mikalalas said:

If Mediation hasn't reached a settlement by May 23rd, 24th, 25th, then Mediation will probably have failed, in that it would have failed to reach a in the middle settlement in a reasonable short period of time, causing Mediation or a court to be delayed long enough to endanger possibly missing deadlines.

PAC 12 can get either Texas St, New Mexico St, or already has them under lock, wraps, with a clause that let's the PAC 12 replace them with UNLV or Airforce or Memphis or Tulane, etc, if able, and if not, then Texas St, New Mexico St get added at full share, and then gets announced.

If that doesn't happen, there is also the remote possibility WSU, Ore St, PAC 12, etc, can make the case to the NCAA that MWC playing hard ball in the scheduling agreement, leveling poaching fees, the lawsuit, Mediation, mitigating circumstances, etc, prevented, made it harder for WSU, Ore St to make the July deadline for PAC 12 to be a conference, and that the conference should be allowed to finish lawsuit, Mediation, and then have a 2 to 4 to 6 month extension on the deadline to become a conference, so that the MWC can't use the approaching deadline to force PAC 12 to accept unfair, illegal poaching fees, etc.

That said, even if that happens, Teresa Gould has failed miserably.

Teresa Gould, and Lawyers, PAC 12 leadership should be able to reach a settlement, and move on. Failure to do so, some of the blame might be on MWC, especially if they are being unreasonable, not compromising, etc. But most to almost all of the blame should be on Teresa and her staff, legal team, leaders, etc, for lack of leadership, lack of negotiation skills.

Any competent leader, commish, etc, should be able, should have been able to easily not do the merger with MWC, talk MWC into not levying the poaching fees in the first place, getting the MWC 5, BSU, FSU, SDSU, Utah St, CSU, and 1 of either Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, UNLV, Texas St, etc, to join the PAC 12, etc.

No competent Commish should FCK everything up and FCK everything up this badly.

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It doesn’t really matter as we’re really just like the waitstaff after a lavish wedding of the Big Beautiful People who are fighting over who gets to take home the table scraps.

Coug90 said:

Would be a kickass trip.

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If there’s no hurricanes.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Well it is almost midday Thursday. Is it safe to assume that the mediation talks have failed and we are off to court?

If so, good job Teresa, etc. of pushing the issue back for who knows how long. (insert sarcasm emoji here). It'll really help in trying to secure our 8th team and I suppose the elusive media deal.

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If Mediation hasn't reached a settlement by May 23rd, 24th, 25th, then Mediation will probably have failed, in that it would have failed to reach a in the middle settlement in a reasonable short period of time, causing Mediation or a court to be delayed long enough to endanger possibly missing deadlines.

PAC 12 can get either Texas St, New Mexico St, or already has them under lock, wraps, with a clause that let's the PAC 12 replace them with UNLV or Airforce or Memphis or Tulane, etc, if able, and if not, then Texas St, New Mexico St get added at full share, and then gets announced.

If that doesn't happen, there is also the remote possibility WSU, Ore St, PAC 12, etc, can make the case to the NCAA that MWC playing hard ball in the scheduling agreement, leveling poaching fees, the lawsuit, Mediation, mitigating circumstances, etc, prevented, made it harder for WSU, Ore St to make the July deadline for PAC 12 to be a conference, and that the conference should be allowed to finish lawsuit, Mediation, and then have a 2 to 4 to 6 month extension on the deadline to become a conference, so that the MWC can't use the approaching deadline to force PAC 12 to accept unfair, illegal poaching fees, etc.

That said, even if that happens, Teresa Gould has failed miserably.

Teresa Gould, and Lawyers, PAC 12 leadership should be able to reach a settlement, and move on. Failure to do so, some of the blame might be on MWC, especially if they are being unreasonable, not compromising, etc. But most to almost all of the blame should be on Teresa and her staff, legal team, leaders, etc, for lack of leadership, lack of negotiation skills.

Any competent leader, commish, etc, should be able, should have been able to easily not do the merger with MWC, talk MWC into not levying the poaching fees in the first place, getting the MWC 5, BSU, FSU, SDSU, Utah St, CSU, and 1 of either Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, UNLV, Texas St, etc, to join the PAC 12, etc.

No competent Commish should FCK everything up and FCK everything up this badly.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Gawd do we have to wait that long? How about this edit:

"But whatever, they'll all be running the world in 20 years, glad I won't be will long be for the earth by then."

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So planning on the human composting route then?

COUGinNCW said:

I need to make a decision on that one. Thinking Ole Miss, driving up the coast and heading to UVa the next weekend.

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Would be a kickass trip.

I need to make a decision on that one. Thinking Ole Miss, driving up the coast and heading to UVa the next weekend.

Loyal Coug1 said:

$100 each or total? Either way, that cheap and in that location surprises the shit out of me.

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Total. Pretty crazy. I was shocked. $47 a piece with the promo code. Out the door.

Coug90 said:

Seatgeek is having a Memorial Day sale right now. 20% off ticket purchases so essentially wipes out their fees and then some.

I got two tix for Ol Miss 30 yard line like 15 rows up for under $100. I figured that game would be a lot more so pleasantly surprised.

Not a bad weekend to do some shopping if you want to get road game tix.

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$100 each or total? Either way, that cheap and in that location surprises the shit out of me.

BleedCrimsonandGray said:

What's ridiculous is that these emo generations have been a) told that they don't have to tolerate anyone hurting their precious feelers and b) not told that most of this shit is temporary, and if you just stick it out you'll be the better for it, one way or another.

But whatever, they'll all be running the world in 20 years, glad I won't be long for the earth by then.

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Gawd do we have to wait that long? How about this edit:

"But whatever, they'll all be running the world in 20 years, glad I won't be will long be for the earth by then."

Suudy said:

Dr Feiz was a straight up biatch. She was not a nice person. I'm not surprised it happened to her. However, she was a damn good teacher, even though she hated it. From what I heard, she left WSU because they would not let her do research full time, but requiring her to do some teaching.

And I will say thanks to her I landed a 6 month co-op at Intel. When I went down to interview for a job in their standard cell design group (basically designing logic cells at the transistor level). I did this interview while taking EE476(?), the "Analog Integrated Circuits" class. At the end they asked me "How do you know CMOS so well? There wasn't a single question you couldn't answer. You probably know transistors better than most of us." I answered, "Dr Feiz's class."

So, while I appreciate the opportunity I had to learn from her. I can't say I was sad to see her leave. She was mean, tough, demanding, and unforgiving. But she did a great job teaching.

Edit: And a lot of the stories I heard were from her grad students. She was a slave driver. They hated working for her, but recognized how smart she was and how studying under her would be helpful. I don't think she'd make it today with the latest generation. She'd have complaints coming out her ears nowadays. She might survive, but it would be a chore.

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What's ridiculous is that these emo generations have been a) told that they don't have to tolerate anyone hurting their precious feelers and b) not told that most of this shit is temporary, and if you just stick it out you'll be the better for it, one way or another.

But whatever, they'll all be running the world in 20 years, glad I won't be long for the earth by then.

WillieThePimp said:

Terri Feiz went on to head up Oregon State’s College of EE and ultimately got railroaded out of there in a political power play. Complete travesty. IMO an outstanding and truly remarkable person who deserved better.

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Dr Feiz was a straight up biatch. She was not a nice person. I'm not surprised it happened to her. However, she was a damn good teacher, even though she hated it. From what I heard, she left WSU because they would not let her do research full time, but requiring her to do some teaching.

And I will say thanks to her I landed a 6 month co-op at Intel. When I went down to interview for a job in their standard cell design group (basically designing logic cells at the transistor level). I did this interview while taking EE476(?), the "Analog Integrated Circuits" class. At the end they asked me "How do you know CMOS so well? There wasn't a single question you couldn't answer. You probably know transistors better than most of us." I answered, "Dr Feiz's class."

So, while I appreciate the opportunity I had to learn from her. I can't say I was sad to see her leave. She was mean, tough, demanding, and unforgiving. But she did a great job teaching.

Edit: And a lot of the stories I heard were from her grad students. She was a slave driver. They hated working for her, but recognized how smart she was and how studying under her would be helpful. I don't think she'd make it today with the latest generation. She'd have complaints coming out her ears nowadays. She might survive, but it would be a chore.

BleedCrimsonandGray said:

How do you feel about that?

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At the time, I was pretty pissed. Especially Dr Wang. The first test was brutal. I walked out feeling ridiculously dumb. I thought, "Crap! If I can't pass this, how will I get a degree at all?" In the end, turns out he was a pretty damn nice guy who would work with anyone for hours to help understand the material.

The fact that it was a "weed out" test is what bothered me. If I didn't have the guts to stay in figuring I might pull it out, I would never have found that out.

Coug90 said:

What’s the story?

I recognize the name too, I must have taken that class.

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When I was a senior, I found out I could earn about $500/semester teaching Math 101/107. Math 101 was a 0 credit, remedial math class for those that failed the math placement test. Math 107 was basically Algebra 2 from high school.

Anyway, I'm teaching Math 101 and it's packed with athletes. Lots of football and basketball players. Our advising professor gave us everything--syllabus, schedule for materials, she wrote the quizzes and tests, all we did was teach the material, give office hours, and grade everything. Students were allowed a calculator, but no notes. We had a strict no cheating policy and were told to give 0's to those caught.

Along comes the first test, and this guy has stashed a cheat sheet in his calculator. I can see him in the back sliding it out of his calculator cover and secretly reading from it. I walk by, take his test, and tell him he can go. He laughed, shrugged, and walked out. I gave him a 0 on the test. Along comes the next quiz. He pulls out the same cheat sheet. I take his quiz, and tell him to stay after class. I tell him that he will get another 0, and that he's in danger of failing the class. He again laughs and says "Don't worry about it. My coaches will help me."

Then the 2nd test comes. Again, I catch him with his cheat sheet. I take his test, and tell him to leave. He laughs again, high-fives his teammates, and leaves. I tell the supervisor about this guy and she tells me to just go to the math department and file paperwork to have him removed from the class for academic dishonesty. When the form comes back tell him he's no longer welcome in the class.

Instead of getting the paperwork back, I get called into the assistant dean's office (the same guy mentioned above) along with the teaching supervisor. He asks me to explain the situation, and I do, just as above. He nods along and then says "Yes, he should be removed from the class. But here's the problem ....."

Turns out if he gets removed from the class, he will fall below the minimum number of credits necessary to remain eligible to practice/play. They ask me to just tell him not to come to class and just give him an F for the semester. No need to go through the paperwork. Then he can work with his tutor the remainder of the semester and over winter break to take it again in the spring. They said I would not be "required" to do this, but it was just a request from the coaching staff, and they would support me if I chose not to. Of course being a Coug football fan and a bit awed by the situation I was in, I agreed. And thinking on it 30 years later, I would probably have done the same thing now.

Fortunately, I didn't have him in my class the next spring. Not sure how that would have gone over.

But to bring it all home, about 3 years later I was in Dissmore's. Who's bagging my groceries? The same guy! He recognizes me, and was pretty nice about it. He said, "Hey! Your the professor that flunked me in math!" He laughed and said "Sorry I was such a dumbass punk then. I never did pass that class and eventually dropped out of school."

PeteTheChop said:

Sure she's a wonderful gal, but be careful out there.

They had a story on Nightline a few months back where some attractive young ladies took unsuspecting guys in their 50's, 60's and even 70's for all they were worth.

Those old codgers were in a tough spot without an easy way to recoup their losses

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Better pass that along to Bill Belichick. Rumor has it that he's engaged to his 24-year-old.

PeteTheChop said:

Bill Moos pulling Mike Leach from the scrap heap wasn't a run of the mill hire, right?

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That was under Floyd, not your pal Schulz.......

Loyal Coug1 said:

Yeah I should have grabbed both the 'Ol Crimson Lager and a bottle of wine to show off on the shelf, although I'm not much of a wine drinker, especially Cabernet. Didn't see what variety was in the bottles I saw.

I watched the WAZZU mess firsthand. It was pathetic. And spearheaded by our Marketing AVP, who wasn't a Coug. She didn't understand. I did get my hands on a WAZZU shirt that they had stuffed in a cabinet. Still have it somewhere.

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Finally was able to try the 'Ol Crimson lager when I was back in WA a few weeks ago. It's crushable, and a solid lager.

I found the current batch of that alumni association (Cougar Collectors' series) and looks like we're on Cougar XI. https://www.winebycougars.com/s/1613/18/interior.aspx?sid=1613&gid=2&pgid=11612

Loyal Coug1 said:

Finally, you sure are fixated on the wallet I lost 20 months ago. And yes I still have mine, full of cash. You want details of the mind-blowing sex I had last night with my young honey?

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Sure she's a wonderful gal, but be careful out there.

They had a story on Nightline a few months back where some attractive young ladies took unsuspecting guys in their 50's, 60's and even 70's for all they were worth.

Those old codgers were in a tough spot without an easy way to recoup their losses

dgibbons said:

WSU and OSU being stuck in a conference with Wyoming, UNM, Nevada and Hawaii is apparently what you want to accomplish, because SDSU, CSU, FSU, USU and BSU took the opportunity to leave.

The Regents don't have to call a meeting. They have regular meetings already scheduled. The agenda would reflect some kind of action on a settlement.

The MWC having to pay UNLV and AFA money the MWC doesn't have is a bigger problem for the MWC than finding an 8th member is for the Pac. Texas State or whoever will take a full or close to it revenue share.

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Good info as usual DGib

Curious if an 8th football member is actually the intitial stopping point for the Pac 2.0 as OSU's AD from Spokane said last year that nine FB schools was the preferred number. Seems like UNLV and perhaps Texas State might remain the targets?

That would provide four home conference football games every year and leave just four non-conference games to plug into the schedule. Five non-conference games could be challenge, especially if there's any lasting fall-out from the catfight between the Pac-12 and MWC lady commissioners.

Could see a scenario where there would be October and even November games against FCS schools, which the SEC has done for many years. Not sure how those FCS games would play with the Pac-12 fan bases.

95coug said:

This is a problem that predates Schulz. Particularly with regard to athletics, WSU has had no imagination since...ever.

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Bill Moos pulling Mike Leach from the scrap heap wasn't a run of the mill hire, right?

CougSinceBirth said:

V. Lane Rawlins was a trash university president. That guy doesn't understanding Branding or Marketing 101 and his attempt to kill the "Wazzu" nickname tells me everything I need to know: he's a certified dumb@ss.

But hey, he got his golf course, right?


Separate point about the WSU wine (just the plain bottle with the logo and a roman numeral): I believe a rotating vineyard does a WSU vintage bottle each year (if that's the label you're talking about?). Nice, fun collectors' item.

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Yeah I should have grabbed both the 'Ol Crimson Lager and a bottle of wine to show off on the shelf, although I'm not much of a wine drinker, especially Cabernet. Didn't see what variety was in the bottles I saw.

I watched the WAZZU mess firsthand. It was pathetic. And spearheaded by our Marketing AVP, who wasn't a Coug. She didn't understand. I did get my hands on a WAZZU shirt that they had stuffed in a cabinet. Still have it somewhere.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Only problem I have with your points is not needing a degree to succeed in business. Sure, a savvy entrepreneur type can build a business or be a good salesman or whatever, but if you want a career in something like Accounting (the biggest field by far when I went there) you have to have a degree. And I have been aced out of more than one job opportunity because I don't have a Masters/MBA. And as a side note, I will always argue for young people to have the campus experience to grow up and learn to interact with humans rather than their phones and laptops. If you are 35 and going for that degree, online is fine. If you are 18, not so much IMHO. (You didn't mention online degrees, just throwing that in there)

Viticulture is a huge field. Ask Walla Walla or the entire Yakima/Tri-Cities region. Real surprised if only 30 students are in it.

And yeah. Our student quality was on the rise under Rawlins, thanks in large part to massive marketing/PR efforts. "World Class, Face to Face" and all that. Under Floyd, it ended up starting to dip, in part due to increased diversity recruiting. Our Floyd-hired SA VP, a Hispanic man, went all out recruiting Hispanic kids. No problem there, but yeah academic quality and success suffered.

95, I'm pretty far removed from my WSU knowledge after all this time. Feel free to correct any of my points.

Unrelated, I was in Pullman this week and saw Ol Crimson Lager in a display along with some WSU branded wine at Safeway. At the time I wanted cold beer, and the display was not, so I didn't get any. I should have grabbed a half case for later, regret that now. Cool packaging.

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V. Lane Rawlins was a trash university president. That guy doesn't understanding Branding or Marketing 101 and his attempt to kill the "Wazzu" nickname tells me everything I need to know: he's a certified dumb@ss.

But hey, he got his golf course, right?


Separate point about the WSU wine (just the plain bottle with the logo and a roman numeral): I believe a rotating vineyard does a WSU vintage bottle each year (if that's the label you're talking about?). Nice, fun collectors' item.

Loyal Coug1 said:

I don't need to be reminded of anything. Yes the Pac-2 had no interest in the reverse merger (duh, that has been obvious for over a year now). A huge arrogant mistake that become more apparent with each passing day. I do hear in other places that some or all of the Traitors are feeling trepidation and maybe buyer's remorse right now.

And you and your "one satisfaction". We'll see how far that flies. Seems as if we agree that the Regents would have to call and publicly announce a meeting if they need to sign off.

Also, the Pac-2 has time on their side? How do you figure that? Clock is approaching midnight on getting that 8th member from the mighty Sun Belt, and the media deal is in the mix.

Finally, you sure are fixated on the wallet I lost 20 months ago. And yes I still have mine, full of cash. You want details of the mind-blowing sex I had last night with my young honey?

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WSU and OSU being stuck in a conference with Wyoming, UNM, Nevada and Hawaii is apparently what you want to accomplish, because SDSU, CSU, FSU, USU and BSU took the opportunity to leave.

The Regents don't have to call a meeting. They have regular meetings already scheduled. The agenda would reflect some kind of action on a settlement.

The MWC having to pay UNLV and AFA money the MWC doesn't have is a bigger problem for the MWC than finding an 8th member is for the Pac. Texas State or whoever will take a full or close to it revenue share.

dgibbons said:

This is not a surprise at all. You've been told that mediation is confidential. So, there is no reason to expect a press conference. It's entirely possible that the parties resolved some issues, but not others, that the talks went in a direction that was beyond settlement authority requiring one or both parties to confer with the various decision makers, that they've totally resolved all issues and need to get the various boards of regents for each school to sign off, or any number of other things.

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Well stated, Gib. I suspect this is more or less where they are in the process. Would love to be a fly on the wall in that room and know exactly, but what you surmise almost has to have at least a partial explanation for what we've seen thus far.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Only problem I have with your points is not needing a degree to succeed in business. Sure, a savvy entrepreneur type can build a business or be a good salesman or whatever, but if you want a career in something like Accounting (the biggest field by far when I went there) you have to have a degree. And I have been aced out of more than one job opportunity because I don't have a Masters/MBA. And as a side note, I will always argue for young people to have the campus experience to grow up and learn to interact with humans rather than their phones and laptops. If you are 35 and going for that degree, online is fine. If you are 18, not so much IMHO. (You didn't mention online degrees, just throwing that in there)

Viticulture is a huge field. Ask Walla Walla or the entire Yakima/Tri-Cities region. Real surprised if only 30 students are in it.

And yeah. Our student quality was on the rise under Rawlins, thanks in large part to massive marketing/PR efforts. "World Class, Face to Face" and all that. Under Floyd, it ended up starting to dip, in part due to increased diversity recruiting. Our Floyd-hired SA VP, a Hispanic man, went all out recruiting Hispanic kids. No problem there, but yeah academic quality and success suffered.

95, I'm pretty far removed from my WSU knowledge after all this time. Feel free to correct any of my points.

Unrelated, I was in Pullman this week and saw Ol Crimson Lager in a display along with some WSU branded wine at Safeway. At the time I wanted cold beer, and the display was not, so I didn't get any. I should have grabbed a half case for later, regret that now. Cool packaging.

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Viticulture is a big field regionally...but there aren't that many jobs in it.

As for business...I agree that an on-campus experience is better for younger students. But in the interest of economics, WSU has gone the other way. More and more classes are offered online, and I don't think you can even get an MBA on the physical campus anymore.