Sobering recruiting article on Pac12
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Just another reason Larry Scott has to go.
I think there is more to it. I think the other schools do a better job recruiting. I think they do a better job taking care of people. I think the $ they throw at football has tipped the scale.
This is a business deal for a lot of kids now. Better facilities, schools that spend $ and coaches that build better relationships are winning talent.
5 star talent helps, 5 star coaching talent is running low in the PAC 12 too.....
This is a business deal for a lot of kids now. Better facilities, schools that spend $ and coaches that build better relationships are winning talent.
5 star talent helps, 5 star coaching talent is running low in the PAC 12 too.....
True but knowing that over half your games can’t be viewed by a huge chunk of the TV audience doesn’t help. 5* kids are stars. They want to be seen. They are hi potential future NFL kids. They aren’t gonna be ok with that. And that’s a Larry problem first and foremost. As for the coaches, 1. The revenue isn’t there for schools to get out of bad contracts and hire better coaches (starts with Larry) 2. With the nonsense going on with the league, referees, Woodys meddling, etc that’s a distraction for coaches they don’t need. I’m sure Leach is great at compartmentalizing, but him sending a series of emails to the league office after games because of their clear incompetence (Larrry) isn’t ideal when coaches already work around the clock to prepare for games, recruit, etc.
Kicking off at 8pm PST ensures no one will watch. In fact, no one will see your highlights either.
If you wana be seen you kick off at 11:30, 2:30 and 5:30 and compete for tv time. The PAC 12 isnt even in the conversation for kickoff times. Theyve conceded them to the other 4 conferences and in doing so have alienated themselves.
I was recently on campus at UofTexas and Texas A&M. I stand by my previous statements about WSU building a stadium to seat 70,000.
We were never in the picture for the Rivals 100 players...... all this is beneficial to WSU. I really don’t want USC/UCLA/Stanford getting those players. I’m fine with the way the league has parody and the best coaches stand out. As pissed as I was about being left out of the NY6, I’m thrilled that we have 10 wins and are playing for our 11th. Things couldn’t be going more our way for sustained success.
It's a complicated issue, but I think a lot of has to do with society today. West coast is more Liberal. You have faculty and administrations at many Pac 12 programs that despise sports, and football in particular. I can assure you a majority of the Profs at Stanford and Cal don't give a damn about the football program. There were a group of Profs at WSU that wanted Leach fired for his introduction of Trump in Spokane. Now I don't care for Trump, but I don't get down on people for supporting him, it was that or Hilary, I don't vote so I don't give a damn, but suggesting someone be fired for supporting someone you don't is not a good reason. Do you think the SEC has Profs that don't support sports, sure a few, but not many, Many Profs at most Pac 12 schools are envious of all they money put into the football program, it is very narrow minded on their part as the football program benefits enrollment, and does more for money coming into their school than they will ever realize. It starts with the Presidents and Chancellors, they have to let everyone know they are committed to sports programs and it will benefit everyone at the university.
Then there is scheduling 9 vs 8 conference games, the Championship committee needs to come out with rules on scheduling to equal the playing field for all teams, it is not just a pac 12 issue. More interconference games with power 5 teams, home, and home, the SEC needs to Travel out west.
The list goes on an on, I don't like Larry Scott, but it's not all his fault, however if he isn't in full support of an 8 team playoff, he should be fired.
Then there is scheduling 9 vs 8 conference games, the Championship committee needs to come out with rules on scheduling to equal the playing field for all teams, it is not just a pac 12 issue. More interconference games with power 5 teams, home, and home, the SEC needs to Travel out west.
The list goes on an on, I don't like Larry Scott, but it's not all his fault, however if he isn't in full support of an 8 team playoff, he should be fired.
You know... it would be interesting to look at how many players from east of the rockies are heading west. It obviously doesn't affect the star ranking and where THEY are going but I wonder how much of the "blame" is more about how small our world is getting. I look at our list of players coming to WSU and we are getting a lot of kids from all over. Not just west coast.
First, I wanted to mention that our TV situation isn't as bad as some people think. Fox routinely televised Pac-12 games in the mid afternoon here in the Midwest. It was never the Cougs....but the conference was featured regularly. I had a cohort bitch that UCLA vs UW was on in prime time in the Midwest instead of a Big 12 game. The only complaint that I have are the 7:30 pm and 7:45 pm PDT kickoffs. Those games suck. NOBODY watches those games past half-time except fans of the schools.
I wonder how #pac12afterdark does in the 7:30PM slot ratings wise compared to a Mountain West game. I'm guessing they pull a pretty decent rating for a Saturday night, which is why we got so much $$$ from ESPN/FOX for our current arrangement. No reason for late games on the Pac-12 network though.
Good points.
But remember, the Pac-12 excels in women's sports and numerous minor sports about which no one gives a damn ...so we can all boast about that!
Good points.
But remember, the Pac-12 excels in women's sports and numerous minor sports about which no one gives a damn ...so we can all boast about that!
Well Larry IS a tennis man after all.........
At some point, the pendulum will swing back.
This is the same thing that happened back in the 80's/90's when the Big East started televising all their basketball games and became a beast. Cali kids headed to Syracuse and back east.
Eventually, the tide turned and the Pac-10/12 started keeping the stars at home like the O'Bannons, won a couple titles with UCLA and Arizona...which then begat the Howland, Bennett, Floyd era in the conference. It's all cyclical.
The conference is getting better, more visible coaches in football - like Petersen, Leach and Kelly and even Sherm. If USC ever pulls their head out and hires a decent coach, it will be the same thing.
University presidents have big egos. They don't like getting mocked by their peers at anything. RIght now the SEC presidents are mocking their Pac-12 intellectual counterparts. Big time.
This is the same thing that happened back in the 80's/90's when the Big East started televising all their basketball games and became a beast. Cali kids headed to Syracuse and back east.
Eventually, the tide turned and the Pac-10/12 started keeping the stars at home like the O'Bannons, won a couple titles with UCLA and Arizona...which then begat the Howland, Bennett, Floyd era in the conference. It's all cyclical.
The conference is getting better, more visible coaches in football - like Petersen, Leach and Kelly and even Sherm. If USC ever pulls their head out and hires a decent coach, it will be the same thing.
University presidents have big egos. They don't like getting mocked by their peers at anything. RIght now the SEC presidents are mocking their Pac-12 intellectual counterparts. Big time.
There is no PAC 12 president that looks at the SEC and cares what they think. Im willing to wager they snub their nose at the academics of all of those schools but 1.
Oregon ranked number 5 in the Nation for this cycle of football recruiting Also Washington had a top rated recruiting class anchored by 4 four stars and a top rated DT from Hawaii. It is an impressive haul for the mutts
Go check the US News & World Report rankings - aside from Stanford, USC, Cal, the SEC is pretty much on par with the Pac-12 - some higher, some lower.
Florida and Georgia higher than that - Missouri and Texas A&M right about there, too. Then the SEC has a tier of schools down in the 130's just like the Pac 12 has OSU and WSU.
It's not like Utah is the Harvard of the West or ASU is going to rival Princeton.
In general, both conferences are state-supported schools that are regarded as pretty good academically -but take Stanford and Cal out of the mix...pretty much the same as anything in the SEC, Big 12 or ACC.
I guess it depends on who is doing the rating. 247 Sports rates Oregon as having the 5th rated recruiting class But meh people will see what they want to see.I love to see the hilarity by some posters.
Not really. Just didn't feel like doing a regression analysis on both conferences. As I said, some are higher, some are lower - but generally across the board, most of the Power 5's are about the same thing.
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