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What are the odds? What needs to happen for CFP explained...

Guys... I love our Cougs just as much / more so than anyone, but...

1) We have needed miracles to beat scrub teams

2) We had a mouthful of ass munch against Boise State

3) We MIGHT have 2 nfl players on the squad

4) We play Big Sky teams from here on out.

We don't deserve the playoffs.

Are we a Top 25 team? Probably/Maybe.

This is flat out stupid if we get in.

What are the odds? What needs to happen for CFP explained...

That 13% doesn’t take into account human bias. It does take into account that we’re entering upset season and every week
There’s going to be some top teams that suffer inexplicable losses. A few weeks ago 5 out of the top 11 teams lost, most in big upsets. Keep winning and there’s a chance. I’d say considering the typical course of a college football season, we should be in the 10-12 range if we are 11-1 at that point, so we would be right on the fringe, which is probably where we should be if we had an 11-1 record with this schedule.

What are the odds? What needs to happen for CFP explained...

Cougars in the CFP? What needs to happen for WSU to defy the odds​

Jon Wilner
Oct. 24, 2024 at 10:30 am

Eight weeks in, Washington State remains in contention.

Not for a bowl berth. As winners of six of their first seven games, the Cougars have already locked up a postseason bid.

Not for the conference title, either. In this unprecedented season, there is no Pac-12 title available.

But the Cougars are in contention for the biggest prize: a berth in the College Football Playoff.

That’s the Hotline’s opinion, but we aren’t alone. ESPN’s playoff predictor gives Washington State a 13 percent chance to qualify.

That’s not much, but it’s not zero. And there are plenty of teams, including a few that left the Pac-12 for the Big Ten, with zero chance to reach the CFP.

In our view, the ESPN forecast is a tad optimistic. It’s based on the metrics. When you include the human element that will surely inform the CFP selection committee’s decisions — we’re talking about brand bias, of course — then WSU’s real-world outlook is a darker shade of gray.

Of course, everything hinges on the Cougars (6-1) winning out. They must sweep the final five games to finish 11-1 in order to make the situation interesting when the committee gathers on the weekend of Dec. 8 to select and seed the 12-team field.

That won’t be easy. In fact, Washington State’s faint hopes could be extinguished this weekend by San Diego State, which has had an extra week to prepare for the Cougars’ visit.

But only one of Washington State’s five remaining opponents currently has a winning record: Oregon State, which hosts the Cougars in the penultimate game of the season. The others (SDSU, Wyoming, Utah State and New Mexico) possess a combined record of 8-19.

(If the Cougars are 9-1 when they head to Corvallis, the competitive dynamic will be fascinating: The Beavers would be better served by losing because of the immense benefits that would come with their Pac-12 partner reaching the CFP.)

But an 11-1 record alone probably wouldn’t get the Cougars into the playoff. Remember, the Pac-12’s depleted state means WSU cannot qualify as a conference champion. The only pathway available is through the at-large pool, where the Cougars would compete with Notre Dame and the best teams in the Power Four that don’t win their conference titles.

In the expanded playoff, the five highest-ranked conference champions receive automatic bids. The next seven teams in the CFP rankings fill out the at-large field.

Put another way: At 11-1, the Cougars would need to finish the season ranked higher than a slew of two- and three-loss teams in the SEC and Big Ten that played tougher schedules, to say nothing of their advantages in the subjective and subconscious factors that will loom in the committee room.

But a slim chance is a chance nonetheless. In our view, the Cougars need help on four fronts, over and above running the table to finish 11-1:

1. Above all, the Cougars need Texas Tech — the team they walloped in Pullman in September — to win the Big 12 title.

Nothing would bolster their case for inclusion more than a head-to-head victory over a Power Four conference champion that’s headed to the CFP as an automatic qualifier.

If that stands as the dream scenario, the reality is far murkier. The Red Raiders (5-2) are merely one of several teams in the hunt in the chaotic Big 12, so let’s not presume this step plays out in WSU’s favor.

2. The Cougars need No. 17 Boise State to run the table in the Mountain West, win the conference title and capture the Group of Five’s automatic bid with a 12-1 record.

If the lone blemish on WSU’s resume is a road loss to a CFP participant whose only loss was by three points at top-ranked Oregon, the Cougars’ resume becomes far more palatable to the committee — especially if Texas Tech doesn’t win the Big 12.

3. The Cougars need Notre Dame to lose somewhere, anywhere, down the stretch.

In this regard, they are not alone. As an Independent, the Irish (6-1) are only eligible for the CFP through the at-large pool. If they finish 11-1, which is highly plausible given their modest upcoming schedule, the Irish will gobble an at-large spot that would otherwise go to the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten or SEC.

Or Washington State.

4. As grotesque as the reality might be to their fans, the Cougars need Washington (4-3) to finish well in the Big Ten. A top-half placement for the Huskies would add shine to WSU’s victory in the Apple Cup.

The best result possible, of course, would be a UW victory over Oregon in the regular-season finale.

All in all, we give the Cougars a 5 percent chance to reach the CFP.

Which, again, is better than a zero percent chance.

Jon Wilner

It's pretty cool that the "so you're saying there's a chance" still applies to us, the CFP is just not going to happen. If UW didn't suck and we had them late in the season and could still beat them the way that we did....it might have helped our chances, but the truth is that we play a lot of terrible teams late in the season. The only way that we have a slim shot is if every game is a 4 TD blowout win.

I do like our chances to get to #21 this week. #24 Navy, #20 Illinois, #21 Missouri, #25 Vandy and #22 SMU all face challenging opponents.

Next week, #19 Pitt faces SMU and a win by the Mustangs gets us to #20 but barring major upsets, that's our only shot that week.

Ole #18 Ole Miss plays #2 Georgia and #15 Bama plays #8 LSU in a couple weeks so there's a remote chance we could get up to #18.

The following week, Army plays Notre Dame. An Irish win helps us more than an Army win does. #16 Kansas State and #11 BYU are the two teams with the toughest games. Maybe that gets us to #15. Maybe Utah upsets Iowa State to get us to #14.

Going on to Week 14, maybe the Beavers knock off #17 Boise State (who will be higher by then) and #14 Texas A&M has to play Texas. KSU plays Iowa State, so that will be another chance to gain the extra spot I identified the week before. If everything falls our way, we get to #12. With that, it's the end of the season and we are one spot outside of where we need to be to get into the CFP because the highest ranked G5 school still gets a spot. If USC knocks off Notre Dame, that might be the final piece that gets us in.

As decent as our early schedule was, it's going to be hard to jump in the polls over teams ahead of us with the schedule we have left. As mentioned in the article, Texas Tech winning the Big 12 would be a big deal for us, but the danger is that winning out means that they have a chance at jumping us in the polls....and losing to a bad Baylor team doesn't bode well for the Red Raiders.

We'll see how it plays out, but I'd love to play in the Alamo Bowl and finish #10 in the country as much as I'd like to play in the CFP.

What are the odds? What needs to happen for CFP explained...

COUGS in the CFP? What needs to happen for WSU to defy the odds...​

Jon Wilner
Oct. 24, 2024 at 10:30 am

Eight weeks in, Washington State remains in contention.

Not for a bowl berth. As winners of six of their first seven games, the Cougars have already locked up a postseason bid.

Not for the conference title, either. In this unprecedented season, there is no Pac-12 title available.

But the Cougars are in contention for the biggest prize: a berth in the College Football Playoff.

That’s the Hotline’s opinion, but we aren’t alone. ESPN’s playoff predictor gives Washington State a 13 percent chance to qualify.

That’s not much, but it’s not zero. And there are plenty of teams, including a few that left the Pac-12 for the Big Ten, with zero chance to reach the CFP.

In our view, the ESPN forecast is a tad optimistic. It’s based on the metrics. When you include the human element that will surely inform the CFP selection committee’s decisions — we’re talking about brand bias, of course — then WSU’s real-world outlook is a darker shade of gray.

Of course, everything hinges on the Cougars (6-1) winning out. They must sweep the final five games to finish 11-1 in order to make the situation interesting when the committee gathers on the weekend of Dec. 8 to select and seed the 12-team field.

That won’t be easy. In fact, Washington State’s faint hopes could be extinguished this weekend by San Diego State, which has had an extra week to prepare for the Cougars’ visit.

But only one of Washington State’s five remaining opponents currently has a winning record: Oregon State, which hosts the Cougars in the penultimate game of the season. The others (SDSU, Wyoming, Utah State and New Mexico) possess a combined record of 8-19.

(If the Cougars are 9-1 when they head to Corvallis, the competitive dynamic will be fascinating: The Beavers would be better served by losing because of the immense benefits that would come with their Pac-12 partner reaching the CFP.)

But an 11-1 record alone probably wouldn’t get the Cougars into the playoff. Remember, the Pac-12’s depleted state means WSU cannot qualify as a conference champion. The only pathway available is through the at-large pool, where the Cougars would compete with Notre Dame and the best teams in the Power Four that don’t win their conference titles.

In the expanded playoff, the five highest-ranked conference champions receive automatic bids. The next seven teams in the CFP rankings fill out the at-large field.

Put another way: At 11-1, the Cougars would need to finish the season ranked higher than a slew of two- and three-loss teams in the SEC and Big Ten that played tougher schedules, to say nothing of their advantages in the subjective and subconscious factors that will loom in the committee room.

But a slim chance is a chance nonetheless. In our view, the Cougars need help on four fronts, over and above running the table to finish 11-1:

1. Above all, the Cougars need Texas Tech — the team they walloped in Pullman in September — to win the Big 12 title.

Nothing would bolster their case for inclusion more than a head-to-head victory over a Power Four conference champion that’s headed to the CFP as an automatic qualifier.

If that stands as the dream scenario, the reality is far murkier. The Red Raiders (5-2) are merely one of several teams in the hunt in the chaotic Big 12, so let’s not presume this step plays out in WSU’s favor.

2. The Cougars need No. 17 Boise State to run the table in the Mountain West, win the conference title and capture the Group of Five’s automatic bid with a 12-1 record.

If the lone blemish on WSU’s resume is a road loss to a CFP participant whose only loss was by three points at top-ranked Oregon, the Cougars’ resume becomes far more palatable to the committee — especially if Texas Tech doesn’t win the Big 12.

3. The Cougars need Notre Dame to lose somewhere, anywhere, down the stretch.

In this regard, they are not alone. As an Independent, the Irish (6-1) are only eligible for the CFP through the at-large pool. If they finish 11-1, which is highly plausible given their modest upcoming schedule, the Irish will gobble an at-large spot that would otherwise go to the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten or SEC.

Or Washington State.

4. As grotesque as the reality might be to their fans, the Cougars need Washington (4-3) to finish well in the Big Ten. A top-half placement for the Huskies would add shine to WSU’s victory in the Apple Cup.

The best result possible, of course, would be a UW victory over Oregon in the regular-season finale.

All in all, we give the Cougars a 5 percent chance to reach the CFP.

Which, again, is better than a zero percent chance.

Jon Wilner
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Stanford still has an opening. And I see they aren't scheduled to play ND in 2025 or any future years. Hmm.

Sac St. does have 2 openings, including a mutually open date of Oct. 4. Since they only have 4 home games, they are probably looking at home slots. Although if they are really going to replace their stadium after this season, being road warriors may be inevitable. That said, I really prefer not to play 2 FCS teams in a season. Sac St could be seen as an exception, if they were on their way to FBS. Probably to the MW.
I'm very disappointed with the B1G, Big 12, and ACC. All 3 combined to take 10 schools away from the PAC-12 to tear apart our conference but won't help OSU and WSU with scheduling football games. Absolutely classless.

Instead, we're left with this miserable deal with the MWC.

No way would I want to see WSU play AT Sacramento State.

Very nice of Colorado State to adjust their schedule to play a game with the Cougars. Good partnership. That's a school I'd want in the rebuilt PAC-12.

Beav's Home-and-Home

Colorado State is added and now is 9/27. @ UVA shifted to October, the weekend after @ Ole Miss.
CSU cancelled Vandy. Wonder if that’s our last game?
Wow - that is quite the development. CSU buys its way out of a trip to SEC Vandy to play WSU at home. Works for me. Would love to see the dollars involved just out of curiosity.

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Perhaps Loyal will drink himself into a stupor at ease. Colorado State has been added to the 2025 schedule.
And keeping UNLV and AFA could easily be short term.

But you’re underestimating the size of Loyal’s crush on Gloria.
Hey stalker. I'm still in your head I see.

Oh and "Prescient". Another big fancy word. I'm in awe.....

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The narrative of the MWC “successes” has been baffling to me. They added UTEP which is one of the worst all time programs, and Hawaii for all sports which adds tons of travel costs for all sports. They also tried to invite Tarleton State, Sam Houston, and TxSt and all said no. To me their moves have underwhelming bordering on ass. Using their payout money to secure UNLV instead assisting in paying for schools like Montana, and Montana St to elevate to FBS seems like a dumb choice. They need good teams not just UNLV and AF funded.
And keeping UNLV and AFA could easily be short term.

But you’re underestimating the size of Loyal’s crush on Gloria.

Beav's Home-and-Home

Just to echo two things:

1.) Gloria overplayed her hand. Rather than creating a partnership that could lead to a constructive future, she approached the situation with the idea that since we had no choice for this year's schedule, she was going to milk it for all she could get. What she underestimated was the level of dissatisfaction that her own lead schools had with her leadership. That led directly to where we are today. With Hawaii the MWC was already the biggest East/West travel conference. Now she will have to pick up some midwest schools to fill the roster and that distance will increase further. Maybe that is not all bad from a fan standpoint...who doesn't want to go to Hawaii? but it is hard to see how that benefits the students...though the next step in the evolution is likely to be that SEC schools don't require their semi-pro athletes to attend school. Sure looks that way, anyway.

2.) And those UW alums that I actually know well enough to talk with are even further into the buyer's remorse mode than they were a year ago. For all the obvious reasons.
The narrative of the MWC “successes” has been baffling to me. They added UTEP which is one of the worst all time programs, and Hawaii for all sports which adds tons of travel costs for all sports. They also tried to invite Tarleton State, Sam Houston, and TxSt and all said no. To me their moves have underwhelming bordering on ass. Using their payout money to secure UNLV instead assisting in paying for schools like Montana, and Montana St to elevate to FBS seems like a dumb choice. They need good teams not just UNLV and AF funded.

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L = let

I = it

P = play

O = out

G = go

F = ????

Y = yourself

Please let me know if you still need help. I got your back, buddy!

Go Cougs 😺
I'm done trying to communicate with you on an adult level. You have no ideas, no opinions, and no predictions. Just a continuing stream of insults and jibberish that bring nothing to the table. So you be you. I'll limit my conversations to those posters who have something to discuss and ponder. Bye!

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Putting together college football schedules in a year's time is apparently very difficult to do. Hence this ridiculous deal we got from the MWC for 2024.

As an Oregon Stater, I don't mind playing the Cougs twice next year. If we get another TV deal with the CW, then there's two weekends we'll be able to provide a game to their viewers.

Looking at the WSU schedule, I'm a little surprised:
* no Stanford or Cal
* just SDSU, and none of the other future PAC-12 schools
* no Sacramento State

If Sac State is so eager to join the PAC-12, then they need to make themselves available to play in Pullman if need be. While yes, they're a FCS school, it would give the Cougs 7 home games.
Stanford still has an opening. And I see they aren't scheduled to play ND in 2025 or any future years. Hmm.

Sac St. does have 2 openings, including a mutually open date of Oct. 4. Since they only have 4 home games, they are probably looking at home slots. Although if they are really going to replace their stadium after this season, being road warriors may be inevitable. That said, I really prefer not to play 2 FCS teams in a season. Sac St could be seen as an exception, if they were on their way to FBS. Probably to the MW.

Beav's Home-and-Home

You have part of the story, but not the entire story. The Pac 2 and Teresa soon found that Gloria played extreme hardball with the two schools. They tried to negotiate a fair deal, but Gloria wanted to win in a route. OSU and WSU were in a time crunch and needed to schedule games, so they accepted a horrible deal. A deal that we were paying MWC schools, whether we were at home or on the road, payouts that Ohio State, and Notre Dame pay for body bag games in their own house.

But it also showed the Pac 2 that they wanted no part of Gloria. That is why basketball went to the WCC, because they were reasonable. It also showed the two schools that we would be treated like stepchildren like the uw is finding out they are now in the Big Ten with the Friday night games, the 9:30am games, and being relegated to the little watched Big Ten Network.

It was never about Teresa being power hungry.
Just to echo two things:

1.) Gloria overplayed her hand. Rather than creating a partnership that could lead to a constructive future, she approached the situation with the idea that since we had no choice for this year's schedule, she was going to milk it for all she could get. What she underestimated was the level of dissatisfaction that her own lead schools had with her leadership. That led directly to where we are today. With Hawaii the MWC was already the biggest East/West travel conference. Now she will have to pick up some midwest schools to fill the roster and that distance will increase further. Maybe that is not all bad from a fan standpoint...who doesn't want to go to Hawaii? but it is hard to see how that benefits the students...though the next step in the evolution is likely to be that SEC schools don't require their semi-pro athletes to attend school. Sure looks that way, anyway.

2.) And those UW alums that I actually know well enough to talk with are even further into the buyer's remorse mode than they were a year ago. For all the obvious reasons.
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