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***WSU @ ARIZONA GAME THREAD***

STEP ON THEIR THROATS!! Don't get up 7 or 10. Get up 20+ and build up a lead that even our ST can't blow.
 
The Cougs are a real PAC-12 program again.
For some time it seemed like it was men vs boys with the Cougs being the boys.
WSU is imposing their will on the UA defense right now. Sure there is a long ways to go but this team can compete with anyone in this league.
When was the last time you could say that?
Great job so far by the team today
 
The Cougs are a real PAC-12 program again.
For some time it seemed like it was men vs boys with the Cougs being the boys.
WSU is imposing their will on the UA defense right now. Sure there is a long ways to go but this team can compete with anyone in this league.
When was the last time you could say that?
Great job so far by the team today


Solomon is good.
 
Serious question: how patient should we be with special teams?

And how much talent do we need to have to stop giving up a house call every G-D game?

Do ST coaches need "a few years" to stop giving gobs of ST TDs? Or is that something that should not be happening even in Year 1 or 2?

As long as it takes. People have been questioning Leach every year he has been in Pullman. Moos has given him time and the investment looks good. Mele looks like he knows what he is doing. Slowly the ST will get better. It may not be completely healed until next year. But, there has been improvement.
 
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The beating will continue until morale improves?

Seriously though, I think it is focus. Whether it is time at practice or attitude I'm not sure. But I think they need to focus on ST like they do on O or D.

According to Thorpe, they do. Understand, while there are starters on ST, many of them are very young players. Young players make both physical and mental mistakes.
 
We gotta figure out that zone read they just ran 3 times in a row
 
As long as it takes. People have been questioning Leach every year he has been in Pullman. Moos has given him time and the investment looks good. Mele looks like he knows what he is doing. Slowly the ST will get better. It may not be completely healed until next year. But, there has been improvement.
My finger is not pointed at Leach. I've been totally patient with him, though admittedly it was beginning to wear thin after Portland State in Year 4.

My question is about ST and ST talent, scheme and coaching. Does an ST coach really need head coach time to stop giving up house calls? Is special teams that kind of job? I keep hearing that it's getting better, and we keep giving up worst-in-class plays.

Coug D just gives up another one to keep it interesting. 28-21 Cougs.
 
As long as it takes. People have been questioning Leach every year he has been in Pullman. Moos has given him time and the investment looks good. Mele looks like he knows what he is doing. Slowly the ST will get better. It may not be completely healed until next year. But, there has been improvement.

Dumb question here, by why on earth do our kickers kick precisely to the returner on punts and kickoffs? What am I missing? Seems wise to kick to the opposite side of the field and that is where your coverage goes.
 
According to Thorpe, they do. Understand, while there are starters on ST, many of them are very young players. Young players make both physical and mental mistakes.
Part of it could be the change in focus since the Price era. Then, D was king, so perhaps great tackles, great coverage, etc was especially praised. Now with O the emphasis, perhaps there's less incentive for those types of plays?
 
Cracraft in the clutch.

It was a frustrating 4 years waiting for it to come true, but Leach is a master at getting guys in space.
 
Dumb question here, by why on earth do our kickers kick precisely to the returner on punts and kickoffs? What am I missing? Seems wise to kick to the opposite side of the field and that is where your coverage goes.
Just looks like that. TV narrows the vision and you can't see the adjustment made.
 
Serious question: how patient should we be with special teams?

And how much talent do we need to have to stop giving up a house call every G-D game?

Do ST coaches need "a few years" to stop giving gobs of ST TDs? Or is that something that should not be happening even in Year 1 or 2?

I don't really know if we are playing starters or freshmen....but I don't think it takes a long time to tell kids. This is where you run and when you get close to the guy...tackle him...and then teach them how to tackle.
 
Up two scores going into the half, offense just shredding UA. So far, so good.

Would be nice to come out of half with a stop.
 
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Leach's halftime interviews are secretly dismissive in a way that I'm really warming up to.

"Hey coach, duh, ya gave up another special teams touchdown, how do you, uh, adjust?"

"Run down there and tackle the guy."

You could interpret this as folksy and endearing, or as "let me give this idiot a 4-second non-sound-byte so I can check the compliance box but also say nothing."
 
Leach's halftime interviews are secretly dismissive in a way that I'm really warming up to.

"Hey coach, duh, ya gave up another special teams touchdown, how do you, uh, adjust?"

"Run down there and tackle the guy."

You could interpret this as folksy and endearing, or as "let me give this idiot a 4-second non-sound-byte so I can check the compliance box but also say nothing."

Well it basically is what they need to do. They ran down...they didn't tackle him. 4 people put a hand on him...but they didn't tackle him.
 
Dumb question here, by why on earth do our kickers kick precisely to the returner on punts and kickoffs? What am I missing? Seems wise to kick to the opposite side of the field and that is where your coverage goes.

If the ball is in the air, the return man has enough time to go get it no matter what side of the field the ball is kicked.
 
Well it basically is what they need to do. They ran down...they didn't tackle him. 4 people put a hand on him...but they didn't tackle him.

The players were in position to make the play on that punt. They just didn't. Later on in the season, or maybe it will be next season. Those same players will make the play. It is about learning and becoming more mature.
 
Can our D keep Arizona on their own side of the 50 for 20 seconds?

It is still way early and anything can and will happen in the second half. But, the Cougars defense gave up only 14 points to one of the highest scoring teams in the entire country.

I am not sure why you are complaining about the defense from watching that first half.
 
Part of it could be the change in focus since the Price era. Then, D was king, so perhaps great tackles, great coverage, etc was especially praised. Now with O the emphasis, perhaps there's less incentive for those types of plays?

There were many times during the Price era where special teams were a mess. We seem to remember all the great times and forget about the times when WSU was awful, including the special teams.

Do you remember when the Cougars recruited a kick off specialist in Adam Holliday because WSU coverage had been awful?
 
I know you don't get much out of an Arizona education, Glenn Parker, but once you're behind two scores, you will NOT get back in by merely keeping pace.
 
If the ball is in the air, the return man has enough time to go get it no matter what side of the field the ball is kicked.
I understand, but it is also making him not so comfortable. We kick directly to the returner it seems to me. At least mix it up would be my put on this. Make sense?
 
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