Is Rolovich finally in our rear view mirror forever

[UberCougars]

Fvuckerberg just fired all his little fact checkers.

He’s been on quite a PR campaign explaining why.

I’m here to help a fellow Coug in your time of need, Willie. Need links?

Go Cougs!

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Who does most of the "fact checking"? The mainstream media. And what are the vast majority of the members of the MSM? They are liberal. As a group, they are biased, they lean left. Check out the Allsides bias chart at the link provided. Note that one of my most preferred web sites, realclearpolitics.con, is right in the middle. Meanwhile, check out where the biggest media brands, the "most trusted" organizations, the most listened to/watched outfits are-CNN, AP, NYT, Snopes, WaPo, NPR, USA Today......all on the left. They will twist the interpretation to fit the preferred narrative.

Allsides also has a good article about 6 ways that fact checkers are biased, link is below. Very interesting, and generally supports things I have observed from the "fact checkers" over the years. In addition to their 6 identified methods, another one I have seen used vs Trump to pile on the total number of "lies" from him is to take a statement from him that is clearly an opinion and label it as a lie. Obviously a poor methodology. One big example of fact checking bias is how they called the claim false that Obamacare would cause people to lose their doctor. Of course, when it actually started happening Obama was awarded the "Lie of the Year" for saying that people would NOT lost their doctors.

I did a search on "Biggest fact checker mistakes" and there was a big list, of course. So for kicks I decided to go to the one from everyone's favorite source, Fox News, since I hadn't been to their site for a while. Of course, if the thought of going to that site for information makes you nauseous, the list of responses includes ABC, CBS, The Telegraph, and others.


https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/fact-check-bias-chart

https://www.allsides.com/blog/6-ways-fact-checkers-are-biased

The 10 worst fact checks of 2021, and why they matter

2021 marked another year of brazenly slanted media coverage, and the "fact-checking," industry, who've long cast themselves as impartial arbiters of truth, was no exception.

www.foxnews.com

That seems to be an additional good source for evaluating, stretch, thanks! I also like mediabiasfactcheck. A good test on both of these is to test various platforms into their search engine. Their evaluations sure seem to be fair and accurate.

With aggregate sites such as RealClearPolitics it does depend on WHAT you choose to read there as to whether you are getting bias in the stories. But at least they collect a broad perspective and options to read. Taihtsat

 

[Stretch 74]

That seems to be an additional good source for evaluating, stretch, thanks! I also like mediabiasfactcheck. A good test on both of these is to test various platforms into their search engine. Their evaluations sure seem to be fair and accurate.

With aggregate sites such as RealClearPolitics it does depend on WHAT you choose to read there as to whether you are getting bias in the stories. But at least they collect a broad perspective and options to read. Taihtsat

I will have to check out your site also. Thanks.

You certainly are correct about the aggregator sites. It should be obvious, and I am aware of that, but I am sure that many folks are not. A lot of the articles are obvious with a slant/bias just from the title, or from the platform hosting the article/author. I will freely admit that I do read more of the conservative articles than the liberal ones, but it is probably a 60/40 or 65/35 ratio, not 90/10. It IS interesting to read the ones that are a Point/Counterpoint pair.

 

[95coug]

That seems to be an additional good source for evaluating, stretch, thanks! I also like mediabiasfactcheck. A good test on both of these is to test various platforms into their search engine. Their evaluations sure seem to be fair and accurate.

With aggregate sites such as RealClearPolitics it does depend on WHAT you choose to read there as to whether you are getting bias in the stories. But at least they collect a broad perspective and options to read. Taihtsat

I’ve also liked the one you see here: link
It includes not only the political lean, but also a gauge of how much of their reporting is actually factual.

I don’t follow any of them religiously though, each of the ratings charts has its own lean. I’ll read a range of stuff - some of them just for laughs.

It’s worth noting that Facebook and Twitter are not shown…because they’re not news.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

I’ve also liked the one you see here: link
It includes not only the political lean, but also a gauge of how much of their reporting is actually factual.

I don’t follow any of them religiously though, each of the ratings charts has its own lean. I’ll read a range of stuff - some of them just for laughs.

It’s worth noting that Facebook and Twitter are not shown…because they’re not news.

Looks fair to me although I didn't see the Epoch Times. They must have off the grid entirely to the right.

A healthy news diet should be like an actual diet. Stay primarily away from non-nutritional groups and consume a varied diet that is informationally nutritious and helpful. Taihtsat

 

[95coug]

Looks fair to me although I didn't see the Epoch Times. They must have off the grid entirely to the right.

A healthy news diet should be like an actual diet. Stay primarily away from non-nutritional groups and consume a varied diet that is informationally nutritious and helpful. Taihtsat

Yes, stay away from junk food. Physically and mentally.

 

[Stretch 74]

I’ve also liked the one you see here: link
It includes not only the political lean, but also a gauge of how much of their reporting is actually factual.

I don’t follow any of them religiously though, each of the ratings charts has its own lean. I’ll read a range of stuff - some of them just for laughs.

It’s worth noting that Facebook and Twitter are not shown…because they’re not news.

Well, the headline of this link says that I probably won't agree with the chart, and they nailed it. LOL I have seen several charts that pretty much duplicate that chart, and I have a hard time buying it. They show ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, and AP all as being right in the middle, in the Neutral column. When studies of the MSM have shown that Biden got 80+% of positive coverage and Trump got 90-95% negative coverage, there is no frikken way that they are "neutral" sources.

 

[longtimecoug]

Well, the headline of this link says that I probably won't agree with the chart, and they nailed it. LOL I have seen several charts that pretty much duplicate that chart, and I have a hard time buying it. They show ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, and AP all as being right in the middle, in the Neutral column. When studies of the MSM have shown that Biden got 80+% of positive coverage and Trump got 90-95% negative coverage, there is no frikken way that they are "neutral" sources.

Trump get negative coverage bevause he does nothing to generate anything but negativity

 

[95coug]

Well, the headline of this link says that I probably won't agree with the chart, and they nailed it. LOL I have seen several charts that pretty much duplicate that chart, and I have a hard time buying it. They show ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, and AP all as being right in the middle, in the Neutral column. When studies of the MSM have shown that Biden got 80+% of positive coverage and Trump got 90-95% negative coverage, there is no frikken way that they are "neutral" sources.

Well…who did the studies? Fox?

I’m not sure what the measures are, but when you start pulling in this number of media outlets, the major ones are likely to get pushed toward the middle. As a relative measure, even the ABC and CNN nets are less liberal and more factual than, say, New Republic. And on the other side, Fox is less conservative and more factual than Infowars.

I’d agree that ABC & NBC especially should probably be a bit further from center. CBS seems generally a little more even-handed than the other two. I don’t really follow NPR, and AP is heavily subject to local editorializing.

I kind of like BBC Scripps, but they don’t cover everything. Kinds of have to go to more polarized outlets to get much past the biggest stories.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Well…who did the studies? Fox?

I’m not sure what the measures are, but when you start pulling in this number of media outlets, the major ones are likely to get pushed toward the middle. As a relative measure, even the ABC and CNN nets are less liberal and more factual than, say, New Republic. And on the other side, Fox is less conservative and more factual than Infowars.

I’d agree that ABC & NBC especially should probably be a bit further from center. CBS seems generally a little more even-handed than the other two. I don’t really follow NPR, and AP is heavily subject to local editorializing.

I kind of like BBC Scripps, but they don’t cover everything. Kinds of have to go to more polarized outlets to get much past the biggest stories.

I was right there with you until you used Fox News and factual in the same sentence.

I get about 99% of my "news" online, and yes CNN is my first stop. But I roam around. Don't like Fox much because their stuff is mostly video. I don't want to know what some commentator or "news" anchor thinks. I just try to glean facts. What did so-and-so actually say or do? What actually happened in some event/disaster, etc.? Not two or three dipshits blathering and trying to twist whatever it is to meet their specific agenda. And headlines piss me off. Ever click on a headline that says X and the article itself says Y? I do frequently. Grrr

 

[dgibbons]

I’ve also liked the one you see here: link
It includes not only the political lean, but also a gauge of how much of their reporting is actually factual.

I don’t follow any of them religiously though, each of the ratings charts has its own lean. I’ll read a range of stuff - some of them just for laughs.

It’s worth noting that Facebook and Twitter are not shown…because they’re not news.

That’s from 2018. You that’s still accurate?

 

[Stretch 74]

Well…who did the studies? Fox?

I’m not sure what the measures are, but when you start pulling in this number of media outlets, the major ones are likely to get pushed toward the middle. As a relative measure, even the ABC and CNN nets are less liberal and more factual than, say, New Republic. And on the other side, Fox is less conservative and more factual than Infowars.

I’d agree that ABC & NBC especially should probably be a bit further from center. CBS seems generally a little more even-handed than the other two. I don’t really follow NPR, and AP is heavily subject to local editorializing.

I kind of like BBC Scripps, but they don’t cover everything. Kinds of have to go to more polarized outlets to get much past the biggest stories.

That's cute. I know you are just trolling with that question, since I am sure you know that Fox actually leans a bit left.

This particular study was done by Media Research Center, reported by MSNBC, (linked) CNN, FNC, WA Examiner, NY Sun, etc . Allsides and others have done similar takes on coverage bias.

CBS? Wasn't it CBS that had the moderator that broke the debate rules and kept trying to "fact check/correct" Trump while never doing that to Biden? Just coincidence?

MSN

 

[Coug90]

That's cute. I know you are just trolling with that question, since I am sure you know that Fox actually leans a bit left.

This particular study was done by Media Research Center, reported by MSNBC, (linked) CNN, FNC, WA Examiner, NY Sun, etc . Allsides and others have done similar takes on coverage bias.

CBS? Wasn't it CBS that had the moderator that broke the debate rules and kept trying to "fact check/correct" Trump while never doing that to Biden? Just coincidence?

MSN

If you’re telling us fox “leans left” you’re also telling us you’re a fascist…not as though that was ever really a question 😂

As for being fact checked, 30,000+ lies over 4 years, you’re probably more likely to get fact checked 🤷

 

[95coug]

That's cute. I know you are just trolling with that question, since I am sure you know that Fox actually leans a bit left.

This particular study was done by Media Research Center, reported by MSNBC, (linked) CNN, FNC, WA Examiner, NY Sun, etc . Allsides and others have done similar takes on coverage bias.

CBS? Wasn't it CBS that had the moderator that broke the debate rules and kept trying to "fact check/correct" Trump while never doing that to Biden? Just coincidence?

MSN

Not sure. Didn’t watch either debate. Didn’t need to - neither of them was going to say anything they hadn’t said before, and I wasn’t voting for them anyway.

 

[95coug]

I was right there with you until you used Fox News and factual in the same sentence.

I get about 99% of my "news" online, and yes CNN is my first stop. But I roam around. Don't like Fox much because their stuff is mostly video. I don't want to know what some commentator or "news" anchor thinks. I just try to glean facts. What did so-and-so actually say or do? What actually happened in some event/disaster, etc.? Not two or three dipshits blathering and trying to twist whatever it is to meet their specific agenda. And headlines piss me off. Ever click on a headline that says X and the article itself says Y? I do frequently. Grrr

Yeah, it’s pretty easy to scan headlines on CNN and see if there’s anything I want to find info about. CNN’s website has paywalled a lot now, so it’s a lot easier to ignore anything past their front page.