We need to confront reality: we have terrible leadership at WSU

[ttowncoug]

If Dickert felt he had the support and investment of WSU i suspect, he's not leaving.

McCoy is Jim Sterk 2.0 and is going to be a penny pincher, zero vision, check the boxes type of leader. EXACTLY the opposite of what we need.

By contrast, Boise's leadership is visionary and engaging their boosters and business community to help their program grow.

Canzano: Boise State plays mean game of 'Moneyball'

Broncos AD predicts "football will break away" from other sports.

www.johncanzano.com

Schulz is checked out and the Regents don't give a shit about athletics is my view. We are headed down a bad path is my fear.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

If Dickert felt he had the support and investment of WSU i suspect, he's not leaving.

McCoy is Jim Sterk 2.0 and is going to be a penny pincher, zero vision, check the boxes type of leader. EXACTLY the opposite of what we need.

By contrast, Boise's leadership is visionary and engaging their boosters and business community to help their program grow.

Canzano: Boise State plays mean game of 'Moneyball'

Broncos AD predicts "football will break away" from other sports.

www.johncanzano.com

Schulz is checked out and the Regents don't give a shit about athletics is my view. We are headed down a bad path is my fear.

I've been banging this drum since 2018...

 

[UberCougars]

Dickert will double his salary in a new guaranteed 5 year contract. He has a real conference (for now), budget for assistant coaches, his starters bailed.

He was leaving

 

[NMBRCRNCHR]

Makes one wonder how much chatter was happening in late October/early November about all of this. The team sure changed for the worse about then.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Makes one wonder how much chatter was happening in late October/early November about all of this. The team sure changed for the worse about then.

of course. they all knew

 

[BiggsCoug]

Moos and Floyd were the best thing to happen to WSU. Dont believe me? You’re part of the problem.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Moos and Floyd were the best thing to happen to WSU. Dont believe me? You’re part of the problem.

Moos also benefitted from a huge influx of cash from the Pac12.

Let's not confuse brilliance for good timing and a "bull market" for WSU athletics.

 

[PeteTheChop]

Moos and Floyd were the best thing to happen to WSU. Dont believe me? You’re part of the problem.

Any chance Mr. Moos could come in and share some expertise with Ann McCoy in the next couple weeks?

 

[dgibbons]

If Dickert felt he had the support and investment of WSU i suspect, he's not leaving.

McCoy is Jim Sterk 2.0 and is going to be a penny pincher, zero vision, check the boxes type of leader. EXACTLY the opposite of what we need.

By contrast, Boise's leadership is visionary and engaging their boosters and business community to help their program grow.

Canzano: Boise State plays mean game of 'Moneyball'

Broncos AD predicts "football will break away" from other sports.

www.johncanzano.com

Schulz is checked out and the Regents don't give a shit about athletics is my view. We are headed down a bad path is my fear.

You're not addressing the real issue. WSU has a financial support problem. You're inserting "leadership" in place of that. We've been cheap forever. Penny pinching is what you get when you're broke. Generally, those that bitch and moan the loudest and most frequently on this board haven't attended bought a ticket to a game in years.

 

[dgibbons]

Any chance Mr. Moos could come in and share some expertise with Ann McCoy in the next couple weeks?

Why don't you go ask him.

 

[Meister_Rebel]

nm

 

[Loyal Coug1]

nm

Ok, now you need to go compile a list of jokes and insults from your posters and come back and torture us. Make sure they meet our metrics.......

Edit - list of coach candidates......

MSN

 

[ttowncoug]

You're not addressing the real issue. WSU has a financial support problem. You're inserting "leadership" in place of that. We've been cheap forever. Penny pinching is what you get when you're broke. Generally, those that bitch and moan the loudest and most frequently on this board haven't attended bought a ticket to a game in years.

DGibb - there are things WSU could do that cost ZERO money. Creativity, innovation, etc. It takes effort. Anne McCoy is, was and will be simply a career admin, a CFO, and someone who was hired to cut costs.

We are not broke, we choose to spend less in supporting athletics than other MWC schools. It's a choice.

Dickert bailed because he saw the writing on the wall. I'd have bailed too. Why stay in Pullman with my hands tied behind my back? Or, look to greener pastures at Wake Forrest and build something where I have support.

 

[UberCougars]

Ok, now you need to go compile a list of jokes and insults from your posters and come back and torture us. Make sure they meet our metrics.......

Edit - list of coach candidates......

MSN

Yikes!

 

[MikeFingLeach]

If Dickert felt he had the support and investment of WSU i suspect, he's not leaving.

McCoy is Jim Sterk 2.0 and is going to be a penny pincher, zero vision, check the boxes type of leader. EXACTLY the opposite of what we need.

By contrast, Boise's leadership is visionary and engaging their boosters and business community to help their program grow.

Canzano: Boise State plays mean game of 'Moneyball'

Broncos AD predicts "football will break away" from other sports.

www.johncanzano.com

Schulz is checked out and the Regents don't give a shit about athletics is my view. We are headed down a bad path is my fear.

Correct on all counts. A perfect example is begging for money from alumni, while fumbling an absolute layup getting booze sales in Martin.

 

[dgibbons]

DGibb - there are things WSU could do that cost ZERO money. Creativity, innovation, etc. It takes effort. Anne McCoy is, was and will be simply a career admin, a CFO, and someone who was hired to cut costs.

We are not broke, we choose to spend less in supporting athletics than other MWC schools. It's a choice.

Dickert bailed because he saw the writing on the wall. I'd have bailed too. Why stay in Pullman with my hands tied behind my back? Or, look to greener pastures at Wake Forrest and build something where I have support.

"Creativity" and "innovation" is what losers like Biggs complain about while making up excuses to not donate, not buy tickets and continue bitching and moaning. I know exactly what Anne McCoy's background is, go lecture someone else. Is the fact that she was a penny pinching budget hire some kind of revelation for you? What did you think was going to happen when the Pac-12 collapsed? Why do you think Greeny, Smith, and now Dickert have bolted?

What "creativity" and "innovation" do you propose? I'd love to know that. You're hole you're filling is $25 million. Car washes and bake sales aren't going to get it done. We've got a half empty stadium on gamedays, an independent schedule for next year, and conference that needs one more member for 2026.

We're cutting costs because of LACK OF REVENUE. See how that is all caps, bold and italicized. LACK OF REVENUE is the problem. This is the good ole days when Pac-12 TV money was still coming in.

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.

sportsdata.usatoday.com

 

[dgibbons]

Moos also benefitted from a huge influx of cash from the Pac12.

Let's not confuse brilliance for good timing and a "bull market" for WSU athletics.

And deficit spending.

 

[ttowncoug]

"Creativity" and "innovation" is what losers like Biggs complain about while making up excuses to not donate, not buy tickets and continue bitching and moaning. I know exactly what Anne McCoy's background is, go lecture someone else. Is the fact that she was a penny pinching budget hire some kind of revelation for you? What did you think was going to happen when the Pac-12 collapsed? Why do you think Greeny, Smith, and now Dickert have bolted?

What "creativity" and "innovation" do you propose? I'd love to know that. You're hole you're filling is $25 million. Car washes and bake sales aren't going to get it done. We've got a half empty stadium on gamedays, an independent schedule for next year, and conference that needs one more member for 2026.

We're cutting costs because of LACK OF REVENUE. See how that is all caps, bold and italicized. LACK OF REVENUE is the problem. This is the good ole days when Pac-12 TV money was still coming in.

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.

sportsdata.usatoday.com

1. The booze sales is an easy example of something we could do to boost revenue at Martin. Anne had zero idea where that was at when pressed.
2. How many westside events do we have or what are we actively doing to boost engagement? When Moos was here we had "Burgers with Bill" and other events. Did it make WSU a ton of money? Doubtful. Did it show a genuine effort to build engagement? Yes.

The LACK OF REVENUE is a problem and it can get fixed by INCREASING DONATIONS for our alums. But when alums are pissed about WSU being "mismanaged," they are not going to be generous. Our admin has put us in this cycle and we need to break the cycle and get competent people in here running the show.

 

[M-I-Coug]

If Dickert felt he had the support and investment of WSU i suspect, he's not leaving.

McCoy is Jim Sterk 2.0 and is going to be a penny pincher, zero vision, check the boxes type of leader. EXACTLY the opposite of what we need.

By contrast, Boise's leadership is visionary and engaging their boosters and business community to help their program grow.

Canzano: Boise State plays mean game of 'Moneyball'

Broncos AD predicts "football will break away" from other sports.

www.johncanzano.com

Schulz is checked out and the Regents don't give a shit about athletics is my view. We are headed down a bad path is my fear.

If anyone is to blame it's USC.

 

[dgibbons]

1. The booze sales is an easy example of something we could do to boost revenue at Martin. Anne had zero idea where that was at when pressed.
2. How many westside events do we have or what are we actively doing to boost engagement? When Moos was here we had "Burgers with Bill" and other events. Did it make WSU a ton of money? Doubtful. Did it show a genuine effort to build engagement? Yes.

The LACK OF REVENUE is a problem and it can get fixed by INCREASING DONATIONS for our alums. But when alums are pissed about WSU being "mismanaged," they are not going to be generous. Our admin has put us in this cycle and we need to break the cycle and get competent people in here running the show.

When was the last time you bought a ticket or made a donation?

Again, you've got nothing that fills a $25 million hole. What "creativity" and "innovation" fills that hole? This is the same crap that's been spouted on message boards for decades now. Booze sales gets WSU $1-1.5 million a year. The problem is there is not an appropriate space in Martin Stadium for a beer garden. Plenty of booze get sold in the suites.

 

[ttowncoug]

When was the last time you bought a ticket or made a donation?

Again, you've got nothing that fills a $25 million hole. What "creativity" and "innovation" fills that hole? This is the same crap that's been spouted on message boards for decades now. Booze sales gets WSU $1-1.5 million a year. The problem is there is not an appropriate space in Martin Stadium for a beer garden. Plenty of booze get sold in the suites.

I buy tickets every year, club level. I go to about 3 to 4 games. (pain in the ass to get from the Tacoma-area to Pullman every home game). I donate to the CAF and to the Cougar Collective.

 

[dgibbons]

I buy tickets every year, club level. I go to about 3 to 4 games. (pain in the ass to get from the Tacoma-area to Pullman every home game). I donate to the CAF and to the Cougar Collective.

Great. We need 10,000 more people like you. How do you make that happen with "creativity" and "innovation" immediately? Or better yet, in 2022?

 

[95coug]

Ok, now you need to go compile a list of jokes and insults from your posters and come back and torture us. Make sure they meet our metrics.......

Edit - list of coach candidates......

MSN

While I'm not terribly excited about anybody on that list, flip it the other way - why would any of them be interested in this job? No resources, no money, no recruiting base, likely to get gutted every year, and a fairly middling roster returning.

Anyone who's already a coordinator for a P4 team is going to hold out for another job. For the HCs at Nevada and Montana State, it might make sense if we give them a pay raise, but from Nevada they're just changing location and keeping the same challenges. It's a move up from Montana State, except that they can actually win championships from there. Jeff Banks might be the one on that list who it would make the most sense to, but do we really want to turn a position/special teams coach into an HC?

 

[ttowncoug]

Great. We need 10,000 more people like you. How do you make that happen with "creativity" and "innovation" immediately? Or better yet, in 2022?

Schulz and McCoy have to tell the Regents we must invest in WSU athletics. Student passes, etc.

Creativity, I'd look for public-private partnerships to fund capital needs. Give Beasley over to a developer. Do it in a manner where we don't have to pay prevailing wages if possible. The cost of building the IPF was insanely high in my opinion.

 

[dgibbons]

Schulz and McCoy have to tell the Regents we must invest in WSU athletics. Student passes, etc.

Creativity, I'd look for public-private partnerships to fund capital needs. Give Beasley over to a developer. Do it in a manner where we don't have to pay prevailing wages if possible. The cost of building the IPF was insanely high in my opinion.

I'm not seeing $25 million here. And there is a law that requires the AD to make ends meet.

 

[UberCougars]

Ian claiming now Dickert was told WSU was only going to fund 80 scholarships next year in addition to coach salary cuts.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

I'm not seeing $25 million here. And there is a law that requires the AD to make ends meet.

Unless you're UW, then you stand on the Capitol steps with your hand out... and it magically gets filled!

 

[ttowncoug]

Ian claiming now Dickert was told WSU was only going to fund 80 scholarships next year in addition to coach salary cuts.

I suspect this is 100% accurate and Schulz and McCoy aren't going to bat for more institutional support from WSU Regents.

 

[dgibbons]

I suspect this is 100% accurate and Schulz and McCoy aren't going to bat for more institutional support from WSU Regents.

They need a lobbyist.

RCW 28B.15.120​

Board of trustees or regents—Annual budget requirements.​

(1) The board of trustees or regents of each of the state's colleges and universities under RCW 28B.15.005 must specifically approve in an open public meeting, the annual budget for its programs for intercollegiate athletic competition in advance of any expenditure for that fiscal year.
(2) If a college or university's programs experience an operating deficit at the end of any fiscal year, the board of trustees or regents must:
(a) Approve a plan for how the programs will reduce operating deficits in future fiscal years;
(b) Conspicuously post to the college or university's website the financial statements of the programs for the three prior fiscal years and the plan in (a) of this subsection. Any public records request for a copy of the financial statements or plan must be at no cost to the requester;
(c) Approve in advance any transfer exceeding two hundred fifty thousand dollars; and
(d) Except as provided in subsection (3) of this section, approve in advance any expenditure over two hundred fifty thousand dollars that was not included in the approved annual budget, in an open public meeting.
(3) Approval of an expenditure by the board of trustees or regents may occur at the next regularly scheduled board meeting after the expenditure if the expenditure is:
(a) Time sensitive and the net fiscal impact of the expenditure results in a direct revenue gain to the program; or
(b) Required to meet an immediate public safety need.
(4) Unless the context clearly requires otherwise, the definitions in this subsection apply throughout this section:
(a) "Expenditure" means any discrete purchase, payment, contract amendment, or expense, unless that expenditure is required to meet an immediate public safety need.
(b) "Operating costs" means all direct and indirect costs to operate the programs including the value of any costs that are typically charged to departments, but have been waived by the college or university. Waived costs include, but are not limited to the value of tuition waivers for student athletes and any internal or central service costs not charged to the programs.
(c) "Operating deficit" means the amount by which the aggregate operating costs of the programs exceeds the aggregated receipts and revenue directly generated by the programs in the fiscal year, plus any transfers of reserves that were originally generated directly by the athletic department account.
(d) "Programs for intercollegiate athletic competition" or "programs" means those programs established under RCW 28B.10.703.
(e) "Transfers" means any transfer of moneys to an account used by programs for intercollegiate athletic competition from any account that holds moneys not directly generated by the programs.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

They need a lobbyist.

RCW 28B.15.120​

Board of trustees or regents—Annual budget requirements.​

(1) The board of trustees or regents of each of the state's colleges and universities under RCW 28B.15.005 must specifically approve in an open public meeting, the annual budget for its programs for intercollegiate athletic competition in advance of any expenditure for that fiscal year.
(2) If a college or university's programs experience an operating deficit at the end of any fiscal year, the board of trustees or regents must:
(a) Approve a plan for how the programs will reduce operating deficits in future fiscal years;
(b) Conspicuously post to the college or university's website the financial statements of the programs for the three prior fiscal years and the plan in (a) of this subsection. Any public records request for a copy of the financial statements or plan must be at no cost to the requester;
(c) Approve in advance any transfer exceeding two hundred fifty thousand dollars; and
(d) Except as provided in subsection (3) of this section, approve in advance any expenditure over two hundred fifty thousand dollars that was not included in the approved annual budget, in an open public meeting.
(3) Approval of an expenditure by the board of trustees or regents may occur at the next regularly scheduled board meeting after the expenditure if the expenditure is:
(a) Time sensitive and the net fiscal impact of the expenditure results in a direct revenue gain to the program; or
(b) Required to meet an immediate public safety need.
(4) Unless the context clearly requires otherwise, the definitions in this subsection apply throughout this section:
(a) "Expenditure" means any discrete purchase, payment, contract amendment, or expense, unless that expenditure is required to meet an immediate public safety need.
(b) "Operating costs" means all direct and indirect costs to operate the programs including the value of any costs that are typically charged to departments, but have been waived by the college or university. Waived costs include, but are not limited to the value of tuition waivers for student athletes and any internal or central service costs not charged to the programs.
(c) "Operating deficit" means the amount by which the aggregate operating costs of the programs exceeds the aggregated receipts and revenue directly generated by the programs in the fiscal year, plus any transfers of reserves that were originally generated directly by the athletic department account.
(d) "Programs for intercollegiate athletic competition" or "programs" means those programs established under RCW 28B.10.703.
(e) "Transfers" means any transfer of moneys to an account used by programs for intercollegiate athletic competition from any account that holds moneys not directly generated by the programs.

you're volunteering?

 

[ttowncoug]

I understand the state law. UW is in the same boat. Somehow they are managing their way around this. ASU just made a bunch of "debt" evaporate.

Modifying this accounting move, would greatly help us be in compliant with the law.
"Waived costs include, but are not limited to the value of tuition waivers for student athletes and any internal or central service costs not charged to the programs."

 

[CougPatrol]

I don't disagree about WSU and our fans being cheap and generally disinterested with support, but this situation was a bit different. Dickert was facing a steep pay cut and also staring at the possibility of going 4-8 next season. If he didn't jump ship now, he might not have gotten the opportunity down the road.

 

[dgibbons]

you're volunteering?

WSU should have someone already. Too much money flowing from and through the state not to.

 

[dgibbons]

I understand the state law. UW is in the same boat. Somehow they are managing their way around this. ASU just made a bunch of "debt" evaporate.

Modifying this accounting move, would greatly help us be in compliant with the law.
"Waived costs include, but are not limited to the value of tuition waivers for student athletes and any internal or central service costs not charged to the programs."

So call your elected representatives and make it happen.

 

[mikalalas]

If Dickert felt he had the support and investment of WSU i suspect, he's not leaving.

McCoy is Jim Sterk 2.0 and is going to be a penny pincher, zero vision, check the boxes type of leader. EXACTLY the opposite of what we need.

By contrast, Boise's leadership is visionary and engaging their boosters and business community to help their program grow.

Canzano: Boise State plays mean game of 'Moneyball'

Broncos AD predicts "football will break away" from other sports.

www.johncanzano.com

Schulz is checked out and the Regents don't give a shit about athletics is my view. We are headed down a bad path is my fear.

That's what has been the problem at WSU for years, maybe even a decade, decades: Regents don't care about WSU athletics, or they are administrators that do not understand what it takes for WSU athletics to be successful or they are Rawlin's level Regents that unwilling to spend, do what's needed.

The Solution: FIRE THE REGENTS AND APPOINT BETTER REGENTS, and then those Regents hire a FLOYD level President, and that Floyd level Pres hires a AD even better then Moos's, and that AD then hires a HC even better then Price, Leach, Dickert.

IT STARTS AT THE REGENT LEVEL, THE BUCK STOPS AT THE REGENT LEVEL.

THATS THE SOLUTION

BUT THAT WONT HAPPEN.

 

[Coug90]

If Dickert felt he had the support and investment of WSU i suspect, he's not leaving.

McCoy is Jim Sterk 2.0 and is going to be a penny pincher, zero vision, check the boxes type of leader. EXACTLY the opposite of what we need.

By contrast, Boise's leadership is visionary and engaging their boosters and business community to help their program grow.

Canzano: Boise State plays mean game of 'Moneyball'

Broncos AD predicts "football will break away" from other sports.

www.johncanzano.com

Schulz is checked out and the Regents don't give a shit about athletics is my view. We are headed down a bad path is my fear.

I’m not sure how you can blame McCoy. Schultz has F’d this up going back years when he didn’t provide the leadership to move on from Larry Scott and find the right commish. Not having the relationships with his peers to know where these schools were headed and get ahead of it? Absolutely sitting on his thumbs, wtf was he doing? He should pay back every penny he made at WSU, he completely F’d the university forever by his inaction and being asleep at the wheel. F him.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Correct on all counts. A perfect example is begging for money from alumni, while fumbling an absolute layup getting booze sales in Martin.

When in doubt, blame the fans!!! It’s never WSU’s fault. The fans are to blame for not giving WSU their money! Why should WSU be accountable? The fans should give WSU all their $$$ to bail WSU out of their bad decisions! The fans not being willing to donate their entire paychecks to WSU are why WSU is where it is.

Schools paying admin hundreds of thousands of dollars and football coaches millions of dollars should not be begging for $$ any time, ever. They should be paying their own bills with their own money.

 

[dgibbons]

When in doubt, blame the fans!!! It’s never WSU’s fault. The fans are to blame for not giving WSU their money! Why should WSU be accountable? The fans should give WSU all their $$$ to bail WSU out of their bad decisions! The fans not being willing to donate their entire paychecks to WSU are why WSU is where it is.

Schools paying admin hundreds of thousands of dollars and football coaches millions of dollars should not be begging for $$ any time, ever. They should be paying their own bills with their own money.

Biggs is single handedly going to restructure college athletics to prohibit donations, and make tickets free. tOSU, Texas, A&M, Michigan and Bama will be all over that....

 

[CougSinceBirth]

This BoR is going to hire a new university president. Get ready for Kirk Schulz 2: The Sequel. And like the many sequels before, it will end up worse than the original.

The entire BoR, Schulz, and the AD should be all kicked to the curb and WSU should be hitting reset. WSU needs visionaries and true leaders. Play the poor-budget game and get the poor-budget results.