recruit so I don't know if he's worth recruiting or not, but I've got no fuggin' use for Robert Barber or anyone who defends him. Again, the road was so bad that a cop ended up getting killed in the same spot not long after that. If the coaching staff talked to the kid and he was truly remorseful and repentant, I'd say give him a chance. Again, driving 11 mph over the speed limit is dumb, but it's not the same thing as assaulting people when you're drunk.

Go f#ck yourself and Robert Barber. If he was worth the trouble, he wouldn't be invisible these days. I still laugh at the hypocrisy of people when it comes to football. If Barber was a Husky, you wouldn't be bringing his sorry ass up years later.
 
There is a huge difference between driving 11 mph over the speed limit and beating the sh!t out of someone. I don't know this recruit so I don't know if he's worth recruiting or not, but I've got no fuggin' use for Robert Barber or anyone who defends him. Again, the road was so bad that a cop ended up getting killed in the same spot not long after that. If the coaching staff talked to the kid and he was truly remorseful and repentant, I'd say give him a chance. Again, driving 11 mph over the speed limit is dumb, but it's not the same thing as assaulting people when you're drunk.

Go f#ck yourself and Robert Barber. If he was worth the trouble, he wouldn't be invisible these days. I still laugh at the hypocrisy of people when it comes to football. If Barber was a Husky, you wouldn't be bringing his sorry ass up years later.
Where is the perfect line in all this judgment?
 
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There is a huge difference between driving 11 mph over the speed limit and beating the sh!t out of someone. I don't know this recruit so I don't know if he's worth recruiting or not, but I've got no fuggin' use for Robert Barber or anyone who defends him. Again, the road was so bad that a cop ended up getting killed in the same spot not long after that. If the coaching staff talked to the kid and he was truly remorseful and repentant, I'd say give him a chance. Again, driving 11 mph over the speed limit is dumb, but it's not the same thing as assaulting people when you're drunk.

Go f#ck yourself and Robert Barber. If he was worth the trouble, he wouldn't be invisible these days. I still laugh at the hypocrisy of people when it comes to football. If Barber was a Husky, you wouldn't be bringing his sorry ass up years later.
There’s a broad spectrum of dumb and for a 17 year old driving a little too fast is on the lightest end of that spectrum. For kids like this that have had something tragic happen, there’s millions who drive too fast or reckless and luck favors them and they just have a few speeding tix.
Yeah, if the kid is remorseful he shouldn’t have doors closing everywhere in his life because of a minor mistake that ended in tragedy. He’s going to need a community of caring people around him for a long time because that’s going to stick with him.
 
The legal system is set up with sentencing guidelines and punishments. The kid apparently had consequences doled out based on his age, actions and evidence.

Edit: the DA apparently didn't press charges/see above for how the legal system is set up.

It's not our job to add on additional sentencing. If Dickhert and Co. have vetted it, they are the ones now on notice if things ever go sideways with the kid.

If and when our legal system becomes circumvented by the opinion of the masses screaming their opinion, we may as well go back to pitchforks, torches and burning at the stake style justice.

Might also want to remind Cougs of this guy named Michael Black. He did his time at a youth correctional facility. Good thing Mike Price didn't pile on additional years to his sentence or we'd be reminiscing about the 1997 Alamo Bowl.
 
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Where is the perfect line in all this judgment?

He was caught on video beating the crap out of a dude half his size. I wouldn't have kicked him out of school if I had been on the SCB, but he deserved to be punished severely, particularly given how messed up our team was that summer. We had a bunch of guys committing criminal acts that year and Barber wasn't alone in his stupidity. Maybe Barber got treated "too harshly" but if you are going to be a stupid a$$hole along with a bunch of other stupid a$$holes, bad things are going to happen.

So, guilty of criminal assault or not, I've got no use for the man. He was an a$$hole and a thug and he needed a kick in the nuts. I've said before that I wouldn't have kicked him off the team and out of school, but every guy who got caught up in that summer of stupidity should have been suspended for multiple games and publicly punished. Instead, our little tyrant football coach went with the, "we are handling this internally" approach and that encouraged others to take action for him. If Leach spent less time playing God, maybe Barber would have gotten a different punishment. As it was, it's blatantly obvious that a lot of folks were more concerned with getting his ass back on the football field than doing what was right.
 
He was caught on video beating the crap out of a dude half his size. I wouldn't have kicked him out of school if I had been on the SCB, but he deserved to be punished severely, particularly given how messed up our team was that summer. We had a bunch of guys committing criminal acts that year and Barber wasn't alone in his stupidity. Maybe Barber got treated "too harshly" but if you are going to be a stupid a$$hole along with a bunch of other stupid a$$holes, bad things are going to happen.

So, guilty of criminal assault or not, I've got no use for the man. He was an a$$hole and a thug and he needed a kick in the nuts. I've said before that I wouldn't have kicked him off the team and out of school, but every guy who got caught up in that summer of stupidity should have been suspended for multiple games and publicly punished. Instead, our little tyrant football coach went with the, "we are handling this internally" approach and that encouraged others to take action for him. If Leach spent less time playing God, maybe Barber would have gotten a different punishment. As it was, it's blatantly obvious that a lot of folks were more concerned with getting his ass back on the football field than doing what was right.
You're not the judge, the jury or the executioner Flat.

That's how the system works in the US. Do you hate America?

Or just show selective outrage as it relates to WSU athletes?
 
You're not the judge, the jury or the executioner Flat.

That's how the system works in the US. Do you hate America?

Or just show selective outrage as it relates to WSU athletes?
I don't know what it is, but he has been grinding the Barber axe for going on 10 years now...for me it wasn't about Barber as much as it was the sham of a process in which unaccountable bureaucrats became the judge, jury and executioner for student discipline.
 
Did they test the kid for alcohol? Maybe that is the difference between he and Sam J.....
 
There is a reason Barber was found not guilty of either the felony or misdemeanor charges, a coked up frat boy decided to F around and found out. The incident clearly warranted investigation, but had the police done their job no charges would have been brought.

Pullman PD showed up on the scene and say a football player and decided to get that guy. Other people were on video going bonkers as well, but the police had no interest in who they were or why they were behaving the way they were. This seems pretty important to figuring out what was happening that evening. Why did backpack guy feel the need to go ballistic? Did he feel Barber was a threat to him? Did he feel others had been hostile to Barber before and it was about to go down?

This was the same summer where Shalom Luani got assaulted at Domino's by a group of students, ended up with a concussion, and the cops arrested him. For many of us, this was the incident which made us question the handling of the Barber incident. The police didn't show an interest in getting to the truth of what happened, they just wanted to get the football player in cuffs. They needed to twist the facts to fit the narrative. Like a sleazy defense attorney would.
 
I don't know what it is, but he has been grinding the Barber axe for going on 10 years now...for me it wasn't about Barber as much as it was the sham of a process in which unaccountable bureaucrats became the judge, jury and executioner for student discipline.

I never, ever bring up Robert Barber. I don't give a sh!t about him. I only respond when knuckleheads say, "Durrrr, Robert Barber, durrrr". If nobody ever types his name on this forum again, I promise you that I won't.
 
Lol. Good one. Were you too on campus back then for that???
Oh Millard was a menace. So was Brent White and Junior Tupolo. He was off the rail nuts.

Both were not pleasant human beings, and after they had some cocktails all bets were off.

An acquaintance of mine met a girl at a bar and started to leave with her. Millard was standing by the door. As my friend left Millard said "you arent leaving with her? The guy asked Milllard if he knew her, and he said he didn't but that this guy was not going to leave with her.

The guy did, Millard followed him to the parking lot, chased him around, caught him, put him on his knees and started head butting him. White and Eric WIlliams finally pulled Millard away from the guy.

Walden looked the other way saying he had a troubled past, which he did. But wasn't held accountable at all.
 
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There is a reason Barber was found not guilty of either the felony or misdemeanor charges, a coked up frat boy decided to F around and found out. The incident clearly warranted investigation, but had the police done their job no charges would have been brought.

Pullman PD showed up on the scene and say a football player and decided to get that guy. Other people were on video going bonkers as well, but the police had no interest in who they were or why they were behaving the way they were. This seems pretty important to figuring out what was happening that evening. Why did backpack guy feel the need to go ballistic? Did he feel Barber was a threat to him? Did he feel others had been hostile to Barber before and it was about to go down?

This was the same summer where Shalom Luani got assaulted at Domino's by a group of students, ended up with a concussion, and the cops arrested him. For many of us, this was the incident which made us question the handling of the Barber incident. The police didn't show an interest in getting to the truth of what happened, they just wanted to get the football player in cuffs. They needed to twist the facts to fit the narrative. Like a sleazy defense attorney would.
Interesting both football players were minding their own business and they didn't bare any responsibility. Using your logic how do you know Luani wasn't the "coked up" football player who "f-ed" around in the parking lot and he "found out". Interesting narrative.

Love to see the threat the coked up frat boy brought to a 330 pound d lineman. Be more than interested to see that again since it constantly gets brought up and see if time has changed what I remember seeing the first time.
 
Oh Millard was a menace. So was Brent White and Junior Tupolo. He was off the rail nuts.

Both were not pleasant human beings, and after they had some cocktails all best were off.

An acquaintance of mine met a girl at a bar and started to leave with her. Millard was standing by the door. AS my friend left Millard said "you arent leaving with her? The guy asked Milllard if he knew her, and he said he didn' but that this guy was not going to leave with her.

The guy did, Millard followed him to the parking lot, chased him around, caught him, put him on his knees and started head butting him. White and Eric WIlliams finally pulled Millard away from the guy.

Walden looked the other way saying he had a troubled past, which he did. But wasn't held accountable at all.

Junior was fine. Never had any issue with him whatsoever. Either sober at the gym (junior could hoop) or drinking at the Coug. Only guys I ever saw him get after were the ones who wanted to be tough guys. That was not a good self preservation move

Millard was a different story. Got stuck in a sorority dance pre funk with him once at a hotel in Moscow. I prayed for two hours that my eyes never went in the direction of his date because I knew I would be a dead man just for looking

Erik Williams, Eric Howard, Charlie Flager and a few others large footballers probably saved the lives of dozens of WSU males during those years by defusing chaos.
 
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Ken Phelps. Robert Barber. Ken Phelps.
Speaking of Ken Phelps, there is a WSU connection, many probably do not know that Ken Phelps was on the WSU baseball team his Freshman year under Bobo Brayton, left and went to Mesa Jr College, then 2 years at ASU. Then was drafted KC Royals in 1976
 
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Junior was fine. Never had any issue with him whatsoever. Either sober at the gym (junior could hoop) or drinking at the Coug. Only guys I ever saw him get after were the ones who wanted to be tough guys. That was not a good self preservation move

Millard was a different story. Got stuck in a sorority dance pre funk with him once at a hotel in Moscow. I prayed for two hours that my eyes never went in the direction of his date because I knew I would be a dead man just for looking

Erik Williams, Eric Howard, Charlie Flager and a few others large footballers probably saved the lives of dozens of WSU males during those years by defusing chaos.
Your experience was same as mine. I genuinely enjoyed being around Junior, and made it a point to steer clear of Millard because of the high likelihood of imminent trouble.
 
Your experience was same as mine. I genuinely enjoyed being around Junior, and made it a point to steer clear of Millard because of the high likelihood of imminent trouble.
Junior had a temper....glad he has turned it around but you could say I wasnt a big fan of his.

My only saving grace was my closest friend lived across the street from Heidi and that kept us from getting into trouble.
 
Interesting both football players were minding their own business and they didn't bare any responsibility. Using your logic how do you know Luani wasn't the "coked up" football player who "f-ed" around in the parking lot and he "found out". Interesting narrative.

Love to see the threat the coked up frat boy brought to a 330 pound d lineman. Be more than interested to see that again since it constantly gets brought up and see if time has changed what I remember seeing the first time.

They had video of Luani at Domino's. He was standing in line some people decided to get in his face, Luani pushed one of them out of his space as he was exiting and a bunch of guys followed him out the door. Arresting Luani was a joke and Leach was understandably pissed given the circumstances of the arrest.
 
He was caught on video beating the crap out of a dude half his size. I wouldn't have kicked him out of school if I had been on the SCB, but he deserved to be punished severely, particularly given how messed up our team was that summer. We had a bunch of guys committing criminal acts that year and Barber wasn't alone in his stupidity. Maybe Barber got treated "too harshly" but if you are going to be a stupid a$$hole along with a bunch of other stupid a$$holes, bad things are going to happen.

So, guilty of criminal assault or not, I've got no use for the man. He was an a$$hole and a thug and he needed a kick in the nuts. I've said before that I wouldn't have kicked him off the team and out of school, but every guy who got caught up in that summer of stupidity should have been suspended for multiple games and publicly punished. Instead, our little tyrant football coach went with the, "we are handling this internally" approach and that encouraged others to take action for him. If Leach spent less time playing God, maybe Barber would have gotten a different punishment. As it was, it's blatantly obvious that a lot of folks were more concerned with getting his ass back on the football field than doing what was right.
Luani got jumpped and the frat boys that did so forgot that for Polys fighting is somewhere between eating and breathing and ended up getting their ass beat. Don't fault Luani for that at all, but that didn't stop the Evergreen and every other football basher from making him out to be a punk football player.
 
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They had video of Luani at Domino's. He was standing in line some people decided to get in his face, Luani pushed one of them out of his space as he was exiting and a bunch of guys followed him out the door. Arresting Luani was a joke and Leach was understandably pissed given the circumstances of the arrest.
Wait you saw what happened in the parking lot?
 
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