Sure, we built what we built, and recruiting had a modest improvement at best. More likely stayed flat.
Stop the fan club mind set, the Moos is "my guy" nonsense for a minute and read my initial post. Moos put us in a deep hole financially (fact) then Chun did jack all to get us out (fact) -- end to story. To entirely different forms of failing the Cougar nation. That is what happened.
Don't forget Elson Floyd as Chair of the Pac-12 CEO group, secured Larry's extension and promotion in 2013, amid the growing discontent due to the revenue short fall. Larry was at Floyd's memorial, and was a speaker. Why wouldn't he, Floyd made Larry a very rich man.
There's no fan club. I'm strictly pointing out that blaming Floyd and Moos for failures of those many, many years before them and those directly after them have failed. At least they did something. Moos and Floyd have their faults too, sure, they spent a lot but had those before them actually done any maintenance or helpful updates those two wouldn't have to overcompensate and sell a program coming off 6-40. Yes I recognize Moos was apart of the hiring committee for Wulff, too -- he's not perfect, but I'll take the worst of Moos over the best of Chun.
Thank you for posting this, I thought I heard something like this. Nobody’s perfect, Floyd was a good man and great ambassador for WSU, and left a mostly positive legacy. This points to me more of what a swindler and grifter Larry Scott must have been to garner his support.
Utter myth, not reality. Check the timelines on construction approvals for yourselves and the old articles about Leach being unable to find work. Then have the balls to admit you bought into this stupid myth. This claim is right up there with "Doba left the cupboard bare," Its agenda driven, revisionism, unsupported by actual facts.
True story, good point on the doba left the cupboard bare analogy. It was far from bareUtter myth, not reality. Check the timelines on construction approvals for yourselves and the old articles about Leach being unable to find work. Then have the balls to admit you bought into this stupid myth. This claim is right up there with "Doba left the cupboard bare," Its agenda driven, revisionism, unsupported by actual facts.
Start with this:
Why won't anyone hire Mike Leach?
Miami never called, either. The school had interviewed Leach four years earlier for the opening that eventually went to Randy Shannon, and upon Shannon'swww.si.com
At the time of this article there had been 21 FBS openings since Leach was canned, only 1 school even gave the man an f-ing interview, and they decided on Randy Edsall, 74-70 at UConn instead (sounds like they were being polite to Leach). And get this, it was another year before Moos came calling.
Sure Leach, only 50 at the time, had options, two to be precise, WSU or retirement!
Don't get me wrong Leach was a great great hire and showed Moos' major cajones. He was putting his own job on the line by hiring a damaged goods, loose cannon, out of the wilderness. It could have gone very bad very quick with Leach's meanderings at the mic, here on the left coast. I'm also sure Moos told him of his plan to build elite facilities to lure high end donors and 4 and 5 star recruits. Moos was making the pitch ever since the TV deal was inked. But the two had nothing to do with one another. It was a desperate school hiring a desperate coach on the one hand. And Moos' naive idea that if we simply built it, they would come, on the other.
Thanks for taking my mind off 2024 for a moment . Would you agree with me our best players on offense were are wr and c? And we had no defensive tackles and no qb experience .Utter myth, not reality. Check the timelines on construction approvals for yourselves and the old articles about Leach being unable to find work. Then have the balls to admit you bought into this stupid myth. This claim is right up there with "Doba left the cupboard bare," Its agenda driven, revisionism, unsupported by actual facts.
Start with this:
Why won't anyone hire Mike Leach?
Miami never called, either. The school had interviewed Leach four years earlier for the opening that eventually went to Randy Shannon, and upon Shannon's
At the time of this article there had been 21 FBS openings since Leach was canned, only 1 school even gave the man an f-ing interview, and they decided on Randy Edsall, 74-70 at UConn instead (sounds like they were being polite to Leach). And get this, it was another year before Moos came calling.
Sure Leach, only 50 at the time, had options, two to be precise, WSU or retirement!
Bill had responsibility in the wulff hire just as Floyd and Sterk . He was on the committee
Sure there were senior holes to fill, aren't there always, but when you are returning 14 starters, mostly on defense. from a 5-7 team and your first Pac-12 game is the worst loss in school history, to date, 66-3 to F-ing Cal at home, the real story is how did this coach lose this team so completely, so quickly, not this historic loss was caused by the need to replace a seasoned QB and some receivers. I know you know that.
Never ever will I forget walking out of the stadium that day, knowing we were in big trouble
I was simply too dumbfounded to think coherently. For future reference, we now know it is probably a head coach turning on and lashing out at his players because he can't accept any responsibilty himself for getting off to a rocky start. It is a one and done situation, a coach who isn't redeemable. You live and learn.
And up to that point how many winning records has WSU had with a QB that has had zero reps? Same way Leach lost 2012? Change is hard for players. Happened to Price in 1990.
USC taking a knee beforehalftime when they were in scoring range had to be the worst.
I don't blame anyone for the Wulff hire, on paper it was strong, with a pedigree similar to past success, i.e. Price, Erickson. But if they had been alerted to Wulff's personality issues then that is a different story.
Pointing to a potential down season, but by far the worst team in school history, please!
Let me point to 1998...what if Chip Kelly was in the conference in 1996 and brought the no huddle, get plays off in 20 seconds. I am not sure who you think was a Pac 12 player at DT in 08. Or at DE. Michael Graise who put in 10 pounds in his entire career? Matt Eichlebarger? You wanna know why WSU was gashed for 66 against Cal...look at the first play of the game....Matt E was 10 yards in the secondary on his back.
Didn't love the hire. Similar to Rolovich, it was a "I hope this works out" from me. Neither did.
Wulff had no personality. He was an O line coach. He was a grinder. What more needed to be said...other than he and his staff developed a good eye for talent and just couldn't keep them in the fold. WSu under Wulff and Doba were playing the honor system...other coaches were playing to keep their job and until they sign on the dotted line they are free game.
The one thing Shulz and Chun did right was get rid of Nick "Room Temperature I Q" Rolovich.
Wulff sucked...doesn't change the fact Doba left the cupboard bare. How many games do you believe Doba would have won with that talent.
You still, after all these year cant see the difference between a hard fought 10 point loss and a 60 point white washing
I can . I said wulff sucked . Now tell me how many games Doba would win with the less than bare cupboard …
Ed, are you the last to know? Wulff had some major psych issues going on, later blamed on his tragic background!
You keep saying that, but facts just don't back it up. Look at the depth chart on p. 58 of the 2008 media guide. (its on line). I was wrong, 9 starters on defense and 6 on offense, 4 OL (including long time NFL receiver Brandon Gibson and back up Chris Ivory, an NFL RB who ran for nearly 1300 yards with the Jets, more than 5000 in his career) and both kickers returned. 17 of 24 starters. Also throw in 2007 back up Jeshua Andresen, you know 4 time NCAA hurdle champ at WR and our returning QB was a 5th year senior, Gary Rogers. Holy crap you are holding on to the "cupboard was bare" nonsense like is it sacred religious dogma. WE were lied to!
Double digit dog to a 0-11 team, at home. Will that ever happen again? Have two worse power 5 teams ever played?
You likely will regret going there with your tone.Utter myth, not reality. Check the timelines on construction approvals for yourselves and the old articles about Leach being unable to find work. Then have the balls to admit you bought into this stupid myth. This claim is right up there with "Doba left the cupboard bare," Its agenda driven, revisionism, unsupported by actual facts.
Start with this:
Why won't anyone hire Mike Leach?
Miami never called, either. The school had interviewed Leach four years earlier for the opening that eventually went to Randy Shannon, and upon Shannon's
At the time of this article there had been 21 FBS openings since Leach was canned, only 1 school even gave the man an f-ing interview, and they decided on Randy Edsall, 74-70 at UConn instead (sounds like they were being polite to Leach). And get this, it was another year before Moos came calling.
Sure Leach, only 50 at the time, had options, two to be precise, WSU or retirement!
I cite facts based on an as reputable a source as you get in the sports world, demonstrating that no one was interested in Leach, but us. Sports Illustrated: "Why Won't Anyone Hire Mike Leach," says it all. You cite jack all in response. I can cite several other less respected reports to this effect, and the fact he was unemployed for three years in his coaching prime, before us. Where is the evidence that we were battling anyone or any thing for Mike Leach's services during his 3 year long forced sabbatical? Ultimately you made the claim that, but for the facility upgrades, Leach wasn't coming. The burden is on you. If you don't have it, just admit it. Who else was offering Leach a job and how much?
