Great… So glad this is in our rear view mirror

[CougEd]

Nope, he should be vilified for letting an honors candidate in his backyard slip through his fingers when he could have landed him with minimal effort.

Well, not just that- mostly the awful coaching. But half assing the recruiting is just one of the mixers in Wulff's "Total Fail Cocktail".

I guess I take the following at face value-
"Growing up, I wanted to be a Cougar," Dahl told ESPN 700 in Salt Lake City during his rounds at Pac-12 Media Days in Burbank, Calif. "I handled the recruiting process a little wrong. I committed there (to Montana) a little too early. I did eventually get an offer to WSU. When I went to Montana, I decided I wanted to be here (at WSU). What was most important to me was getting back to Pullman and helping WSU find something great."

 

[wulffui]

I, likewise, take things at face value. So when a kid says things like "growing up, I always wanted to be a Cougar" and has that chance, I look for reasons why he passed that up. Like this:

“There was a period when they (the Cougars) stopped talking to me,” Dahl says. “That was when Montana started talking to me.

Seems like the primary reason to me. Seems like the ONLY reason to me. I don't buy your "they stop talking ALL THE TIME in recruiting" assertion- that only happens with guys they're OK losing.

Or are you asserting that between an 18 year old, and a group of grown men, hired and paid specifically for their capabilities in a recruiting capacity, that a failing between the two parties should be the sole responsibility... of the 18 year old?

 

[spongebob11]

"as you admitted you gave up on the Cougs during the Wulff years" That's not something to be ashamed of. I was correct. He was a bad coach. His being fired from USF / relegated to Team USA confirms that putting effort into supporting the program during his tenure was a waste of energy and time. We did the right thing firing him, and now I'm back as many others are because there is something to look forward to.

Yes, it is something to be ashamed of. Definition of a bandwagon fan.

That means you only support the Cougs if you happen to like the coach..then you come on here and call people Huskies(who suport the program through thick and thin, unlike you) when you behave just like their bandwagon fans.

If Leach goes 3-9 again this yr, are you going to stop supporting the team again?

 

[Cougatron]

Yes, it is something to be ashamed of. Definition of a bandwagon fan.

That means you only support the Cougs if you happen to like the coach..then you come on here and call people Huskies(who suport the program through thick and thin, unlike you) when you behave just like their bandwagon fans.

If Leach goes 3-9 again this yr, are you going to stop supporting the team again?

Yes I will support if we go 3-9 again but I highly doubt that will happen. I liked Paul Wulff the day he was hired. After his second year when we had a total of 3 wins and the recruiting was in the gutter I was done. He had a fair shot, and he ruined what chance we had to salvage the decline suffered after doba. I don't have to support that. There is nothing that says people that make the program worse I have to support. Only a husky or an idiot would support that. We fired him. (2 years too late) And now Leach has to rebuild a program that was worse in results than SMU post death penalty and Marshall post plane crash.

If Leach came in and didn't start building an O-line. I wouldn't have supported him.

If he came in and cried about no QB for two whole seasons. I wouldn't have supported him.

But Leach rebuilt the O-line depth. Brought in much better talent and took that pieces he had and developed them. He's a coach who doesn't make things much worse and then tell us he's "doing it the right way".

I judge people on what they are doing with what they have and what they are doing for our future.

Paul Wulff developed nothing out of what he had sinking us to new lows, and recruited behind WAC and MWC schools for our future. (And yes...WAC and MWC teams send kids to the Pros too. so just a few players that were developed (By Leach) that came out of the Wulff era is no excuse for the 90% subpar recruiting and terrible roster management that destroyed Cougar football.

 

[spongebob11]

Yes I will support if we go 3-9 again but I highly doubt that will happen. I liked Paul Wulff the day he was hired. After his second year when we had a total of 3 wins and the recruiting was in the gutter I was done. He had a fair shot, and he ruined what chance we had to salvage the decline suffered after doba. I don't have to support that. There is nothing that says people that make the program worse I have to support. Only a husky or an idiot would support that. We fired him. (2 years too late) And now Leach has to rebuild a program that was worse in results than SMU post death penalty and Marshall post plane crash.

If Leach came in and didn't start building an O-line. I wouldn't have supported him.

If he came in and cried about no QB for two whole seasons. I wouldn't have supported him.

But Leach rebuilt the O-line depth. Brought in much better talent and took that pieces he had and developed them. He's a coach who doesn't make things much worse and then tell us he's "doing it the right way".

I judge people on what they are doing with what they have and what they are doing for our future.

Paul Wulff developed nothing out of what he had sinking us to new lows, and recruited behind WAC and MWC schools for our future. (And yes...WAC and MWC teams send kids to the Pros too. so just a few players that were developed (By Leach) that came out of the Wulff era is no excuse for the 90% subpar recruiting and terrible roster management that destroyed Cougar football.

You do realize that if we fired Wulff 2 yrs earlier like you wanted, we would never have Leach.

 

[dgibbons]

Yes, it is something to be ashamed of. Definition of a bandwagon fan.

That means you only support the Cougs if you happen to like the coach..then you come on here and call people Huskies(who suport the program through thick and thin, unlike you) when you behave just like their bandwagon fans.

If Leach goes 3-9 again this yr, are you going to stop supporting the team again?

So does declaring that a coach won't get it done after one game make you the pot or the kettle?

 

[Cougatron]

You do realize that if we fired Wulff 2 yrs earlier like you wanted, we would never have Leach.

Yes but that doesn't mean we wouldn't have another coach that could be rebuilding. Leach is awesome and I'm glad we have him. He'll be a great one for us, but still Wulff after 2009 should have been booted for what he did. If there was some incredible recruiting class with a lot of great future prospects I would have been reluctant, but the bad recruiting combined with 3 wins in 2 years.... that's a dismissal. If we were serious about football. That's why I left. When we didn't it was as if we didn't care what happened. So why should I?

I don't know who we would have gotten at that time, but I think we could have gotten somebody good. In the end we had to suffer through 2 more years but at least we got Leach. I want to get back to winning as much as anybody, but that extra 2 years added an extra 2 years to rebuild for us. I don't blame Leach for that. As long as he is turning around the roster and adding pieces and stepping stones towards a successful program I'm fine with him, and so far he's done an excellent job on that front.

He could/should have taken JCs in 2013 to have some guys ready to go in 2014 in the secondary, and should have planned for Furney's departure better...(We did have a kicker he was just poached)... So his missteps are very minimal.

As far as game day coaching I wish he wouldn't go for it as much, although I do like the confidence he is trying to build in the team, and I wish we had a better red zone strategy, but those are things that can be sorted out.

Big picture wise he's an excellent hire, and is living up to what I hoped for in someone that can get us back to an actual competitive team again. He's cleaned up a lot of the mess and now gets to build on the foundation he built.

Wulff just blew up the foundation and cried pointing at all the rubble...and for that nobody should have stuck with the guy.

 

[YakiCoug]

So does declaring that a coach won't get it done after one game make you the pot or the kettle?

And he whined all of 2012 and then vanished in 2013 once "his school" looked like it was contending for a bowl berth, because true fans disappear whenever their team has success. But who emerged psychotic immediately after the bowl game and after he discovered that other case of Busch Lite he didn't get to in the 2012 season opener v. BYU? Yes, the beer was a bit stale and insipid much like his thought processes on this board.

 

[chinookpirate]

When your "opinion" isn't actually an opinion, but factually inaccurate information you're holding up as an "opinion", well, you're entitled to it. But it's not an opinion- it's somewhere between a mistake and a lie.

#shitshowpetridish

 

[chinookpirate]

And he whined all of 2012 and then vanished in 2013 once "his school" looked like it was contending for a bowl berth, because true fans disappear whenever their team has success. But who emerged psychotic immediately after the bowl game and after he discovered that other case of Busch Lite he didn't get to in the 2012 season opener v. BYU? Yes, the beer was a bit stale and insipid much like his thought processes on this board.

Liar... But, you knew that when you posted this flame.

 

[spongebob11]

So does declaring that a coach won't get it done after one game make you the pot or the kettle?

I knew the dgibbons clown car would pull up to this discussion sooner or later with Yaki Stalker in tow.

Criticizing Leach and withdrawing support from the program are two different things.

It's the same thing you clowns did during the Wulff era.

I have higher expectations for Leach. I think his offense is too one dimensional and too easy to defend...and the the disparity between our total offense and scoring offense bears that out.

And when you are as bad as we were in yr 3, scoring only 13 pts against Nevada, it proves I am correct...and that pisses you off.

 

[CougEd]

I, likewise, take things at face value. So when a kid says things like "growing up, I always wanted to be a Cougar" and has that chance, I look for reasons why he passed that up. Like this:



Seems like the primary reason to me. Seems like the ONLY reason to me. I don't buy your "they stop talking ALL THE TIME in recruiting" assertion- that only happens with guys they're OK losing.

Or are you asserting that between an 18 year old, and a group of grown men, hired and paid specifically for their capabilities in a recruiting capacity, that a failing between the two parties should be the sole responsibility... of the 18 year old?

I guess you and I will agree to disagree. Cause the rest of the article says they offered him in October. And as for Meighan, you continue to say he was taken over Dahl, now your argument was never about scholie limits, but they preferred him. If we are to believe what we read, Dahl said he was offered by WSU in October, and Meighan by all accounts was offered in December. So Dahl was sought before Dahl if we believe those timelines.

 

[YakiCoug]

You'd think with the pounding he was taking recruiting trail that innocence would be long gone. But then it would be tough to play the victim.

It was important for Wulff to have that victim card. It helped him get hired in the first place. Many people felt sorry for him. And some fans bonded indelibly with him, with some actually suggesting their experiences were the same. It was a great coming together of narcissism, by definition, in this case, a self-centeredness arising from failure to distinguish the self from external objects...somewhat reflecting a mental disorder. How else can you explain hundreds and hundreds of posts from adult males with no apparent attachment to Wulff? No one would criticize Wulff's wife for coming here to defend her husband but I'm assuming she doesn't post as "chinookpirate."

 

[CougEd]

And he whined all of 2012 and then vanished in 2013 once "his school" looked like it was contending for a bowl berth, because true fans disappear whenever their team has success. But who emerged psychotic immediately after the bowl game and after he discovered that other case of Busch Lite he didn't get to in the 2012 season opener v. BYU? Yes, the beer was a bit stale and insipid much like his thought processes on this board.

No other reason why people don't post you can think of? Tron has made this same comment. If you didn't post for awhile I could think of tons of reasons-
1) Illness. Maybe chemotherapy. 2) Illness, maybe heart attack. 3) Volunteering for a great cause and picking up the pieces for someone else whose illness caused extra time to be taken by the volunteer work. 4) death in the family. 5) Maybe a divorce. 6) Job change. 7) remodel of a home that didn't allow much internet access. 8) Maybe posters leave the board because they don't care for other posters and becomes a waste of time in their minds 10) Another 100 reasons that would not be associated with football. 11) Maybe some poster don't post after being under .500 and having three straight games where they gave up 55, 59, and 66 points and needing to win two out of three games may have been a football reason not to post.

 

[dgibbons]

I knew the dgibbons clown car would pull up to this discussion sooner or later with Yaki Stalker in tow.

Criticizing Leach and withdrawing support from the program are two different things.

It's the same thing you clowns did during the Wulff era.

I have higher expectations for Leach. I think his offense is too one dimensional and too easy to defend...and the the disparity between our total offense and scoring offense bears that out.

And when you are as bad as we were in yr 3, scoring only 13 pts against Nevada, it proves I am correct...and that pisses you off.

I don't recall anyone declaring Wulff a failure after one game. That's a place reserved for your special kind of special.

 

[YakiCoug]

Liar... But, you knew that when you posted this flame.

Dipping deeply into your well of intellect again, I see. Ah, but I'm open to the possibility your buddy bought a brand new case of Busch Lite for the occasion and gave the old one to you. Now, be a good little Ruthie and go away.

 

[CougEd]

Dipping deeply into your well of intellect again, I see. Ah, but I'm open to the possibility your buddy bought a brand new case of Busch Lite for the occasion and gave the old one to you. Now, be a good little Ruthie and go away.

News for you Yaki...my guess is no one is going away unless they get booted like you did.

 

[wulffui]

I guess you and I will agree to disagree. Cause the rest of the article says they offered him in October. And as for Meighan, you continue to say he was taken over Dahl, now your argument was never about scholie limits, but they preferred him. If we are to believe what we read, Dahl said he was offered by WSU in October, and Meighan by all accounts was offered in December. So Dahl was sought before Dahl if we believe those timelines.

I suppose we can agree to disagree about the Meighen matter specifically, although given the squishy matter of the issue, and the fact that a prospective "spot" was never filled means that something went wrong, and literally, CAN'T be proven either way.

That said, you're the one who opted to press that specific minutiae, while ignoring these damming facts.

Fact: Joe Dahl wanted to go to WSU.

Fact: Wulff was outrecruited by Montana.

Fact: A stated reason by Dahl for rebuffing WSU was a lack of effort put into his recruitment by the Wulff staff, even more so than anything Montana did to secure him.

Fact: The moment Paul Wulff was no longer part of the program, Dahl made EXTRA sacrifices to come on board.

It paints a picture that has little to do with Meighen, aside from wondering how awful our recruiting was as a whole.

 

[wulffui]

News for you Yaki...my guess is no one is going away unless they get booted like you did.

News for you, Ed- if anyone starts enforcing actual board rules again, there's one person booted within five seconds.

 

[spongebob11]

News for you, Ed- if anyone starts enforcing actual board rules again, there's one person booted within five seconds.

News for you, Cookie Butter. One person has actually been banned. The other, not so much.

 

[wulffui]

News for you Wulffui. One person has actually been banned. The other, not so much.

At the end of the day, neither of those people are me, so I have "ZERO INTEREST©".

 

[fingerdisco]

News for you, Cookie Butter. One person has actually been banned. The other, not so much.

You forgot to include that he named himself after wulff.

Mmmm, cookie butter...

 

[spongebob11]

At the end of the day, neither of those people are me, so I have "ZERO INTEREST©".

Oh really? You had so much zero interest that you decided to chime in your 2 cents on the matter?

Must be the flu.

 

[wulffui]

Oh really? You had so much zero interest that you decided to chime in your 2 cents on the matter?

Must be the flu.

You're so good at this. The self awareness thing... HAS to be genetic. If only you'd been here to lay down the law the LAST time someone talked incessantly about something they claimed "zero interest©" in.

 

[wulffui]

No, if it had been the flu, I'd be in perfect condition, right, Dr. Sponge?

 

[CougEd]

I suppose we can agree to disagree about the Meighen matter specifically, although given the squishy matter of the issue, and the fact that a prospective "spot" was never filled means that something went wrong, and literally, CAN'T be proven either way.

That said, you're the one who opted to press that specific minutiae, while ignoring these damming facts.

Fact: Joe Dahl wanted to go to WSU.

Fact: Wulff was outrecruited by Montana.

Fact: A stated reason by Dahl for rebuffing WSU was a lack of effort put into his recruitment by the Wulff staff, even more so than anything Montana did to secure him.

Fact: The moment Paul Wulff was no longer part of the program, Dahl made EXTRA sacrifices to come on board.

It paints a picture that has little to do with Meighen, aside from wondering how awful our recruiting was as a whole.

Again, feel free to ignore what he said. He was offered after Montana offered him. The staff needed a little more time to evaluate him. They did, and were the only Pac 12 team or even Big West team that offered. That was in October. Wulff didn't pry him away from his commitment. The kid in hindsight said he mad a mistake and went to WSU, without knowing who the coach was.

If Wulff stayed do you believe Dahl would have come to WSU at semester? He wanted to be a Coug, the staff offered him, as he said he didn't handle it well, and took the one offer he did have.

 

[wulffui]

Again, feel free to ignore what he said. He was offered after Montana offered him. The staff needed a little more time to evaluate him. They did, and were the only Pac 12 team or even Big West team that offered. That was in October. Wulff didn't pry him away from his commitment. The kid in hindsight said he mad a mistake and went to WSU, without knowing who the coach was.

If Wulff stayed do you believe Dahl would have come to WSU at semester? He wanted to be a Coug, the staff offered him, as he said he didn't handle it well, and took the one offer he did have.

That neither addresses nor disproves any of the stated facts I just provided. And show you've pretty much ignored what he said.

You keep talking about him saying he "made a mistake". But ignore that he goes on to explain that a major part of the mistake was lousy recruiting.

All we can say for sure is when Wulff was there, Dahl wasn't willing to come. And once he was willing to come, the only significant change at WSU was Wulff being gone.

He went without knowing who the coach was... (although I bet he could read rumors like anyone else) but he definitely knew it wasn't the guy with a staff who'd done a half-assed job trying to recruit him, and who he'd said "no" to the year before.

 

[spongebob11]

No, if it had been the flu, I'd be in perfect condition, right, Dr. Sponge?

Naw, if you had the flu, you probably would have toe'd the company line and broken your collar bone.

 

[wulffui]

Naw, if you had the flu, you probably would have toe'd the company line and broken your collar bone.

Back into the lab, I guess?

 

[YakiCoug]

I suppose we can agree to disagree about the Meighen matter specifically, although given the squishy matter of the issue, and the fact that a prospective "spot" was never filled means that something went wrong, and literally, CAN'T be proven either way.

That said, you're the one who opted to press that specific minutiae, while ignoring these damming facts.

Fact: Joe Dahl wanted to go to WSU.

Fact: Wulff was outrecruited by Montana.

Fact: A stated reason by Dahl for rebuffing WSU was a lack of effort put into his recruitment by the Wulff staff, even more so than anything Montana did to secure him.

Fact: The moment Paul Wulff was no longer part of the program, Dahl made EXTRA sacrifices to come on board.

It paints a picture that has little to do with Meighen, aside from wondering how awful our recruiting was as a whole.

Dahl's feelings about WSU were exactly the same when Wulff was there. He quite easily could have walked on the way he did after Leach took over. The excitement created by that hire was a key for him, I'm sure; Six and 40? Not so much.

 

[spongebob11]

I don't recall anyone declaring Wulff a failure after one game. That's a place reserved for your special kind of special.

Except for the fact that zero winning seasons have proven me correct... Including 3-9x2

 

[CougEd]

That neither addresses nor disproves any of the stated facts I just provided. And show you've pretty much ignored what he said.

You keep talking about him saying he "made a mistake". But ignore that he goes on to explain that a major part of the mistake was lousy recruiting.

All we can say for sure is when Wulff was there, Dahl wasn't willing to come. And once he was willing to come, the only significant change at WSU was Wulff being gone.

He went without knowing who the coach was... (although I bet he could read rumors like anyone else) but he definitely knew it wasn't the guy with a staff who'd done a half-assed job trying to recruit him, and who he'd said "no" to the year before.

Ummm...they said no to him his junior year? Yes, they said no to a lot of people. They offered him in October of his senior year. Who else offered him?

 

[wulffui]

Ummm...they said no to him his junior year? Yes, they said no to a lot of people. They offered him in October of his senior year. Who else offered him?

You read it wrong.

 

[wulffui]

Except for the fact that zero winning seasons have proven me correct... Including 3-9x2

Two 3-9's in the FIRST three years, when your player "supply" is on a rolling five year scale- especially considering his .660 career record prior to arriving at Wulff's Superfund-level disaster- just underlines how bad the guy before him was at getting talent.

Mike Leach came in a .660 coach. He inherited .180 talent. Unless "proving you correct" is about your admission that Leach had almost nothing to work with, which, although true, I'm sure you never offered.

 

[YakiCoug]

Two 3-9's in the FIRST three years, when your player "supply" is on a rolling five year scale- especially considering his .660 career record prior to arriving at Wulff's Superfund-level disaster- just underlines how bad the guy before him was at getting talent.

Mike Leach came in a .660 coach. He inherited .180 talent. Unless "proving you correct" is about your admission that Leach had almost nothing to work with, which, although true, I'm sure you never offered.

Of course, there was the infamous booze-laden screech, "Leach isn't going to get it done!" which quickly transformed into a conspicuous silence the following season when Dolts United realized their favorite college football team was going bowling. In short, the Women of Wulff will continue their screeching until they realize WSU football can win again.

 

[wulffui]

Of course, there was the infamous booze-laden screech, "Leach isn't going to get it done!" which quickly transformed into a conspicuous silence the following season when Dolts United realized their favorite college football team was going bowling. In short, the Women of Wulff will continue their screeching until they realize WSU football can win again.

Given the position some have that Wulff never made a mistake... his players? Constantly. Med staff? All the time. Support staff- the worst! Guy in charge of putting all those things together? Nope, he's perfect.

 

[Whitworth-Coug]

It's quite obvious the W-W "Bravado Brothers" haven't been in favor of Leach from day 1. Not sure why they can't admit it, but it comes out in their posts crystal clear.

Ed's inside access was cut-off when Leach arrived and Sponge never cared for Leach ever.

Zero Self-awareness Example from 11/29/14

Like I said from the jump.. Leach is crap of a coach... and he is probing it in spades

 

[spongebob11]

Of course, there was the infamous booze-laden screech, "Leach isn't going to get it done!" which quickly transformed into a conspicuous silence the following season when Dolts United realized their favorite college football team was going bowling. In short, the Women of Wulff will continue their screeching until they realize WSU football can win again.

Go stalk someone you f'ing nut job!

For some reason, you claim I didn't post in 2013. That is incorrect...and its full on weird that you would stalk my posts in that manner to begin with.

I didn't post from January until sometime in October of 2014. Had nothing to do with the football team. It has to do with the members of this board...including the likes of you.

If you need some applesauce to take your meds, I will gladly provide it.

 

[CPtheCoug]

Go stalk someone you f'ing nut job!

For some reason, you claim I didn't post in 2013. That is incorrect...and its full on weird that you would stalk my posts in that manner to begin with.

I didn't post from January until sometime in October of 2014. Had nothing to do with the football team. It has to do with the members of this board...including the likes of you.

If you need some applesauce to take your meds, I will gladly provide it.

Wow, this post... In football terms we'd call this "rattled"...

 

[spongebob11]

Wow, this post... In football terms we'd call this "rattled"...

Yet here you are again leg-humping my posts. You must be related to dgibbons or Yaki.