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Watching WSU win all these close games this year has been fun, even with the nail biting!! But this team is not top 12 in the nation, as much as I hate saying that, it’s true. Also, playing a very good team in a bowl game with a dominant running game could look pretty bad for this team. All that said, Go Cougs !!

Alleged upcoming media deal for 2026...

Memphis's AD said, hinted that IF the PAC 12 had made a better offer, like either a concrete, good media deal(like better then BSU, Hawai, MWC's projected 8 to 10 mil per team, per year deal(Before BSU, etc, went to PAC 12), or better then the AAC's 9,10,11,12 mil per team, per year deal, or a equal media deal, but better then the 2.5 mil lowball offer, the PAC 12 offered to Memphis, etc, to help pay AAC exit fees, that Memphis would consider better.

So if the PAC 12 can either offer Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, etc, either a better then 8 to 10 mil media deal, concrete better media deal number, or offer a lot more then 2.5 mil to help with AAC Exit Fee, then Memphis would be open, consider that, etc.

That's why the PAC is getting media deal numbers like what would the PAC 12 be worth if it had Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, etc, so they can go back to Memphis and Say something like "Hey, here is proof that if you join PAC 12, you'll get about 15 mil."

ESPN, FOX does NOT want to do a media deal, that includes Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, Gonzaga, etc, better then 8-10 mil, etc.
Memphis had OK viewership for a Friday night game up against only UCLA-Iowa. Tulane and USF? Not so much. None of those teams move the needle much if at all. TV ratings throughout the year confirm that.

Alleged upcoming media deal for 2026...

I'd be fine with the late game being on ESPN2 and call it Pac-12 after dark. It'll get decent TV numbers.

I don't buy the games will be only on ESPN2. ESPN has ZERO Big-10 games and would put the Apple Cup (WSU host) on ABC or a better platform for viewership. Same with the Civil War.

I would also explore "rebooting" the Pac-12 network with a strategic partner, like ESPN or Fox.

ESPN is going all in with streaming, so that may be the way to go. I personally think ESPN+ is painful as it is pretty slow tp load and is choppy at my house.
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Alleged upcoming media deal for 2026...

You keep coming up with these numbers that go up to 18 million...but based on what? And your idiotic range of "12 to 15 to 18 mil" doesn't even make sense. No network or conference is going to even talk about a range that varies by up to 50%. It's meaningless. You also don't seem to know that half the teams you keep talking about - Memphis and Tulane specifically - have already turned us down.

You reference what we're "logically, computedly" worth. I've never seen any logic in your claims, and who computed that?

Seriously, we have 7 teams now - the two (obviously) lowest market value teams from the Pac-12, combined with 5 teams from the MWC that were getting 4-5M. WSU and OSU got up to $21M when they were revenue sharing with USC, UCLA, UO, and UW. Even if we pretend that we commanded $21M ourselves - we didn't - once that's averaged with 5 teams that are only worth $5M, everyone gets about $9M.

Sorry if that's too much actual logic and real math for you, but your 12-15-18M numbers have always been ridiculous and completely without merit. If we can swing a massively successful negotiation with a massively stupid network exec, we might be able to get to 12. Far more likely we're at 8-10. Maybe we can get some streaming milestones like what was supposedly in the Pac-12 Apple deal, but those aren't going to get us anywhere near 15-18.

Memphis's AD said, hinted that IF the PAC 12 had made a better offer, like either a concrete, good media deal(like better then BSU, Hawai, MWC's projected 8 to 10 mil per team, per year deal(Before BSU, etc, went to PAC 12), or better then the AAC's 9,10,11,12 mil per team, per year deal, or a equal media deal, but better then the 2.5 mil lowball offer, the PAC 12 offered to Memphis, etc, to help pay AAC exit fees, that Memphis would consider better.

So if the PAC 12 can either offer Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, etc, either a better then 8 to 10 mil media deal, concrete better media deal number, or offer a lot more then 2.5 mil to help with AAC Exit Fee, then Memphis would be open, consider that, etc.

That's why the PAC is getting media deal numbers like what would the PAC 12 be worth if it had Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, etc, so they can go back to Memphis and Say something like "Hey, here is proof that if you join PAC 12, you'll get about 15 mil."

ESPN, FOX does NOT want to do a media deal, that includes Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, Gonzaga, etc, better then 8-10 mil, etc.

Alleged upcoming media deal for 2026...

MI, the MWC, before BSU, etc, went to PAC 12, was, is getting about 4 mil per team, per year. And then they the MWC was also going to get 8 to 10 mil per team per year. This was with BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, CSU, Utah St, Airforce, SJSU, Wyoming, Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, THE BOTTOM DWELLERS OF THE MWC.

For ESPN, FOX to say that BSU, Memphis, Tulane, Fresno St, SDSU, USF, UTSA, Gonzaga, WSU, CSU, OSU, Utah St, no BOTTOM DWELLERS LIKE NEW MEXICO, NEVADA, HAWAI, SJSU, WYOMING, ETC, is EQUAL TO THE BSU MWC WITH BOTTOM DWELLERS, and also only worth 8 to 10 mil per team, per year, is ILLOGICAL HORSESHIT, since BSU, MEMPHIS, FRESNO ST, SDSU, GONZAGA, TULANE, USF, UTSA, WSU, OSU, CSU, UTAH ST, ARE CLEARLY A HELL LOT BETTER THEN BSU MWC, WITH BOTTOM DWELLERS LIKE HAWAI, ETC, COMPETITION WISE, BRAND NAME WISE, TV WISE, ETC.

IF MR SPOCK WERE IN CHARGE OF THE MEDIA DEAL, HE WOULD OFFER THE BSU PAC 12, 12,13,14,15,16,17,18 mil per team, per year, and would offer the BSU MWC with Hawai, about 7 to 10 mil per team, per year.

No way in FCKING HELL is BSU, Memphis, Fresno St, SDSU, Gonzaga, Tulane, USF, UTSA, WSU, OSU, CSU, Utah St, only worth 8 to 10 mil, just like the BSU MWC, with Hawai.

That's why ESPN's, FOX'S exclusive media deal offers are only 8 to 10 mil per team, per year, and don't include Gonzaga, Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA.

PAC 12, Octagon, would have to be ILLOGICAL MORONS to do a 8 to 10 mil per team, per year deal with ESPN or FOX, instead of doing a 12,13,14,15,16,17,18 mil per team per year PIECEMEAL, COMBINED DEAL with CW, TNT, Prime Video, CBS, Apple, NBC, ABC, Netflix, Hulu, stream, TV, PAC 12 enterprises production studio.

ESPN, FOX wants to RIP OFF, LOWBALL, the PAC 12, and does not want to include Gonzaga, Memphis, ETC, and does not want PAC 12 to recover, get a 12 to 15 to 18 mil per team, per year media deal, and wants to kill the PAC 12 permanently, so that the PAC 12 NEVER, EVER challenges Big 10, SEC, their CASH COWS, FAR OFF INTO THE FAR OFF FUTURE.

The PAC 12 is NOT only worth 8 to 10 mil, Spock, Data would say that is ILLOGICAL, DOES NOT COMPUTE, THAT the PAC 12 would only be worth 8 to 10 mil.

The PAC 12 logically, computedly is worth about 12 to 15 to 18 mil per team, per year, for Gonzaga, Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, PAC 12, etc, since that was, is way the hell better competition, brand, name, TV, etc, wise then the BSU, Hawai, MWC, that worth 8 to 10 mil per team, per year.
You keep coming up with these numbers that go up to 18 million...but based on what? And your idiotic range of "12 to 15 to 18 mil" doesn't even make sense. No network or conference is going to even talk about a range that varies by up to 50%. It's meaningless. You also don't seem to know that half the teams you keep talking about - Memphis and Tulane specifically - have already turned us down.

You reference what we're "logically, computedly" worth. I've never seen any logic in your claims, and who computed that?

Seriously, we have 7 teams now - the two (obviously) lowest market value teams from the Pac-12, combined with 5 teams from the MWC that were getting 4-5M. WSU and OSU got up to $21M when they were revenue sharing with USC, UCLA, UO, and UW. Even if we pretend that we commanded $21M ourselves - we didn't - once that's averaged with 5 teams that are only worth $5M, everyone gets about $9M.

Sorry if that's too much actual logic and real math for you, but your 12-15-18M numbers have always been ridiculous and completely without merit. If we can swing a massively successful negotiation with a massively stupid network exec, we might be able to get to 12. Far more likely we're at 8-10. Maybe we can get some streaming milestones like what was supposedly in the Pac-12 Apple deal, but those aren't going to get us anywhere near 15-18.

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'Upset"?

What you are doing is called projection. I'm not "upset". I just think you are an idiot and a troll. One could argue that I'm wasting my time posting objective thoughts to a fool and a troll though.
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It just dawned on me about hard core bitching

Isnt this awesome to be bitching as we're probably going to be winning 10, 11, 12 games this year vs. the years of why the coach should be fired for losing to a sh*t squad... how the refs f'ed us against spoiled brats... what bowl games we won't be watching...

Myself included...

Wtf are we doing and can anyone name the last time we had positive posts for 3 or 4 days in a row?

Part of the issue is the way that the team is playing. If we were dominating our games against bad competition and not giving up 500 yards per game to anyone with a heartbeat....I think you'd see more optimism and happiness.

The fact that we needed late breaks to beat UW, San Jose State, Fresno State and SDSU combined with giving up a bullshit touchdown late against Utah State puts most fans in a position where we are waiting for the other shoe to drop rather than being excited about each game. We had close games in other good seasons like 2018...but they were against teams that were generally pretty good.

This team is winning games and we'll look back on this season fondly, but it's hard to be too excited about the negative plays that we've seen that have made games more stressful than they should have been. If we were to win the next three games by 14+ points and we don't have a game where we are coming from behind in the fourth quarter...you'll see more excitement and optimism.

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While I do think we can win out the regular season, I think our ultimate bowl matchup may make that a challenge to win. If we win out and continue to creep up, those on the bubble, BSU, Miami, TAMU, etc., will be difficult matchups. They will be at least as tough as BSU. Of course, that all depends on the opt outs (us and them).

I see us finishing 11-2.
You might be right.

If the Cougars finish 11-2, it’s unlikely, IMO, we will reach the highest CFP ranking ever.

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FWIW, if we finish #10 in the AP Poll.....that would elevate this team into the discussion for being in the Top 10 seasons all time. As mentioned above, with all of our challenges, this is a season to celebrate even if it isn't "the greatest eva!".

As far as your pure bullshit commentary on the highest CFP ranking ever.....are you saying that the 100+ years of football prior to the CFP are meaningless? In your shortsighted world view, the fact that WSU was #3 in the country in 2002 heading into the Apple Cup doesn't matter. Our #6 ranking in 2003 before our loss to USC didn't happen. Our #8 ranking in 1997 before the Rose Bowl (and our win over eventual #5 UCLA) doesn't count. Our high point ranking of #9 before the 2001 Apple Cup was irrelevant. Your recency bias makes you post idiotic statements about this current team that just don't make sense.

I am enjoying our success and I love the fact that there aren't any mutts trolling around here talking about their greatness, but the simple fact is that you're a moron if you think that this team is in the discussion for best team ever. And frankly, "College football" is saying that WSU isn't a great team. We are the lowest ranked 8-1 team from anything resembling a power conference and in the eyes of "College football", this team isn't as good as six other teams with two losses. It will take a miracle for us to finish ranked in the Top 10 at the end of this season.

It doesn't mean that this isn't a "good" team, it just means that we aren't a great team and we are doing nothing more than making the best of a bad situation. HTH.
You get upset every time objectivity collides with your emotion. Ever notice that?

8-1

Is SoR the same as SoS?

According to ESPN, "Strength of Record" reflects the chance that an average Top 25 team would have that team's record or better, given the schedule. According to ESPN, the Cougs have the following rankings:

FPI: #53
SOR: #21
SOS: #102
Game Control: #44

So, we've done pretty well in winning games against our crap schedule, but we are barely above average when it comes to controlling the games and we are right in the middle of FBS in terms of how we would perform on a neutral field against all of FBS.

Sounds about right.

FWIW, our remaining strength of schedule is #114. The lowest Power 4 team above us is Florida State at #91

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While I do think we can win out the regular season, I think our ultimate bowl matchup may make that a challenge to win. If we win out and continue to creep up, those on the bubble, BSU, Miami, TAMU, etc., will be difficult matchups. They will be at least as tough as BSU. Of course, that all depends on the opt outs (us and them).

I see us finishing 11-2.

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I’ll side with College football >>> jilted fan feelings. You do you.

WSU is ranked # 18 and is currently on track for its best finish ever in CFP voting as long as this winning trend continues.

Simple fact.

FWIW, if we finish #10 in the AP Poll.....that would elevate this team into the discussion for being in the Top 10 seasons all time. As mentioned above, with all of our challenges, this is a season to celebrate even if it isn't "the greatest eva!".

As far as your pure bullshit commentary on the highest CFP ranking ever.....are you saying that the 100+ years of football prior to the CFP are meaningless? In your shortsighted world view, the fact that WSU was #3 in the country in 2002 heading into the Apple Cup doesn't matter. Our #6 ranking in 2003 before our loss to USC didn't happen. Our #8 ranking in 1997 before the Rose Bowl (and our win over eventual #5 UCLA) doesn't count. Our high point ranking of #9 before the 2001 Apple Cup was irrelevant. Your recency bias makes you post idiotic statements about this current team that just don't make sense.

I am enjoying our success and I love the fact that there aren't any mutts trolling around here talking about their greatness, but the simple fact is that you're a moron if you think that this team is in the discussion for best team ever. And frankly, "College football" is saying that WSU isn't a great team. We are the lowest ranked 8-1 team from anything resembling a power conference and in the eyes of "College football", this team isn't as good as six other teams with two losses. It will take a miracle for us to finish ranked in the Top 10 at the end of this season.

It doesn't mean that this isn't a "good" team, it just means that we aren't a great team and we are doing nothing more than making the best of a bad situation. HTH.

It just dawned on me about hard core bitching

Isnt this awesome to be bitching as we're probably going to be winning 10, 11, 12 games this year vs. the years of why the coach should be fired for losing to a sh*t squad... how the refs f'ed us against spoiled brats... what bowl games we won't be watching...

Myself included...

Wtf are we doing and can anyone name the last time we had positive posts for 3 or 4 days in a row?

Alleged upcoming media deal for 2026...

You don't want to know.

MI, the MWC, before BSU, etc, went to PAC 12, was, is getting about 4 mil per team, per year. And then they the MWC was also going to get 8 to 10 mil per team per year. This was with BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, CSU, Utah St, Airforce, SJSU, Wyoming, Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, THE BOTTOM DWELLERS OF THE MWC.

For ESPN, FOX to say that BSU, Memphis, Tulane, Fresno St, SDSU, USF, UTSA, Gonzaga, WSU, CSU, OSU, Utah St, no BOTTOM DWELLERS LIKE NEW MEXICO, NEVADA, HAWAI, SJSU, WYOMING, ETC, is EQUAL TO THE BSU MWC WITH BOTTOM DWELLERS, and also only worth 8 to 10 mil per team, per year, is ILLOGICAL HORSESHIT, since BSU, MEMPHIS, FRESNO ST, SDSU, GONZAGA, TULANE, USF, UTSA, WSU, OSU, CSU, UTAH ST, ARE CLEARLY A HELL LOT BETTER THEN BSU MWC, WITH BOTTOM DWELLERS LIKE HAWAI, ETC, COMPETITION WISE, BRAND NAME WISE, TV WISE, ETC.

IF MR SPOCK WERE IN CHARGE OF THE MEDIA DEAL, HE WOULD OFFER THE BSU PAC 12, 12,13,14,15,16,17,18 mil per team, per year, and would offer the BSU MWC with Hawai, about 7 to 10 mil per team, per year.

No way in FCKING HELL is BSU, Memphis, Fresno St, SDSU, Gonzaga, Tulane, USF, UTSA, WSU, OSU, CSU, Utah St, only worth 8 to 10 mil, just like the BSU MWC, with Hawai.

That's why ESPN's, FOX'S exclusive media deal offers are only 8 to 10 mil per team, per year, and don't include Gonzaga, Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA.

PAC 12, Octagon, would have to be ILLOGICAL MORONS to do a 8 to 10 mil per team, per year deal with ESPN or FOX, instead of doing a 12,13,14,15,16,17,18 mil per team per year PIECEMEAL, COMBINED DEAL with CW, TNT, Prime Video, CBS, Apple, NBC, ABC, Netflix, Hulu, stream, TV, PAC 12 enterprises production studio.

ESPN, FOX wants to RIP OFF, LOWBALL, the PAC 12, and does not want to include Gonzaga, Memphis, ETC, and does not want PAC 12 to recover, get a 12 to 15 to 18 mil per team, per year media deal, and wants to kill the PAC 12 permanently, so that the PAC 12 NEVER, EVER challenges Big 10, SEC, their CASH COWS, FAR OFF INTO THE FAR OFF FUTURE.

The PAC 12 is NOT only worth 8 to 10 mil, Spock, Data would say that is ILLOGICAL, DOES NOT COMPUTE, THAT the PAC 12 would only be worth 8 to 10 mil.

The PAC 12 logically, computedly is worth about 12 to 15 to 18 mil per team, per year, for Gonzaga, Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, PAC 12, etc, since that was, is way the hell better competition, brand, name, TV, etc, wise then the BSU, Hawai, MWC, that worth 8 to 10 mil per team, per year.
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