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[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Do I think accuracy in reporting by hospitals was consistent across every state and municipality? No.

Do I think consistency was applied across every state and municipality for what was recorded on a death certificate? No.

But we do have a generally accurate sense of the affect the virus had on people with or without the vaccine that was demonstrated all over the world. And in the US, those that died and were registered as republicans died at a significantly higher rate than those who vote Democrat.

Do I think there was a grand conspiracy to inflate deaths for profit? No. Not do I believe covid was a hoax. You apparently do. Taihtsat

So when someone died during that time, hospitals weren't incentivized to notate on the death certificate that the deceased had Covid at the time the person passed? What do you believe to be true when it comes to how deaths were reported? You think hospitals were truthful in how they reported deaths?

 

[CougInSpain]

Dumb Covid study

Life expectancy Rate

Do the Covid experts on this board see any sort of correlation between life expectancy rates and the supposed Covid death rate?

I'll save the progressive nutjobs on here the time.... The average median age for the study was 78 years old. Now a long pause for dramatic effect................. The median age for life expectancy rates in the US are, wait for it, 77.5 years old. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Dumb Covid study

Life expectancy Rate

Do the Covid experts on this board see any sort of correlation between life expectancy rates and the supposed Covid death rate?

You tell me what these two links mean to you, because I don't believe YOU even know

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

Don't forget the FDA is covering up potential vaccine deaths by counting anyone who dies within 14 days of getting vaccinated as unvaccinated. This is what they pulled since the beginning

 

[CougEd]

So when someone died during that time, hospitals weren't incentivized to notate on the death certificate that the deceased had Covid at the time the person passed? What do you believe to be true when it comes to how deaths were reported? You think hospitals were truthful in how they reported deaths?

Well I will agree it makes it hard when everything is up for grabs in terms of information. I present Justin with three trials showing effective in preventing covid and he says pharma manipulated the data . Let me say for discussion sake, why biotechs spend millions only to have very few drugs over years have success and make it to market. Why dont biotechs just manipulate the samples and the data to get more frugs to market? Weird they only figured out this "easy" strategy when it came to covid .

 

[CougInSpain]

Do I think accuracy in reporting by hospitals was consistent across every state and municipality? No.

Do I think consistency was applied across every state and municipality for what was recorded on a death certificate? No.

But we do have a generally accurate sense of the affect the virus had on people with or without the vaccine that was demonstrated all over the world. And in the US, those that died and were registered as republicans died at a significantly higher rate than those who vote Democrat.

Do I think there was a grand conspiracy to inflate deaths for profit? No. Not do I believe covid was a hoax. You apparently do. Taihtsat

So when you conduct a study in a predominantly republican area without conducting the same study in heavily retarded, I mean democrat areas to compare it to, sort of defeats the purpose of the study.

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

Well I will agree it makes it hard when everything is up for grabs in terms of information. I present Justin with three trials showing effective in preventing covid and he says pharma manipulated the data . Let me say for discussion sake, why biotechs spend millions only to have very few drugs over years have success and make it to market. Why dont biotechs just manipulate the samples and the data to get more frugs to market? Weird they only figured out this "easy" strategy when it came to covid .

No they did the same shit with oxycontin I believe it was

 

[CougInSpain]

Do I think accuracy in reporting by hospitals was consistent across every state and municipality? No.

Do I think consistency was applied across every state and municipality for what was recorded on a death certificate? No.

But we do have a generally accurate sense of the affect the virus had on people with or without the vaccine that was demonstrated all over the world. And in the US, those that died and were registered as republicans died at a significantly higher rate than those who vote Democrat.

Do I think there was a grand conspiracy to inflate deaths for profit? No. Not do I believe covid was a hoax. You apparently do. Taihtsat

Its not a conspiracy... My sister works in a hospital, I have plenty of friends who work in hospitals and they all say it was rigged. Anytime someone died in the hospital during the height of Covid, it was counted as Covid related regardless.

 

[Coug90]

Getting two difference messages. Was it the vaccine or social distancing?

Also that doesn't take away the fact that the media you sheepishly follow said it was safe and effective and people died after taking it.

I’d be curious to know if anyone’s ever been decapitated by their seatbelt, or a similar type of deadly injury in an accident. I’d guess that’s happened a few times.

 

[CougEd]

Don't forget the FDA is covering up potential vaccine deaths by counting anyone who dies within 14 days of getting vaccinated as unvaccinated. This is what they pulled since the beginning

No other reason you can think of ? Only reason is the entire FDA is covering it up?

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

No other reason you can think of ? Only reason is the entire FDA is covering it up?

So the fact they put safe guards in place from the beginning to skew the numbers doesn't matter? Cool Ed.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

I'll save the progressive nutjobs on here the time.... The average median age for the study was 78 years old. Now a long pause for dramatic effect................. The median age for life expectancy rates in the US are, wait for it, 77.5 years old. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

I'll save you the trouble, since you don't put in the work to read what you link: ( and remember the study was about EXCESS MORTALITY - deaths above and beyond what would normally be expected)

The median age at death was 78 years (IQR, 71-89 years). Overall, the excess death rate for Republican voters was 2.8 percentage points, or 15%, higher than the excess death rate for Democratic voters

Older voters - especially in Florida - tend to vote Republican. Republicans also tended to NOT trust the vaccines. Therefore, OLDER REPUBLICAN VOTERS DIED AT A HIGHER RATE because their rate of vaccination was LOWER! Pretty simple. Taihtsat

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

I’d be curious to know if anyone’s ever been decapitated by their seatbelt, or a similar type of deadly injury in an accident. I’d guess that’s happened a few times.

Well they're forced to say it's safe and effective because the pharmaceutical companies pay the bills at the news networks.

 

[Coug90]

Its not a conspiracy... My sister works in a hospital, I have plenty of friends who work in hospitals and they all say it was rigged. Anytime someone died in the hospital during the height of Covid, it was counted as Covid related regardless.

So none of you guys have any real world examples you can reference? 5 people I know of through 2nd connections died. All under 50. 3 from the same extended family. I’m big into real world proof (eyes and ears remember). In my entire life I’ve not heard of anyone who’s died of the flu, let alone 5 within a year.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Don't forget the FDA is covering up potential vaccine deaths by counting anyone who dies within 14 days of getting vaccinated as unvaccinated. This is what they pulled since the beginning

So...new facts DON'T change your beliefs? You just move on to the next unsourced conspiracy?

 

[Coug90]

Well they're forced to say it's safe and effective because the pharmaceutical companies pay the bills at the news networks.

Auto manufacturers have a lot of influence too (remember 2008). I’m sure some family has generational wealth right now because of Mr seatbelt.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

So none of you guys have any real world examples you can reference? 5 people I know of through 2nd connections died. All under 50. 3 from the same extended family. I’m big into real world proof (eyes and ears remember). In my entire life I’ve not heard of anyone who’s died of the flu, let alone 5 within a year.

Yes, and I'll add some more anecdotal evidence: I personally know of 3 people who were hospitalized and were NOT vaccinated. I personally knew no one who WAS vaccinated and was hospitalized.

I do not know anyone either way who died, however.

These two are classic examples of utilizing motivated reasoning.

 

[CougEd]

Its not a conspiracy... My sister works in a hospital, I have plenty of friends who work in hospitals and they all say it was rigged. Anytime someone died in the hospital during the height of Covid, it was counted as Covid related regardless.

No they did the same shit with oxycontin I believe it was

Please tell me how that was accomplished because my friend has two drugs going through trials. One is in it is in the second trial and the other is in the third trial and I am sure he would live to know how to manipulate the trial data .

It could be worth millions to you if you have the answers .

 

[Coug90]

Yes, and I'll add some more anecdotal evidence: I personally know of 3 people who were hospitalized and were NOT vaccinated. I personally knew no one who WAS vaccinated and was hospitalized.

I do not know anyone either way who died, however.

These two are classic examples of utilizing motivated reasoning.

Husband and wife unvaxed. Both were hospitalized and intubated. Husband died. Wife was in the hospital several weeks and survived.

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

So...new facts DON'T change your beliefs? You just move on to the next unsourced conspiracy?

I can change my beliefs just fine. I will look at it later when I'm on my computer.

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

Please tell me how that was accomplished because my friend has two drugs going through trials. One is in it is in the second trial and the other is in the third trial and I am sure he would live to know how to manipulate the trial data .

It could be worth millions to you if you have the answers .

Purdue pharma documents. There's a documentary on it that escapes me right now

 

[Coug90]

Auto manufacturers have a lot of influence too (remember 2008). I’m sure some family has generational wealth right now because of Mr seatbelt.

I’m not sure what the giggle is for. I don’t disagree with you that drug companies have way too much influence (ie $ being thrown at politicians). That’s the unfortunate crossroads of capitalism and the nature of our political system.

Also doesn’t mean the drug companies aren’t needed. Lots of people owe their lives to pharmaceutical research and the development of drugs that cure diseases or suppress symptoms of disease and extend lives. Gleasons foundation has a significant chunk of change going to research on cures for ALS. You have a problem with that?

 

[WillieThePimp]

VAERS is only as good as the people who make the inputs. If hospitals are incentivized to report deaths as Covid, then one has to think those inputs will be seriously skewed. But deductive reasoning from pompous asshats like yourself become you.

How and why weee hospitals incentivized to report deaths as due to Covid? This sounds like just another conspiracy theory.

The numbers are skewed for a multitude of reasons but it’s important to understand that VAERS and FAERS reporting are raw data sets only that have not been vetted and often lack context. How adverse events are reported may be the issue that is not easily solved but a far greater issue is people with agendas abusing data to exert influence over others. This has real world health consequences that we see time and time again.

Raw data like VAERS is just that: Raw data. It’s up to statisticians and epidemiologists to parse the VAERS data and look for meaningful trends. The general public does not understand this.

No doubt some people have died from the vaccines but only a very small number and most likely only due to anaphylaxis or myocarditis, of which the vast majority of people fully recover from.

Life often comes down to risk management and the benefits of vaccines vastly outweigh the risks which make them a slam dunk. This is not news.

 

[CougInSpain]

I'll save you the trouble, since you don't put in the work to read what you link: ( and remember the study was about EXCESS MORTALITY - deaths above and beyond what would normally be expected)

The median age at death was 78 years (IQR, 71-89 years). Overall, the excess death rate for Republican voters was 2.8 percentage points, or 15%, higher than the excess death rate for Democratic voters

Older voters - especially in Florida - tend to vote Republican. Republicans also tended to NOT trust the vaccines. Therefore, OLDER REPUBLICAN VOTERS DIED AT A HIGHER RATE because their rate of vaccination was LOWER! Pretty simple. Taihtsat

Now do the same with black people... You know, the ones who didn't trust the vaccine as well. What is consider excess btw? Overall deaths reported during that span seem to correlate with the increased death rate year after year. Well why would we have an increasing death rate you ask? Good question libbie.......... Maybe it might have to do with our expanding population? You just don't like to question anything do you? Like how the study was even conducted.... You just swallow that BS wholesale don't you?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Its not a conspiracy... My sister works in a hospital, I have plenty of friends who work in hospitals and they all say it was rigged. Anytime someone died in the hospital during the height of Covid, it was counted as Covid related regardless.

My wife worked in the largest hospital in the state of Kansas during COVID and unless someone died from COVID....their cause of death was not listed as COVID. So much fake information out there.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

I can change my beliefs just fine. I will look at it later when I'm on my computer.

And PLEASE source your assertions. You asked me to do so and I did. You have yet to do so. I'm REALLY interested to know where you get your info and what you base it on.

 

[WillieThePimp]

No other reason you can think of ? Only reason is the entire FDA is covering it up?

Again this is where a college education from WSU may have helped him. 14 days is the time period before vaccines are considered to be at full efficacy due to immune response.

To some life is an utterly confusing mystery. That’s why we have conspiracy theories, cults and religion.

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

Again this is where a college education from WSU may have helped him. 14 days is the time period before vaccines are considered to be at full efficacy due to immune response.

To some life is an utterly confusing mystery. That’s why we have conspiracy theories, cults and religion.

I guess lying about a cause of death is okay just as long as 14 days hasn't passed. Cool story

 

[CougEd]

How and why weee hospitals incentivized to report deaths as due to Covid? This sounds like just another conspiracy theory.

The numbers are skewed for a multitude of reasons but it’s important to understand that VAERS and FAERS reporting are raw data sets only that have not been vetted and often lack context. How adverse events are reported may be the issue that is not easily solved but a far greater issue is people with agendas abusing data to exert influence over others. This has real world health consequences that we see time and time again.

Raw data like VAERS is just that: Raw data. It’s up to statisticians and epidemiologists to parse the VAERS data and look for meaningful trends. The general public does not understand this.

No doubt some people have died from the vaccines but only a very small number and most likely only due to anaphylaxis or myocarditis, of which the vast majority of people fully recover from.

Life often comes down to risk management and the benefits of vaccines vastly outweigh the risks which make them a slam dunk. This is not news.

I am of the 80's where coke was drug of choice for many. Lets say I am now 60ish, and lets for discussion sake I have heart issues. But I want to do coke one last time . Prior to doing coke one last time i had spent zero time in the hospital.

I get together with a buddy for one last cokefest. Next thing I know I am in the hospital and three days later I die .

Did I die of a heart attack or the coke that preceded the heart attack . I could easily see the hospital putting on death certificate. died due to drugs

 

[WillieThePimp]

I guess lying about a cause of death is okay just as long as 14 days hasn't passed. Cool story

This has been posted here many times before: Excess mortality over predicted exceed deaths attributed to Covid 19 meaning that Covid mortality was most likely underreported.

But whatever you want to believe.

 

[CougEd]

I guess lying about a cause of death is okay just as long as 14 days hasn't passed. Cool story

Serious JC, you cant see any other reason why they would have the 14 day period other than to fake and pad numbers ? Not one reason?

 

[WillieThePimp]

I am of the 80's where coke was drug of choice for many. Lets say I am now 60ish, and lets for discussion sake I have heart issues. But I want to do coke one last time . Prior to doing coke one last time i had spent zero time in the hospital.

I get together with a buddy for one last cokefest. Next thing I know I am in the hospital and three days later I die .

Did I die of a heart attack or the coke that preceded the heart attack . I could easily see the hospital putting on death certificate. died due to drugs

And Matthew Perry died of drowning in his jacuzzi, not drug abuse.

 

[CougEd]

And Matthew Perry died of drowning in his jacuzzi, not drug abuse.

I have never seen so many conspiracy theorists.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

So when you conduct a study in a predominantly republican area without conducting the same study in heavily retarded, I mean democrat areas to compare it to, sort of defeats the purpose of the study.

This from the 3rd source I linked (JAMA):

There is evidence that Republican-leaning counties have had higher COVID-19 death rates than Democratic-leaning counties and similar evidence of an association between political party affiliation and attitudes regarding COVID-19 vaccination, social distancing, and other mitigation strategies based on political party affiliation.

So you can see that both types of counties were compared.

And to your ignorant point, even IF they only looked at heavily dominate republican counties the RATE of deaths were still higher amongst those R voters compared with D voters. We aren't comparing TOTAL numbers - it's rates of deaths. You are not well versed in statical comparisons, I see.

Now, please proceed to misinterpret these data points. Taihtsat

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Now do the same with black people... You know, the ones who didn't trust the vaccine as well. What is consider excess btw? Overall deaths reported during that span seem to correlate with the increased death rate year after year. Well why would we have an increasing death rate you ask? Good question libbie.......... Maybe it might have to do with our expanding population? You just don't like to question anything do you? Like how the study was even conducted.... You just swallow that BS wholesale don't you?

This is too simple. Black Americans were vaccinated at a lower rate early on. Black Americans died at a higher rate.

From the Kaiser Foundation

Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity | KFF

KFF is collecting and analyzing data on COVID-19 vaccinations by race/ethnicity to gain increased insight who is receiving the vaccine and whether some groups are facing disparities in vaccination.

www.kff.org

Across the 36 states for which a total vaccination rate could be calculated by race/ethnicity as of July 11, 2022, 87% of Asian, 67% of Hispanic, and 64%of White people had received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose, higher than the rate for Black people (59%).
Then it began to change. After the initial rollout black Americans became more trusting and white Americans (predominantly republican- leaning and prone to conspiracy thinking and mistrust of government) became less so, flipping the rates after Delta emerged.

Whites now more likely to die from covid than Blacks: Why the pandemic shifted

SOMERVILLE, Tenn. — Skill Wilson had amassed more than three decades of knowledge as a paramedic, first in Memphis and then in Fayette County. Two places that felt like night and day. With only five ambulances in the county and the nearest hospital as much as 45 minutes away, Skill relished the...

aas.princeton.edu

Next softball

 

[CougEd]

And Matthew Perry died of drowning in his jacuzzi, not drug abuse.

I read Laura Looney and she had sourxes who said Jennifer Aniston was in the hot tub and had sex with him and that how he drowned.

 

[WillieThePimp]

I read Laura Looney and she had sourxes who said Jennifer Aniston was in the hot tub and had sex with him and that how he drowned.

Well then hopefully he died with a smile on his face.

Only honest credible media will do for GooberCoug.

 

[CougEd]

Well then hopefully he died with a smile on his face.

Only honest credible media will do for GooberCoug.

Well to me not a bad way going out😉

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Its not a conspiracy... My sister works in a hospital, I have plenty of friends who work in hospitals and they all say it was rigged. Anytime someone died in the hospital during the height of Covid, it was counted as Covid related regardless.

Btw, this is the very essence of a conspiracy. You believe hospitals all across the nation in partnership with the CDC and the federal govt colluded to over-hype and over-count and over- attribute deaths to covid.

You also believe government conspired with "big pharma" to boost revenue for those companies.

We can add "conspiracy" to the list of those topics you do not understand. Taihtsat

 

[CougEd]

Btw, this is the very essence of a conspiracy. You believe hospitals all across the nation in partnership with the CDC and the federal govt colluded to over-hype and over-count and over- attribute deaths to covid.

You also believe government conspired with "big pharma" to boost revenue for those companies.

We can add "conspiracy" to the list of those topics you do not understand. Taihtsat

It is crazy, ....the Secret Service cant communicate to local police or even with its own agency that there is a well coordinated plan between government entities, hospitals and the FDA to defraud the consumer? Amazing how dumb they are in one instance and brilliant perpetrators in another .

Reminds me when Joe Biden cant walk and chew gum but a mastermind behind the biden crime family.