Missiles into Russia
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Do you believe the Ukrainians are fighting Russia against their own will? Are they being forced to defend their country?
Ukraine war: Conscription squads send Ukrainian men into hiding
Public transport, cafes and supermarkets are now off limits to men trying to avoid being enlisted.
bbc.com
yes?
Well it does seem to be getting more grim. Found a poll that rates 52% in favor of a negotiated settlement. I suppose it would depend on what that settlement detailed.Ukraine war: Conscription squads send Ukrainian men into hiding
Public transport, cafes and supermarkets are now off limits to men trying to avoid being enlisted.
yes?
Prior to the last 6 months it was less in favor.
Having said all that, it isn't unusual historically to force service amongst those able to serve, especially when your country had been invaded, let alone attacked. Taihtsat
The US has had multiple military drafts, forcing people into service. Especially poor people.
It’s not a new idea or a new practice, and not something anyone should criticize Ukraine over.
The US also "drafted" a bunch of immigrants into camps where they were forced to remain for the duration of the war. Relatives of people I grew up with!
Just a quick reminder for all the "Trump is a Nazi/authoritarian" folks out there, that authoritarian president was a Democrat.
Rounding them up and sending the. To camps may not have even been the worst part. Most of them lost their homes, properties, and businesses too. Some were able to sell them - usually for far below actual value - but most got no compensation.
And, while it’s broadly accepted that it was a serious injustice, I have little doubt that we’d do the same thing again.
In my area many of them were farmers, especially strawberries. I think some of them had neighbors that keep farming their land and they retained it after the war, but I know that wasn't universal.
My first real girl friend was from one of those families.
Ukraine was ready to sign a peace deal twice in the spring of 2022. The UK and the US said to keep fighting. Now they’re being provided enough equipment to not lose, and not enough equipment to actually win. Now there’s several hundred thousand dead Ukrainians.
Is that enough repetition for you?
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The vast majority of those folks were American citizens. They just happened to look like the enemy.
FWIW, I'm not mad about the taxes I pay. I don't like them...but I understand. What I hate is the hypocrisy and lies about what the tax cuts are doing and who they benefit and I don't like paying extra taxes while others (including the truly wealthy) get tax cuts. If everyone paid their fair share...I'd feel better.
I will say that I do get a chuckle out of hearing my cousin bitch about taxes when my wife and I pay more in taxes than he and his wife make in a year.
Weird... some people willing to for their freedom . Like the folks that jumped in the water at Normandy with German gunfire pointed down at them on D Day....
Why do you hate freedom so much?
Willing to what? Get used as cannon fodder?
The Ukraine International Legion is looking for volunteers between ages 18 and 60.
Again, not sure why you hate peace and freedom so much. I am think if it was 1945 all over again, you would be the first to wave the white flag...
And as smart as you think you are, ever figure out the riddle of what I thought about Joe and Mika going to Mara Lago? Since you aren't capable I will give you a hint...pretty similar to the way I felt about Donald Trump walking on to North Korean soil.
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Ukraine was ready to sign a peace deal twice in the spring of 2022
False. There was no “twice” this was one ongoing set of negotiations that moved locations and no agreement was ever made. The Ukrainian position required military responses from NATO countries when Russia resumed its hostilities - which would be all but guaranteed if NATO had agreed to Ukraine’s terms. Was never going to happen.
There is also no evidence Russia was negotiating in good faith or would agree to the terms.
The UK and the US said to keep fighting
Complete BS. Never happened. Except in the FOX universe which has clearly addled your brain.
The talks effectively ended when evidence of Russian war atrocities came to light.
I don't hate peace or freedom. I do hate wars that are pointless because they weaken our country. I also hate your butchery of the English language. It's not 1945. It's not 1939. And it's not 1983 where you seem to be stuck. I get that it must be hard realizing that your source of news and information has been shamelessly lying to you for ratings.
If you care about peace and freedom, you've certainly allowed yourself to be distracted. China is the pacing threat for the US military.
Ok, I'll bite. So what do you think the US should do about China? Militarily, politically, economically? I know you are a bright guy. You actually posted something thoughtful a couple days ago (I replied in kind). I have opined on this. Strangle them economically, knowing that it will cause pain for our export goods (soybeans, etc.). Force US companies to pull out of China and/or tariff the shit out of them. I know this is laughable, but how about we force our stores to carve out "made in China" sections, and all Chinese-made goods must be placed there? That would be pretty funny.
Oh, look at this. Did you find a wikipedia page? At least you're trying now instead of resorting to your usual name calling. But you're still wrong. Carefully read what Arakhamia said. He's the guy that was actually negotiating on Ukraine's behalf. A bit of an antisemite but he's be in a position to know what's he's talking about.
And, of course, are you going to provide links?
