USC started it. UW could have stopped it.....BUT.....

[M-I-Coug]

Who is really at fault, besides Larry Scott?

Everyone who has cut Linear. Everybody who cut the cord.

If nobody ever cut the cord, there would be over 100M linear subscribers. Fox or ESPN would offer, let say.... $40M per school.
Today, there are 50M linear subscribers. Linear is dying, and in 5 years, it will be dead. ESPN is in financial hardship, and has laid off 100 employees. Disney isn't doing well either. They actually would like to sell ESPN and ABC. Any takers?

Yes, I've moved on....but I see everyone on the planet blaming everyone else, except themselves.

We can stream all we want, but everyone who cut the cord......this is your fault.

 

[roses04]

Lastest rumor in the financial world is Disney is looking to sell ESPN. And guess who is mentioned as one of the potential buyers?

Apple.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Who is really at fault, besides Larry Scott?

Everyone who has cut Linear. Everybody who cut the cord.

If nobody ever cut the cord, there would be over 100M linear subscribers. Fox or ESPN would offer, let say.... $40M per school.
Today, there are 50M linear subscribers. Linear is dying, and in 5 years, it will be dead. ESPN is in financial hardship, and has laid off 100 employees. Disney isn't doing well either. They actually would like to sell ESPN and ABC. Any takers?

Yes, I've moved on....but I see everyone on the planet blaming everyone else, except themselves.

We can stream all we want, but everyone who cut the cord......this is your fault.

That's fair...but at the same time, when I cut the cord with Cox Communications, my monthly bill was $225/month. They were charging me for a fuggin' landline phone that I didn't use because they said that if I cut it out of the bundle, my bill would get higher.

When I told them that I wanted to end my service, suddenly those m'fers could afford to cut it to $175/month to match the deal that I was going to. You know what? F#ck them. If cable and satellite companies didn't want to lose subscribers, maybe they would take better care of them. My wife insists that I get ESPN during football and basketball season and my support of that is likely to go to zero once WSU is never featured on any of the ESPN channels.

FWIW, I'd rather have WSU on a streaming channel that I can buy for $10-20/month during the season and not be forced to pay $70/month to get 135 channels that I don't give a sh!t about. WSU would be much better served if fans paid that money to a streaming service plus another $25/month directly to the university than having the option to watch all those other worthless channels that are out there. So yeah, we are all responsible for the pot of money getting smaller, but it's the greed of the SEC and B1G and the willingness of ESPN to screw over all of the programs that make this a real problem. ESPN has chosen to make the SEC and B1G the winners in college football. F#ck ESPN.

 

[COUGinNCW]

I’m paying Comcast $270/month. Once WSU has a path and I know how i can watch them I’m out. F ESPN.

 

[wsudefense]

I got rid of cable and the $180 cable bill. I just pay for streaming services which is about $10.00 having hulu, ESPN and Disney thru Verizon is included in my cell phone service. She has some other service she pays. I’ll pay for Apple TV if they had the pac 12 network I was ready. So If you’re paying the land line bundle they are ripping you off believe me I know for a fact. Bundling thru Comcast is a rip off. Tell them you want to get rid of it and ask for a breakdown, ask for individual pricing and you will pay less trust me. Tell them you’re leaving Comcast and watch the price drop.

 

[bostoncoug]

The PAC panicked. No “linear” service is going to be able to afford the next round of contracts. I doubt they will be able to see the Big 10 and SEC ones through. The Apple deal is what everyone will have in the next 5 years.

 

[MapleStCoug]

Linear is drying up, it's not our fault that FOX and ESPN did everything they could to keep streaming out of cfb for another round.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Who is really at fault, besides Larry Scott?

Everyone who has cut Linear. Everybody who cut the cord.

If nobody ever cut the cord, there would be over 100M linear subscribers. Fox or ESPN would offer, let say.... $40M per school.
Today, there are 50M linear subscribers. Linear is dying, and in 5 years, it will be dead. ESPN is in financial hardship, and has laid off 100 employees. Disney isn't doing well either. They actually would like to sell ESPN and ABC. Any takers?

Yes, I've moved on....but I see everyone on the planet blaming everyone else, except themselves.

We can stream all we want, but everyone who cut the cord......this is your fault.

Uhhm, this is a Wendy's.

 

[BSpike76]

We were with Astound (Wave). They wanted $220 for basic, local only in a bundle. We tried T-Mobile 5g gateway. It worked ok for the 2 week trial period, then went to shit(weird how that happens). Went back to Astound for internet only $45/mo. for 2 years. We stream and seems to work fine. We get Apple+ with our T-mobile phones (senior plan $30/ line).

We’re liking being able to do some ala cart tv. Wish the PAC would have taken a chance on streaming.

 

[wazzucougs96]

Who is really at fault, besides Larry Scott?

Everyone who has cut Linear. Everybody who cut the cord.

If nobody ever cut the cord, there would be over 100M linear subscribers. Fox or ESPN would offer, let say.... $40M per school.
Today, there are 50M linear subscribers. Linear is dying, and in 5 years, it will be dead. ESPN is in financial hardship, and has laid off 100 employees. Disney isn't doing well either. They actually would like to sell ESPN and ABC. Any takers?

Yes, I've moved on....but I see everyone on the planet blaming everyone else, except themselves.

We can stream all we want, but everyone who cut the cord......this is your fault.

if cord cutting was such a problem then an all streaming deal would have been a slam dunk

 

[kougkurt]

if cord cutting was such a problem then an all streaming deal would have been a slam dunk

I believe it was the demographics of the decision makers

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Who is really at fault, besides Larry Scott?

Everyone who has cut Linear. Everybody who cut the cord.

If nobody ever cut the cord, there would be over 100M linear subscribers. Fox or ESPN would offer, let say.... $40M per school.
Today, there are 50M linear subscribers. Linear is dying, and in 5 years, it will be dead. ESPN is in financial hardship, and has laid off 100 employees. Disney isn't doing well either. They actually would like to sell ESPN and ABC. Any takers?

Yes, I've moved on....but I see everyone on the planet blaming everyone else, except themselves.

We can stream all we want, but everyone who cut the cord......this is your fault.

I guess this is factually true, though to what point I'm failing to see.

However you might ask yourself the question: why did people cord cut? You seem to be implying people cord cut purposely to harm Cougar football/ collegiate football.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

I guess this is factually true, though to what point I'm failing to see.

However you might ask yourself the question: why did people cord cut? You seem to be implying people cord cut purposely to harm Cougar football/ collegiate football.

Yeah, couldn't be ESPN's terrible business plan hinging only on linear subscription rate and not catching up to the current and future...lol

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Yeah, couldn't be ESPN's terrible business plan hinging only on linear subscription rate and not catching up to the current and future...lol

or ESPN picking winners and losers instead of looking to keep the sport interesting and competitive.

 

[M-I-Coug]

if cord cutting was such a problem then an all streaming deal would have been a slam dunk

Linear is 5 years from being dead.
George Klikoff told the President's that the Apple deal included linear. When they found out it was

I guess this is factually true, though to what point I'm failing to see.

However you might ask yourself the question: why did people cord cut? You seem to be implying people cord cut purposely to harm Cougar football/ collegiate football.

For a decade of people cutting the cord, consumers probably did not stop to realize the repercussions the networks would would have someday. Well, that someday is now here.

The numbers are down, and so are the media deals.

So yeah, grain by grain like sand, cutting the cord eventually will affect the revenue to our Athletic Department. That someday is here.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

or ESPN picking winners and losers instead of looking to keep the sport interesting and competitive.

My sarcasm aside toward M-I's post, I would agree (FOX also included).

 

[BSpike76]

If no one had cut the cord, and if that would have resulted in only $40mm per school, we’d be right where we are anyway. That wouldn’t be enough for U$C and the rest.

Maybe cable companies shouldn’t have a business plan that needs to gouge current customers and uses them to subsidize new customers.

 

[95coug]

Linear is 5 years from being dead.
George Klikoff told the President's that the Apple deal included linear. When they found out it was

For a decade of people cutting the cord, consumers probably did not stop to realize the repercussions the networks would would have someday. Well, that someday is now here.

The numbers are down, and so are the media deals.

So yeah, grain by grain like sand, cutting the cord eventually will affect the revenue to our Athletic Department. That someday is here.

Why do consumers need to look out for the networks? If someone offers you a package that better fits what you want and at a lower price, are you going to say no because it might damage the bottom line of the company you're with?

Of course you're not. It's up to vendors to adapt to what customers want. Media companies have done a terrible job of that. In fact, they're twisting streaming now to make it look a lot more like cable used to. Streaming used to be on-demand, recordable, with no commercials. Now, it's still mostly on demand, but you have to pay extra for storage, and extra for no commercials. The base packages are little different from what we wanted to get away from.

 

[Coug90]

Why do consumers need to look out for the networks? If someone offers you a package that better fits what you want and at a lower price, are you going to say no because it might damage the bottom line of the company you're with?

Of course you're not. It's up to vendors to adapt to what customers want. Media companies have done a terrible job of that. In fact, they're twisting streaming now to make it look a lot more like cable used to. Streaming used to be on-demand, recordable, with no commercials. Now, it's still mostly on demand, but you have to pay extra for storage, and extra for no commercials. The base packages are little different from what we wanted to get away from.

Agreed. I’m about ready to go back to cable or just ditch pay for TV all together after I learned FUBO doesn’t have TNT and TBS…two networks you kinda want to have for NCAA tourney and hockey playoffs. It’s a racket, you get F’d at every turn. Theres enough options you should be able to watch what you want at a reasonable price.

 

[95coug]

Agreed. I’m about ready to go back to cable or just ditch pay for TV all together after I learned FUBO doesn’t have TNT and TBS…two networks you kinda want to have for NCAA tourney and hockey playoffs. It’s a racket, you get F’d at every turn. Theres enough options you should be able to watch what you want at a reasonable price.

I'm just about to the point where I'll drop it altogether, and I'll watch the game at a bar. Then it just costs the price of a few beers, which I don't even have to fetch for myself. Kind of sounds like a win-win.

 

[Meister_Rebel]

Why do consumers need to look out for the networks? If someone offers you a package that better fits what you want and at a lower price, are you going to say no because it might damage the bottom line of the company you're with?

Of course you're not. It's up to vendors to adapt to what customers want. Media companies have done a terrible job of that. In fact, they're twisting streaming now to make it look a lot more like cable used to. Streaming used to be on-demand, recordable, with no commercials. Now, it's still mostly on demand, but you have to pay extra for storage, and extra for no commercials. The base packages are little different from what we wanted to get away from.

Exactly. My streaming on Hulu Live+ with the ESPN/Disney bundle is about $92 mo. and the user interface is similar to cable or satellite products. But, it is less expensive. Well it was until the wife wanted BritBox, Max, and Netflix. fck.

 

[COUGinNCW]

I'm just about to the point where I'll drop it altogether, and I'll watch the game at a bar. Then it just costs the price of a few beers, which I don't even have to fetch for myself. Kind of sounds like a win-win.

Back in the day one of my friend’s (now X) wife refused to spring for the extra $1.50/month for ESPN2. Problem was he was a compulsive gambler and big drinker so he had to go to the bar a lot to watch the games he’d bet on. Needless to say that $1.50 was a lot cheaper then the premium you pay to buy 10 beers in a bar vs drinking at home 7-8 days a month.

 

[kougkurt]

Back in the day one of my friend’s (now X) wife refused to spring for the extra $1.50/month for ESPN2. Problem was he was a compulsive gambler and big drinker so he had to go to the bar a lot to watch the games he’d bet on. Needless to say that $1.50 was a lot cheaper then the premium you pay to buy 10 beers in a bar vs drinking at home 7-8 days a month.

Who said anything about drinking at home 7-8 days a month?

 

[COUGinNCW]

Who said anything about drinking at home 7-8 days a month?

Paying full price for cable/streaming< going to the bar a lot, especially if you drink like a fish.

 

[kougkurt]

Paying full price for cable/streaming< going to the bar a lot, especially if you drink like a fish.

I was solely referring to the meager 7-8 days.

 

[95coug]

Back in the day one of my friend’s (now X) wife refused to spring for the extra $1.50/month for ESPN2. Problem was he was a compulsive gambler and big drinker so he had to go to the bar a lot to watch the games he’d bet on. Needless to say that $1.50 was a lot cheaper then the premium you pay to buy 10 beers in a bar vs drinking at home 7-8 days a month.

That would have been valid math 20 years ago. Now, I don’t drink enough to make it a break even.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

That would have been valid math 20 years ago. Now, I don’t drink enough to make it a break even.

It wouldn't take much, with craft being $8/pint and domestic $6/pint. And no one does specials or happy hour anymore because the dipshit millennials set the market and continue to pay outrageous prices for barley, hops, water and ego. (yes, there are still a few hole in the wall watering holes, but their numbers are dwindling.)

 

[95coug]

It wouldn't take much, with craft being $8/pint and domestic $6/pint. And no one does specials or happy hour anymore because the dipshit millennials set the market and continue to pay outrageous prices for barley, hops, water and ego. (yes, there are still a few hole in the wall watering holes, but their numbers are dwindling.)

I’m not a millennial, but I am a beer snob. My first 2-3 will absolutely be craft. There’s not a domestic I’ll drink until I’m at the point where it doesn’t matter what I drink. And I haven’t been to that point in over a decade.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

I’m not a millennial, but I am a beer snob. My first 2-3 will absolutely be craft. There’s not a domestic I’ll drink until I’m at the point where it doesn’t matter what I drink. And I haven’t been to that point in over a decade.

100% prefer craft beer, although the market has been flooded and quality has fallen off sharply. Which lends itself to my hesitance to fork over $8 for a pint that may or may not be drinkable, forget about to my liking. And yes, you can get a taster pour but a lot of times that doesn't translate to how a full beer drinks.

Here's to hoping the craft beer market finds an equilibrium.

 

[95coug]

100% prefer craft beer, although the market has been flooded and quality has fallen off sharply. Which lends itself to my hesitance to fork over $8 for a pint that may or may not be drinkable, forget about to my liking. And yes, you can get a taster pour but a lot of times that doesn't translate to how a full beer drinks.

Here's to hoping the craft beer market finds an equilibrium.

Agree…my bigger complaint is the number of craft beers that have sold out to the big companies. I can’t blame them for cashing in, but it does kind of conflict with why they got into brewing in the first place.

Some of my favorites came from breweries that sold to AB or Miller, and were promptly discontinued. 10 Barrel from Bend had some really good seasonals, but as soon as A-B bought them….gone.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

100% prefer craft beer, although the market has been flooded and quality has fallen off sharply. Which lends itself to my hesitance to fork over $8 for a pint that may or may not be drinkable, forget about to my liking. And yes, you can get a taster pour but a lot of times that doesn't translate to how a full beer drinks.

Here's to hoping the craft beer market finds an equilibrium.

That market went into the whiskey market and is now ruining the tequila market (fake celebrity "tequilas").

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Agree…my bigger complaint is the number of craft beers that have sold out to the big companies. I can’t blame them for cashing in, but it does kind of conflict with why they got into brewing in the first place.

Some of my favorites came from breweries that sold to AB or Miller, and were promptly discontinued. 10 Barrel from Bend had some really good seasonals, but as soon as A-B bought them….gone.

Might want to check the news.

Widmer, 10BBL, Red Hook, Kona and a few others were sold off last week.

To a WEED company.

No idea how that's going to affect them, but there is no way those brands get shelf space in the supermarket now that AB sold them off. Used to be a huge Widmer fan boy - the Bierhaus was awesome, they had awesome events, and the beer was decent to good. When the sold to CBA and then to AB, it all went to hell and they stopped making the beers that I loved - Octo, Columbia Common among them. It was all about getting Hefe out there and trying to win that market, because AB.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

That market went into the whiskey market and is now ruining the tequila market (fake celebrity "tequilas").

Dos Hombres is pretty fcking good. So is Casamigos (though not for the price.)

This isn't Crystal Skull, my friend. Some of that shit is actually good.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Dos Hombres is pretty fcking good. So is Casamigos (though not for the price.)

This isn't Crystal Skull, my friend. Some of that shit is actually good.

I have bad news for you, Casamigos is sh*t.

Don't know enough about Dos Hombres to comment but if it's similar to all other celeb agave productions, it's likely all bark, no bite when it comes to being made well.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

I’m paying Comcast $270/month. Once WSU has a path and I know how i can watch them I’m out. F ESPN.

😲

Why? Go tell them the max you'll pay is, say, $200 per month total. They'll move that down close to that number. I've done that and they adjusted the monthly charge.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

I have bad news for you, Casamigos is sh*t.

Don't know enough about Dos Hombres to comment but if it's similar to all other celeb agave productions, it's likely all bark, no bite when it comes to being made well.

Agree to disagree, though I'm right.

But please do tell, which label(s) of Cuervo make your top 5?

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Agree to disagree, though I'm right.

But please do tell, which label(s) of Cuervo make your top 5?

Cuervo, Casamigos, Teremana...all belong in only one location: the garbage can.

Casamigos and the many celebrity tequilas have additives. Enjoy the hangover.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Cuervo, Casamigos, Teremana...all belong in only one location: the garbage can.

Casamigos and the many celebrity tequilas have additives. Enjoy the hangover.

So you don't actually drink tequila, you just don't like the idea of celebrities making/endorsing liquor.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

So you don't actually drink tequila, you just don't like the idea of celebrities making/endorsing liquor.

Bad news, I drink a lot of tequila.

Siete Leguas (Patron started there), Tequila Tapatio, El Tesoro, G4, Volans, Arette, Fortaleza, Cimmaron, Lalo (Don Julio's grandson), Ocho, Fuentesca, Siembra Valles, ArteNOM (for some distillery fun). All amazing. All made the correct way, no additives.

 

[95coug]

Might want to check the news.

Widmer, 10BBL, Red Hook, Kona and a few others were sold off last week.

To a WEED company.

No idea how that's going to affect them, but there is no way those brands get shelf space in the supermarket now that AB sold them off. Used to be a huge Widmer fan boy - the Bierhaus was awesome, they had awesome events, and the beer was decent to good. When the sold to CBA and then to AB, it all went to hell and they stopped making the beers that I loved - Octo, Columbia Common among them. It was all about getting Hefe out there and trying to win that market, because AB.

Well, if I have to go to the dispensary to get it, I’m not going to drink it anyway. I’ll just get 6-pack size tasters and take my chances with randoms.