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[chipdouglas]

Kinda pot calling the kettle black I’d say...what was our government doing for the first six weeks? Delaying, lying, and politicking. I get why people want to “leave politics out of this”, but behavior driven purely by politics is why we are in this so deep right now.
China is not without blame, but IMO we need to fix our own problems before we start telling China what they can or can’t eat.

Again, disagree. Also don't see how we're both talking politics ("pot...kettle"). All due respect, you are leaving a breadcrumb trail in this thread and others RE your views on politics and the current POTUS. I'd challenge anyone to guess who I voted for from what I've said anywhere on this board (hint: it wasn't the current guy). I fail to see how focusing on the 5% downstream to the exclusion of the preventable 95% upstream is anything other than square peg/round hole politics which lets the real culprit off the hook and ensures zero addressing of root problems.

If China spikes the sideline Gatorade cooler with bathtub gin because it likes a little something extra at gametime, I blame China - I don't blame our athletic department for "not having their house in order" RE liquid testing.

And I don't buy the idea I'm reading elsewhere that we can't band together and hold them accountable in a diplomatic way that still forces their hand. Wet markets are outlawed but clearly not properly enforced. The facts China controls all information internally, has millions of people in prison camps, arrests medical whistleblowers, and makes political dissenters disappear, show they are pretty industrious when it comes to enforcing the laws they want to enforce.

 

[chipdouglas]

Not sure it would have made any difference if China had been more open about it. Most of our population and the decision makers in our federal government were pretty unshakeable believers in the “it can’t happen here” theory and the “no worse than the flu” theory.

That being said, I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised at how many corporate CEOs and Governors did take it seriously and did react pretty early on. I always figured those guys were mostly showboating idiots just like present occupant of the Whitehouse. Apparently I was wrong about that.

Agree somewhat on your second bit. Lots of people choosing to focus on the <10% of bad actors when there are 10x more success stories. On the first bit, I'm merely parroting a study suggesting 95% of cases were preventable if China had acted like a world citizen instead of the suppressive, medieval tyrant that it is. You can take it or leave it. I take it.

Subsequently, more evidence is emerging that China continues to lie (2x more urns than gov-reported deaths were just delivered to a single mortuary) and that WHO and its stooge Tedros were complicit in abetting their lies in the early going (2019 Taiwan human-to-human transmission claim ignored in favor of Chinese narrative). The fact that it's a struggle to steer the conversation away from blaming our domestic political opponents is an appalling testament to how polarized we've allowed ourselves to become. A house divided...

 

[AncientCoug]

And I don't buy the idea I'm reading elsewhere that we can't band together and hold them accountable in a diplomatic way that still forces their hand. Wet markets are outlawed but clearly not properly enforced. The facts China controls all information internally, has millions of people in prison camps, arrests medical whistleblowers, and makes political dissenters disappear, show they are pretty industrious when it comes to enforcing the laws they want to enforce.

We had a treaty negotiated that would have given us some leverage over China. Probably would have been quite useful for what you are proposing. It was called the Trans Pacific Partnership or TPP. It included many of China’s major trading partners but did not include China. One of the intents was to give us and the other trading partners some leverage.

As you may or may not recall, a certain orange tinted individual blew that treaty up. I don’t think we will have much luck putting that Humpty Dumpty back together again.

 

[BSpike76]

Again, disagree. Also don't see how we're both talking politics ("pot...kettle"). All due respect, you are leaving a breadcrumb trail in this thread and others RE your views on politics and the current POTUS. I'd challenge anyone to guess who I voted for from what I've said anywhere on this board (hint: it wasn't the current guy). I fail to see how focusing on the 5% downstream to the exclusion of the preventable 95% upstream is anything other than square peg/round hole politics which lets the real culprit off the hook and ensures zero addressing of root problems.

If China spikes the sideline Gatorade cooler with bathtub gin because it likes a little something extra at gametime, I blame China - I don't blame our athletic department for "not having their house in order" RE liquid testing.

And I don't buy the idea I'm reading elsewhere that we can't band together and hold them accountable in a diplomatic way that still forces their hand. Wet markets are outlawed but clearly not properly enforced. The facts China controls all information internally, has millions of people in prison camps, arrests medical whistleblowers, and makes political dissenters disappear, show they are pretty industrious when it comes to enforcing the laws they want to enforce.

If someone comes up to you and says, hey you might want to check the Gatorade, I hear it’s spiked. If the response is I hear it will evaporate, and even if it is like light beer, so no worries. I would put more than 5% on the person who said the booze wouldn’t be a problem.

 

[dgibbons]

Agree somewhat on your second bit. Lots of people choosing to focus on the <10% of bad actors when there are 10x more success stories. On the first bit, I'm merely parroting a study suggesting 95% of cases were preventable if China had acted like a world citizen instead of the suppressive, medieval tyrant that it is. You can take it or leave it. I take it.

Subsequently, more evidence is emerging that China continues to lie (2x more urns than gov-reported deaths were just delivered to a single mortuary) and that WHO and its stooge Tedros were complicit in abetting their lies in the early going (2019 Taiwan human-to-human transmission claim ignored in favor of Chinese narrative). The fact that it's a struggle to steer the conversation away from blaming our domestic political opponents is an appalling testament to how polarized we've allowed ourselves to become. A house divided...

It appears that China is reporting the data points that were plotted on a graph some time ago.

 

[chipdouglas]

If someone comes up to you and says, hey you might want to check the Gatorade, I hear it’s spiked. If the response is I hear it will evaporate, and even if it is like light beer, so no worries. I would put more than 5% on the person who said the booze wouldn’t be a problem.

OK. So does that tilt the scales such that you focus most of your energy on the equipment manager instead of on the person who spiked it? Because that would still seem to be WAY off base.

 

[Coug90]

OK. So does that tilt the scales such that you focus most of your energy on the equipment manager instead of on the person who spiked it? Because that would still seem to be WAY off base.

I agree with a lot of what you’re saying Chip, I guess if there was one thing I’d go back to it’s control what you can control. And trust me, I’m not shy about my feelings of this administration...certainly not trying to leave bread crumbs. And I know you’re not a trumper thumper, but my main point is to some extent we SHOULD be able to make sound decisions to respond to any threat from another country, and we are limited in what we can control within other borders, especially those we aren’t allies with. So to me, that’s where the focus should be.

Although that said not sure how much we can really control within our own borders these days anyways with checks and balances meaning nothing anymore and a madman at the controls.

 

[BSpike76]

OK. So does that tilt the scales such that you focus most of your energy on the equipment manager instead of on the person who spiked it? Because that would still seem to be WAY off base.

I would look at the person/group who said it like beer and would evaporate anyway. The head coach who had good intelligence that the Gatorade was spiked with Bacardi 151 that was turning into 200 proof( and probably used that info to trade in mini es that make money when the team plays drunk) The coach who had gotten rid of his scouts charged with watching China for just this type of thing.

Heck, China even self reported to the NCAA during warmups. But our number 1 rating depended on there being no hint about booze in the Gatorade,

The equipment manager just puts out the Gatorade barrel. Why would I blame him? he was probably told to put it out and get lost.