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Federal layoff/firings

Since you are relatively fresh meat on this board I’ll save you some trouble. There’s a half dozen or so here who reason and fact don’t resonate with. Trump can do no wrong, anything negative about him, his family, and administration is “fake news”, and ultimately Trump is the chosen one who’s here to fix everything democrats destroyed and welcomes all MAGAs into his open arms where he’s devoting himself to bringing them much fortune and opportunity.

While everything you shared is reasonable and rooted in fact, these folks don’t look at the world through the same lens. With that in mind, save your keystrokes on trying to reason with them. That’s said I should probably follow my own advice…
And there’s that group that’s blue no matter who, Trump is literal Hitler and have seen Joe Biden run circles around his staff with their own eyes.
 
And there’s that group that’s blue no matter who, Trump is literal Hitler and have seen Joe Biden run circles around his staff with their own eyes.
Ehh… Vance is literally courting the modern day Nazi party in Germany:: the AfD. If it talks like a Nazi, walks like a Nazi… you can bury your head in the sand/pretend otherwise but it is what it is.
 
And there’s that group that’s blue no matter who, Trump is literal Hitler and have seen Joe Biden run circles around his staff with their own eyes.
Then there is a small group of dipshits that can't engage in adult conversation and instead rely on senseless one-liners and insults - not to make a point - but just to be dicks. On any topic.
 
Then there is a small group of dipshits that can't engage in adult conversation and instead rely on senseless one-liners and insults - not to make a point - but just to be dicks. On any topic.
And there’s racists like you that make assumptions about people based on skin color and national origin. If someone on MSNBC says it, it must be true, right?
 
So you have no idea who the AfD are and what Vance is doing in Germany.

Not surprising coming from a functionally illiterate Redcoat.
You know so little, but preach so mightily. I think Zuck and Musk are getting their money’s worth.

Strange that you omitted the Romanian court nullifying an election in your rant. Perhaps you should read about that as well as AfD.
 
I found it hilarious to read that Musk is now touting the idea of “DOGE checks” to be handed out to Americans.

When the democrats handed out checks, there was a lot of squawking from the right.

Maybe we should focus on reducing our national debt like conservatives claim is their goal?
 
And there’s that group that’s blue no matter who, Trump is literal Hitler and have seen Joe Biden run circles around his staff with their own eyes.
There probably is. Minuscule in comparison to the Trump cult though. I’ve never seen 200 boats on a lake waving flags which depict a democrats face superimposed on Rambo’s body.
 
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You know so little, but preach so mightily. I think Zuck and Musk are getting their money’s worth.

Strange that you omitted the Romanian court nullifying an election in your rant. Perhaps you should read about that as well as AfD.
“We enter the Reichstag to arm ourselves with democracy’s weapons, if democracy is foolish enough to give us free railway passes and salaries, that is its problem. It does not concern us. Any way of bringing about the revolution is fine by us.”
 
“We enter the Reichstag to arm ourselves with democracy’s weapons, if democracy is foolish enough to give us free railway passes and salaries, that is its problem. It does not concern us. Any way of bringing about the revolution is fine by us.”
Google tells me you're quoting Goebbels. Do you have a point, or just enjoy Nazi propaganda?
 
There probably is. Minuscule in comparison to the Trump cult though. I’ve never seen 200 boats on a lake waving flags which depict a democrats face superimposed on Rambo’s body.
You heard Biden say that he wished he could take Trump behind the gym though?
 
Bill Clinton's administration used a systematic approach that trimmed some 400k jobs from the government and also balanced the federal budget. It was even done in a bipartisan fashion. I don't know why a similar approach could not be used now with great success, especially considering Republicans control both legislative bodies and the executive office. What is happening now is just chaos.

To roses04's point about private sector layoffs, people in the private sector are paid more than employees who do the same job in government and are often given separation packages that help soften the blow of being laid off (buffering the risk of being laid off). Folks who work for the government often accept the lower wages because they want to serve their country and are willing to accept lower wages for the (supposed) stability these positions offer. Just jettisoning people with no rhyme or reason and no warning is just cruel. And these probationary employees (who are being fired in large swaths) would be the ones making the lowest wages; generally speaking downsizing is more successful when you move on from more tenured, higher paid staff.

I'm all for downsizing the government, but I disagree with a strategy that is unorganized, and likely unlawful at many junctures. Firing and rehiring is inefficient and wastes taxpayer dollars. Having to defend numerous lawsuits wastes taxpayer dollars. Breaking a bunch of laws hoping you will redefine a few legal precedents in the courts to me is unethical. Again, Republicans control all chambers and could pass new legislation if they want to change the course of business (such as Humphrey's Executor et al).
Because congress is entirely tribal and to ask for or expect any sort of bipartisan cooperation (from either side) would be foolish at best, negligent at worst.
 
I found it hilarious to read that Musk is now touting the idea of “DOGE checks” to be handed out to Americans.

When the democrats handed out checks, there was a lot of squawking from the right.

Maybe we should focus on reducing our national debt like conservatives claim is their goal?
You... you can see the difference though, right? RIGHT?

Honestly, do you consider anything before you dismiss it completely out of pocket, or do you just read a headline and react?
 
Google tells me you're quoting Goebbels. Do you have a point, or just enjoy Nazi propaganda?
When everything outside of his self righteous point of view is LITERALLY Nazi-esq or they are LITERALLY Hitler, then one must conclude that yes, he is indeed a Nazi propagandist. Or maybe just a Nazi fvcktoy.
 
You... you can see the difference though, right? RIGHT?

Honestly, do you consider anything before you dismiss it completely out of pocket, or do you just read a headline and react?

There are differences....but it's still funny that y'all bitch about government waste and deficits, but when it comes to actually eliminating waste to reduce the deficit....you've got no credibility. And a ****in' handout is a ****in' handout. But hey, as long as it's not black, brown or poor people being targeted for the money...it's cool, right?

Gotta go hand out some welfare to farmers and billionaires too.
 
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Federal “workers” who “worked from home” drawing federal salary, pension accrual and benefits, found to have been working side businesses or other jobs simultaneously, should absolutely be prosecuted.

No exceptions.
 
DOGE checks are dumb and should not be issued. Any money found by fraud should be used to reduce debt and should not be repurposed for any reason.

Congress should submit and pass a comprehensive budget for the first time since fy 1997.

Won’t happen this way, probably but it should.
 
Federal “workers” who “worked from home” drawing federal salary, pension accrual and benefits, found to have been working side businesses or other jobs simultaneously, should absolutely be prosecuted.

No exceptions.

FWIW, I agree with you 100% that the folks that you mentioned should be punished. All of us agree that the over-arching idea of looking for more efficiency and transparency in government is good. We agree that there are a lot of programs that are funded that don't need to be.

Trump, as usual, has an innate understanding of what Americans want. Trump, as usual, takes that way too far and to the point where he is causing more harm than good....because he's a genius when it comes to psychology of the masses but a moron when it comes to execution of policy.
 
Federal “workers” who “worked from home” drawing federal salary, pension accrual and benefits, found to have been working side businesses or other jobs simultaneously, should absolutely be prosecuted.

No exceptions.
Agreed. And “no exceptions” should mean that anyone who cashed in on putting up government delegations into clubs, hotels, and golf courses that they owned while they held office - or who played hundreds of rounds of golf on the clock - should also be prosecuted.
 
Agreed. And “no exceptions” should mean that anyone who cashed in on putting up government delegations into clubs, hotels, and golf courses that they owned while they held office - or who played hundreds of rounds of golf on the clock - should also be prosecuted.
No exceptions would include Obama. Not sure Biden was much of a golfer, but he took a lot of vacation days. W. Bush was off more than 125 days per year. The methodology is not totally clear, and there is a huge variance for Biden.

 
No exceptions would include Obama. Not sure Biden was much of a golfer, but he took a lot of vacation days. W. Bush was off more than 125 days per year. The methodology is not totally clear, and there is a huge variance for Biden.

Probably pretty impossible to quantify. I’m assuming Trump and Gaetz playing golf and grabbing the cart girls ass would be considered “working”.
 
Good Lord.

You say "Good Lord" but I can't count the number of times that people from the MAGA world bitch about welfare handouts but they stick their own fuggin' hands out when given the chance and they don't complain when the handouts go to the "right" people. My comment wouldn't be so aggravating if it wasn't true.
 
You say "Good Lord" but I can't count the number of times that people from the MAGA world bitch about welfare handouts but they stick their own fuggin' hands out when given the chance and they don't complain when the handouts go to the "right" people. My comment wouldn't be so aggravating if it wasn't true.
Hey the Republican's are just better of hanging a noose around the Dems necks. Dems go to a gun fight with a butter knife. Subsidy, TARP, PPP somehow don't get accounted for ...They seem to be in a totally different accounting system than the "handouts".

John Stewart talked about drugs in the black community vs the white community. Even the way it was portrayed in the media was fascinating. It is interesting how people see it...like "Good Lord"
 
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