JDL is letting his feelings be known....

[CougEd]

Ed - Hilary said she lost and Trump said he didn't, yet members of both parties cried like babies each time. You seem to forget the host of "No My President" memes and hashtags.

To deny that is just ridiculous. Same thing in 2000. Same thing in Washington with Dino/Gregoire. Go back to Kennedy in 1960.

Both sides do it, both sides cry. Neither side wants to fix the problem. And the beat goes on from the most ardent that they're side is pure as the driven snow and it's always the other party.

History tells us differently.

Good grief … there is a huge difference in saying there was Russian intervention and honoring the will of the people vs dismantling our voting system . Please show me where Hillary said there was voter fraud , that our system .. again our system … could not be trusted .

 

[95coug]

Then we can agree that the problem lies with the party that is actively "circumventing controls" "for their own benefit". Cool. Taihtsat

Yeah. And that's both of them.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Another bad analogy, Flat.

Nobody on the right is saying "we want to take away citizens right to vote." There isn't an underlying threat to voting rights granted to people who are legally entitled, nor is there a legitimate push to completely remove voting rights, from any class of citizen.

There is a real, verbalized threat to the 2nd amendment rights, similar to what Australia did. That slippery slope has roots in actual rhetoric.

It's not a bad analogy. It's exactly the same thing. The GOP loves to paint the discussion as "they're coming for your guns!" and there are certainly a couple lunatics at the fringe that have that goal, but the reality is that even when it comes to common sense laws, they are sabotaged because of the BS "slippery slope" excuse. I love the circle jerk discussion about mass casualty crimes that are committed by clearly insane people. "It's the person, not the gun"......so the left tries to pass a red flag law, "you can't take an insane person's gun away because that's a constitutional right". Rinse and f'ing repeat. FYI, I'm a gun owner and love to shoot, but I find the 2nd amendment crowd's mentality lacking in intellectual integrity.

FWIW, I guarantee that blacks in urban areas watch the GOP gerrymander the sh!t out of maps, close polling places, purge voter rolls, enact new laws to restrict ways to vote and all of the other things that we've seen in the past few years.....you can bet that they feel like they are on a slippery slope.

 

[95coug]

Another bad analogy, Flat.

Nobody on the right is saying "we want to take away citizens right to vote." There isn't an underlying threat to voting rights granted to people who are legally entitled, nor is there a legitimate push to completely remove voting rights, from any class of citizen.

There is a real, verbalized threat to the 2nd amendment rights, similar to what Australia did. That slippery slope has roots in actual rhetoric.

It's not a bad analogy. It's pretty much a mirror image.

The right isn't coming out and saying they're taking away anyone's right to vote (with the exception of some on the fringes). If they did, the courts would have no choice but to throw it out. Instead, they're trying to make it harder for certain people to vote (particularly groups/areas that are reliably left-leaning). They want to create a national voter registry that shows who's where, how reliably they vote, designating exactly where they're allowed to vote, and ideally showing how you vote.

On the flip side, the left (except for some on the fringes) isn't saying they want to take all the guns, they generally target certain types. And they do want to take away all of their target types (but they can do that, because guns can be stereotyped and discriminated against. Guns don't have rights. Yet.) They want a national registry of who has what guns, where, and why.

The left thinks a national registry is good for guns. The right thinks it's an unnecessary, unconstitutional invasion of privacy.
The right thinks a national registry is good for voters. The left thinks it's an unnecessary, unconstitutional invasion of privacy.

Personally, I think both sides are right...and wrong. Both registries would be fine if they only went to a certain point. Problem is that each side wants their registry to go farther than it should, and each side thinks the other is overreaching.

I think the voting issue is basically solved if they just eliminate polling places altogether and make the whole country vote by mail. As long as that is also accompanied by a method that verifies they're only sending ballots to people who should be voting.

 

[425cougfan]

The right to vote and election integrity, including assurance that all legitimate votes are counted and that no tampering or casting of illegitimate votes occurs, is more important than the gun issue. To a significant extent, the latter is a function of the former. Everyone on team blue knows that. Everyone on team red either knows or should know that. If someone else has a gun, that doesn't impact my own rights with respect to bearing arms. If I vote but it's irrelevant due to fraud, there is no analogous concept in the 2A framework.

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

Yay, highest gas prices every recorded in US history.

Thank you Joe Biden for killing the pipelines as your first order of business, really good idea.

Thanks Joe Biden for the increased wheat prices, you're doing a stellar job! Really impressed so far.

 

[CougEd]

Yay, highest gas prices every recorded in US history.

Thank you Joe Biden for killing the pipelines as your first order of business, really good idea.

Thanks Joe Biden for the increased wheat prices, you're doing a stellar job! Really impressed so far.

Under normal circumstances you know what the beauty would be… we vote that person out . But in 2020 showed us if you get your ass whipped that just make baseless claims of fraud .

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

Under normal circumstances you know what the beauty would be… we vote that person out . But in 2020 showed us if you get your ass whipped that just make baseless claims of fraud .

Biden is garbage. You owe me gas money.

 

[Coug1990]

Yay, highest gas prices every recorded in US history.

Thank you Joe Biden for killing the pipelines as your first order of business, really good idea.

Thanks Joe Biden for the increased wheat prices, you're doing a stellar job! Really impressed so far.

Wheat is sold on the world market. The number one wheat producer in the world is Russia. The number five wheat producer is Ukraine.

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

Wheat is sold on the world market. The number one wheat producer in the world is Russia. The number five wheat producer is Ukraine.

K? And? Trump would never have let whatever is going on in Ukraine right now happen. Just sayin'

 

[CougInSpain]

FWIW, I guarantee that blacks in urban areas watch the GOP gerrymander the sh!t out of maps, close polling places, purge voter rolls, enact new laws to restrict ways to vote and all of the other things that we've seen in the past few years.....you can bet that they feel like they are on a slippery slope.

This part of your post is absolutely hilarious. Gerrymandering happens far more often in blue states than anywhere in the country. And please provide factual evidence (key word being factual and not hyperbolic) of all this happening in black urban areas. Otherwise, you're full of sh!t and only looking to further you lunatic leftist agenda.

 

[CougPatrol]

We don’t need no stinking John Wayne wannabes.

But we need progressive democratic policy? We need homeless encampments? We need to be arguing gender fluidity?

Guns are here to stay in America, like them or not.

 

[Stretch 74]

Wheat is sold on the world market. The number one wheat producer in the world is Russia. The number five wheat producer is Ukraine.

I feel bad for the American farmers. Their fuel costs have doubled and their fertilizer costs have tripled. And God forbid they would need to replace a tractor or combine now.

 

[FnuLnu]

But we need progressive democratic policy? We need homeless encampments? We need to be arguing gender fluidity?

Guns are here to stay in America, like them or not.

You need to be governed by someone who is too old to coach WSU football or drive their kids school bus.
A House leader whose brother was Baltimore mayor while Spiro Agnew was Maryland governor and accepting bribes. Whose father entered the Maryland legislature 96 years ago to enrich himself.

A gender fluid Paul Wulff would have quashed message board negativity.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

It's not a bad analogy. It's pretty much a mirror image.

The right isn't coming out and saying they're taking away anyone's right to vote (with the exception of some on the fringes). If they did, the courts would have no choice but to throw it out. Instead, they're trying to make it harder for certain people to vote (particularly groups/areas that are reliably left-leaning). They want to create a national voter registry that shows who's where, how reliably they vote, designating exactly where they're allowed to vote, and ideally showing how you vote.

On the flip side, the left (except for some on the fringes) isn't saying they want to take all the guns, they generally target certain types. And they do want to take away all of their target types (but they can do that, because guns can be stereotyped and discriminated against. Guns don't have rights. Yet.) They want a national registry of who has what guns, where, and why.

The left thinks a national registry is good for guns. The right thinks it's an unnecessary, unconstitutional invasion of privacy.
The right thinks a national registry is good for voters. The left thinks it's an unnecessary, unconstitutional invasion of privacy.

Personally, I think both sides are right...and wrong. Both registries would be fine if they only went to a certain point. Problem is that each side wants their registry to go farther than it should, and each side thinks the other is overreaching.

I think the voting issue is basically solved if they just eliminate polling places altogether and make the whole country vote by mail. As long as that is also accompanied by a method that verifies they're only sending ballots to people who should be voting.

So you discount the fringe on the left when its inconvenient to your point, but use the fringe on the right as the basis for everything that's wrong with that side of the aisle.

 

[CougEd]

K? And? Trump would never have let whatever is going on in Ukraine right now happen. Just sayin'

I have heard that one too. Why, because he kissed Putin’s ass so much Putin felt indebted? Tell me in your life time what presidents have sided with a Russian dictator who has nukes pointed at us vs his own intelligence agency . “I don’t know why he would lie”. Good grief .

So is it fair to say you value lower gas prices over a democratic process of voting ?

 

[CougEd]

So you discount the fringe on the left when its inconvenient to your point, but use the fringe on the right as the basis for everything that's wrong with that side of the aisle.

Well getting harder and harder to tell the moderates and the fringe right . It is trumps party and they will delve into the fringe just not to anger him .

 

[kougkurt]

Well getting harder and harder to tell the moderates and the fringe right . It is trumps party and they will delve into the fringe just not to anger him .

Ed, Aren’t you in Hawaii. Just wondering

 

[CougEd]

Ed, Aren’t you in Hawaii. Just wondering

I am… in conference and not listening to guest speaker 😜 Waiting to get to beach at noon our time .

 

[WillieThePimp]

But we need progressive democratic policy? We need homeless encampments? We need to be arguing gender fluidity?

Odd non sequiturs. This is what happens when you’ve allowed yourself to be brainwashed into a binary worldview of conservative vs liberal, republican vs democrat, left vs right.

 

[95coug]

Odd non sequiturs. This is what happens when you’ve allowed yourself to be brainwashed into a binary worldview of conservative vs liberal, republican vs democrat, left vs right.

This board has had a binary worldview for decades. Brink/Swogger, Doba/Wulff, Wulff/Leach, Falk/Hilinski, etc. And threads like this one show that more and more, our world is conservative vs liberal, republican vs democrat, left vs right...or at least it seems to be, because those are the things that get press. The middle and the moderate are either completely drowned out, or so frustrated they've disengaged.

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

haahahahahahahahah

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

I have heard that one too. Why, because he kissed Putin’s ass so much Putin felt indebted? Tell me in your life time what presidents have sided with a Russian dictator who has nukes pointed at us vs his own intelligence agency . “I don’t know why he would lie”. Good grief .

So is it fair to say you value lower gas prices over a democratic process of voting ?

When did Trump punish the American citizens to also punish Russia or any other foreign power?

 

[CougEd]

When did Trump punish the American citizens to also punish Russia or any other foreign power?

Tariffs. Covid . May I ask what you think the answer is in Ukraine ? What do you believe trump would do … ?

 

[CougInSpain]

Odd non sequiturs. This is what happens when you’ve allowed yourself to be brainwashed into a binary worldview of conservative vs liberal, republican vs democrat, left vs right.

This is comical coming from the likes of you.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

K? And? Trump would never have let whatever is going on in Ukraine right now happen. Just sayin'

Honestly curious....what do you think that the Cheeto would have done to keep Russia out of Ukraine?

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

Tariffs. Covid . May I ask what you think the answer is in Ukraine ? What do you believe trump would do … ?

Trump started covid? What's wrong with Tariffs? The US has the leverage, use it. Art of the deal.

Honestly curious....what do you think that the Cheeto would have done to keep Russia out of Ukraine?

Told the nazi groups in Ukraine to stop murdering Russians at the border for starters

 

[WillieThePimp]

Told the nazi groups in Ukraine to stop murdering Russians at the border for starters

If there’s one thing Charlottesville taught us it’s that Nazis love Trump and Trump loves him some Nazis so there’s little doubt that Nazis would be more than happy to do Trump’s bidding.

 

[CougEd]

Trump started covid? What's wrong with Tariffs? The US has the leverage, use it. Art of the deal.


Told the nazi groups in Ukraine to stop murdering Russians at the border for starters

Did he start it ? Nope. He denied it . Nothing wrong with tariffs but when you place a tariff ina good it makes that good more expensive. Do you know why it is unlikely China would ever lose a tariff war?

what deal did trump make when he was in the white house that would be the art of the deal. Covid response? The wall? health care?

And you believe that is what would have kept Putin out of Ukraine ?

 

[anon_1nb5kgc7kwlls]

Did he start it ? Nope. He denied it . Nothing wrong with tariffs but when you place a tariff ina good it makes that good more expensive. Do you know why it is unlikely China would ever lose a tariff war?

what deal did trump make when he was in the white house that would be the art of the deal. Covid response? The wall? health care?

And you believe that is what would have kept Putin out of Ukraine ?

He denied it by cutting off transportation to and from China and being called Xenophobic by your shitty news source?

 

[CougPatrol]

Always have have to start with this disclaimer, I didn’t vote for Trump. With that said, I don’t think Russia would have pulled this stunt with Trump in office. We would have already joined the fight with Ukraine had Trump been around, and Putin knows it.

 

[CougEd]

He denied it by cutting off transportation to and from China and being called Xenophobic by

Always have have to start with this disclaimer, I didn’t vote for Trump. With that said, I don’t think Russia would have pulled this stunt with Trump in office. We would have already joined the fight with Ukraine had Trump been around, and Putin knows it.

Wait … I have heard more valid reasons why if trump was prez why Putin wouldn’t have invaded. But not because Trump would go to war. Trump was an isolationist. He made it clear he didn’t care about NATO . And he has made it clear he wouldn’t have joined in that fight .
Second Trump thought it was brilliant that Putin went into Ukraine. Thought it is a good real estate deal .

Trump is a pussy. Just like when he told the crowd on the 6th to join him in the walk to the Capitol building. Look where he was … eating popcorn and watching tv.

 

[CougPatrol]

Wait … I have heard more valid reasons why if trump was prez why Putin wouldn’t have invaded. But not because Trump would go to war. Trump was an isolationist. He made it clear he didn’t care about NATO . And he has made it clear he wouldn’t have joined in that fight .

That's another big reason why this wouldn't have happened with Trump in office. Right out of the gate, he would have loudly declared that Ukraine will never be a member of NATO Then, in Trump fashion, he would have gone on to say that if Russia proceeds with the invasion, they are going to see a military response that they've never experienced before. I mean, it will be such a response...with bombs and tanks...you won't believe it.

 

[CougEd]

That's another big reason why this wouldn't have happened with Trump in office. Right out of the gate, he would have loudly declared that Ukraine will never be a member of NATO Then, in Trump fashion, he would have gone on to say that if Russia proceeds with the invasion, they are going to see a military response that they've never experienced before. I mean, it will be such a response...with bombs and tanks...you won't believe it.

Oh good grief … Trump thought it was a good real estate deal . He would believe Putin and that he had to go into Ukraine because “why would Putin lie to me”. Everyone knows trump is i Putin’s back pocket . He held off for five months giving Ukraine their aid which he was eventually impeached over .

He would be more likely to invade Mexico than go against Russia and start world war 3.

Please don’t pretend trump is Ronald Reagan . He wouldn’t even walk to the. capitol like he told the crowd he would.

 

[Glad Cougar]

....and furthermore, I also think JDL's instagram post was the sign of immaturity.

Oops, am I off topic?

Glad Cougar

 

[BiggsCoug]

....and furthermore, I also think JDL's instagram post was the sign of immaturity.

Oops, am I off topic?

Glad Cougar

Jdl is better than these dipshits that fall all over themselves to type politics.

 

[CougPatrol]

Oh good grief … Trump thought it was a good real estate deal . He would believe Putin and that he had to go into Ukraine because “why would Putin lie to me”. Everyone knows trump is i Putin’s back pocket . He held off for five months giving Ukraine their aid which he was eventually impeached over .

He would be more likely to invade Mexico than go against Russia and start world war 3.

Please don’t pretend trump is Ronald Reagan . He wouldn’t even walk to the. capitol like he told the crowd he would.

You don’t believe that nonsense ED. Good God. The GOP would have handled this situation infinitely better than what we’re seeing now. You know that.

 

[CougPatrol]

Jdl is better than these dipshits that fall all over themselves to type politics.

That’s a straight up fact right there. The level of political acumen on here is embarrassing.

 

[FnuLnu]

That’s a straight up fact right there. The level of political acumen on here is embarrassing.

"You have no idea the level of damage Bill Doba left behind for the program and the country"

 

[95coug]

You don’t believe that nonsense ED. Good God. The GOP would have handled this situation infinitely better than what we’re seeing now. You know that.

I think you give the GOP too much credit. They haven’t handled any situation as a group in a long time.

This one really should be pretty simple. Putin said they had to take Ukraine to prevent having a NATO country on Russia’s border. That’s probably a lie, but fine…tell him that Ukraine is no longer invited. If he’s telling the truth, that should end the invasion.

Of course, he’s lying. And even if he takes Ukraine, he’ll then have 4 NATO countries on his border (Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland). What then?