Mountain West doesn't want us

[Loyal Coug1]

Why Mountain West interest in long-term relationship with Oregon State, Washington State may be waning

The Mountain West has leverage on its side entering this season under a scheduling agreement with the Pac-12 holdovers

www.cbssports.com

Oh the drunk cute gal will be waiting at the bar for us. Uh huh.

And Teresa Gould is officially an idiot. "If and when and if those conversations EVER take place?" So there has been NO conversation with the Mtn West? WTF. We are F-ed.

"I don't know if the Mountain West thinks they need these two schools, honestly," Gould said. "I would imagine If and when those conversations ever take place it's going to be based in part on the economics of the decision and what they bring to the table."

 

[Wazzubrooz]

Unless the ACC starts to unravel fairly soon, the Cougs are gonna need a life raft. There is not a lot going forward at this pace.

 

[mikalalas]

Unless the ACC starts to unravel fairly soon, the Cougs are gonna need a life raft. There is not a lot going forward at this pace.

Yeah, unless the ACC unravels, WSU, OSU, either need to take the 6 best MWC programs, at a cost of either $120 million, out of 265 million war chest, or negotiated to about, around 65 to 100 million, instead of pussy footing, waiting around, etc, and having to pay 36 million per team, that they can't afford, and so won't pay, and get caught holding the bag again, OR taking the TOP 9 MWC in a FREE, cost nothing Reverse Merger with PAC, under the PAC brand.

If WSU, OSU, PAC waits too long, they probably will be stuck with nowhere good, ok to go, etc.

That said the article is incorrect about the MWC, because the MWC needs to merge, join the PAC, under the PAC brand, etc, in order to be the 4th, or 5th best FBS, Conference behind SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC(If it survives, remains a POWER 4 conference), so WSU, OSU, PAC leadership, can use that as leverage. The fact is, that WSU, OSU, PAC, best of the MWC, need each other, and need to reverse merge under the PAC brand.

 

[Meister_Rebel]

I have to wonder if Boyzee is trying to squeeze you out. They get extra media revenue money over every other MWC school and they don't have to compete with you for a coveted CFP spot. I would love to get rid of them.

Nobody cares what I think but I want all your sports in the MW. Women's basketball is going to be generating a lot more revenue in the future and your competition in the MWC will make UNLV stronger or at least get us a higher seed in the Tourney.
I hope we can still get this worked out to merge or join us.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I have to wonder if Boyzee is trying to squeeze you out. They get extra media revenue money over every other MWC school and they don't have to compete with you for a coveted CFP spot. I would love to get rid of them.

Nobody cares what I think but I want all your sports in the MW. Women's basketball is going to be generating a lot more revenue in the future and your competition in the MWC will make UNLV stronger or at least get us a higher seed in the Tourney.
I hope we can still get this worked out to merge or join us.

Well that is an interesting take. With some merit. I suppose the top MW teams could all want to lock the Pac-2 out because we would compete for the coveted CFP spot. This might be interesting. The "bottom feeder" MW schools that the Pac-2 supposedly doesn't want might end up being the ones that we rely on to lobby for us to the benefit of both.

 

[SaveFerris]

That sounds like they know the MW isn’t #1 or 2 on the Pac2’s list or the Pac2 would split up the MW if a “merger” took place leaving some MW schools behind.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

That sounds like they know the MW isn’t #1 or 2 on the Pac2’s list or the Pac2 would split up the MW if a “merger” took place leaving some MW schools behind.

No buddy, what it means is they are sick of that exact attitude and are starting to go "F you Pac-2", leave yourselves without chairs when the music stops. They already know that the stupid Pac-2 and totally incompetent Presidents and Commissioners are waiting for the Big-12 or ACC. NEITHER OF WHICH IS GOING TO HAPPEN. What are we going to do when they say, meh, we don't want or need Year 2 of your scheduling agreement, and we are scrambling to put together a FB schedule.

 

[UberCougars]

Fellas, relax.

Anne McCoy is on the case.

She’s got this!

 

[Meister_Rebel]

No buddy, what it means is they are sick of that exact attitude and are starting to go "F you Pac-2", leave yourselves without chairs when the music stops. They already know that the stupid Pac-2 and totally incompetent Presidents and Commissioners are waiting for the Big-12 or ACC. NEITHER OF WHICH IS GOING TO HAPPEN. What are we going to do when they say, meh, we don't want or need Year 2 of your scheduling agreement, and we are scrambling to put together a FB schedule.

Ouch. But, at the end of the day we still currently get about $4 million per school of media revenue annually. $12 million from the Pac-2 for the second year still gives each of our MW schools a million bucks. We aren't going to turn down a million bucks. Now what happens after that is anyone's guess.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Ouch. But, at the end of the day we still currently get about $4 million per school of media revenue annually. $12 million from the Pac-2 for the second year still gives each of our MW schools a million bucks. We aren't going to turn down a million bucks. Now what happens after that is anyone's guess.

Ouch is right. BTW Meister, glad you found our temporary location. You like how the bots have taken over the FB board, and are now hovering over this one? WSU gets no respect from anyone anymore. No respect at all. We should change our name to Rodney Dangerfield U.

We might just have to bring the whole WW gang over to your site and pollute it. Better warn your moderators, quite a few posters will need to be banned immediately. I can provide an initial list.

 

[Coug90]

Fellas, relax.

Anne McCoy is on the case.

She’s got this!

I heard Anne McCoy was a last minute fill in for the SS the other night. It’s all over Twitter.

Sorry couldn’t resist…carry on everyone.

 

[SaveFerris]

No buddy, what it means is they are sick of that exact attitude and are starting to go "F you Pac-2", leave yourselves without chairs when the music stops. They already know that the stupid Pac-2 and totally incompetent Presidents and Commissioners are waiting for the Big-12 or ACC. NEITHER OF WHICH IS GOING TO HAPPEN. What are we going to do when they say, meh, we don't want or need Year 2 of your scheduling agreement, and we are scrambling to put together a FB schedule.

Don’t agree, but regardless it’s too soon for the Pac2 to go with MW. Keeping options open and not getting stuck in a less than optimal deal when there still is a lot in motion is the better strategy at this point.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Don’t agree, but regardless it’s too soon for the Pac2 to go with MW. Keeping options open and not getting stuck in a less than optimal deal when there still is a lot in motion is the better strategy at this point.

What F-ing options? We don't have any. No one wants us, and now the MW doesn't want us. Less than optimal deal? There are no deals out there. The Pac-2 is f-ed and are too stupid and self-serving (Teresa Gould specifically) to get it. There is nothing in motion.

 

[SaveFerris]

What F-ing options? We don't have any. No one wants us, and now the MW doesn't want us. Less than optimal deal? There are no deals out there. The Pac-2 is f-ed and are too stupid and self-serving (Teresa Gould specifically) to get it. There is nothing in motion.

The Big 12 is waiting for the ACC implodes. They then go after east coast schools to pair with their current east coast programs. The ACC then will need to figure out how to remain a conference. WSU/OSU and maybe other MW schools could pair with Stanford/Cal/SMU for travel. If none of the above happens the Big 12 (ESPN) could go after Pac2.

Is it probable WSU has a seat somewhere? I doubt it, but there is no point at the moment signing on for a "G5" conference even if that's is ultimately our best option. That option will remain regardless of what the MW Commission is saying. It's ridiculous the MW wouldn't be interested in us. More likely there are programs that would reverse merge into the Pac2. We have our challenges, but as institutions we aren't a "weak" institution in the MW.

 

[Coug90]

The Big 12 is waiting for the ACC implodes. They then go after east coast schools to pair with their current east coast programs. The ACC then will need to figure out how to remain a conference. WSU/OSU and maybe other MW schools could pair with Stanford/Cal/SMU for travel. If none of the above happens the Big 12 (ESPN) could go after Pac2.

Is it probable WSU has a seat somewhere? I doubt it, but there is no point at the moment signing on for a "G5" conference even if that's is ultimately our best option. That option will remain regardless of what the MW Commission is saying. It's ridiculous the MW wouldn't be interested in us. More likely there are programs that would reverse merge into the Pac2. We have our challenges, but as institutions we aren't a "weak" institution in the MW.

I think we still have a bit of time on our side too. The money will flow in till 2026 I believe. ACC will implode by then and we will probably have more clarity on where we stand. Until then don’t think we will have a problem filling up the schedule w mountain W schools, we draw eyeballs every one of them should have an interest in scheduling a game w us.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

What F-ing options? We don't have any. No one wants us, and now the MW doesn't want us. Less than optimal deal? There are no deals out there. The Pac-2 is f-ed and are too stupid and self-serving (Teresa Gould specifically) to get it. There is nothing in motion.

I get your concerns but the reality is that regardless of what the MWC leadership says, WSU and Oregon State bring value to their brand.

That said, this season is going to tell us a lot about WSU and OSU's brand strength. In the past 10 years, we consistently had better TV ratings than ASU, UA, Stanford and Cal. Will people watch WSU and OSU on the CW? If we can stay in the Top 70 overall (we were #43 in 2023), we would still be the strongest TV brand in the MWC if we were part of that group.

If we play great and have a good season, we could end up being desirable to the Big 12 and others. When you look at the ACC, Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Miami and Louisville are the only teams that drew more TV eyes than WSU in the past. If we can stay relevant in the short term, we could be well positioned. And frankly, if we suck, there's always going to be a spot in the MWC...not matter what they say.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

The Big 12 is waiting for the ACC implodes. They then go after east coast schools to pair with their current east coast programs. The ACC then will need to figure out how to remain a conference. WSU/OSU and maybe other MW schools could pair with Stanford/Cal/SMU for travel. If none of the above happens the Big 12 (ESPN) could go after Pac2.

Is it probable WSU has a seat somewhere? I doubt it, but there is no point at the moment signing on for a "G5" conference even if that's is ultimately our best option. That option will remain regardless of what the MW Commission is saying. It's ridiculous the MW wouldn't be interested in us. More likely there are programs that would reverse merge into the Pac2. We have our challenges, but as institutions we aren't a "weak" institution in the MW.

Ok, whatever you guys say. All is well. The ACC is on the verge of implosion. And has been for the last 3 years.

I can't believe that I am the only one concerned that our lame Commissioner apparently has not talked to the MW at all. To repeat her direct quote:

"I don't know if the Mountain West thinks they need these two schools, honestly," Gould said. "I would imagine If and when those conversations ever take place it's going to be based in part on the economics of the decision and what they bring to the table."

 

[Meister_Rebel]

I get your concerns but the reality is that regardless of what the MWC leadership says, WSU and Oregon State bring value to their brand.

That said, this season is going to tell us a lot about WSU and OSU's brand strength. In the past 10 years, we consistently had better TV ratings than ASU, UA, Stanford and Cal. Will people watch WSU and OSU on the CW? If we can stay in the Top 70 overall (we were #43 in 2023), we would still be the strongest TV brand in the MWC if we were part of that group.

If we play great and have a good season, we could end up being desirable to the Big 12 and others. When you look at the ACC, Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Miami and Louisville are the only teams that drew more TV eyes than WSU in the past. If we can stay relevant in the short term, we could be well positioned. And frankly, if we suck, there's always going to be a spot in the MWC...not matter what they say.

That CBS article is disappointing. These guys say that the additional media value to the MW is 10 - 15%. If that is true then the scheduling agreement will give us more money than merging. I can't see any motivation to add the Pac-2 or even Reverse Merge as the media value just isn't that significant. If it isn't that significant for us it probably isn't that significant for the ACC or B12. I never expected to hear that low of a value. If all that is true then the MWC should stay as is. Our chances for our top MW programs have a better shot at the CFP without the Pac2.

This is not where I thought we would be at today. I've always supported the reverse merger.

 

[95coug]

I have a hard time believing the 10-15% number. In 2023, OSU was #20 in average viewership, WSU was #43. The top MWC program - Colorado State - was #51. Boise State - who's been forcing the rest of the conference to pay them for their supposed strength of draw - was #74...which was still #2 in the MWC. WSU/OSU are likely to drop when they're not playing against the Pac-12, but how far remains to be seen...and I'm comfortable with assuming that both of us have a stronger national draw than any current MWC team.

However....whatever our drawing power is, it needs to translate to dollars, because that's the only thing that matters. And, the dollar value needs to be enough to create a meaningful increase in the money that goes to each member of a new conference. If it's all 12, then the figure when divided by 14 needs to be at least a couple million higher than it is now, or it's not enough. Going a little further...the teams that have convinced themselves that they're the strength of the MWC (looking at you, BSU) really have very little reason to want us joining if it's not a decent financial bump. Why would they want the competition otherwise?

My guess is the merger only becomes a no-brainer if the per-team payout goes up by $5M. Multiplied by 14, that means an increase in contract value of at least $70M per year. I'm not sure WSU/OSU bring that. A per-team increase of $2M ($28M contract value) seems feasible...but is that enough? I'm not sure.

Of course, if it's not all 12 of the current MWC teams, the math changes, but I think the per-term distribution values are key.

Extending the same logic....if we don't bring enough value to be a no-brainer for the MWC, we won't bring enough value to the Big 12 or ACC either.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I have a hard time believing the 10-15% number. In 2023, OSU was #20 in average viewership, WSU was #43. The top MWC program - Colorado State - was #51. Boise State - who's been forcing the rest of the conference to pay them for their supposed strength of draw - was #74...which was still #2 in the MWC. WSU/OSU are likely to drop when they're not playing against the Pac-12, but how far remains to be seen...and I'm comfortable with assuming that both of us have a stronger national draw than any current MWC team.

However....whatever our drawing power is, it needs to translate to dollars, because that's the only thing that matters. And, the dollar value needs to be enough to create a meaningful increase in the money that goes to each member of a new conference. If it's all 12, then the figure when divided by 14 needs to be at least a couple million higher than it is now, or it's not enough. Going a little further...the teams that have convinced themselves that they're the strength of the MWC (looking at you, BSU) really have very little reason to want us joining if it's not a decent financial bump. Why would they want the competition otherwise?

My guess is the merger only becomes a no-brainer if the per-team payout goes up by $5M. Multiplied by 14, that means an increase in contract value of at least $70M per year. I'm not sure WSU/OSU bring that. A per-team increase of $2M ($28M contract value) seems feasible...but is that enough? I'm not sure.

Of course, if it's not all 12 of the current MWC teams, the math changes, but I think the per-term distribution values are key.

Extending the same logic....if we don't bring enough value to be a no-brainer for the MWC, we won't bring enough value to the Big 12 or ACC either.

It appears that (according to the Aztec Mesa board patrons) SDSU doesn't want WSU either and they think the ACC or Big-12 will come for them before us. Now I'm sure AD Wicker has a different opinion of WSU.

 

[95coug]

It appears that (according to the Aztec Mesa board patrons) SDSU doesn't want WSU either and they think the ACC or Big-12 will come for them before us. Now I'm sure AD Wicker has a different opinion of WSU.

I don't think the ACC is coming for anyone. As soon as FSU & Clemson escape, the rest of the ACC will implode.

I would not be surprised to see SDSU get picked above us though. The fact that they draw dick is irrelevant, the only thing the media people look at is market...and theirs is several times what ours is.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

I have a hard time believing the 10-15% number. In 2023, OSU was #20 in average viewership, WSU was #43. The top MWC program - Colorado State - was #51. Boise State - who's been forcing the rest of the conference to pay them for their supposed strength of draw - was #74...which was still #2 in the MWC. WSU/OSU are likely to drop when they're not playing against the Pac-12, but how far remains to be seen...and I'm comfortable with assuming that both of us have a stronger national draw than any current MWC team.

However....whatever our drawing power is, it needs to translate to dollars, because that's the only thing that matters. And, the dollar value needs to be enough to create a meaningful increase in the money that goes to each member of a new conference. If it's all 12, then the figure when divided by 14 needs to be at least a couple million higher than it is now, or it's not enough. Going a little further...the teams that have convinced themselves that they're the strength of the MWC (looking at you, BSU) really have very little reason to want us joining if it's not a decent financial bump. Why would they want the competition otherwise?

My guess is the merger only becomes a no-brainer if the per-team payout goes up by $5M. Multiplied by 14, that means an increase in contract value of at least $70M per year. I'm not sure WSU/OSU bring that. A per-team increase of $2M ($28M contract value) seems feasible...but is that enough? I'm not sure.

Of course, if it's not all 12 of the current MWC teams, the math changes, but I think the per-term distribution values are key.

Extending the same logic....if we don't bring enough value to be a no-brainer for the MWC, we won't bring enough value to the Big 12 or ACC either.

FWIW, it's important to remember that Colorado State's viewership number was bloated by virtue of playing Colorado in week 3 when the Deion madness was near it's peak. Take that one game out of their schedule and they drop pretty dramatically. By the time we played CU, the Buffs were starting to disappear off the radar.

That said, you make some great points about overall media value. WSU and OSU themselves can't present themselves as a huge payday in themselves the way that a school like USC can. What we have to be selling the 7 schools that Canzano mentioned in his article is that blowing up the MWC and getting rid of the bottom teams will give that bump that's closer to $5 million per school. For what it's worth, the Apple Cup by itself is worth $4 million to WSU. If our (and OSU's) other games average half that, the total media value for WSU and Oregon State is somewhere in between the numbers you are quoting.

 

[SaveFerris]

It appears that (according to the Aztec Mesa board patrons) SDSU doesn't want WSU either and they think the ACC or Big-12 will come for them before us. Now I'm sure AD Wicker has a different opinion of WSU.

If we have learned anything over the last 2 years, it doesn't matter what a conference wants let alone 1 program. It only matters what the networks decides for any given conference.

 

[95coug]

FWIW, it's important to remember that Colorado State's viewership number was bloated by virtue of playing Colorado in week 3 when the Deion madness was near it's peak. Take that one game out of their schedule and they drop pretty dramatically. By the time we played CU, the Buffs were starting to disappear off the radar.

That said, you make some great points about overall media value. WSU and OSU themselves can't present themselves as a huge payday in themselves the way that a school like USC can. What we have to be selling the 7 schools that Canzano mentioned in his article is that blowing up the MWC and getting rid of the bottom teams will give that bump that's closer to $5 million per school. For what it's worth, the Apple Cup by itself is worth $4 million to WSU. If our (and OSU's) other games average half that, the total media value for WSU and Oregon State is somewhere in between the numbers you are quoting.

Yes, but that's the media value to us, not the value we'd bring to a conference. Assuming that we'd see revenue sharing, we need to bring enough value to be a net increase when divided by the number of members. Not sure I see that.

The flipside of the coin...if we get $4M from AC and then pull $2M for 6 home games, we're getting $16M per season. It's a 25% drop from our Pac-12 days...but how likely is it that we'll get more than $16M as an MWC member? From the numbers I've seen...the likelihood is roughly zero.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Yes, but that's the media value to us, not the value we'd bring to a conference. Assuming that we'd see revenue sharing, we need to bring enough value to be a net increase when divided by the number of members. Not sure I see that.

The flipside of the coin...if we get $4M from AC and then pull $2M for 6 home games, we're getting $16M per season. It's a 25% drop from our Pac-12 days...but how likely is it that we'll get more than $16M as an MWC member? From the numbers I've seen...the likelihood is roughly zero.

Where do you get $2M per home game from? Report I read was half that, and I don't even believe that figure.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

FWIW, it's important to remember that Colorado State's viewership number was bloated by virtue of playing Colorado in week 3 when the Deion madness was near it's peak. Take that one game out of their schedule and they drop pretty dramatically. By the time we played CU, the Buffs were starting to disappear off the radar.

That said, you make some great points about overall media value. WSU and OSU themselves can't present themselves as a huge payday in themselves the way that a school like USC can. What we have to be selling the 7 schools that Canzano mentioned in his article is that blowing up the MWC and getting rid of the bottom teams will give that bump that's closer to $5 million per school. For what it's worth, the Apple Cup by itself is worth $4 million to WSU. If our (and OSU's) other games average half that, the total media value for WSU and Oregon State is somewhere in between the numbers you are quoting.

Equally important that the 5M viewers of Apple Cup bloat our numbers. And as my MW friends correctly state, our numbers are with a Pac-12 schedule, not a MW schedule.

 

[95coug]

Where do you get $2M per home game from? Report I read was half that, and I don't even believe that figure.

Borrowed it from the post I replied to. I don’t really even expect we’ll actually see $4M from AC.

 

[Wazzubrooz]

It seems to me that if the ACC were going to fracture, it would have done so by now. The contact in place appears to be binding and legal and unbreakable. Otherwise FSU & Clemson would have already bailed. I don’t see the ACC breaking up anytime soon & certainly not in the time frame that Wazzu & the Bears need. This one thing(ACC breakup) is the PAC-2’s best chance of

 

[Wazzubrooz]

It seems to me that if the ACC were going to fracture, it would have done so by now. The contact in place appears to be binding and legal and unbreakable. Otherwise FSU & Clemson would have already bailed. I don’t see the ACC breaking up anytime soon & certainly not in the time frame that Wazzu & the Beavs need. This one thing(ACC breakup) is the PAC-2’s best chance of

 

[Wazzubrooz]

Getting back to a Power 5 status. Which, btw, I don’t see happening for us anytime soon, if ever.

 

[mikalalas]

No buddy, what it means is they are sick of that exact attitude and are starting to go "F you Pac-2", leave yourselves without chairs when the music stops. They already know that the stupid Pac-2 and totally incompetent Presidents and Commissioners are waiting for the Big-12 or ACC. NEITHER OF WHICH IS GOING TO HAPPEN. What are we going to do when they say, meh, we don't want or need Year 2 of your scheduling agreement, and we are scrambling to put together a FB schedule.

I think, know that it's ok to wait a bit, to see if ACC does fall apart, and see if they will take WSU, OSU, like the ACC has been credible reported as saying they will, if that happens.

That said ITS ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE THAT WSU, OSU, PAC EITHER ARRANGE, CONVINCE, ETC, THE TOP 6 MWC TO REVERSE MERGE WITH PAC, AT A COST OF 18 MIL PER TEAM FOR 12O MIL OUT OF 265 MIL WAR CHEST, BEFORE THE DEADLINE WHERE 36 MIL TEAM, 240 MIL FOR TOP 6, HITS.

And if don't do that, then they need to merge the top 9, by the deadlines.

Now maybe those things have happened, but I doubt it.

Loyal is right that something needs to be done., before the deadlines hit, etc, as WSU, OSU can't be caught holding the bag again.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Borrowed it from the post I replied to. I don’t really even expect we’ll actually see $4M from AC.

I figured you were pulling it out of your squeaky clean ass.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Yes, but that's the media value to us, not the value we'd bring to a conference. Assuming that we'd see revenue sharing, we need to bring enough value to be a net increase when divided by the number of members. Not sure I see that.

The flipside of the coin...if we get $4M from AC and then pull $2M for 6 home games, we're getting $16M per season. It's a 25% drop from our Pac-12 days...but how likely is it that we'll get more than $16M as an MWC member? From the numbers I've seen...the likelihood is roughly zero.

It's going to be interesting to see what kind of money that we can get from future games against teams like Virginia, KSU, KU in the next few years. Of course, by the time some of those happen, our situation is likely to be different than today, for better or worse we don't know yet.

 

[UberCougars]

Oh, we know.

 

[PeteTheChop]

It's going to be interesting to see what kind of money that we can get from future games against teams like Virginia, KSU, KU in the next few years. Of course, by the time some of those happen, our situation is likely to be different than today, for better or worse we don't know yet.

Flat, do you see Dr. Schulz leaning on his friends from KSU (and maybe Kansas, too) to help WSU land a spot in the Big 12?

John Wilner said a while back that Dr. Schulz had the sort of experience and connections that could make him president of the NCAA if he so chose

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Flat, do you see Dr. Schulz leaning on his friends from KSU (and maybe Kansas, too) to help WSU land a spot in the Big 12?

John Wilner said a while back that Dr. Schulz had the sort of experience and connections that could make him president of the NCAA if he so chose

The only thing Schulz leans on is incompetence.

There's no maverick type of leader at WSU to get them into P5.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Flat, do you see Dr. Schulz leaning on his friends from KSU (and maybe Kansas, too) to help WSU land a spot in the Big 12?

John Wilner said a while back that Dr. Schulz had the sort of experience and connections that could make him president of the NCAA if he so chose

Schulz has zero influence at KSU these days so the answer is no. I've never found a KSU fan that was disappointed that he left. Most acknowledged that a lot of facility improvements happened while he was at KSU but they hated his wife with a passion by the time he left.

 

[Coug1990]

The only thing Schulz leans on is incompetence.

There's no maverick type of leader at WSU to get them into P5.

It is really just a Power 2. The ACC and Big 12 are not close to the same level and it is just going to get worse. In a few years, even several team in the Big Ten and SEC will be left behind which will just leave a Power 1.

 

[Houclone4]

It is really just a Power 2. The ACC and Big 12 are not close to the same level and it is just going to get worse. In a few years, even several team in the Big Ten and SEC will be left behind which will just leave a Power 1.

Yep but there still is a huge gap between Big 12/ACC and non-P2.

 

[Coug1990]

Yep but there still is a huge gap between Big 12/ACC and non-P2.

True. But even several of the schools in the Big 12 and ACC will not be getting the payday that they are now. The entire things is going to be shaken up eventually.