Good job Pat Chun

[Loyal Coug]

And I mean it. Sucks that we have to pay Ernie 'Ole Kent the whole payout, but it had to be done, and Chun showed some cajones. Even though I just renewed, I think I will send another $100 to the CAF. That's a one year subscription to Cougzone for you freeloaders.

Let's find some lower league coach that makes $300K and get him in here and rebuild some excitement around the program. There is nowhere to go but up.

 

[Observer11]

And I mean it. Sucks that we have to pay Ernie 'Ole Kent the whole payout, but it had to be done, and Chun showed some cajones. Even though I just renewed, I think I will send another $100 to the CAF. That's a one year subscription to Cougzone for you freeloaders.

Let's find some lower league coach that makes $300K and get him in here and rebuild some excitement around the program. There is nowhere to go but up.

Conceptually, I don't have an issue with the low base. Because $300K is still a buttload of money in normal everyday life.

I've always felt the college athletics business model is flawed -there's no semblance of order relative to supply/demand laws of economics. Just always keeping up with the Jones' with no regard to the check register. It's not sustainable.

That said, I'd load that contract up with incentives - finish 3rd of above in the conference, you get $100K; win the league $200K; NCAA bid $300K - whatever....but you get the picture. Behaviors are influenced by reward and punishment. Ernie had neither motivater - he certainly can't feel too punished walking away $4M richer for doing nothing.

 

[ElComanche]

Are you guys out of your mind? Any new coach will want at least what EK was making. There is a PAC 12 standard of pay and EK was at the lower end of it. Now the new coach will essentially cost CHun about 2,6 mil ayear for the next three years. Oh and we will not be getting Ptino. Your behaviors will be influenced by the coming rewards and punishment.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Are you guys out of your mind? Any new coach will want at least what EK was making. There is a PAC 12 standard of pay and EK was at the lower end of it. Now the new coach will essentially cost CHun about 2,6 mil ayear for the next three years. Oh and we will not be getting Ptino. Your behaviors will be influenced by the coming rewards and punishment.

If you look at the actual pay in the Pac-12, 4 of the 10 teams that report their salary paid less than $2 million per year and 5 paid less than $2.1 million. So, we don't need to pay a coach $2.6 million per year. I would agree with the above thoughts of being more bonus oriented but starting around $1.25 million with a cap around $2 million after bonuses. Tell the new coach that every season where we finish with a winning record, he gets a $250,000 raise and a 1 year extension. No winning season....no raise. If the coach struggles in year one but does ok in years 2-4, he'll be making $2 million per year in year 5 with the ability to close in on $2.75 million if we perform well enough. Of course, if a coach is doing that well, he'll be gone to greener pastures in year 5 so we won't have to worry about that.

By then, we just have to hope that other improvements are in motion to help us be more competitive overall.

 

[Observer11]

Are you guys out of your mind? Any new coach will want at least what EK was making. There is a PAC 12 standard of pay and EK was at the lower end of it. Now the new coach will essentially cost CHun about 2,6 mil ayear for the next three years. Oh and we will not be getting Ptino. Your behaviors will be influenced by the coming rewards and punishment.

Your reading comprehension not so good.

I said the business model is broken. Some school somewhere is going to recognize the emperor has no clothes and get their fiscal house in order. The smart ones are looking down the road and seeing shrinking broadcast rights, potential realignment among the elite football schools and determine it's just not worth it to keep pouring funds into 'elite' (cough cough) coaches and Taj Mahal facilities.

And, yes, you will be able to attract someone for well less than $1 Million with the prospect of greater earnings and/or longer term security - a really good D2 guy or mid-major coach will leap at a 5 year deal with a rolling 1 year add on for whatever base you want to apply.

Travis Dequire makes $175K at Montana on a 3 year deal. You don't think he'd drop everything for 5 years at $500K plus massive incentives? You're nuts. If that's the offer, that's the offer. If he doesn't take it, go to the next name on the list. There is a plentiful supply of coaches out there.

Common laws of supply/demand need to re-enter the management of college athletics.

 

[avabob1]

The business model is broken for both hoops and football. Especially in hoops you cant justify the market rate for salaries in terms of any incremental return from imoroved performance. Interest in college basketball is in decline and only a few elite programs can earn return without a large base of well healed donors. If GU missed the dance for even a couple of seasons you would be able to walk up and buy tickets at the window for conference games the 3rd year.

Even football, we have propelled ourselves to a level unprecedented in WSU history, and yet without the long hoped for money from tv we are creating an unheard of deficit. Yes, donor spending could get us above water, and if we had 4 or 5 times as many alums within 100 miles of Pullman it might be realistic. Our remoteness doesnt just hurt recruiting it also hurts financial support from alums. I know dozens of west siderers who contribute, but anecdotal evidence doesn't trump statistics that say the further alums reside from their college the less likely they are to be major donors.

 

[7ICoug]

Yeah he is gone. Finally. What a horrible hire and those three extensions.

 

[Observer11]

Yeah he is gone. Finally. What a horrible hire and those three extensions.

The first were just lazy/ignore the program/see-no-evil, hear no-evil/football rules add-ons.

The last one was middle fingers extended to the sky. Boozin' Bill didn't like a Pres who wanted to see the check register get back to a reasonable slow drip instead of a massive bleed out hemorrhage.

In hindsight, Schultz should have put a kabosh on that last one and saved some dough. Probably had his hands full dealing with the whole Robert Barber issue/student conduct board and various other fiascos at the time.

 

[Loyal Coug]

Conceptually, I don't have an issue with the low base. Because $300K is still a buttload of money in normal everyday life.

I've always felt the college athletics business model is flawed -there's no semblance of order relative to supply/demand laws of economics. Just always keeping up with the Jones' with no regard to the check register. It's not sustainable.

That said, I'd load that contract up with incentives - finish 3rd of above in the conference, you get $100K; win the league $200K; NCAA bid $300K - whatever....but you get the picture. Behaviors are influenced by reward and punishment. Ernie had neither motivater - he certainly can't feel too punished walking away $4M richer for doing nothing.

I was not at all suggesting that we pay $300K. What I meant was go get some rising (probably young) coach who is making that, and who would jump at the chance to make some real coin while taking on the unenviable task of rebuilding the program. I am all for incentives too. How about a base of $1 million with the incentives you mention?

 

[dgibbons]

The business model is broken for both hoops and football. Especially in hoops you cant justify the market rate for salaries in terms of any incremental return from imoroved performance. Interest in college basketball is in decline and only a few elite programs can earn return without a large base of well healed donors. If GU missed the dance for even a couple of seasons you would be able to walk up and buy tickets at the window for conference games the 3rd year.

Even football, we have propelled ourselves to a level unprecedented in WSU history, and yet without the long hoped for money from tv we are creating an unheard of deficit. Yes, donor spending could get us above water, and if we had 4 or 5 times as many alums within 100 miles of Pullman it might be realistic. Our remoteness doesnt just hurt recruiting it also hurts financial support from alums. I know dozens of west siderers who contribute, but anecdotal evidence doesn't trump statistics that say the further alums reside from their college the less likely they are to be major donors.

Remoteness has nothing to do with donating. You donate over the internet.

 

[Observer11]

I was not at all suggesting that we pay $300K. What I meant was go get some rising (probably young) coach who is making that, and who would jump at the chance to make some real coin while taking on the unenviable task of rebuilding the program. I am all for incentives too. How about a base of $1 million with the incentives you mention?

My numbers were discussion-purposes only. It costs waaay more than free to get me to build financial models. Conceptual discussions are much less expensive.

 

[Observer11]

Remoteness has nothing to do with donating. You donate over the internet.

Gonzaga's two biggest donors live in Salt Lake City.

 

[avabob1]

Like I said, not talking about ease of donating, or anecdotal evidence. Studies have shown that the further alums locate from their alma mater, the less likely they are to donate

 

[ttowncoug]

Good leadership by Chun and Shultz. Basketball can be a money maker program. No need to kick the can forward even if it means suffering short-term deficits.

It also could be a sign that both are optimistic that the Pac-12 direction that could be without Scott.

 

[ElComanche]

The scene next year will be a graveyard and Chun will be there to witness the debacles . I of course will be observing from a safe distance

 

[etowncoug]

The scene next year will be a graveyard and Chun will be there to witness the debacles . I of course will be observing from a safe distance

Somebody's got to say it:

ElC is to grammer as Ernie Kent is to coaching.

 

[7ICoug]

Somebody's got to say it:

ElC is to grammer as Ernie Kent is to coaching.

Good one.

 

[YakiCoug]

And I mean it. Sucks that we have to pay Ernie 'Ole Kent the whole payout, but it had to be done, and Chun showed some cajones. Even though I just renewed, I think I will send another $100 to the CAF. That's a one year subscription to Cougzone for you freeloaders.

Let's find some lower league coach that makes $300K and get him in here and rebuild some excitement around the program. There is nowhere to go but up.

Wonder if Chun has been holding his breath for this ringing endorsement.