jourdand said:

Is it just me or does this seem like a weak class? Glass and Morton appear solid but after that there are some potential diamonds but no real proven players. I don’t really have my WCC legs under me let, maybe this is a good class for the WCC?

Taking a look at the class Tinkle put together for OSU I would definitely trade straight across.

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The class is semi underrated for the WCC(A conference that is weaker, lower level, except for the top 4,5 colleges(Gonzaga, St Mary, San Fran, Santa Clara, either of WSU, or Ore St.

The guards are great, awesome in Glass, Morton, Madzou.

The Bigs are semi projects, under the radar, diamonds in the rough, etc.

2 of the bigs were on NCAA tournament teams STACKED with awesome talent, so that even if the player is GOOD, GREAT, etc, they still buried on the depth chart behind all the WONDERFUL, AWESOME, FANTASTIC, ETC, players, and thus only get 5 to 7 to 10 to 13 minutes per game and crap stats like 4 ppg, 3.5 rebounds per game, etc.

Because of that its hard to know how good, awesome, bad, etc, the BIGS are, will be.

Also the 6-8.5 244 pound big was INJURED A LOT, OUT FOR LOTS OF THE SEASON, in addition to being a 3.5 star, that on a NCAA tournament team, that BURIED behind all the other PROS.

That's a decent class for WSU, given, considering that almost all 14 players left, and given the struggles WSU, PAC 2, PAC 12 have had recently, lack of stability, and that its the WEAKER, LOWER LEVEL WCC competition level.

This kind of class is about on PAR for the WCC. Compare the recruiting classes for any, every WCC team that is NOT Gonzaga, St Mary, San Fran, Santa Clara, Ore St, and on average its about comparable to this WSU class.

So while this class is not super awesome, wonderful, fantastic, etc, on paper, it is semi underrated, and about comparable to WCC classes and better then some here think.

The class and WSU team is good enough for about 15,16,17,18,19,20,21 wins, and about 500 in conference, about 6th in conference, and 1,2 wins in WCC tournament, and either Crown, NIT, CBI, CIT, etc.

Given, considering WSU's situation, instability, roster turnover, etc, that's pretty ok, decent, etc, given that.

UberCougars said:

Big-12 share is worth $42 million to the fmr PAC members.

I don’t think adding Texas State to the TV package is going to get us close to that.

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Sure it will. We just have to add Alabama, Michigan, and Notre dame along with Texas state.

Big-12 share is worth $42 million to the fmr PAC members.

I don’t think adding Texas State to the TV package is going to get us close to that.

Coug90 said:

No kidding…so some schmuck that had a 61% winning percentage at Notre Dame is eligible for the HOF where a guy who took over outgunned and abysmal programs at Tech and WSU and won 59.5% of his games isn’t? Somehow this is still only about the 47th stupidest thing about the NCAA these days.

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What Leach did at WSU taking over after Paul Wulff was exceptional, but TT was not abysmal prior to Leach. Spike Dykes coached them for 13 years, 5 straight winning seasons, 7 straight seasons with 6 wins or more to close out his tenure. He got pushed out for the same reason TT pushed Leach out -- They won but not enough to satisfy alums.

95coug said:

Eggs are expensive.

I'm curious how we're spending $200K less on travel this year. Also not sure why they expect to get an extra $1M in ticket sales and sports passes, $1.5M in donations, and a 75% increase in concessions revenues. Looks to me like someone's making up numbers to avoid telling the truth.

Also very curious what the other numbers the Regents looked at today are like. I mean the budget for the rest of the university. The number that came from the state didn't look great, I'm curious how the Regents are going to carve it up, what their cuts are going to be and what kind of people are getting let go.

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Where are the player salaries in the ledger?

BleedCrimsonandGray said:

Also - $300k in additional student meal expense? I'd love to know more about that line item.

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Eggs are expensive.

I'm curious how we're spending $200K less on travel this year. Also not sure why they expect to get an extra $1M in ticket sales and sports passes, $1.5M in donations, and a 75% increase in concessions revenues. Looks to me like someone's making up numbers to avoid telling the truth.

Also very curious what the other numbers the Regents looked at today are like. I mean the budget for the rest of the university. The number that came from the state didn't look great, I'm curious how the Regents are going to carve it up, what their cuts are going to be and what kind of people are getting let go.

BleedCrimsonandGray said:

• Revenue for the Apple Cup returning to Pullman is not estimated, last year's game at Lumen Field brought in $1.7 million

That is from the article. Curious if $1.7M is revenue to the school minus the cost/ priveledge of being at Lumen field, or if that was the total take from the game? Because there is no way anyone could have expected WSU to pocket $4M from the Apple Cup - has it ever happened previously? That number seems obscene.

Also - $300k in additional student meal expense? I'd love to know more about that line item.

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Probably just Athletics' share of cost increase from Housing and Dining.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Some actual numbers are out from Athletics (Brand X article below). Couple of items of note:

• 2024 Apple Cup revenue was $1.7M, not the $4M that had been thrown around last Fall. Big surprise!
• Pac-2 distributions - $37M+ for both years. A bit more than the $30M that I thought was FY 25's budget amount. So double that to include OSU, and that is $150M for the pair. Count the $10-oddM each for FY24, and there goes $170M of our windfall. Throw in the poaching fees and we are up to $225M. Bye war chest!
• Other than Apple Cup, I don't see Media/TV revenue in either year. I thought we had figured about $6M for FY 26?
• No apparent amount for athlete revenue sharing which starts the Fall?

Be interested in seeing how this all stacks up against OSU and the 5 Traitors....

WSU athletics budget will remain unchanged in coming fiscal year

Board of Regents today expected to approve $74 million WSU sports budget for fiscal year beginning July 1

247sports.com

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• Revenue for the Apple Cup returning to Pullman is not estimated, last year's game at Lumen Field brought in $1.7 million

That is from the article. Curious if $1.7M is revenue to the school minus the cost/ priveledge of being at Lumen field, or if that was the total take from the game? Because there is no way anyone could have expected WSU to pocket $4M from the Apple Cup - has it ever happened previously? That number seems obscene.

Also - $300k in additional student meal expense? I'd love to know more about that line item.

Tales from the front: Never let the sales guys make revenue projections.

If you do, cut it in half. Then cut it in half again.

It isn't just you.

Coug90 said:

Bring the receipts!

Flat and I’m sure others are sick of threads getting overrun with nonsense. I’m taking it upon myself to make a special thread where gibbons can continue his tantrum and Uber can…well do what Uber does. Copy and paste away fellas!

washingtonstate.forums.rivals.com

Or ya know, feel free to keep being an asshole to everyone else 🤷

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Feel free to bring the receipts, quit posting, or admit you're a congenital liar.

95coug said:

The big hole in the logic about any move with Gonzaga is that competitiveness really doesn’t matter anymore. Sure, it’s great if you can put up a fight, but the real driving factor is market and potential market. The Big 12 expansion gave them Houston, Phoenix, Orlando, Cincinnati, and Salt Lake City (plus the Mormons). Gonzaga gives them…Spokane, and an unmeasurable number of people outside of that market who are probably basketball fans, not Gonzaga fans, and will jump off the GU bandwagon when they lose 8 games.

WSU has the same issue. Our measurable market doesn’t reach outside Spokane. Sure, there’s some interest from other regions, but it’s not reliable unless we’re in the second half of a pretty good season, and its growth potential isn’t tied to WSU. Too many of the fans who will watch a good WSU team will be watching no matter who is playing.

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Gonzaga definitely has the “extending a player for what they DID vs what they are going to do”. I agree, there’s no guarantee Gonzaga maintains their pace, a couple of mediocre seasons w/Few leaving and it could be over quickly. At present they are a national brand in basketball though. And they play and compete with the other blue bloods on Non Conf play.

Is it just me or does this seem like a weak class? Glass and Morton appear solid but after that there are some potential diamonds but no real proven players. I don’t really have my WCC legs under me let, maybe this is a good class for the WCC?

Taking a look at the class Tinkle put together for OSU I would definitely trade straight across.

dgibbons said:

Don't make excuses. You're a congenital liar.

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Or ya know, feel free to keep being an asshole to everyone else 🤷

At this point, we are literally in June, I see nothing but Texas State in the Pac-12 unless, the Pac-12 and MWC settle their quarrels and are going to pull together something meaningful and strategic that allows UNLV to join.

Coug90 said:

Oregon DB tackling our receiver with ball midflight on our final drive.

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Or the Oregon receiver catching a screen pass 7 yards past the line of scrimmage on a screen play.

I'm sure we could fill pages and pages of examples of very bad calls.

Coug90 said:

I make another thread that you guys can whine on and you still post here…after you posted there. 🤦🏼

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Don't make excuses. You're a congenital liar.

The big hole in the logic about any move with Gonzaga is that competitiveness really doesn’t matter anymore. Sure, it’s great if you can put up a fight, but the real driving factor is market and potential market. The Big 12 expansion gave them Houston, Phoenix, Orlando, Cincinnati, and Salt Lake City (plus the Mormons). Gonzaga gives them…Spokane, and an unmeasurable number of people outside of that market who are probably basketball fans, not Gonzaga fans, and will jump off the GU bandwagon when they lose 8 games.

WSU has the same issue. Our measurable market doesn’t reach outside Spokane. Sure, there’s some interest from other regions, but it’s not reliable unless we’re in the second half of a pretty good season, and its growth potential isn’t tied to WSU. Too many of the fans who will watch a good WSU team will be watching no matter who is playing.

Gonzaga holds all the cards in that deal.

SDSU/Gonzaga would be next level for Big 12 basketball. SDSU would get clubbed a bit in football but they'd adjust.

BSU/Gonzaga would be Few and Rice barrel laughing at the lake on how they f'd over WSU while Dan Monson gets them another beer.

The Jesuits are a notoriously sneaky order. Don't put anything past them. See also GU partnering up with UW on Spokane medical school.

If I end up swimming with the fishes in the Spokane River, ^^^^^^ see above.

Observer11 said:

President Cantwell needs to package up WSU/Gonzaga to the Big 12. Get away from this mid-major madness and strategy of hope.

You know the Beavs would ditch WSU in a heartbeat so best watch your flank in Spokane and GU. Boise State could pull the same combo as could SDSU. Any school with solid football/basketball programs will be at play. OSU's basketball program is suck right now but that could change with one portal cycle.

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From ESPN back in 2022:

"The Big 12 targeting Gonzaga as a potential addition to bolster its basketball isn't a surprise, as the conference has been regarded in recent seasons as the top basketball league in the country. The Big 12 boasts the past two men's basketball national champions -- Kansas and Baylor -- and was an overtime loss by Texas Tech in 2019 from having three consecutive NCAA champions.

The addition of Gonzaga to the Big 12 would be a massive shift in the landscape, as it would perpetuate the Big 12's reputation atop the sport. Gonzaga's men's basketball program played in the national title game in 2017 and 2021. Gonzaga has been a No. 1 seed in the NCAA tournament in four of the past five years."

LINK: Sources: Gonzaga in talks with Big 12 about joining conference

OSU athletic director Scott Barnes was born in Spokane (not sure if he attended high school there as well), so it's possible he has some close connections to GU and the "Irish Catholic Mafia"

Would it be shocking if Barnes is covertly working through back channels in trying to couple OSU with GU — while ditching Pac-12 ally WSU — to secure the Beavs a place in the Big 12?

Would the Oregon State president even allow that to happen?

Observer11 said:

President Cantwell needs to package up WSU/Gonzaga to the Big 12. Get away from this mid-major madness and strategy of hope.

You know the Beavs would ditch WSU in a heartbeat so best watch your flank in Spokane and GU. Boise State could pull the same combo as could SDSU. Any school with solid football/basketball programs will be at play. OSU's basketball program is suck right now but that could change with one portal cycle.

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"A man is only as faithful as his options" as the saying goes

Would a Coug-Zag package deal with the Big 12 include all WSU sports and all GU sports?

That'd be a great way to lock down both the Spokane and Seattle/I-5 corridor markets.

Observer11 said:

If the PAC takes NMSU, Tx State or Sac State over UNM or UNLV, somebody needs to lose their job. Las Cruces is roughly the size of Post Falls/Coeur d'Alene. That is beyond negligent.

President Cantwell needs to package up WSU/Gonzaga to the Big 12. Get away from this mid-major madness and strategy of hope.

You know the Beavs would ditch WSU in a heartbeat so best watch your flank in Spokane and GU. Boise State could pull the same combo as could SDSU. Any school with solid football/basketball programs will be at play. OSU's basketball program is suck right now but that could change with one portal cycle.

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If Jensen Huang started caring about Beaver Athletics the Beavs could dominate EVERY NCAA sport in 1 recruiting cycle with the current NIL and transfer portal environment.

If the PAC takes NMSU, Tx State or Sac State over UNM or UNLV, somebody needs to lose their job. Las Cruces is roughly the size of Post Falls/Coeur d'Alene. That is beyond negligent.

President Cantwell needs to package up WSU/Gonzaga to the Big 12. Get away from this mid-major madness and strategy of hope.

You know the Beavs would ditch WSU in a heartbeat so best watch your flank in Spokane and GU. Boise State could pull the same combo as could SDSU. Any school with solid football/basketball programs will be at play. OSU's basketball program is suck right now but that could change with one portal cycle.

Flatlandcoug said:

I can't picture it being NMSU. Sacramento State or Texas State before them.

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New Mex St got a big win over Auburn a couple years ago that was all over ESPN.

Maybe Theresa G thinks they have potential and would come at a discount?