Meister_Rebel said:

Outside Date. For purposes of this Agreement, the “Outside Date” shall be August 1, 2025.

I interpret that to mean that the 1st year scheduling agreement will expire August 1, 2025. As it should because you've paid for a full season of football. And, it protects the MWC up to that date incase we need to apply those dreaded termination fees should the Pac2 decide to poach.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, if MWC and Pac-12 mutually agree in a signed writing on or prior to September 1, 2024, the “Outside Date” may be extended to August 1, 2026.

My interpretation on this is that this new "Outside Date" is the end of the 2nd year (08/01/26). And, this only applies if you've agreed to participate in a second year by signing on or prior to Sept. 1st of this year.

So, I see it that you have to sign or NOT on or prior to Sept. 1st 2024 for the 2nd year.

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That's my read. We have 3 months from today to decide if we're going to play an MWC schedule in 2025.

cr8zyncalif said:

From what we can see now, I think you are 100% right. Defenses will have to cover him, because I bet he runs 10-15% of the time. That is enough to cripple a D if they leave him uncovered.

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As much stuff as I rag on Biggs for, I 100% agree with his take on how WSU should utilize the position. We are already outmanned against bigger programs, if your QB is a legit running threat you are foolish not to make that an integral part of your offense. Defending that is like playing against a 12 man offense. Opens throwing lanes up for receivers, makes defenders slower to crash running lanes on backs, and makes blocking so much easier for OLinemen, something that we need badly.

Loyal Coug1 said:

And I thought my purple haired troll was pretty cute. I had one similar to that when I was like 5 years old. Reminds me of the maturity of this thread.

I for one (and I guess the only one), no longer give a shit about the mutts, don't frequent this board to banter with or about mutts, and find it difficult to fathom why any other WSU fan does. But whatever.

Rule # 1 - ignore the troll and it will go away. But if you prefer that this one becomes a fixture on our WSU board, hey have at it.

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I’ll ignore someone who has a reasonable argument. “My purple and gold Starter jacket from 1991 still fits” doesn’t count.

Coug90 said:

I don’t think Mateer is going to be run first, but he’s not going to hesitate to tuck it and go when nothing is there unlike Cam. He’s going to present that challenge where he’s basically an extra guy on the field, and defenses will use an extra coverage guy to spy him or they will get burned.

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From what we can see now, I think you are 100% right. Defenses will have to cover him, because I bet he runs 10-15% of the time. That is enough to cripple a D if they leave him uncovered.

Coug90 said:

At this point you’re trolling everyone loyal. Dude came here to talk shit, why’s it so surprising people are going to talk shit back? Especially when his main debating point is…”well we’re UW so….”

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And I thought my purple haired troll was pretty cute. I had one similar to that when I was like 5 years old. Reminds me of the maturity of this thread.

I for one (and I guess the only one), no longer give a shit about the mutts, don't frequent this board to banter with or about mutts, and find it difficult to fathom why any other WSU fan does. But whatever.

Rule # 1 - ignore the troll and it will go away. But if you prefer that this one becomes a fixture on our WSU board, hey have at it.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Obligatory.....

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At this point you’re trolling everyone loyal. Dude came here to talk shit, why’s it so surprising people are going to talk shit back? Especially when his main debating point is…”well we’re UW so….”

Coug1990 said:

Here is an interesting analytics article that also has a Coug focus.

Imagine a high-level analytics ninja who learned his data science refining risk metrics and variables for insurance companies with billions of dollars on the line becoming a diehard basketball fan and beginning to chase that powerful, palpable, but elusive thing that every player, fan, and coach has sensed and loved when watching great teams play — chemistry.

Can a coach measure chemistry? It used to be a thing coaches worked to develop over years as different recruiting classes grew up together. But in the age of NIL deals and constant roster musical chairs (thanks to the transfer portal), that process has to accelerate or die. Could a coach select for maximum chemistry within a new roster?

“Absolutely, yes,” Jack said. “That’s what I chase.”

Washington State basketball’s 'Moneyball' moment | Blaze Media

The setting was a November home basketball game for the Washington State Cougars in Pullman, Washington. Warm-ups were over, the Stars and Stripes had been formally acknowledged, and starters had been introduced. My teenage son and I took our seats along the sideline, feet happily on the...

www.theblaze.com

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Read this. Nice find.

Flatlandcoug said:

The argument on this board is that you are a shithead for coming over to puff out your chest because UW has been allowed to be a discount bin program for the B1G and WSU wasn't.

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Flatlandcoug said:

The argument on this board is that you are a shithead for coming over to puff out your chest because UW has been allowed to be a discount bin program for the B1G and WSU wasn't.

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Meister_Rebel said:

Outside Date. For purposes of this Agreement, the “Outside Date” shall be August 1, 2025.

I interpret that to mean that the 1st year scheduling agreement will expire August 1, 2025. As it should because you've paid for a full season of football. And, it protects the MWC up to that date incase we need to apply those dreaded termination fees should the Pac2 decide to poach.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, if MWC and Pac-12 mutually agree in a signed writing on or prior to September 1, 2024, the “Outside Date” may be extended to August 1, 2026.

My interpretation on this is that this new "Outside Date" is the end of the 2nd year (08/01/26). And, this only applies if you've agreed to participate in a second year by signing on or prior to Sept. 1st of this year.

So, I see it that you have to sign or NOT on or prior to Sept. 1st 2024 for the 2nd year.

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Maybe so. Perhaps our resident attorney(s) will get bored and try to dissect this thing. if you are correct, that damn Gloria really put the screws to the Pac-2. Damn her all to hell. In any event, no doubt the powers that be have this interpreted.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Damn - didn't realize it was that soon.....

Edit - I'm not so sure about that Sept 1 2024 date. See below (from page 8 of the agreement), and link to the whole thing below that.

ARTICLE IV.TERM; TERMINATIONSection 4.01
Term
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Initial Term. The term of this Agreement shall commence upon the Effective Date and end on the earlier to occur of (i) the Outside Date, (ii) the termination of this Agreement pursuant to Section 4.02 or (iii) the mutual written agreement of the Parties to terminate this Agreement in its entirety (as applicable, the “Term”); provided, however, that all payment obligations of the Pac-12 Parties under this Agreement shall survive any such termination of this Agreement until satisfied in full but (A) in no event will a Participation Fee for an Event occurring after such termination be due if such termination occurs pursuant to Section 4.02(b)(i) or Section4.02(c) and (B) if such termination occurs pursuant to Section 4.02(b)(ii) then Participation Fees for an Event occurring after such termination may be an appropriate measure of damages but are not guaranteed as liquidated damages.(b)

Outside Date. For purposes of this Agreement, the “Outside Date” shall be August 1, 2025. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if MWC and Pac-12 mutually agree in a signed writing on or prior to September 1, 2024, the “Outside Date” may be extended to August 1, 2026

https://www.scribd.com/document/698003223/Pac-12-Mountain-West-scheduling-agreement#from_embed

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Outside Date. For purposes of this Agreement, the “Outside Date” shall be August 1, 2025.

I interpret that to mean that the 1st year scheduling agreement will expire August 1, 2025. As it should because you've paid for a full season of football. And, it protects the MWC up to that date incase we need to apply those dreaded termination fees should the Pac2 decide to poach.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, if MWC and Pac-12 mutually agree in a signed writing on or prior to September 1, 2024, the “Outside Date” may be extended to August 1, 2026.

My interpretation on this is that this new "Outside Date" is the end of the 2nd year (08/01/26). And, this only applies if you've agreed to participate in a second year by signing on or prior to Sept. 1st of this year.

So, I see it that you have to sign or NOT on or prior to Sept. 1st 2024 for the 2nd year.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Damn - didn't realize it was that soon.....

Edit - I'm not so sure about that Sept 1 2024 date. See below (from page 8 of the agreement), and link to the whole thing below that.

ARTICLE IV.TERM; TERMINATIONSection 4.01
Term
.(a)

Initial Term. The term of this Agreement shall commence upon the Effective Date and end on the earlier to occur of (i) the Outside Date, (ii) the termination of this Agreement pursuant to Section 4.02 or (iii) the mutual written agreement of the Parties to terminate this Agreement in its entirety (as applicable, the “Term”); provided, however, that all payment obligations of the Pac-12 Parties under this Agreement shall survive any such termination of this Agreement until satisfied in full but (A) in no event will a Participation Fee for an Event occurring after such termination be due if such termination occurs pursuant to Section 4.02(b)(i) or Section4.02(c) and (B) if such termination occurs pursuant to Section 4.02(b)(ii) then Participation Fees for an Event occurring after such termination may be an appropriate measure of damages but are not guaranteed as liquidated damages.(b)

Outside Date. For purposes of this Agreement, the “Outside Date” shall be August 1, 2025. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if MWC and Pac-12 mutually agree in a signed writing on or prior to September 1, 2024, the “Outside Date” may be extended to August 1, 2026

https://www.scribd.com/document/698003223/Pac-12-Mountain-West-scheduling-agreement#from_embed

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So, the term is one year unless the parties agree in writing to extend for an additional year.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Damn - didn't realize it was that soon.....

Edit - I'm not so sure about that Sept 1 2024 date. See below (from page 8 of the agreement), and link to the whole thing below that.

ARTICLE IV.TERM; TERMINATIONSection 4.01
Term
.(a)

Initial Term. The term of this Agreement shall commence upon the Effective Date and end on the earlier to occur of (i) the Outside Date, (ii) the termination of this Agreement pursuant to Section 4.02 or (iii) the mutual written agreement of the Parties to terminate this Agreement in its entirety (as applicable, the “Term”); provided, however, that all payment obligations of the Pac-12 Parties under this Agreement shall survive any such termination of this Agreement until satisfied in full but (A) in no event will a Participation Fee for an Event occurring after such termination be due if such termination occurs pursuant to Section 4.02(b)(i) or Section4.02(c) and (B) if such termination occurs pursuant to Section 4.02(b)(ii) then Participation Fees for an Event occurring after such termination may be an appropriate measure of damages but are not guaranteed as liquidated damages.(b)

Outside Date. For purposes of this Agreement, the “Outside Date” shall be August 1, 2025. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if MWC and Pac-12 mutually agree in a signed writing on or prior to September 1, 2024, the “Outside Date” may be extended to August 1, 2026

https://www.scribd.com/document/698003223/Pac-12-Mountain-West-scheduling-agreement#from_embed

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What this tells me is that the Pac-2 will have 27 days to create an arrangement. The Pac-12 deal ends on August 4, I believe. If WSU/OSU make any announcement that looks like "leaving the conference" before that date, the 10 traitors can come back with claims on the residuals. SO, we've got from August 4-31 to come to an agreement on something better than the MWC scheduling alignment.

All the talk about ACC west is pipe dreams. The strong odds say that it's only a matter of time until FSU and Clemson leave. Miami will be right behind them. Without those 3, the ACC has virtually no football value. It's a bunch of basketball schools that needed something to do in the fall. They might, in their desperation, try to create some sort of east-west alignment in order to survive, but the media value of that conference is unlikely to be worthwhile.

Meister_Rebel said:

Sept. 1st is an important date. That is when the Pac2 have to decide on the second year of the Scheduling Agreement and you have to pay us another $12 million dollars. We appreciate your money.

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Damn - didn't realize it was that soon.....

Edit - I'm not so sure about that Sept 1 2024 date. See below (from page 8 of the agreement), and link to the whole thing below that.

ARTICLE IV.TERM; TERMINATIONSection 4.01
Term
.(a)

Initial Term. The term of this Agreement shall commence upon the Effective Date and end on the earlier to occur of (i) the Outside Date, (ii) the termination of this Agreement pursuant to Section 4.02 or (iii) the mutual written agreement of the Parties to terminate this Agreement in its entirety (as applicable, the “Term”); provided, however, that all payment obligations of the Pac-12 Parties under this Agreement shall survive any such termination of this Agreement until satisfied in full but (A) in no event will a Participation Fee for an Event occurring after such termination be due if such termination occurs pursuant to Section 4.02(b)(i) or Section4.02(c) and (B) if such termination occurs pursuant to Section 4.02(b)(ii) then Participation Fees for an Event occurring after such termination may be an appropriate measure of damages but are not guaranteed as liquidated damages.(b)

Outside Date. For purposes of this Agreement, the “Outside Date” shall be August 1, 2025. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if MWC and Pac-12 mutually agree in a signed writing on or prior to September 1, 2024, the “Outside Date” may be extended to August 1, 2026

https://www.scribd.com/document/698003223/Pac-12-Mountain-West-scheduling-agreement#from_embed

Loyal Coug1 said:

Yeah, I shake my head at some of these. From $4M payouts to play in Yankee Stadium in winter to $22K to go to the Bahamas.

2024's post-season will be a strange one.

Stepping back a little from my MW reverse merger fixation, I would at least hope that we are talking and drawing up the possibilities. so we are ready if the time comes for whatever. Not just with the MW, but with the bowls, the ACC (barf). I see Jan 1 as a pretty important date. Recall that FUSC and FUCLA gave 2-year notices when they backstabbed us.

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Sept. 1st is an important date. That is when the Pac2 have to decide on the second year of the Scheduling Agreement and you have to pay us another $12 million dollars. We appreciate your money.

dgibbons said:

With the expansion of the playoff, the bowls are losing even more stature. Preserving bowls is like preserving a berth in the NIT. There were 43 bowl games in 2023. They don't seem to be going away.

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Yeah, I shake my head at some of these. From $4M payouts to play in Yankee Stadium in winter to $22K to go to the Bahamas.

2024's post-season will be a strange one.

Stepping back a little from my MW reverse merger fixation, I would at least hope that we are talking and drawing up the possibilities. so we are ready if the time comes for whatever. Not just with the MW, but with the bowls, the ACC (barf). I see Jan 1 as a pretty important date. Recall that FUSC and FUCLA gave 2-year notices when they backstabbed us.

Flatlandcoug said:

The argument on this board is that you are a shithead for coming over to puff out your chest because UW has been allowed to be a discount bin program for the B1G and WSU wasn't.

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Bingo. Shmedium shirt guy who is like 30% body fat.

Loyal Coug1 said:

I did have to look false dichotomy up. A bit of a blow to my all-knowing stature. I'll give you that one grudgingly. In 2023, 30 bowls had smaller (most of them much smaller) payouts than the Holiday Bowl. But no matter. It is a bowl that would be nice to keep in the Pac (not much chance but not zero IMHO).

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With the expansion of the playoff, the bowls are losing even more stature. Preserving bowls is like preserving a berth in the NIT. There were 43 bowl games in 2023. They don't seem to be going away.

ttowncoug said:

The Beavs and Cougs will hold tight for a few months, maybe all the way through the end of the year. Then we will start hearing rumors of "Pac-12 expansion" when the Beavs/Cougs have a better sense of the ACC situation (which is frankly the other realistic option in the near term).

If we do expand, I don't see a scenario where any of the current Big-12 schools crawl back to the new look Pac-12...like ever.

The only scenario in the future would be the Big-12 adding WSU or OSU (unlikely) or the ACC west idea taking shape at a later date.

The biggest homerun at this point is the ACC-west. Doesn't' mean it will happen, but that is the best play. WSU/OSU are the two best properties out there and if the ACC loses members, we are in a good position to get scooped up.

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One question about the ACC-West. Does anyone know if Stanford and Cal really want to be in a conference with WSU or OSU? We all heard that Arizona in particular hated our guts. Curious to know if there are any rumors about Stanford and Cal.

I will say that I question the value of an ACC-West division regardless. The ACC right now is a 2nd tier conference in the football world with Clemson and FSU in their ranks. If they leave, what real value does a watered down ACC have? It's probably still our best option but if their value drops by 40% when those schools leave, it's very possible that an updated MWC agreement will be closer to equitable than it looks now.

BowDown253 said:

I haven't seen a single person say they are going to be a "juggernaut" in the B1G or anything remotely close to that. The argument of this board is that they will be complete shit which I find hilarious.

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The argument on this board is that you are a shithead for coming over to puff out your chest because UW has been allowed to be a discount bin program for the B1G and WSU wasn't.

BowDown253 said:

Comparing our football programs is laughable. WSU natty? LMFAO. You have won 10 games or more 5 times in your entire 106 year history - we've done it 5 times in the last 8 years. Even in your best season in a generation your savior qb was left in tears because of UW.

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You completely missed the point. None of us is saying, none of has said WSU is a elite program, or saying it's better then UW, etc.

The point was to show, that whether your UW, or WSU or whoever, whatever that winning, going to, etc, a couple, few, handful of championships, playoffs, great years, however, whatever way you want to define it, in a 100 year time frame, does not make you elite, etc.

Your couple, few, handful, are spread out, outliers, not the norm, etc. Most of the time your a above average, semi good, decent, ok, semi mediocre, 7-4 a season program. 7-4 while good, semi good, ok, etc, is not fantastic, awesome, elite, etc.

Your a 7-4 a season team, with the occasional outlier bad years, and the occasional outlier great season, playoff, championship, etc. You having the occasional bad year does not make you a bad team, and you having the occasional great year does not make you a great team.

Your a 7-4 a season team about to go against a league, conference full of teams that regularly go either 12-0, 11-1, 10-2, 9-3, 8-4, vs your 7-4.

And your going against a conference where your the 8,9,10 best team in a conference of about 16 to 18 teams.

Your going against a conference where 11-1 EVERY SEASON NEBRASKA got clobbered in the Big 10.

LOGIC says that your only going to win 5,6,7 games a season on average in the Big 10 and be middle of the Big 10 at average.

Your delusional if you think UW will do well, win 7,8,9 games a season, be in top 2,3,4,5 teams in Big 10, etc.

But if you want to be delusional, then go ahead, you'll find out soon enough.

Any time they happen to find success, UW will lose its coach to a competitor

BowDown253 said:

I haven't seen a single person say they are going to be a "juggernaut" in the B1G or anything remotely close to that. The argument of this board is that they will be complete shit which I find hilarious.

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I guess you’d have to define complete shit. You can find it as hilarious as you want, IMO they were complete shit from 2002-2015. A return to that wouldn’t be surprising considering what they are up against. Are they going to go 0-12 again, not likely. Will they have a couple of losing seasons and a handful of .500 seasons with an 8 or 9 win season sprinkled in. Likely. Think that’s what folks here expect and that’s probably what we see happen.

95coug said:

Possible I'm reading too much into this, but on the WSU Presidential search FAQ page, there's a question asking what Schulz will be focused on during his last year. There are 4 items. The 4th one is:

Stabilizing Athletics: Ensuring WSU student-athletes play competitively on the West Coast securing our place in an ever-changing athletic environment. (my emphasis)

The literal read of this - and again, maybe I shouldn't take it so literally - is that we wouldn't be interested in an ACC option, and probably not even a Big 12 one. Unless someone puts together enough western teams to form a west coast division (which would look pretty similar to the Pac-10/12), I think this suggests we're looking MWC.

Well, this, and basically every bit of sensible analysis of anything that appears remotely likely.

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I'll have to check that page out. I see it as referring to the affiliation agreements, which will run at least through his term even if we opt out of one or both. Those are indeed West Coast based (well Colorado, AF and Wyoming might get their maps out!). So he can cross that off as succeeded I guess, assuming that we can play competitively.

ttowncoug said:

The Beavs and Cougs will hold tight for a few months, maybe all the way through the end of the year. Then we will start hearing rumors of "Pac-12 expansion" when the Beavs/Cougs have a better sense of the ACC situation (which is frankly the other realistic option in the near term).

If we do expand, I don't see a scenario where any of the current Big-12 schools crawl back to the new look Pac-12...like ever.

The only scenario in the future would be the Big-12 adding WSU or OSU (unlikely) or the ACC west idea taking shape at a later date.

The biggest homerun at this point is the ACC-west. Doesn't' mean it will happen, but that is the best play. WSU/OSU are the two best properties out there and if the ACC loses members, we are in a good position to get scooped up.

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Ok. I don't share your opinion of the "ACC West" being feasible or desirable, but OK, it is an option.