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No talk about the upcoming season on the board? Sounds like many would rather be on Gilligan's Island.

Any thoughts, predictions on the upcoming season? For me there are so many unknowns, weird schedule, not sure what to expect from this team, the QB situation could be shaky at best. I fear a long season.
 
No talk about the upcoming season on the board? Sounds like many would rather be on Gilligan's Island.

Any thoughts, predictions on the upcoming season? For me there are so many unknowns, weird schedule, not sure what to expect from this team, the QB situation could be shaky at best. I fear a long season.

Cougs are 6-0 in my College Football 25 version of fake football. Overall, I've been able to run more effectively than I would expect but Christian Hilborn can't hold a block to save his soul. Interesting to note that apparently WSU coaches agree since he is not the starter on this weeks depth chart.

If you haven't looked the updated depth chart, our offensive line has good size this year. The starters average 309 lbs and the right guard position is the only one that's a bit undersized with Dieu at 288 lbs.

As far as schedule goes, this year has the potential to be the easiest schedule that WSU has likely ever faced. Texas Tech is picked 9th in the Big 12 and UW was picked 10th in the Big 10 media poll. Portland State, SJSU, Hawaii, SDSU, Utah State and New Mexico are all down right now and any self-respecting team would go 6-0 against that group of teams. Boise State and Fresno State have given us fits in the past, but neither was great last year. Wyoming had a good record last year but they played five games against teams ranked below 100 in most power rankings and only two games against Top 50 teams. Massey projects WSU to finish 9-3 with only three games against Top 50 opponents. If Tech and UW are as bad as their respective conference media folks think, our toughest game is going to be against OSU.

When you look at the Oregon State depth chart, almost half of the offense is new including their top 3 running backs, QB, two OL and a wide receiver. They have six freshmen in their defensive two deep. We have three new wide receivers and obviously Mateer is an unknown, but the Beavers have a lot more uncertainty than we do.

It would not be all that surprising for WSU to run the table this year and make the CFP. It won't happen and we would get obliterated if we qualified....but it could happen.
 
This will be a big unknown from my perspective.

Stating the obvious, if Mateer has time to throw, I think we will be good. I like our receivers. I think year 2 in this offense we will show improvement.
 
You can count on one hand the number of times WSU has had a good season with a first-year starter. Mateer can run, at least in a straight line, and throws a nice deep ball when he’s not under pressure. But in his limited opportunities we’ve seen him throw balls that he should have eaten, and there’s no real reason to think our OL is any better than last year.
The saving grace is that we’ve got a pretty weak schedule - unfortunately almost all of the tougher games are on the road. If we’re as good as last year we should win 8-9 against this schedule. But we’re only going as far as our QB will take us.
 
No talk about the upcoming season on the board? Sounds like many would rather be on Gilligan's Island.

Any thoughts, predictions on the upcoming season? For me there are so many unknowns, weird schedule, not sure what to expect from this team, the QB situation could be shaky at best. I fear a long season.
Had a look at the depth chart and its concerning to say the least.

4 freshmen recruits under 5'10" AND under 180 lbs, mainly in the WR corp. Our tallest FR WR is 6'1", there's a 6'0" and a 5'11".

Whether you want it or not, the G5 is already upon us. The roster will continue to get smaller as we continue to get outclassed by not only our former conference associates but our new conference associates as well.

CJD seems to be a decent person, but I fear that hanging his hat on this team/ school will be career suicide if he has any aspirations of being a P4 head coach.
 
No talk about the upcoming season on the board? Sounds like many would rather be on Gilligan's Island.

Any thoughts, predictions on the upcoming season? For me there are so many unknowns, weird schedule, not sure what to expect from this team, the QB situation could be shaky at best. I fear a long season.
Supply and demand. It's simple. No one is radically excited, thus no demand.
 
I don't expect that it will happen either, but the irony with all of this realignment drama is that WSU's path to the college football playoff is easier today than it's ever been.
 
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I don't expect that it will happen either, but the irony with all of this realignment drama is that WSU's path to the college football playoff is easier today than it's ever been.
In what way? Are the MWC teams trembling in fear and simply going to wave a white flag because big bad (former) P5 team WSU is coming to town?
 
This is the weakest WSU schedule I have ever seen.

If any legitimate power conference team with legit power conference talent and coaching saw this schedule… they’d be fixin’ for a big year.

We will see what happens.
 
In what way? Are the MWC teams trembling in fear and simply going to wave a white flag because big bad (former) P5 team WSU is coming to town?
Of course not. That's not the point. In decades past, we would have to run the table or lose only 1 game against a schedule that included a couple of top-10 and at least 4 top-20 teams.

This year, the 4 toughest teams on our schedule are Texas Tech, UW, Boise State, and Fresno State. Imagine if we were headed into these next couple of seasons with Mike Leach as our coach in year 2-3 of his program. How many games would we lose?
 
You can count on one hand the number of times WSU has had a good season with a first-year starter. Mateer can run, at least in a straight line, and throws a nice deep ball when he’s not under pressure. But in his limited opportunities we’ve seen him throw balls that he should have eaten, and there’s no real reason to think our OL is any better than last year.
The saving grace is that we’ve got a pretty weak schedule - unfortunately almost all of the tougher games are on the road. If we’re as good as last year we should win 8-9 against this schedule. But we’re only going as far as our QB will take us.

Mateer's Resume is awesome, from starting at 6A Texas Highschool, since he was a freshman, to being named the BEST Texas QB, to Mateer having beat Allen Texas Highschool, to every highschool coach that has played Mateer in Texas, and in USA, all saying he was, is the best, and even opposing Highschool head coaches that not his coach, went to bat for him, helped him with his recruiting, said he was a 5 star level QB recruit, etc.

And his stats: 7000 yards passing, about 27+ passing TD's, and about 1300 to 1500 to 1650 rushing yards, and about 27+ rushing TD's, and about 53 to 55 to 57 total TD's, vs only a small handful of interception.

The last WSU QB's to have that kind of highschool stats:

Leaf, Bledsoe, etc.

Everybody that knows Mateer, or knows about Mateer knows that no other QB, highschool or college, works harder then Mateer. Mateer lives, works, eats, drinks, sleeps, football, being a QB, 24 hours a day.

Mateer is a excellent leader, knows the offense, runs the offense well, throws ok on run, throws a awesome deep ball, is mobile, etc.

This is Mateer's 3rd year at WSU. Mateer's stats at WSU is about 15 completions out of 19 attempts for 267 yards, 2 TD's, and about 25 runs for 150 yards, about 6 yards per carry, and 3 more TD's, with about a 5 TD to 1 int ratio(only 1 int)

Mateer beat out Zevi who either won, or was runner up, for the Walter Payton award, and Zevi was, is considered to have been the best FCS QB.

The only reason why Mateer and Zevi semi struggled at times, is because WSU's secondary, is pretty bloody dam fcking awesome.

Iron sharpens Iron. And both the Iron of the offense, and the Iron of the defense, have been like titans against each other, making big time plays against each other regularly.

As for the O Line the O Line is comprised of about 2 seniors, 2 reshirt Juniors, 1 redshirt sophomore. This is the most BEASTLY, BEEFY, DEEPEST, MOST EXPERIENCED, MOST DEVELOPED O LINE THAT WSU HAS HAD IN A EXTREMELY LONG TIME.

And the WR Corp of Kyle Williams, Tre Shackleford, Hutson, Meredith, Freeman, Kyle Maxwell, ARE ABSOLUTE FREAKING AWESOME STUDS, which is also great for Mateer.

And the RB Corp of Schlenbaker, Pulalasi, Wayshawn Parker, should be good enough behind that monsterly good O Line to combined with Mateer's mobility, runs, to be a NIGHTMARE for opposing defenses, because WSU's offense will truly use the whole field, etc, with runs, QB runs, passes all over field to 4,5,6 stud WR's, etc.

And the TE Corp is the best it's ever been in a extremely long time, with Senior Cooper Mathers, Junior Andre Dollar, Sophmore Trey Leckner, and they all block, run good routes, catch, etc, really well.

The only slight holes on team, is 1. LB depth. Budda is a STUD. Thornton is pretty decent, but after that, huge drop off, due to altho depth is talented, the so called depth is young, untied, etc.

And altho the Nickel, CB, Safety is a awesome secondary, there is Questionable depth at Nickel, and while one of the starting safeties is a STUD, the other is a unknown. And there is Questionable depth at the safety spot.

The CB Corp is the best it's been in a extremely long time with Hall, Jamorri Colson, Ethan Connor, Warren Smith, all 4 of them being absolute STUDS.

The defense should be able to keep games close enough, and the offense should be good enough to take advantage of the defense keeping it close enough, and should be able to help out the defense.

And to go with all that, the schedule is a good for WSU schedule.

WSU should be able to go 8-4, 7-5, at MINIMUM, with the roster, talent, etc, ON PAPER.

If WSU can't win at least 7,8 games, with the Roster it has, then it's coaching, lack of good coaching, not lack of a good Roster.

Massey, and Phil Steele, etc, and other so called experts, etc, have WSU at 10-2 at best, 9-3, 8-4 at average, 7-5 at below average, 6-6, bowl win, for 7-6 at worst.

As for other first year starters, Luke Falk, Redshirt Sophmore, 3rd year QB, Anthony Gordon, Minshew, are pretty recent examples of first year WSU starting QB's that did pretty awesome.

Remember Mateer is in his 3rd year. Other 3rd year QB's that did well are Luke Falk, Rosenbach, Bledsoe, Ryan Leaf, Gesser, Brink.
 
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Mateer's Resume is awesome, from starting at 6A Texas Highschool, since he was a freshman, to being named the BEST Texas QB, to Mateer having beat Allen Texas Highschool, to every highschool coach that has played Mateer in Texas, and in USA, all saying he was, is the best, and even opposing Highschool head coaches that not his coach, went to bat for him, helped him with his recruiting, said he was a 5 star level QB recruit, etc.

And his stats: 7000 yards passing, about 27+ passing TD's, and about 1300 to 1500 to 1650 rushing yards, and about 27+ rushing TD's, and about 53 to 55 to 57 total TD's, vs only a small handful of interception.

The last WSU QB's to have that kind of highschool stats:

Leaf, Bledsoe, etc.

Everybody that knows Mateer, or knows about Mateer knows that no other QB, highschool or college, works harder then Mateer. Mateer lives, works, eats, drinks, sleeps, football, being a QB, 24 hours a day.

Mateer is a excellent leader, knows the offense, runs the offense well, throws ok on run, throws a awesome deep ball, is mobile, etc.

This is Mateer's 3rd year at WSU. Mateer's stats at WSU is about 15 completions out of 19 attempts for 267 yards, 2 TD's, and about 25 runs for 150 yards, about 6 yards per carry, and 3 more TD's, with about a 5 TD to 1 int ratio(only 1 int)

Mateer beat out Zevi who either won, or was runner up, for the Walter Payton award, and Zevi was, is considered to have been the best FCS QB.

The only reason why Mateer and Zevi semi struggled at times, is because WSU's secondary, is pretty bloody dam fcking awesome.

Iron sharpens Iron. And both the Iron of the offense, and the Iron of the defense, have been like titans against each other, making big time plays against each other regularly.

As for the O Line the O Line is comprised of about 2 seniors, 2 reshirt Juniors, 1 redshirt sophomore. This is the most BEASTLY, BEEFY, DEEPEST, MOST EXPERIENCED, MOST DEVELOPED O LINE THAT WSU HAS HAD IN A EXTREMELY LONG TIME.

And the WR Corp of Kyle Williams, Tre Shackleford, Hutson, Meredith, Freeman, Kyle Maxwell, ARE ABSOLUTE FREAKING AWESOME STUDS, which is also great for Mateer.

And the RB Corp of Schlenbaker, Pulalasi, Wayshawn Parker, should be good enough behind that monsterly good O Line to combined with Mateer's mobility, runs, to be a NIGHTMARE for opposing defenses, because WSU's offense will truly use the whole field, etc, with runs, QB runs, passes all over field to 4,5,6 stud WR's, etc.

And the TE Corp is the best it's ever been in a extremely long time, with Senior Cooper Mathers, Junior Andre Dollar, Sophmore Trey Leckner, and they all block, run good routes, catch, etc, really well.

The only slight holes on team, is 1. LB depth. Budda is a STUD. Thornton is pretty decent, but after that, huge drop off, due to altho depth is talented, the so called depth is young, untied, etc.

And altho the Nickel, CB, Safety is a awesome secondary, there is Questionable depth at Nickel, and while one of the starting safeties is a STUD, the other is a unknown. And there is Questionable depth at the safety spot.

The CB Corp is the best it's been in a extremely long time with Hall, Jamorri Colson, Ethan Connor, Warren Smith, all 4 of them being absolute STUDS.

The defense should be able to keep games close enough, and the offense should be good enough to take advantage of the defense keeping it close enough, and should be able to help out the defense.

And to go with all that, the schedule is a good for WSU schedule.

WSU should be able to go 8-4, 7-5, at MINIMUM, with the roster, talent, etc, ON PAPER.

If WSU can't win at least 7,8 games, with the Roster it has, then it's coaching, lack of good coaching, not lack of a good Roster.

Massey, and Phil Steele, etc, and other so called experts, etc, have WSU at 10-2 at best, 9-3, 8-4 at average, 7-5 at below average, 6-6, bowl win, for 7-6 at worst.

As for other first year starters, Luke Falk, Redshirt Sophmore, 3rd year QB, Anthony Gordon, Minshew, are pretty recent examples of first year WSU starting QB's that did pretty awesome.

Remember Mateer is in his 3rd year. Other 3rd year QB's that did well are Luke Falk, Rosenbach, Bledsoe, Ryan Leaf, Gesser, Brink.
Based on week zero, I have a theory that we may see more parity with nil than less. Don’t underestimate athletes with chips on their shoulders, and don’t overestimate guys that got a bag. You’re going to see a lot of kids across the country who have a million dollars in the bank and less motivation in their hearts. And coaches who have to play them even when they are lacking drive because they paid them.
 
Mateer's Resume is awesome, from starting at 6A Texas Highschool, since he was a freshman, to being named the BEST Texas QB, to Mateer having beat Allen Texas Highschool, to every highschool coach that has played Mateer in Texas, and in USA, all saying he was, is the best, and even opposing Highschool head coaches that not his coach, went to bat for him, helped him with his recruiting, said he was a 5 star level QB recruit, etc.

And his stats: 7000 yards passing, about 27+ passing TD's, and about 1300 to 1500 to 1650 rushing yards, and about 27+ rushing TD's, and about 53 to 55 to 57 total TD's, vs only a small handful of interception.

The last WSU QB's to have that kind of highschool stats:

Leaf, Bledsoe, etc.

Everybody that knows Mateer, or knows about Mateer knows that no other QB, highschool or college, works harder then Mateer. Mateer lives, works, eats, drinks, sleeps, football, being a QB, 24 hours a day.

Mateer is a excellent leader, knows the offense, runs the offense well, throws ok on run, throws a awesome deep ball, is mobile, etc.

This is Mateer's 3rd year at WSU. Mateer's stats at WSU is about 15 completions out of 19 attempts for 267 yards, 2 TD's, and about 25 runs for 150 yards, about 6 yards per carry, and 3 more TD's, with about a 5 TD to 1 int ratio(only 1 int)

Mateer beat out Zevi who either won, or was runner up, for the Walter Payton award, and Zevi was, is considered to have been the best FCS QB.

The only reason why Mateer and Zevi semi struggled at times, is because WSU's secondary, is pretty bloody dam fcking awesome.

Iron sharpens Iron. And both the Iron of the offense, and the Iron of the defense, have been like titans against each other, making big time plays against each other regularly.

As for the O Line the O Line is comprised of about 2 seniors, 2 reshirt Juniors, 1 redshirt sophomore. This is the most BEASTLY, BEEFY, DEEPEST, MOST EXPERIENCED, MOST DEVELOPED O LINE THAT WSU HAS HAD IN A EXTREMELY LONG TIME.

And the WR Corp of Kyle Williams, Tre Shackleford, Hutson, Meredith, Freeman, Kyle Maxwell, ARE ABSOLUTE FREAKING AWESOME STUDS, which is also great for Mateer.

And the RB Corp of Schlenbaker, Pulalasi, Wayshawn Parker, should be good enough behind that monsterly good O Line to combined with Mateer's mobility, runs, to be a NIGHTMARE for opposing defenses, because WSU's offense will truly use the whole field, etc, with runs, QB runs, passes all over field to 4,5,6 stud WR's, etc.

And the TE Corp is the best it's ever been in a extremely long time, with Senior Cooper Mathers, Junior Andre Dollar, Sophmore Trey Leckner, and they all block, run good routes, catch, etc, really well.

The only slight holes on team, is 1. LB depth. Budda is a STUD. Thornton is pretty decent, but after that, huge drop off, due to altho depth is talented, the so called depth is young, untied, etc.

And altho the Nickel, CB, Safety is a awesome secondary, there is Questionable depth at Nickel, and while one of the starting safeties is a STUD, the other is a unknown. And there is Questionable depth at the safety spot.

The CB Corp is the best it's been in a extremely long time with Hall, Jamorri Colson, Ethan Connor, Warren Smith, all 4 of them being absolute STUDS.

The defense should be able to keep games close enough, and the offense should be good enough to take advantage of the defense keeping it close enough, and should be able to help out the defense.

And to go with all that, the schedule is a good for WSU schedule.

WSU should be able to go 8-4, 7-5, at MINIMUM, with the roster, talent, etc, ON PAPER.

If WSU can't win at least 7,8 games, with the Roster it has, then it's coaching, lack of good coaching, not lack of a good Roster.

Massey, and Phil Steele, etc, and other so called experts, etc, have WSU at 10-2 at best, 9-3, 8-4 at average, 7-5 at below average, 6-6, bowl win, for 7-6 at worst.

As for other first year starters, Luke Falk, Redshirt Sophmore, 3rd year QB, Anthony Gordon, Minshew, are pretty recent examples of first year WSU starting QB's that did pretty awesome.

Remember Mateer is in his 3rd year. Other 3rd year QB's that did well are Luke Falk, Rosenbach, Bledsoe, Ryan Leaf, Gesser, Brink.

I have high hopes for Mateer but the other 3rd year QB's you listed didn't have 19 career pass attempts going into season 3. Not even remotely close to the same conversation.

I will say that if we don't win 7 games this season, it's time to start looking for Dickert's replacement.
 
Y'all sound like a bunch of Huskies with the hubris that is being thrown about here.

Just look at our record vs MWC. Without doing the research I'd venture that its just above .500, from recent memory.
 
Y'all sound like a bunch of Huskies with the hubris that is being thrown about here.

Just look at our record vs MWC. Without doing the research I'd venture that its just above .500, from recent memory.

WSU is 13-8 (62%) vs the MWC in the past 25 years. Since 2017, WSU is 6-1 against the MWC in regular season games and 0-2 in bowl games where we were missing multiple starters. When you add in former WAC teams that are now in the MWC, we are 21-10 against the combined set of teams in the past 25 years. The two losses to WAC teams in that time span were doing our glory days of Paul Wulff.

If we win 66% of our games vs MWC teams this year, beat Portland State and go 1-2 against the P5(ish) teams on our schedule, we will finish 7-5. Above, I said that we should consider firing Dickert if we fail to win seven games. I stand by that statement.

I also said that we could run the table and I guarantee that this year is our last best chance at that happening. As I also said, it won't happen because I don't think we are really good enough to do it, but I'd say that we about a 5% chance of it happening, when it's usually closer to 0.01%.
 
I have high hopes for Mateer but the other 3rd year QB's you listed didn't have 19 career pass attempts going into season 3. Not even remotely close to the same conversation.

I will say that if we don't win 7 games this season, it's time to start looking for Dickert's replacement.
In theory, I agree. Given our financial standing, it's not likely to happen barring an absolute implosion.
 
Of course not. That's not the point. In decades past, we would have to run the table or lose only 1 game against a schedule that included a couple of top-10 and at least 4 top-20 teams.

This year, the 4 toughest teams on our schedule are Texas Tech, UW, Boise State, and Fresno State. Imagine if we were headed into these next couple of seasons with Mike Leach as our coach in year 2-3 of his program. How many games would we lose?
Are you thinking about Portland State when you say that?

That loss still pisses me off
 
Financial standing? Compared to who?

The world?

Who the F would they hire for 2.5 million? And realistically they would probably go down from there and live in the coaching salary basement given the uncertain future. All that talk about commitment to football and athletics is complete bullshit and flies in the face of the financial reality.
 
Based on week zero, I have a theory that we may see more parity with nil than less. Don’t underestimate athletes with chips on their shoulders, and don’t overestimate guys that got a bag. You’re going to see a lot of kids across the country who have a million dollars in the bank and less motivation in their hearts. And coaches who have to play them even when they are lacking drive because they paid them.
Is there a deadline each week when the NIL Committee must share the starting lineup with the Head Coach?

🤣
 
Is there a deadline each week when the NIL Committee must share the starting lineup with the Head Coach?

🤣
Not sure whether sarcasm or not. Are you implying coaches don’t have involvement in who’s getting bags?

That aside playing guys who should be riding pine because of what you’re paying them is nothing new when you’re talking about professional sports. For one, it’s an admission you F’d up when you bench them, which is hard to do in a profession driven by massive egos.

So yeah, there will be unmotivated and/or overrated college kids on the field because of what their schools paid them, that’s a certainty.
 
Not sure whether sarcasm or not. Are you implying coaches don’t have involvement in who’s getting bags?

That aside playing guys who should be riding pine because of what you’re paying them is nothing new when you’re talking about professional sports. For one, it’s an admission you F’d up when you bench them, which is hard to do in a profession driven by massive egos.

So yeah, there will be unmotivated and/or overrated college kids on the field because of what their schools paid them, that’s a certainty.
How long until we have college kids who hold out for more money during fall camp?

I’m fairly convinced that NIL just means that the movie Blue Chips is now just how it is. The coach says what recruits he wants, and boosters go to him with bags of money.
 
How long until we have college kids who hold out for more money during fall camp?

I’m fairly convinced that NIL just means that the movie Blue Chips is now just how it is. The coach says what recruits he wants, and boosters go to him with bags of money.
Yeah wouldn’t doubt it. Although unlike NFL free agency where they have a contract, they can just leave and take more money somewhere else now.
 
I will know a lot more about our team at dinner time tomorrow than I know right now.

And I'm expecting to feel good about it.
 
Well, there's the problem with playing FCS teams. You can't really feel that good about beating them, but you feel really bad if they beat us.
SJSU looked like it was going to lose to Sacramento State in the first half last night but former Coug Emmitt Brown QB getting his first start for San Jose threw for 298 yards and 3 touchdowns. A scrappy kid that kinda reminded me of Minshew (sp). The Spartans will be visiting Pullman next month.
 
I literally cannot believe tomorrow is game day. Regardless of the opponent, it always just crazy how time goes so fast.

Crazy.
 
How long until we have college kids who hold out for more money during fall camp?

I’m fairly convinced that NIL just means that the movie Blue Chips is now just how it is. The coach says what recruits he wants, and boosters go to him with bags of money.
not long I fear, I also think that within the next 4-5 years players will no longer have to be students. when was the last time we heard about a players being academically ineligible? it is already under way
 
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