Interesting population stats

[Loyal Coug1]

Colorado State has been mentioned in another thread as a dubious Pac-12 addition. We already have Colorado, so CSU is redundant.

So let's look at the populations of some states that have 2 Power 5 programs in them. Rounded, and all per Wikipedia.

Washington - 7.7 million
Arizona - 7.1
Colorado - 5.8
S. Carolina - 5.1
Alabama - 5.0
Oregon - 4.2
Oklahoma - 3.9
Utah - 3.3 (2 programs when BYU joins the Big 12)
Iowa - 3.2
Mississippi - 3.0
Kansas - 3.0

Nevada? 3.1 with no Power 5 programs.......
San Diego County? 3.3 with no Power 5 program, and in fact only one D-1 program at all.

Pretty interesting IMHO. My perspective? It's all about eyes on TV, and butts in seats. The West Coast doesn't have them. Fact of life. Adding the big Dallas and New Orleans markets with SMU and Tulane doesn't mean eyes on TVs. Or butts in seats judging from their stadiums which are punier than ours.

Point? Stay the F in our footprint, do what we can to generate more interest. Games in LV and SD, in-league rivalry in Colorado, etc. Taking a stupid flyer on Texas and LA schools that no one gives a shit about ain't gonna fix our problems.

Oh and Louisiana? 4.6. One Power 5 program. Unless we totally F up and grab Tulane, then 2.

Big 12 reportedly in contact with Colorado, other Four Corner schools

The Big 12 has reportedly been in contact with Colorado

www.yahoo.com

 

[95coug]

Colorado State has been mentioned in another thread as a dubious Pac-12 addition. We already have Colorado, so CSU is redundant.

So let's look at the populations of some states that have 2 Power 5 programs in them. Rounded, and all per Wikipedia.

Washington - 7.7 million
Arizona - 7.1
Colorado - 5.8
S. Carolina - 5.1
Alabama - 5.0
Oregon - 4.2
Oklahoma - 3.9
Utah - 3.3 (2 programs when BYU joins the Big 12)
Iowa - 3.2
Mississippi - 3.0
Kansas - 3.0

Nevada? 3.1 with no Power 5 programs.......
San Diego County? 3.3 with no Power 5 program, and in fact only one D-1 program at all.

Pretty interesting IMHO. My perspective? It's all about eyes on TV, and butts in seats. The West Coast doesn't have them. Fact of life. Adding the big Dallas and New Orleans markets with SMU and Tulane doesn't mean eyes on TVs. Or butts in seats judging from their stadiums which are punier than ours.

Point? Stay the F in our footprint, do what we can to generate more interest. Games in LV and SD, in-league rivalry in Colorado, etc. Taking a stupid flyer on Texas and LA schools that no one gives a shit about ain't gonna fix our problems.

Oh and Louisiana? 4.6. One Power 5 program. Unless we totally F up and grab Tulane, then 2.

Big 12 reportedly in contact with Colorado, other Four Corner schools

The Big 12 has reportedly been in contact with Colorado

www.yahoo.com

What I see from that while SDSU doesn’t necessarily have the audience now, they’ve got a bigger potential market than the other options, in addition to the SoCal presence.

The bulk of the Nevada eyes are in the Vegas market, and they’d be the only game in town, so UNLV is probably next in potential market. Dallas is clearly a larger market, but it’s split between established competitors.

I’d say CSU is 3rd, not because they’re a huge draw, but they’re in footprint and fit the profile. Market-wise, they don’t necessarily bring new but basically cement the Denver market.

I don’t really see that anyone else fits the bill for market, profile, and geography. Nobody checks all the boxes.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

What I see from that while SDSU doesn’t necessarily have the audience now, they’ve got a bigger potential market than the other options, in addition to the SoCal presence.

The bulk of the Nevada eyes are in the Vegas market, and they’d be the only game in town, so UNLV is probably next in potential market. Dallas is clearly a larger market, but it’s split between established competitors.

I’d say CSU is 3rd, not because they’re a huge draw, but they’re in footprint and fit the profile. Market-wise, they don’t necessarily bring new but basically cement the Denver market.

I don’t really see that anyone else fits the bill for market, profile, and geography. Nobody checks all the boxes.

This thread has been dead for a while but I wanted to follow up on the UNLV discussion. The more I think about UNLV, the less that I'm convinced that they are a good idea. I want to start by saying that I own a house in Las Vegas (lived in by family members) and it would be great for me personally if we brought the Rebels into the fold.

The problem that I see is that Las Vegas so far has shown that they root for winners more than anything else. Back when the Running Rebels were great at basketball, their arena was filled and fans were all about the program. Last year, 5,349 per game in an arena that holds 19,500 people. In football, they averaged 50% of capacity in Sam Boyd Stadium before they moved to the Raiders stadium. That was about 17,500 people per game. At Allegiant stadium, they averaged 22,000 which is roughly 1/3rd of capacity. Vegas is a pro sports town filled with transplants and unless UNLV plays good enough to win the conference, their TV market and population are not as relevant as we'd like to think. There's a lot of potential in Vegas, and again, I'd love to see it happening, but I can't see them as viable right now.

Colorado State is intriguing in some ways but they bring zero national appeal. They check some of the other boxes but I just don't see Pac-12 schools (or Big 12 schools) getting excited about them. They are like WSU in many ways, but without any top level success to brag about. Ours is limited, but

FWIW, I do think that the Big 12 is full of crap about the 4 Corner schools. If they were remotely close to getting them to join, they wouldn't be talking to Fresno freakin' State. We have time to get the TV deal worked out in the short term before grabbing teams that don't really help us.

 

[ttowncoug]

I think UNLV, for a lot of reasons, should be an add. I feel like Vegas, the potential NIL money, the location, could be a draw for recruits. Given a bigger conference stage to play on, I think they could be very good overnight.

I think you have to add 14 schools personally. 2 midwest schools so you can have 9am kickoffs for ESPN and programming.

 

[wazzucougs96]

Saying CSU doesn't add anything because we already have CU is the same thing as saying the league doesn't need WSU because it already has UW. Just something to think about.

 

[CougPatrol]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, there are reasons why UNLV is who they are. If they were the goldmine that some people on here believe, the city of Vegas would have cultivated that a long time ago. They haven’t.

Fast forward to the past 5 years when gambling acceptance has become more universally adopted and you still see that UNLV is the same as they’ve always been. The city of Las Vegas isn’t interested in them. No P5 conferences are interested. The only people pushing for them are the fans who like the thought of traveling there.

Someday, with the way collegiate athletics are modeling professional sports, I could see the script completely flip. Casinos will fund the Hell out of UNLV and their NIL program to help lure blue blood programs to Vegas. UNLV could become massive if that happens for all of the wrong reasons.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Saying CSU doesn't add anything because we already have CU is the same thing as saying the league doesn't need WSU because it already has UW. Just something to think about.

FWIW, nobody is talking about adding WSU to their league and when you hear about UW going to the B1G, when's the time that you heard WSU as part of that conversation?

EDIT: FWIW, we bring a lot more to the table than CSU and we aren't good enough for anyone else either.

 

[PeteTheChop]

Interesting topic Loyal1 and good posts by all

Best to worst, how do the following Pac-12 expansion "candidates" rate:

1. A yes vote or a no vote?

2. Ranked from best to worst options

• Boise State
• Colorado State
• Fresno State
• Gonzaga (non-football)
• Nevada
• New Mexico
• Rice
• San Diego State
• SMU
• St. Mary's (non-football)
• Tulane
• UNLV

 

[PeteTheChop]

FWIW, nobody is talking about adding WSU to their league and when you hear about UW going to the B1G, when's the time that you heard WSU as part of that conversation?

EDIT: FWIW, we bring a lot more to the table than CSU and we aren't good enough for anyone else either.

Respectfully disagree Flatster

Tell us how the Big XII expands to 24 (to keep up with the SEC and B1G) without absorbing all of the remaining Pac-12 and ACC schools once the abandonment and poaching has subsided?

WSU and OSU (Corvallis) would be on just about anybody's list of the "Top 72" FBS programs

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Interesting topic Loyal1 and good posts by all

Best to worst, how do the following Pac-12 expansion "candidates" rate:

1. A yes vote or a no vote?

2. Ranked from best to worst options

• Boise State
• Colorado State
• Fresno State
• Gonzaga (non-football)
• Nevada
• New Mexico
• Rice
• San Diego State
• SMU
• St. Mary's (non-football)
• Tulane
• UNLV

I'll bite, since this is my thread.

• Boise State - F no
• Colorado State - maybe
• Fresno State - weak maybe
• Gonzaga (non-football) - F no, not ever
• Nevada - Meh
• New Mexico - Meh
• Rice = No
• San Diego State - Hell yes
• SMU - No!
• St. Mary's (non-football) - F no
• Tulane - No
• UNLV - Yes

 

[PeteTheChop]

I'll bite, since this is my thread.

• Boise State - F no
• Colorado State - maybe
• Fresno State - weak maybe
• Gonzaga (non-football) - F no, not ever
• Nevada - Meh
• New Mexico - Meh
• Rice = No
• San Diego State - Hell yes
• SMU - No!
• St. Mary's (non-football) - F no
• Tulane - No
• UNLV - Yes

God forbid Kliavkoff invites Boise and the Zags

Loyal might go Unabomber

 

[CougInSpain]

Well what about Central WA? Cougatron would endorse that!

 

[COUGinNCW]

How about North Dakota State?
ND is right next to Montana which is only 2 states away from the PACific Ocean!

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

God forbid Kliavkoff invites Boise and the Zags

Loyal might go Unabomber

Loyal is a religious bigot. That seems to be the common denominator in all his "F No" picks, with the exception of Boise State (but southern Idaho is an LDS mecca, so that may explain his bigotry toward BSU). They are all ostensibly "religious" schools. I'm not sure about Rice. They may be another exception.

He just doesn't understand that every single school listed is a "religious" school. Even the so-called secular ones.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Loyal is a religious bigot. That seems to be the common denominator in all his "F No" picks, with the exception of Boise State (but southern Idaho is an LDS mecca, so that may explain his bigotry toward BSU). They are all ostensibly "religious" schools. I'm not sure about Rice. They may be another exception.

He just doesn't understand that every single school listed is a "religious" school. Even the so-called secular ones.

F-you. You know nothing about me. I am not a bigot on any level. Hell I worked for two religion-based schools. My "votes" are based on geographic location (Rice, Tulane, etc.), "TV" appeal and some level of academic prowess (Boise Junior College and Trucking School).

Quit picking fights and the personal attacks and stick to the topics at hand. You are getting as bad as Ya-Coug.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

F-you. You know nothing about me. I am not a bigot on any level. Hell I worked for two religion-based schools. My "votes" are based on geographic location (Rice, Tulane, etc.), "TV" appeal and some level of academic prowess (Boise Junior College and Trucking School).

Quit picking fights and the personal attacks and stick to the topics at hand. You are getting as bad as Ya-Coug.

Lol...I see. So working for two religious-based schools proves that you aren't a religious bigot? Okay.

All the college are the same for undergraduate level. It makes no difference...unless you are an Ivy League school. Then you are part of an elite club that provides advantages that others don't have.

 

[PeteTheChop]

All the college are the same for undergraduate level. It makes no difference...unless you are an Ivy League school. Then you are part of an elite club that provides advantages that others don't have.

Happen,

What are your thoughts about Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt or Rice?

Or MIT, Univ. of Chicago, Caltech, Johns Hopkins, Wash U of St. Louis and Georgetown?

Those are some renowned schools where an undergrad degree might make a difference going forward, right?

 

[whoisyaodaddy]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, there are reasons why UNLV is who they are. If they were the goldmine that some people on here believe, the city of Vegas would have cultivated that a long time ago. They haven’t.

Fast forward to the past 5 years when gambling acceptance has become more universally adopted and you still see that UNLV is the same as they’ve always been. The city of Las Vegas isn’t interested in them. No P5 conferences are interested. The only people pushing for them are the fans who like the thought of traveling there.

Someday, with the way collegiate athletics are modeling professional sports, I could see the script completely flip. Casinos will fund the Hell out of UNLV and their NIL program to help lure blue blood programs to Vegas. UNLV could become massive if that happens for all of the wrong reasons.

I hope so. My daughter graduated from UNLV and I plan to retire there. Would be great to see UNLV powerhouses in bball and football. Thomas & Mack is awesome. In the last 25 years UNLV has added a law school and medical school. F the Tier 1 Research BS. The PAC 12 is crazy not to offer UNLV. Backwards thinking, IMO. WSU should hitch their wagon to the UNLV train and push for entry. Great city, great entertainment....also I never understood why folks think that Las Vegas could not be included in CA recruiting. It's only 3.5 hrs from the LA metro area. I was at the Southpoint for March Madness and a bunch of LA dudes woke up a 4:00 AM and drove to Vegas to bet the opening games on Thursday. They do this multiple times a year. Vegas is growing and and people want to get the hell of SoCal. UNLV UNLV...Go Fight Win!!!

 

[Flatlandcoug]

I hope so. My daughter graduated from UNLV and I plan to retire there. Would be great to see UNLV powerhouses in bball and football. Thomas & Mack is awesome. In the last 25 years UNLV has added a law school and medical school. F the Tier 1 Research BS. The PAC 12 is crazy not to offer UNLV. Backwards thinking, IMO. WSU should hitch their wagon to the UNLV train and push for entry. Great city, great entertainment....also I never understood why folks think that Las Vegas could not be included in CA recruiting. It's only 3.5 hrs from the LA metro area. I was at the Southpoint for March Madness and a bunch of LA dudes woke up a 4:00 AM and drove to Vegas to bet the opening games on Thursday. They do this multiple times a year. Vegas is growing and and people want to get the hell of SoCal. UNLV UNLV...Go Fight Win!!!

I love the enthusiasm. Like I said, I own a house in Vegas and I would go to every Coug football game and at least some of the basketball games if we were playing them. Still, Vegas is a pro sports town right now and I think it's going to be hard for them to be relevant. Never say never though!

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Loyal is a religious bigot. That seems to be the common denominator in all his "F No" picks, with the exception of Boise State (but southern Idaho is an LDS mecca, so that may explain his bigotry toward BSU). They are all ostensibly "religious" schools. I'm not sure about Rice. They may be another exception.

He just doesn't understand that every single school listed is a "religious" school. Even the so-called secular ones.

I'm going to say this as nice as I can...you need to stop. Stop making everything into some type of political argument within almost every thread. A fun and nice discussion is going on and you drop in with unnecessary attacking.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Interesting topic Loyal1 and good posts by all

Best to worst, how do the following Pac-12 expansion "candidates" rate:

1. A yes vote or a no vote?

My ranking from best to worst options

• San Diego State - it's dumb that it hasn't been announced
• Colorado State - not a fan but could live with it
• UNLV - lots of potential but their football has been bad for 20 years running.
• Fresno State - good football but do we need another team from the middle of California?
• SMU - This would be a no brainer if they weren't so far east.
• Nevada - doesn't move the needle and would be a net loss for the conference
• Boise State - living on legends made over 15 years ago. Same as Nevada
• Air Force - I added this one. I like the idea but not sure if a military school makes sense.
• New Mexico - decent basketball tradition. Only three good seasons of football in roughly 25 years. Ouch.
• Tulane - too far away
• Rice - too far away and too irrelevant
• Gonzaga (non-football) - No, no, no, no, no.
• St. Mary's (non-football) - Only one that's a worse idea than Gonzaga

Based on potential, UNLV is the best choice outside of SDSU. They've just been so damned bad for so long, I can't picture them being a TV ratings juggernaut. Still, we need to make a move soon to remain relevant in the conversation. If you aren't growing...you're dying.

At this point, if we can actually get a decent TV deal put together, I'd like to see the conference take a shot at killing the Big 12. What would have made sense would have been for USC to run off to the B1G by themselves and for the Pac-12 to bring in SDSU, SMU and Houston. Two Texas teams would make sense. That ship has sailed though.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Happen,

What are your thoughts about Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt or Rice?

Or MIT, Univ. of Chicago, Caltech, Johns Hopkins, Wash U of St. Louis and Georgetown?

Those are some renowned schools where an undergrad degree might make a difference going forward, right?

CalTech. These guys are great. Smart as hell too.

Great Rose Bowl Hoax - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Pranks

www.admissions.caltech.edu

 

[cr8zyncalif]

SDSU is the obvious #13 but yields an odd number, so you probably want at least 1 and maybe 3 more eventually.

I am not out and out against SMU or Tulane. I could live with the pros and cons. I would not take one without the other. They might make sense as #15 and #16, but not #14. Both have money and solid academics, as well as new media markets. Other than the travel there is nothing not to like, and they would be on the same side of the Mississippi as the rest of their league, which the B12, B10 and SEC cannot claim (slight exaggeration; Tulane is maybe a mile to the east of the river, but it is in a metro area that straddles the river, so good enough on that claim).

FSU for #14? From a media standpoint, given where their alums live (and they have a lot of alums), they are worth more from both a media perspective and also a football tradition perspective than CSU. Over half of the FSU fans I spoke with at the SoFi bowl game were from greater LA. I have a partner who went to FSU at our greater LA business. They are almost as prevalent in the LA basin as Cal alums, but much more passionate about their sports. Culturally their football fan base is more like the SEC than the PAC. I could live with them.

I could also live with UNLV as #14for a completely different set of reasons. You know all the pros. You probably know the cons, as well. They are not a slam dunk choice, but of the available western teams they bring more than all but SDSU and probably FSU.

Nobody has mentioned San Jose State. Yes, they are next door to Cal and Stanford, and that might be an issue. Academically they are probably a bit above FSU; they are the on-campus school for most of Silicon Valley (far more than Stanford and Cal). Their grads are more concentrated in NorCal than FSU, so they would not bring a lot of added fan geography.

I have zero interest in BSU, CSU, Nevada, Air Force, New Mexico, or somebody for hoops only. Rice is not interested in being back in P5 football, so they are out (though they have many other benefits).

Long story short, I could see us eventually with 18 teams:

#13 SDSU
#14 FSU (mostly because I don't want them to eventually end up in the B12)
#15/16 SMU/Tulane
#17/18 UNLV/SJSU

 

[425cougfan]

SDSU is close to a no-brainer.

I am more of a SMU fan than most, mainly because they have a good university, soon will be R1, are expanding the stadium, have a lot of money, and are in a massive market that cares about sports. They're a bit like TCU before it got in the Big 12, IMO. They even are a little bigger. Yeah, they're way down the pecking order in D/FW, but to an extent, that's a chicken and egg issue. If you get Power 5 football in there and let them use their money, you could have not only a decent conference member, but a minor power, on your hands pretty quickly.

The biggest problem with them is they don't make sense on their own without another Texas or other Central time zone team. The Pac-12 should have snared Houston when it could. I don't know whether there is real smoke around Tulane or that's just something people are floating, and I haven't looked into them too greatly. They have increased their athletics budget greatly in recent years to around 2/3 of what WSU's is. That's in line with some other AAC schools that made the Big 12 leap. Just have to wonder why the Big 12 didn't want them if they were willing to invite the other schools they did, when they would fit well with the Big 12. They're a stretch no matter how you look at it. You can squint really hard and picture Texas teams in the Pac-12, but New Orleans is a weird place that's fully in the South and would be horrible for travel.

Not a ton to add regarding the others. UNLV is an odd case. The market is a no-brainer, but they seem to have blown their window with all the pro sports now in town. They could have rode that city's upswing pre-Raiders, A's, and the NBA, but they didn't. Now it's a market any conference should want to be in, but something is holding it back. I'll still be unhappy if the Big 12 gets them, especially since they are in the Pacific time zone, but Kliavkoff was in Vegas for a few years with MGM and dealing extensively with the market and various interests around there. If he isn't pushing for them, there has to be a good reason.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

SDSU is close to a no-brainer.

I am more of a SMU fan than most, mainly because they have a good university, soon will be R1, are expanding the stadium, have a lot of money, and are in a massive market that cares about sports. They're a bit like TCU before it got in the Big 12, IMO. They even are a little bigger. Yeah, they're way down the pecking order in D/FW, but to an extent, that's a chicken and egg issue. If you get Power 5 football in there and let them use their money, you could have not only a decent conference member, but a minor power, on your hands pretty quickly.

The biggest problem with them is they don't make sense on their own without another Texas or other Central time zone team. The Pac-12 should have snared Houston when it could. I don't know whether there is real smoke around Tulane or that's just something people are floating, and I haven't looked into them too greatly. They have increased their athletics budget greatly in recent years to around 2/3 of what WSU's is. That's in line with some other AAC schools that made the Big 12 leap. Just have to wonder why the Big 12 didn't want them if they were willing to invite the other schools they did, when they would fit well with the Big 12. They're a stretch no matter how you look at it. You can squint really hard and picture Texas teams in the Pac-12, but New Orleans is a weird place that's fully in the South and would be horrible for travel.

Not a ton to add regarding the others. UNLV is an odd case. The market is a no-brainer, but they seem to have blown their window with all the pro sports now in town. They could have rode that city's upswing pre-Raiders, A's, and the NBA, but they didn't. Now it's a market any conference should want to be in, but something is holding it back. I'll still be unhappy if the Big 12 gets them, especially since they are in the Pacific time zone, but Kliavkoff was in Vegas for a few years with MGM and dealing extensively with the market and various interests around there. If he isn't pushing for them, there has to be a good reason.

I don't see that he is pushing for anything.......

 

[PeteTheChop]

425, you come across as one of the most educated or academically inclined posters here. Don't you think Rice University would be a quality addition for the Pac? It's a legitimate world class institution, not a pretend one like UO or UW.

The Owls would keep Stanford and UC-Berkeley from fleeing and along with SMU give Commissioner Kliavkoff duel academic anchors/travel partners in the two biggest markets in Texas.

What's not to like?

 

[425cougfan]

425, you come across as one of the most educated or academically inclined posters here. Don't you think Rice University would be a quality addition for the Pac? It's a legitimate world class institution, not a pretend one like UO or UW.

The Owls would keep Stanford and UC-Berkeley from fleeing and along with SMU give Commissioner Kliavkoff duel academic anchors/travel partners in the two biggest markets in Texas.

What's not to like?

Rice is a great university, but I think it just doesn't make sense with current standards for conference admission. It just now is stepping up to the AAC (with UTSA, Charlotte, Florida Atlantic, and Alabama-Birmingham, which gives some context). I don't believe adding Rice would prevent Stanford or Cal from going anywhere, to the extent they otherwise would.

 

[COUGinNCW]

SDSU is the obvious #13 but yields an odd number, so you probably want at least 1 and maybe 3 more eventually.

I am not out and out against SMU or Tulane. I could live with the pros and cons. I would not take one without the other. They might make sense as #15 and #16, but not #14. Both have money and solid academics, as well as new media markets. Other than the travel there is nothing not to like, and they would be on the same side of the Mississippi as the rest of their league, which the B12, B10 and SEC cannot claim (slight exaggeration; Tulane is maybe a mile to the east of the river, but it is in a metro area that straddles the river, so good enough on that claim).

FSU for #14? From a media standpoint, given where their alums live (and they have a lot of alums), they are worth more from both a media perspective and also a football tradition perspective than CSU. Over half of the FSU fans I spoke with at the SoFi bowl game were from greater LA. I have a partner who went to FSU at our greater LA business. They are almost as prevalent in the LA basin as Cal alums, but much more passionate about their sports. Culturally their football fan base is more like the SEC than the PAC. I could live with them.

I could also live with UNLV as #14for a completely different set of reasons. You know all the pros. You probably know the cons, as well. They are not a slam dunk choice, but of the available western teams they bring more than all but SDSU and probably FSU.

Nobody has mentioned San Jose State. Yes, they are next door to Cal and Stanford, and that might be an issue. Academically they are probably a bit above FSU; they are the on-campus school for most of Silicon Valley (far more than Stanford and Cal). Their grads are more concentrated in NorCal than FSU, so they would not bring a lot of added fan geography.

I have zero interest in BSU, CSU, Nevada, Air Force, New Mexico, or somebody for hoops only. Rice is not interested in being back in P5 football, so they are out (though they have many other benefits).

Long story short, I could see us eventually with 18 teams:

#13 SDSU
#14 FSU (mostly because I don't want them to eventually end up in the B12)
#15/16 SMU/Tulane
#17/18 UNLV/SJSU

SDSU is #13? Who are 11 and 12?

 

[VandallHuskerJulie]

CalTech. These guys are great. Smart as hell too.

Great Rose Bowl Hoax - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.admissions.caltech.edu/why-caltech/student-life/traditions-pranks/pranks[/URL

You're right. CalTech students are great and smart as hell. But when it comes to sports they are division 3.

BTW I have the MIT prank shirt, as well as the MIT prank coffee mug (it's black and says MIT The Institute of Technology, but turn Orange and says CalTech, the HOTTER Institute of Technology when you add a hot liquid.)

 

[250vertical]

When you add schools like Boise St., or SDSU, or UNLV, or Fresno st., it drains the PAC 12 per school payout, and equally as bad, it makes the Big 12 look better and better to Arizona and Colorado. It's a balancing act. The reason why SDSU or others have not been added is because KliavKoff does not have numbers yet, and he may not have the votes among the PAC presidents and chancellors, like Scott didn't when he tried to get Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. into the PAC 12. Kliavkoff is obviously having some difficulties wrapping up a media package, and the Arizona presidents comments about not wanting a large streaming percentage has made it more so.
Anyone whose school is or has been in the Big 12 since this current era of realignment began in 2010 knows the signals. It goes like this. When a president, chancellor, or athletic director makes a public statement that goes "We are proud members of the PAC 12, and remain committed to the conference that is part of our history and tradition. However, we will always make decisions that are in the best interest of the University of Name."
When you hear that...they gone.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

When he had that variety show back in the 70's he used to close every show with Boy Named Sue.

SDSU is #13? Who are 11 and 12?

You got me! I forgot for a moment how close we were to April Fool's day!

 

[95coug]

When you add schools like Boise St., or SDSU, or UNLV, or Fresno st., it drains the PAC 12 per school payout, and equally as bad, it makes the Big 12 look better and better to Arizona and Colorado. It's a balancing act. The reason why SDSU or others have not been added is because KliavKoff does not have numbers yet, and he may not have the votes among the PAC presidents and chancellors, like Scott didn't when he tried to get Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. into the PAC 12. Kliavkoff is obviously having some difficulties wrapping up a media package, and the Arizona presidents comments about not wanting a large streaming percentage has made it more so.
Anyone whose school is or has been in the Big 12 since this current era of realignment began in 2010 knows the signals. It goes like this. When a president, chancellor, or athletic director makes a public statement that goes "We are proud members of the PAC 12, and remain committed to the conference that is part of our history and tradition. However, we will always make decisions that are in the best interest of the University of Name."
When you hear that...they gone.

Anyone who doesn’t want streaming in a new media contract is a dinosaur. By the time this contract ends, network packages will be as relevant as the newspaper.

Problem is figuring out how to value and distribute it, since nobody’s ever done it before.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Anyone who doesn’t want streaming in a new media contract is a dinosaur. By the time this contract ends, network packages will be as relevant as the newspaper.

Problem is figuring out how to value and distribute it, since nobody’s ever done it before.

Which brings up another point:
We have infrastructure (kinda) that caters to the 12 teams in the conference as it stands today, whichever teams are invited to the conference need to have the ability to stream in HD as well so as not to bring the quality of the service down. I'm not sure if that is even an issue any longer, but for as long as it took WSU to get a non-shit picture it doesn't seem impossible that other schools might still be behind.

Also, getting a deal that buries the P12N behind a $75/mo paywall shouldn't be an option either. It has to be accessible on a major streaming platform AND/OR ala carte.

 

[95coug]

Which brings up another point:
We have infrastructure (kinda) that caters to the 12 teams in the conference as it stands today, whichever teams are invited to the conference need to have the ability to stream in HD as well so as not to bring the quality of the service down. I'm not sure if that is even an issue any longer, but for as long as it took WSU to get a non-shit picture it doesn't seem impossible that other schools might still be behind.

Also, getting a deal that buries the P12N behind a $75/mo paywall shouldn't be an option either. It has to be accessible on a major streaming platform AND/OR ala carte.

After the PAC-12 network debacle, I think an a la carte option needs to be a requirement.

In the past, I’ve been in favor of a PPV or single-team subscription option, but I’m no longer on board with that. It’s difficult to make that equitable, and there’s really not much reason for a viewer to pursue that model. The pricing for a single team subscription would likely not be significantly less than the full network subscription….so why bother?.

 

[COUGinNCW]

Question regarding Ala carte. It seems like streaming is much more popular with those in their 20s and 30s but most of them that I know are really good at sharing passwords and logins for their services so is the money really there like they may project it or is that getting harder to do?

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

After the PAC-12 network debacle, I think an a la carte option needs to be a requirement.

In the past, I’ve been in favor of a PPV or single-team subscription option, but I’m no longer on board with that. It’s difficult to make that equitable, and there’s really not much reason for a viewer to pursue that model. The pricing for a single team subscription would likely not be significantly less than the full network subscription….so why bother?.

I agree with the ala carte and have thought so since the P12N inception, but I wonder if the streaming providers won't offer distribution if there is an ala carte option? Do you happen to know what the other conference networks are doing? I mean, it might be a moot issue since B12/B10/SEC have Disney so far up their ass it doesn't matter what they do.

 

[95coug]

I agree with the ala carte and have thought so since the P12N inception, but I wonder if the streaming providers won't offer distribution if there is an ala carte option? Do you happen to know what the other conference networks are doing? I mean, it might be a moot issue since B12/B10/SEC have Disney so far up their ass it doesn't matter what they do.

No idea, but seems to me that by definition a streaming model should have minimal restrictions

 

[95coug]

Question regarding Ala carte. It seems like streaming is much more popular with those in their 20s and 30s but most of them that I know are really good at sharing passwords and logins for their services so is the money really there like they may project it or is that getting harder to do?

Interesting point. I’ve heard the services are getting better at restricting their access - and it seems like child’s play to prevent multiple devices to access simultaneously during a broadcast- but I haven’t tested that myself.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Interesting point. I’ve heard the services are getting better at restricting their access - and it seems like child’s play to prevent multiple devices to access simultaneously during a broadcast- but I haven’t tested that myself.

What happened to sitting down in front of the TV, cracking a beer, and watching the damn game?

 

[dgibbons]

Colorado State has been mentioned in another thread as a dubious Pac-12 addition. We already have Colorado, so CSU is redundant.

So let's look at the populations of some states that have 2 Power 5 programs in them. Rounded, and all per Wikipedia.

Washington - 7.7 million
Arizona - 7.1
Colorado - 5.8
S. Carolina - 5.1
Alabama - 5.0
Oregon - 4.2
Oklahoma - 3.9
Utah - 3.3 (2 programs when BYU joins the Big 12)
Iowa - 3.2
Mississippi - 3.0
Kansas - 3.0

Nevada? 3.1 with no Power 5 programs.......
San Diego County? 3.3 with no Power 5 program, and in fact only one D-1 program at all.

Pretty interesting IMHO. My perspective? It's all about eyes on TV, and butts in seats. The West Coast doesn't have them. Fact of life. Adding the big Dallas and New Orleans markets with SMU and Tulane doesn't mean eyes on TVs. Or butts in seats judging from their stadiums which are punier than ours.

Point? Stay the F in our footprint, do what we can to generate more interest. Games in LV and SD, in-league rivalry in Colorado, etc. Taking a stupid flyer on Texas and LA schools that no one gives a shit about ain't gonna fix our problems.

Oh and Louisiana? 4.6. One Power 5 program. Unless we totally F up and grab Tulane, then 2.

Big 12 reportedly in contact with Colorado, other Four Corner schools

The Big 12 has reportedly been in contact with Colorado

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Needed Houston, OK State, Baylor and TTU. Opportunity lost.