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The fire chief is obviously a leftist who loves teslas but hates Elon. He probably shits in a litter box too.
Oh, it’s so much worse than you can imagine - they are a w-o-m-a-n. And a l-e-s-b-i-a-n. I’ll bet you she even believes in human caused climate change because she’s dumb enough to believe scientists and too stupid and lazy to do her own research.
Here’s a video from the WSJ that does a decent job explaining the water situation in LA, complete with clips from assholes like James Woods, Joe Rogan and the future Crap-for-Brains In Chief making shit up and politicizing and exploiting a massive tragedy.
I’m sure that if LA had tried to design and build a system that had capacity to provide water to fight fires driven by 80 MPH winds, then Woods, Rogan, and Trump would have criticized them for wasting money.
Simple reality: when people insist on building on hillsides covered by dense vegetation, those structures are going to be at risk whenever wind and fire intersect. No amount of planning can put enough water at the top of a hill to effectively combat fires like this.
Inconvenient truths about the fires burning in Los Angeles from two fire experts
For years, renowned fire experts Jack Cohen and Stephen Pyne have tried to shift the conversation on fire prevention strategies. This week’s destruction, they say, could have been minimized.
www.latimes.com
Here’s an interesting article from the LA Times. The perspective here is that people focus too much on the wildland-urban interface when they should instead be focused on “home-hardening” as most of the destruction in large urban fires is spread by embers carried by winds rather than big flames. That may sound silly when watching video of huge walls of fire consuming trees while spreading through the canyons in LA but as far as the mass destruction of high density housing huge walls of flame from burning vegation isn’t the primary vector. One of the experts interviewed pointed out that you will see trees that have survived right next to burned out homes - embers from neighbors burning houses were carried over to other houses through the air rather than having the adjacent trees transmitting the fire from one house to another.
My sister-in-law’s brother-in-law owns a Malibu waterfront house that was spared while every other house around it burned down. I personally don’t know him but I’d love to find out how his house was constructed and whether that helped to spare his home - I suspect his house was “fire-hardened” but then again maybe it was just an incredible fluke that it survived.
Soo many folk (and a few prominent ones right here on this board) are governed by a philosophy that can be summarized nicely by H.L. Mencken:
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong"
Taihtsat
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong"
Taihtsat
Good article. And yeah I'd like to know how your in-laws in-laws emerged unscathed. In some of these before and after pictures you see a house or building standing surrounded by devastation. And the comment on "random ignitions" in Altadena some distance from the major fireline - I see/saw that in some of the aerial pics as well. Did they have shake roofs or what?Inconvenient truths about the fires burning in Los Angeles from two fire experts
For years, renowned fire experts Jack Cohen and Stephen Pyne have tried to shift the conversation on fire prevention strategies. This week’s destruction, they say, could have been minimized.
Here’s an interesting article from the LA Times. The perspective here is that people focus too much on the wildland-urban interface when they should instead be focused on “home-hardening” as most of the destruction in large urban fires is spread by embers carried by winds rather than big flames. That may sound silly when watching video of huge walls of fire consuming trees while spreading through the canyons in LA but as far as the mass destruction of high density housing huge walls of flame from burning vegation isn’t the primary vector. One of the experts interviewed pointed out that you will see trees that have survived right next to burned out homes - embers from neighbors burning houses were carried over to other houses through the air rather than having the adjacent trees transmitting the fire from one house to another.
My sister-in-law’s brother-in-law owns a Malibu waterfront house that was spared while every other house around it burned down. I personally don’t know him but I’d love to find out how his house was constructed and whether that helped to spare his home - I suspect his house was “fire-hardened” but then again maybe it was just an incredible fluke that it survived.
And edit - being that I've been to SoCal once in my adult lifetime (around Jan 1, 1998), and never to the Palisades/Malibu area, I did not realize that the "mountains" really are right there. And the Palisades fire appears to have indeed started in the woods/mountains. FWIW.
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I'm sure that a bunch of places did have shake roofs. I also suspect that in some of the hillsides and beachfront locations there was a fair number of flat roof buildings in order to maximize house volume within existing Building/Planning Code restrictions. And so how do they seal those places? Hot mopped petroleum goo products. Yeah, that stuff would never burn!
Duh. I just found out that his house has been in the news - he was interviewed and said it has a fireproof roof ( but nothing specific) and stucco siding. It was primarily built to be earthquake proof and to withstand pounding from the ocean waves.
Our house has fire-resistant siding and roofing but one thing we are considering is enclosing the eaves on our house which can be an entry point for embers.
Edited to add: our siding is fiber cement board and the roofing shingles are some kind of composite material. A couple of our neighbors have done metal roofs recently but with the rain I gotta think that’s going to be loud.
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Petroleum goo? I just flashed back to the old Traffic song.......
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Don't know if you guys saw it, but former Coug Jamire Calvin (followed Leach to MSU) lost his aunt in the LA fires.
Correction: his dad, aunt, and grandma all lost their houses. His gofundme doesn’t mention any deaths.
Not clear if he lost a house too, or if he was living with one of them, but he mentions losing everything.
Fair enough. My wife said that the internet said that his aunt had died. I checked just enough to see that there was a story about him.....doh!
DWP is LA Department of Water and Power? Curious whether that is a city, county or state department.
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DWP is City owned. Water & Electric. Rates are about 2/3 of SCE, since they are not as subject to the CEC (Calif Energy Commission) as the IOU's (Investor Owned Utilities = SDG&E, SCE, PG&E).
Actually, shake roofs have been illegal to install here since 1989 due to fire risk. The last shake roof I knew of had 3 layers of visqueen over it and was replaced this past summer. The most common roof is composite, due to the cost. The upgraded composite is almost 50% of the market, as opposed to the standard composite. In high fire areas tile roofs are recommended, but I'd guess only about 20-ish% are tile. Just as important are enclosed eaves, which have been a code requirement in high fire zones for a long time (I'd guess at least 15 years).
I'm not surprised that shakes are now banned. I just figured that there were probably a bunch of places around that were shakes, those typical CA bungalows. Thought they would last a lot longer in the CA sun than in the western WA rains.
Hoping to build in the next year in western WA. Designer and builder are telling my that metal roofs have been running 3-4 times the cost of composition. Yikes! And I am sure that this catastrophe will drive up prices on all of my materials. :-(
Holy hell. Did you by any chance discuss sound issues? Are they engineered to limit sound when it’s raining or is that even an issue?
