Recruiting slows down. Again, he was offered by one team in the Pac 10. One. He has grown into the ability to be talked about getting drafted. He was offered in October, plenty of time.
Great… So glad this is in our rear view mirror
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Yes, because he was part of the 2011 signing class, as I and others have demonstrated. Can you show me an article stating he was part of the previous years class, as there was for Xavier Cooper?
So the 2011 class was full. Is that what you are saying and they had no room for Dahl. Is that correct?
Can you show me, ANYTHING, that says Meighen would be counted against the 2010 class, as there was for Xavier Cooper? Until you find that, he's #25 and got Dahl's spot, yes.
Another direct quote:
"The negative that comes into play that I think is a bad message to 18- and 17-year olds is that (we teach them) that you can commit and your word is good ... and then other schools come in and try to get them to change their mind -- I think that is 100 percent the wrong message," said Wulff. "It shows a lack of class upon those schools that do that...I think it's immature. I think it's wrong.
I put the I word in bold so you could see it. Can't make this stuff up.
Eastern must be more willing to take medical risks than WSU. Do you really believe that every school is the same? WSU was willing to take the medical risk Devard Darling when FSU was not because DeVaughn died. Also, what would a redshirt accomplish if WSU was not going to clear him?
ED, I disagree with you on I believe that it matters why a player doesn't work out. The reason it is important is to hopefully correct what went wrong. If the player eats himself out of being an athlete before he gets to campus, you did something wrong in evaluating his character.
If you recruit a JC player to compete for a starting job, but he plays in the first three games he is eligible (starting one) and never gets off the bench for the next 21 games says there was a evaluation error on the player.
We all know and understand that statistically there will be hits and misses to every class. But, understanding why helps to be on the positive side of the ledger.
For a bonus point (DRUM ROLL..........) did Wulff pronounce it im-a-tour or im-ma-ture?
Well there is another quote by him as well. One that I think is more naïve and shows the public relations gaffs of Wulff more, but immature works too.
And... The mature thing to do is "flip it" back on to me aaaaggggaaaiiiinnnnn.
You are such an angel arent you?......
Again, it is accounting Wulffui, and you know for a fact he can go to the previous class to make room for Dahl.
So, you can't? It was right there for Cooper. Since you're so certain, I can't understand how the only concrete evidence you can find validated my point, not yours.
Also, you weren't saying he COULD- you were saying he DID, which you've utterly failed to demonstrate.
I believe what he actually said was, "The day we recruit unscrupulously like other schools is the day we lose our innocence."
The rule on this has changed. Schools can no longer "go backward" in awarding schollies to mid-year transfers. As for Dahl, I guess you'd have to ask the athletic department how it handled Dahl. It depends on whether any people were leaving at semester to free up a schollie. If no one left or graduated mid-year, then the schollie would have been part of the maximum 25 for fall enrollment.
Whatever the case, this big picture is that Wulff failed absolutely to build either line. That is a death sentence in football. That is what 6 and 40 is all about. And, again, only Wulff's wife should be here defending all that - not adult males who have no emotional, physical, or professional attachment to Wulff and who post hundreds of times defending every dump he took while at WSU. It is beyond weird that they do so. It's borderline psychotic.
It's just ridiculous that rather than just letting go on the idea of the bad choice that was simply picking the wrong guy, the defense is, "nun-uh, he'd could have had both; he just didn't do a good enough job outrecruiting a Big Sky team as a representative of his way more prestigious dream school several hours closer to home! That's way better!"
No.
As for this asinine 10/11 argument, everything indicates he was signed as part of the '11 class, and there was no oversigning to indicate a need to backlog.
You'd think with the pounding he was taking recruiting trail that innocence would be long gone. But then it would be tough to play the victim.
I am not sure I understand this argument that some are having. Dahl was a walkon, so he was not on scholarship when he arrived in January of 2012. I don't think he was put on scholarship until either fall semester of 2012 or spring semester of 2013.
"Three junior college transfers – offensive linemen Taylor Meighen (6-3, 285) and Rico Forbes (6-4, 260) and defensive end Ian Knight (6-2, 244) – have already enrolled in Pullman, as have three Florida high school seniors – receivers Henry Eaddy (5-8, 170) and Isiah Myers (6-foot, 170) and linebacker Darryl Monroe (6-1, 210) – and a member of last year’s signing class – defensive end Xavier Cooper (6-5, 268).
Some can either be counted against last year’s 25 (counting Cooper, WSU ended up with just 23 in the class) or this year’s, depending on space."
The discussion is Wulffui said on Tuesday Wulff picked Meighen over Dahl. I have said not they could take both. In his world it was one or the other because Meighen is listed in the 2011 class per rivals, but the old rule allowed semester transfers to count against the previous class. While the 2010 class had I believe 25, they had Jiles and Booker not make it so they had two spots to use. Meaning they could have a total signed for 2011 of 27.
I am not sure what you want to hear. Dahl said he didn't handle it well. WSU offered him in October, and you want to blame a staff for the kid making an error per his words. He decided early on he wasn't happy and wanted to go to WSU. He rectified in his mind the error he made. Again, the only team in the Pac 10 that properly evaluated him was WSU.
Correct. And they didn't need "space" in 2011, because they only signed 25, so he counted against the 2011 class.
Don't know why this is so hard for you.
Probably should have gone a little harder after the future Outland candidate in the closest urban center who considered Wazzu his dream school, rather than "nothing", huh?
No, the discussion was why Wulff got outrecruited by Montana. You've pursued this single unverified offshoot to draw away from the "outrecruited by a Big Sky school" issue. But you're only proving more Wulff ineptitude by going down this road, so we can circle back.
Wulffui...my bad. And my apologies. When you write the following "So the Pac-12 "talents" Wulff had to have before Dahl included Meighen, Taiese, and Goetz? Man, did that guy have the magic eye or what?
Then you write- Wulffui- Are you seriously asking me why, in a discussion about 1 2011 OL recruit, why I would bring up another 2011 OL recruit?
My respions- Ed-Yeah...I am seriously asking you specifically about Taylor M, and why you are bringing him into this discussion? Because he was an OL Wulff chose over Dahl. 606 wulffui, Tuesday at 3:23 PM
Wulffui -Because you're adamant about it, and there's nothing even close to suggesting that "rule" was used for him, other than your assertions... against the stack of articles that say he's part of the '11 class- rather than say, Joe Dahl.
So I apologize for carrying this on for several days. I guess I thought the discussion was how Dahl did not have a spot, when he did. If the discussion was about how Wulff didn't change the mind of a 17/18 year old kid, I won't pretend to answer why they make decisions that they do. But once again, you used the term "magic eye for talent", that is your term, but the fact the only Pac 10 school to offer was WSU seems very interesting to me. I don't believe a Mt West conference offered. Did Idaho even offer?
As far as proving the accounting for the scholies, truth be told we would have to ask the school what scholies got moved where, if any. But if the discussion was about Dahl having a spot, well it is clear there was room if he chose to take it.
Then you write- Wulffui- Are you seriously asking me why, in a discussion about 1 2011 OL recruit, why I would bring up another 2011 OL recruit?
My respions- Ed-Yeah...I am seriously asking you specifically about Taylor M, and why you are bringing him into this discussion? Because he was an OL Wulff chose over Dahl. 606 wulffui, Tuesday at 3:23 PM
Wulffui -Because you're adamant about it, and there's nothing even close to suggesting that "rule" was used for him, other than your assertions... against the stack of articles that say he's part of the '11 class- rather than say, Joe Dahl.
So I apologize for carrying this on for several days. I guess I thought the discussion was how Dahl did not have a spot, when he did. If the discussion was about how Wulff didn't change the mind of a 17/18 year old kid, I won't pretend to answer why they make decisions that they do. But once again, you used the term "magic eye for talent", that is your term, but the fact the only Pac 10 school to offer was WSU seems very interesting to me. I don't believe a Mt West conference offered. Did Idaho even offer?
As far as proving the accounting for the scholies, truth be told we would have to ask the school what scholies got moved where, if any. But if the discussion was about Dahl having a spot, well it is clear there was room if he chose to take it.
Again, I simply read what you said. Why he got out recruited by a Big Sky School I couldn't tell you. I can only tell you where Dahl in an article said he didn't handle it right.
I didn't say a word whether or not there was a spot for Dahl- it was about the choice Wulff made in recruiting Meighen harder than Dahl.
You turned it into that discussion, by essentially talking about how, if we'd had to, we could have moved Meighen.
Completely ignoring the fact that- since Wulff wasn't appealing to enough recruits to make the backshift necessary, they didn't. You just admitted you don't ACTUALLY know, why not just start from could rather than did?
I'd say, at that point in Wulff's tenure, if you'd told him he could land an Outland candidate who really wanted to come to WSU, he'd have jumped at it. He just didn't, at least not enough.
It's also interesting that you describe Jake Rodgers as a "future NFL draftee" when Wulff recruited him, redshirted him for a year, and Leach inherited him. But for a guy who Wulff couldn't get to take a scholarship and who walked on under Leach and has been developed into a national honors candidate, you discuss his paucity of offers- in the face of his ongoing success.
That's cold, man.
Since he calls it his dream school, and talks about a lack of consistent contact from the former staff, then came on as soon as a new staff was in place, I'd say we can blame the former coaching staff and close this case pretty easy, Chief.
Sure seems like when a kid says he "kinda" handled it wrong, sure sounds like he wanted to go to WSU regardless of the coach. But then again I could be reading into what kinda handled it wrong means.
Ummm...I said he was a kid recruited by Wulff and he was a future NFL draftee. I also said Dahl had no other offers but WSU saw value in him. That is a good thing. I don't care how many offers he had. I just know WSU spotted something in the kid. And kids get offered in October all the time. He just chose to go to Montana. And as he said, it was a mistake.
Yes, and when his stated reason for not going to WSU has to do with them not continuing to recruit him, (there was no "Montana was just SO good"... he noted the failings of the previous staff) it seems pretty clear what led him to that.
Also, if you don't care how many offers he had, why are you using a lack of them as an excuse for Wulff's failure to identify talent in his own backyard?
Wulff should be praised because he did offer and acknowledged there ws a talent there.
Nope, he should be vilified for letting an honors candidate in his backyard slip through his fingers when he could have landed him with minimal effort.
Well, not just that- mostly the awful coaching. But half assing the recruiting is just one of the mixers in Wulff's "Total Fail Cocktail".
