According to the Times Rolo time ain't vaccinated
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Soon after WW1, Lone Star Dietz already in his mid 30s was put on trial in Spokane for "draft dodging" by the Wilson Administration.
Pandemic, commander in chief with diminished mental capacity, lap dog press.
Only problem after he is fired for cause rolo will go after Schultz for damages divulging personal health info. Be better shut up and fire him when he is t vaxed then take chances in court
Good luck. He divulged it to the WSU Faculty Senate. Just like medical professionals can talk about a persons medical history as work product, Shultz is informing other's in WSU administration. That is work product.
Pretty sure he recently said something like he was "going to follow the mandate so he could continue to coach here."
It turns out that it is really hard to identify a religion that opposes the COVID vaccine. Nobody seems able to actually name a formal religion which forbids the vaccine.
If being a jackass counts as a religion, then Rolo is their Pope.
Which religion?
If being a jackass counts as a religion, then Rolo is their Pope.
Which religion?
Andrew Wiggins in the NBA was just denied a religious exemption...not sure it's going to be easy.
"Wiggins will not be able to play in Warriors home games until he fulfills the city's (San Francisco's) vaccination requirements."
I suppose they are playing hardball.
I suppose they are playing hardball.
They’ll be legal threats, but in the end, there will be a buyout settlement and that’ll be that.
Not for you or anyone else to decide what an "actual" religion is, especially not an employer or anyone associated with the government.
No common standard though. Rolo will be evaluated based on WSU’s standard, not on the NBA’s
Maybe that one that is focused on peyote smoking. Might help explain some things like that goal line formation.
Trump said he wanted to appoint Justices like Justice Scalia to the Supreme Court.
This is what Justice Scalia said about religious exemptions to generally applicable laws. "To make such an individual's obligation to obey such a law contingent on the laws coincidence with his religious beliefs...permitting him, by virtue of his beliefs to become a law onto himself contradicts both constitutional tradition and common sense."
if he remains unvaccinated, and gets no exemption they wont have to fire him, he will not be eligible for state employment, suspended without pay. Once he's gone it's more than likely for good
Wow, that is some word salad! The difference here is, we aren't talking about law, we are talking about mandates.
OK. Not sure the point you are making. Shultz didn't go to the press. He discussed the situation with his colleagues, which is something that he can do. Yes, work product has to be produced. But, in this situation, as they are not trying to hide anything, it's irrelevant,
So will the warriors not pay him for home games? We are going to be dealing with some of that where I work.
Does Rolo qualify for a religious exemption? Probably not. It needs to be a sincerely held belief. But that doesn't mean because you can't know for certain what is in a man's mind, that Rolo get's a pass. You have to have walked the walk. People forget that there are existing vaccine mandates. Has Rolo sought religious emptions previously? To work at WSU you must show proof that you have been vaccinated for measles. Did he apply for the exemption previously, and was it approved? If he had, Schultz and the senate wouldn't be addressing it now.
Will Rolo be able to get court help! Probably not. Regardless of what you think of Covid, courts act with a long term view (except when little old ladies are involved, inside joke). A court may think Covid is seriously overblown, but precedence is the predominant legal view point. What happens the next time, when there is a disease that is an existential threat? Are they willing to make law now that seriously hinders governments from acting in a quick and draconian manner to protect society in a full blown national health emergency? Gutting the coercive effect of vaccine mandates by making exemptions obtainable on honor system, would do that. That is highly doubtful.
Will Rolo be able to get court help! Probably not. Regardless of what you think of Covid, courts act with a long term view (except when little old ladies are involved, inside joke). A court may think Covid is seriously overblown, but precedence is the predominant legal view point. What happens the next time, when there is a disease that is an existential threat? Are they willing to make law now that seriously hinders governments from acting in a quick and draconian manner to protect society in a full blown national health emergency? Gutting the coercive effect of vaccine mandates by making exemptions obtainable on honor system, would do that. That is highly doubtful.
We have people citing their strong pro life stance and the loose link to developing the vaccine with aborted fetus tissue from the 70s along with a few bible versus. I’m fairly sure they are just googling what to say to get a religious exemption because of the way it’s written but who are we to deny that as an employer?
Religious exemption is hard to get. I know quite a few state employees who went for that and none have been granted. The state has really stacked the odds against any kind of exemption.
I realize that all this talk about religious exemption is speculation, but I hope Rolo doesn't play that card. Since it appears that no one knows what possible religion he might have, it is something he has never mentioned. In my experience, most truly religious people are open about their beliefs. If he claims he belongs to some strange sect which he is too embarrassed to name, I would lose even more respect for him as a so called "leader" of a program. You can't run a multi-million dollar sports program, which depends on public support, in a public university, and still be entitled to extreme privacy. You give that up when you accept a job of this nature, just as politicians have to open their lives up to public scrutiny as well.
The cell lines used in various phases of the development of the vaccines are standard in pharmaceutical development and testing, and have been used in the development of countless other drugs in daily use.
Then they aren't trying the right one. Maybe Rolo is a member of the Unicult?
TikTok Cult Leader Pivots to Preaching Anti-Vax Conspiracy Theories
Unicult founder Unicole Unicron is also offering followers religious exceptions from the Covid-19 vaccine.
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It wasn't my word salad it was Scalia's. I'm humored that you think a health mandate on state employee's issued by the governor of the state doesn't have the force of law. It does.
My problem is when someone doesn't have a religion until they are trying to use it to avoid something......
I would then think that the state needs to be very careful that every state employee is treated equally. Or they may face a rash of law suits.
Does this sound right to you, DGib? I’m not an attorney so I couldn’t say for sure.
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Your "problem" has nothing to do with the situation. Someone's "religion" should never have to be tested by an employer, bureaucrat or anyone else for that matter, for it is THEIR religion. Once we dive into mandating employers and or bureaucrats testing someone's faith, we are headed down a steep, slippery slope that flies in eh face of a country founded on religious liberty.
I am aware who tossed the salad and I am also aware of your goal by eliciting Trump and Scalia to prove your point, nice try. Employers and bureaucrats testing folks religions is ripe for abuse and is the flat out wrong way to approach this.
From what agencies? Because the guidance was vague, each employer is determining what qualifies. Each agency will have slightly different rules. There is no standard approach, and WSU’s does not require affiliation with an actual recognized religion - just that you articulate a “belief.”
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