The Mountain West Conference is about to get a serious blow...

[ttowncoug]

I still think the best path forward is keeping the Pac-12 in name, even if it's Cougs and Beavs rebooting, unless we get a lifeboat from the Big-12.

Immediate adds:
Fresno
SDSU
SJSU
Boise
UNLV
CSU

Plus top AAC mkts:
Tulane
SMU
Memphis
Rice

 

[COUGinNCW]

I still think the best path forward is keeping the Pac-12 in name, even if it's Cougs and Beavs rebooting, unless we get a lifeboat from the Big-12.

Immediate adds:
Fresno
SDSU
SJSU
Boise
UNLV
CSU

Plus top AAC mkts:
Tulane
SMU
Memphis
Rice

What’s new about this? Seems like the same OL speculation?

 

[ttowncoug]

What’s new about this? Seems like the same OL speculation?

Nothing new. But if you look at the schools needed, I personally hadn't looked at how significant of a blow that would be to their composition.

 

[roses04]

This only works if Cal and Stanford leave and head to the ACC. I see George W Bush and Condoleezza Rice are pushing for SMU and Stanford to the ACC. State schools in CA are considered a much lower level than the other universities, Stanford and Cal might take one or two, but not all of them. I think the best bet it to get to eight, and work on if from there. SMU and Rice, and San Diego St ( which both objected to last time), and UNLV. All except SDSU are tier 1, SMU and Rice are private schools and highly rated and get you the Dallas and Houston markets. UNLV is a sleeping giant, they have the money to be a better program. Years ago, for many years they had one of the best basketball programs in the County, with a national following, football hasn't been great. However, with their new facilites and a P5 standing that program could do well. The "Runnin' Rebs" could be back. SDSU has held their own in both football and needless to say basketball. Then you look to expand over the next 1-2 years. In 3-5 they'll reshuffle the whole deck anyway, this is just phase 2 or 3 of about 6-8 phases of conference realignment. And the future is with subscription-based services, cable and over the air TV won't be able to continue to pay the money, like it or not, it is the wave of the future.

Streaming services are looking for content, due to the writers strike, getting new subscribers is critical to them right now. Work a deal at a min per school, plus more as subscriptions increase, work out some type of TV deal, won't be great, but the league will need eye balls. Hopefully that gets you to 10 million a school, Use the $400 million left in reserve to offset the loss of revenue from the previous contract for the remaining pac 12 teams. Screw the teams that left claiming they have a right to some of it, they didn't pay exit fees and caused undue harm to the teams they bailed on.

 

[PeteTheChop]

I still think the best path forward is keeping the Pac-12 in name, even if it's Cougs and Beavs rebooting

Immediate adds:
Fresno
SDSU
SJSU
Boise
UNLV
CSU

Plus top AAC mkts:
Tulane
SMU
Memphis
Rice

Looks outstanding T-Town.

Fairly compact footprint and A LOT of great/very good TV markets: Dallas, Houston, Bay Area, Seattle, Denver, San Diego, Portland, New Orleans, Las Vegas, Fresno/Bakersfield/Stockton, Memphis and Boise

West Division
WSU
OSU
Boise State
Fresno State
San Diego State
San Jose State

East Division
Colorado State
Memphis State
Rice
SMU
Tulane
UNLV

Call it the Pac-12, get a media deal with Apple, collect the basketball units and keep the CFP access for the conference champion

 

[kougkurt]

Who’s paying the MWC’s teams buyout?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I still think the best path forward is keeping the Pac-12 in name, even if it's Cougs and Beavs rebooting, unless we get a lifeboat from the Big-12.

Immediate adds:
Fresno
SDSU
SJSU
Boise
UNLV
CSU

Plus top AAC mkts:
Tulane
SMU
Memphis
Rice

No, no and no on SJSU and especially Boise Junior college of trucking. Why do they keep coming up? NO. And Memphis? where does this come from? Same with the other AAC ones.

Look our only path forward is to join the Mountain West Conference, unless they want to dissolve and become the PAC-16. Why is this so Goddam hard to understand? And why the F isn't it already a done deal? Oh let's sit on our asses like we have done for a year and let things fall apart even further.

 

[Meister_Rebel]

This only works if Cal and Stanford leave and head to the ACC. I see George W Bush and Condoleezza Rice are pushing for SMU and Stanford to the ACC. State schools in CA are considered a much lower level than the other universities, Stanford and Cal might take one or two, but not all of them. I think the best bet it to get to eight, and work on if from there. SMU and Rice, and San Diego St ( which both objected to last time), and UNLV. All except SDSU are tier 1, SMU and Rice are private schools and highly rated and get you the Dallas and Houston markets. UNLV is a sleeping giant, they have the money to be a better program. Years ago, for many years they had one of the best basketball programs in the County, with a national following, football hasn't been great. However, with their new facilites and a P5 standing that program could do well. The "Runnin' Rebs" could be back. SDSU has held their own in both football and needless to say basketball. Then you look to expand over the next 1-2 years. In 3-5 they'll reshuffle the whole deck anyway, this is just phase 2 or 3 of about 6-8 phases of conference realignment. And the future is with subscription-based services, cable and over the air TV won't be able to continue to pay the money, like it or not, it is the wave of the future.

Streaming services are looking for content, due to the writers strike, getting new subscribers is critical to them right now. Work a deal at a min per school, plus more as subscriptions increase, work out some type of TV deal, won't be great, but the league will need eye balls. Hopefully that gets you to 10 million a school, Use the $400 million left in reserve to offset the loss of revenue from the previous contract for the remaining pac 12 teams. Screw the teams that left claiming they have a right to some of it, they didn't pay exit fees and caused undue harm to the teams they bailed on.

Thanks! We got our dream point guard for this coming season. A top ESPN 100 at #37 D. J. Thomas at PG as a freshman will be running the show with 4 senior starters. If we don't make the NCAAT with the talent we are putting on the floor this season I can guarantee we will be shopping for a better coach. For football we have a new coach out of the SEC who will bring in a hurry up offense and some excellent defensive players. I never get my hopes up too high but I'm expecting a bowl game.

No one thinks about UNLV academically but we are Tier 1 and investing heavily in research. On the rivals Rebel-Net forum our boy "76RunninRebel" found this stat which shows how we have invested in research the last 10 years. You don't have to look too hard to see where UNLV comes in.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Thanks! We got our dream point guard for this coming season. A top ESPN 100 at #37 D. J. Thomas at PG as a freshman will be running the show with 4 senior starters. If we don't make the NCAAT with the talent we are putting on the floor this season I can guarantee we will be shopping for a better coach. For football we have a new coach out of the SEC who will bring in a hurry up offense and some excellent defensive players. I never get my hopes up too high but I'm expecting a bowl game.

No one thinks about UNLV academically but we are Tier 1 and investing heavily in research. On the rivals Rebel-Net forum our boy "76RunninRebel" found this stat which shows how we have invested in research the last 10 years. You don't have to look too hard to see where UNLV comes in.

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Interesting stuff buddy, thanks. I've been pumping UNLV since before the implosion. You guys and SDSU should have been no brainers, and still are. I'm not really a fan of a complete merger with the Mountain West but if that is what it takes to keep WSU from fading into oblivion the so be it.

It's either poach you guys, CSU and I don't know who else, or throw up our hands and beg for admission.

 

[longtimecoug]

No, no and no on SJSU and especially Boise Junior college of trucking. Why do they keep coming up? NO. And Memphis? where does this come from? Same with the other AAC ones.

Look our only path forward is to join the Mountain West Conference, unless they want to dissolve and become the PAC-16. Why is this so Goddam hard to understand? And why the F isn't it already a done deal? Oh let's sit on our asses like we have done for a year and let things fall apart even further.

I think the aac teams are preferable over mt west. Forming a new conference with the best teams from the aac and mt west seems to me to ne a better way to go

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I think the aac teams are preferable over mt west. Forming a new conference with the best teams from the aac and mt west seems to me to ne a better way to go

Can't say I agree at all. Fly halfway or clear across the country in BBall, Baseball, Volleyball, to play team that we have -0- connection with, geographic or otherwise, or hunker down out west with schools that resemble us?

 

[Coug90]

Then they’ll raid the Big Sky. Who’s left after that?!

 

[longtimecoug]

Can't say I agree at all. Fly halfway or clear across the country in BBall, Baseball, Volleyball, to play team that we have -0- connection with, geographic or otherwise, or hunker down out west with schools that resemble us?

Thats the new reality. We can either throw in the towel n ow and fade away or at least make an attempt at staying in big boy athletics

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Thats the new reality. We can either throw in the towel n ow and fade away or at least make an attempt at staying in big boy athletics

I'm not sure how flying across the country to play a bunch of piss-ant schools that nobody cares about helps WSU. WSU vs USF is not a game that people are going to be skipping work to watch.

 

[longtimecoug]

I'm not sure how flying across the country to play a bunch of piss-ant schools that nobody cares about helps WSU. WSU vs USF is not a game that people are going to be skipping work to watch.

The majority of the mt west are piss ant schools

 

[CougPatrol]

No, no and no on SJSU and especially Boise Junior college of trucking. Why do they keep coming up? NO. And Memphis? where does this come from? Same with the other AAC ones.

Look our only path forward is to join the Mountain West Conference, unless they want to dissolve and become the PAC-16. Why is this so Goddam hard to understand? And why the F isn't it already a done deal? Oh let's sit on our asses like we have done for a year and let things fall apart even further.

That's not the only path forward. The media companies call the shots now, and they've forecasted that an AAC / MWC / Pac hybrid merger league will pay double what a MWC only league would pay. $10-$15M vs. $4M. That's a significant difference, obviously.

Conferences are moving to these expanded geographies so they can have games playing in different time zone windows. We're sitting on our arses now while we wait for Stanford and Cal to make a decision. That'll be resolved shortly.

 

[95coug]

The “academic trajectory” chart is a fine example of making statistics say what you want, but leaving our key details.

When you look at percent growth, it completely ignores what the actual expenditures are, and makes something mediocre look pretty good. UNLV has right around $100M in expenditures, up from somewhere around 40M. So, yes….they’ve more than doubled. But they’re actually still a dim shadow of WSU’s research level. WSU has been pretty flat around $350M for quite a while. In fact, if we added their entire research expenditures to ours, we’d only go up 30%.

Basically, you use percent growth to make it look better if your denominator is small. If your budget is modest, a small increase looks like a significant percentage. If your budget is larger, the exact same increase is tiny.

 

[mikalalas]

I still think the best path forward is keeping the Pac-12 in name, even if it's Cougs and Beavs rebooting, unless we get a lifeboat from the Big-12.

Immediate adds:
Fresno
SDSU
SJSU
Boise
UNLV
CSU

Plus top AAC mkts:
Tulane
SMU
Memphis
Rice

HELL NO TO SJSU.


WEST

STANFORD

CAL

SDSU

FRESNO ST


MIDWEST

WSU

ORE ST

BSU

UNLV

EAST

SMU

MEMPHIS

USF

TULANE

ADD GONZAGA, UCONN, ST MARY, SAN FRANSISCO, SAN DIEGO, SEATTLE U in bball to the PAC

Rice can be added to east, CSU or Utah St or Appalachian St or NDSU can be added to West, Midwest

Save 2 to 4 spots for ACC LEFTOVERS, or for adding Vandy, Iowa St, Northwestern, Rutgers

If those things don't happen, then can expand to 14 to 16 by adding Rice, Utah St, CSU, Appalachian St, NDSU

SJSU DOES NOT BELONG.

 

[mikalalas]

Thats the new reality. We can either throw in the towel n ow and fade away or at least make an attempt at staying in big boy athletics

This, either can either go into MWC, or have MWC go into PAC and become a G5 with 1/2 a CFP spot in playoffs, and a 9 mil per team deal

OR

BEST 5 from AAC

BEST 5 from MWC

Add Gonzaga, St Mary, UCONN in bball

Try to add ACC LEFTOVERS, VANDY, IOWA ST, NORTHWESTERN, RUTGERS

Retain P5 status as a tier 2,3 P5/G5 hybrid
1,2 CFP spots, 1,2:NY6 spots, 17 to 20 to 23 million per team deal, 2,3,4,5 NCAA TOURNAMENT BBALL BIDS.

 

[mikalalas]

I'm not sure how flying across the country to play a bunch of piss-ant schools that nobody cares about helps WSU. WSU vs USF is not a game that people are going to be skipping work to watch.

Memphis, USF, ARE BIG TIME

They are NOT ants,

 

[mikalalas]

The majority of the mt west are piss ant schools

Except for SDSU, BSU, Fresno St, UNLV, Utah St.

The rest are ants

 

[mikalalas]

The “academic trajectory” chart is a fine example of making statistics say what you want, but leaving our key details.

When you look at percent growth, it completely ignores what the actual expenditures are, and makes something mediocre look pretty good. UNLV has right around $100M in expenditures, up from somewhere around 40M. So, yes….they’ve more than doubled. But they’re actually still a dim shadow of WSU’s research level. WSU has been pretty flat around $350M for quite a while. In fact, if we added their entire research expenditures to ours, we’d only go up 30%.

Basically, you use percent growth to make it look better if your denominator is small. If your budget is modest, a small increase looks like a significant percentage. If your budget is larger, the exact same increase is tiny.

Again, like always, you overlook how MEMBERSHIP in a P5, can INCREASE numbers.

Colleges like SDSU, UNLV, SMU, etc, have HUGE POTENTIAL TO SKYROCKET IN PAC, P5, etc, both academically, and athletically, etc.

 

[PlutoDroid]

You'll need them next year. The buyout is 35 million to get out in under two years. Without a solid television deal to supplement them, I don't know how these schools afford the buyout. It isn't exactly like these schools are flush with athletic department cash. Unless the PAC whatever is gonna fork over whatever money they have in the war-chest from the eight departing schools forfeiting whatever money they are.

Not sure what the AAC buyout is, but Cincy, Houston, and UCF paid it. But would you want to stagger your additions with 4 AAC schools next year to retain your minimum conference not members ,then 4 MWC schools a year later?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

The majority of the mt west are piss ant schools

I'm not saying that we avoid all of them. We just need to be strategic in our growth. If you aren't creating something compelling, you aren't creating anything at all. Right now, it looks like SMU and Memphis are worth going after if we want a bigger footprint. You could argue that USF makes sense because of potential, but nobody watches them right now. They averaged 81k viewers per game. Other AAC teams? It's important to remember that they brought in a bunch of teams this year. Charlotte averaged 14.8k viewers per game. North Texas, Rice and UTSA didn't even make it on the ratings list that someone posted the other day. FAU averaged 12k. What......the.....actual.......f#ck!

SMU, Memphis, Tulane, East Carolina and Tulsa were all at least mediocre. Navy was good...but that's only because of the Army/Navy game. They suck the rest of the time. It might make sense to pick the best that are left, but we already missed out on Cincy, Houston, and UCF. Strategic cherry picking or stay away completely.

 

[mikalalas]

You'll need them next year. The buyout is 35 million to get out in under two years. Without a solid television deal to supplement them, I don't know how these schools afford the buyout. It isn't exactly like these schools are flush with athletic department cash. Unless the PAC whatever is gonna fork over whatever money they have in the war-chest from the eight departing schools forfeiting whatever money they are.

Not sure what the AAC buyout is, but Cincy, Houston, and UCF paid it. But would you want to stagger your additions with 4 AAC schools next year to retain your minimum conference not members ,then 4 MWC schools a year later?

Yes the PAC should get the BEST 4,5 AAC programs, for a 7 to 10 to 13 million per team buy out, that will come out of the PAC financial chest of money from NCAA money owed the PAC, and the money($400 mil) the teams that gave notice that leaving PAC, left, lost, etc.

Then in, for 2025, the PAC adds the 4,5 best MWC, after the 35 mil penalty over.

Also after the PAC gets the 5 best AAC teams then either gets a UPGRADEABLE, FLEXIBLE media deal, or a temporary media deal, that can, would be replaced in 1,2 years.

That also would help with the adding the MWC teams.

The 4,5 best AAC teams would join PAC without a deal yet, because they would know that a 11 to 13 to 15 mil to 17 to 19 mil deal would get done after they joined.

Then after the 4,5 best MWC programs added, after the 4,5 best AAC programs added, then PAC can try to get ACC LEFTOVERS, IF FSU finds a way to leave, an or try to maybe add Vandy, Iowa St, Northwestern, Rutgers, Duke, etc.

If that not possible the PAC then adds 2 to 4 of, Utah St, CSU, UTSA, Apalachian St, NDSU.

After that, PAC adds Gonzaga, UCONN, St Mary, San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle U, Villanova, in Bball only

After that the PAC retains it's P5 status, gets 1,2 CFP spots, 1,2 NY6 spots, 2,3,4,5,6 NCAA tourny bball bids, 15 to 17 to 19 million per team deal.

Top football programs would be Stanford, WSU, Ore St, Cal, SDSU, SMU, USF, Tulane, BSU, Fresno St.

Top bball programs would be

UCONN, GONZAGA, VILLANOVA, STANFORD, MEMPHIS, SDSU, UNLV, ST Mary, SMU, St Mary, WSU, Tulane, San Francisco, San Diego.

 

[mikalalas]

I'm not saying that we avoid all of them. We just need to be strategic in our growth. If you aren't creating something compelling, you aren't creating anything at all. Right now, it looks like SMU and Memphis are worth going after if we want a bigger footprint. You could argue that USF makes sense because of potential, but nobody watches them right now. They averaged 81k viewers per game. Other AAC teams? It's important to remember that they brought in a bunch of teams this year. Charlotte averaged 14.8k viewers per game. North Texas, Rice and UTSA didn't even make it on the ratings list that someone posted the other day. FAU averaged 12k. What......the.....actual.......f#ck!

SMU, Memphis, Tulane, East Carolina and Tulsa were all at least mediocre. Navy was good...but that's only because of the Army/Navy game. They suck the rest of the time. It might make sense to pick the best that are left, but we already missed out on Cincy, Houston, and UCF. Strategic cherry picking or stay away completely.

Take SMU, MEMPHIS, USF, Tulane,

Leave all the others, except maybe Tulsa, Rice, if add a 5th AAC teams, if not then just the top 4.

 

[Wazzubrooz]

The majority of the mt west are piss ant schools

This to me, seems like the attitude of the PAC-12 leadership that escorted us to this shitty point in time. Arrogance.

 

[CougPatrol]

This to me, seems like the attitude of the PAC-12 leadership that escorted us to this shitty point in time. Arrogance.

Yea, totally. I'm careful about who I refer to as a piss ant school. Some of the football programs are smaller than ours, but look up the attendance numbers. They're not far behind us, if at all, and we've had the luxury of P12 affiliation boosting our attendance numbers. How you think our attendance average is going to look without home games vs. UW, Oregon, USC, Utah, etc.? The same holds true for our TV ratings. How do you think those numbers are going to adjust without the P12 schedule?

2022 football attendance averages:

WSU 26,185
Oregon St 31,498
Boise St 35,121
SDSU 29,892
Fresno 39,067
UNLV 22,112
Air Force 26,926
Colorado State 26,891
Tulane 20,361
SMU 24,971
Memphis 26,196
Rice 19,011
Temple 17,277
Texas St 17,541
UTSA 26,835
Army 28,647
Navy 36,165

 

[PlutoDroid]

Yes the PAC should get the BEST 4,5 AAC programs, for a 7 to 10 to 13 million per team buy out, that will come out of the PAC financial chest of money from NCAA money owed the PAC, and the money($400 mil) the teams that gave notice that leaving PAC, left, lost, etc.

Then in, for 2025, the PAC adds the 4,5 best MWC, after the 35 mil penalty over.

Also after the PAC gets the 5 best AAC teams then either gets a UPGRADEABLE, FLEXIBLE media deal, or a temporary media deal, that can, would be replaced in 1,2 years.

That also would help with the adding the MWC teams.

The 4,5 best AAC teams would join PAC without a deal yet, because they would know that a 11 to 13 to 15 mil to 17 to 19 mil deal would get done after they joined.

Then after the 4,5 best MWC programs added, after the 4,5 best AAC programs added, then PAC can try to get ACC LEFTOVERS, IF FSU finds a way to leave, an or try to maybe add Vandy, Iowa St, Northwestern, Rutgers, Duke, etc.

If that not possible the PAC then adds 2 to 4 of, Utah St, CSU, UTSA, Apalachian St, NDSU.

After that, PAC adds Gonzaga, UCONN, St Mary, San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle U, Villanova, in Bball only

After that the PAC retains it's P5 status, gets 1,2 CFP spots, 1,2 NY6 spots, 2,3,4,5,6 NCAA tourny bball bids, 15 to 17 to 19 million per team deal.

Top football programs would be Stanford, WSU, Ore St, Cal, SDSU, SMU, USF, Tulane, BSU, Fresno St.

Top bball programs would be

UCONN, GONZAGA, VILLANOVA, STANFORD, MEMPHIS, SDSU, UNLV, ST Mary, SMU, St Mary, WSU, Tulane, San Francisco, San Diego.

Memphis seems to be pretty desperate to find any alternative. Tulane, SMU, and USF are likely as well. USF has worked hard the last ten years to improve their academic standing. Finally getting AAU status this year. It was at the expense of their athletic programs, which allowed UCF to bypass them. Academic standing is more important, after all it is a University. Something USF will rub in FSU's face, as it was FSU who the AAU denied entry to in place of USF. A black eye to the older state school.

But now USF is back into building up their athletic programs. Proposed is a 400 million dollar on campus stadium, that is looking likely.

So you would get Memphis, SMU, Tulane, and USF. Which would carry top 50 television markets. Tulane has a new stadium, SMU has a rich alumni base, Memphis is close to getting major stadium renovations, and like I said, USF is now back in building mode. Having UCF join a P5 league has pissed them off. There may not be another boat for any of those four.


It's an interesting proposition. Probably the only way the PAC has a chance to survive. Everything hinges on Stanford though.

 

[Cougini5591]

I'm not sure how flying across the country to play a bunch of piss-ant schools that nobody cares about helps WSU. WSU vs USF is not a game that people are going to be skipping work to watch.

I would

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Memphis seems to be pretty desperate to find any alternative. Tulane, SMU, and USF are likely as well. USF has worked hard the last ten years to improve their academic standing. Finally getting AAU status this year. It was at the expense of their athletic programs, which allowed UCF to bypass them. Academic standing is more important, after all it is a University. Something USF will rub in FSU's face, as it was FSU who the AAU denied entry to in place of USF. A black eye to the older state school.

But now USF is back into building up their athletic programs. Proposed is a 400 million dollar on campus stadium, that is looking likely.

So you would get Memphis, SMU, Tulane, and USF. Which would carry top 50 television markets. Tulane has a new stadium, SMU has a rich alumni base, Memphis is close to getting major stadium renovations, and like I said, USF is now back in building mode. Having UCF join a P5 league has pissed them off. There may not be another boat for any of those four.


It's an interesting proposition. Probably the only way the PAC has a chance to survive. Everything hinges on Stanford though.

Wait - UCF got AAU status? Something WSU has coveted since the Rawlings/Floyd years. WTF?

 

[mikalalas]

Memphis seems to be pretty desperate to find any alternative. Tulane, SMU, and USF are likely as well. USF has worked hard the last ten years to improve their academic standing. Finally getting AAU status this year. It was at the expense of their athletic programs, which allowed UCF to bypass them. Academic standing is more important, after all it is a University. Something USF will rub in FSU's face, as it was FSU who the AAU denied entry to in place of USF. A black eye to the older state school.

But now USF is back into building up their athletic programs. Proposed is a 400 million dollar on campus stadium, that is looking likely.

So you would get Memphis, SMU, Tulane, and USF. Which would carry top 50 television markets. Tulane has a new stadium, SMU has a rich alumni base, Memphis is close to getting major stadium renovations, and like I said, USF is now back in building mode. Having UCF join a P5 league has pissed them off. There may not be another boat for any of those four.


It's an interesting proposition. Probably the only way the PAC has a chance to survive. Everything hinges on Stanford though.

Yes in a way it does and does not hinge on Stanford, because if Stanford SNOBLY says no, and IF at least CAL says yes, then the rest of the PAC 4, can say to Stanford as the PAC 3, and say "If your not going to say yes to this, then we the PAC 3 will do this without you, and your free to either go Independent, or to ACC, if they will take you, which your 1,2 votes shy of, that probably won't change, or the Big 10, but the Big 10 would have taken you by now and probably won't happen unless both you and Notre Dame both join Big 10, which probably won't happen unless FSU leaves, destroys the ACC. There are a lot of ACADEMIC institutions, stop being so SNOBBY, ARROGANT, etc, or you'll be left out in the cold. This is the ONLY WAY, you and the rest of us will be a P5 conference, with 1,2 CFP spots, 1,2 NY6 spots, keep the Rosebowl, get 2,3,4,5,6 NCAA tourny bids, and get about a 17 to 20 to 23 to 27 mil per team media deal in the future."

They can do it without Stanford, but got to have at least CAL, and MIGHT be able to do it without both Stanford, Cal.

But it would be nice if both Stanford, Cal both, say yes, and they probably would say yes to this, if pitched right to them, because it has a lot of pretty awesome academic colleges academically..

Or Stanford could extremely slightly tweak this. But BSU gets added they are TOO Awesome of a FOOTBALL program, with a AWESOME NATIONAL BRAND, that OVERCOMES, OVERRIDES them being a junior college, truck school academically.

But I don't think PAC leadership is good enough to do something that is either this or like this, and altho Oliver Luck MIGHT PROBABLY is, be Good enough to do this, it remains to be seen if the PAC leadership, will listen to, approve what Luck does, etc.

So just a awesome idea on paper that would work on paper, that doable on paper, but until, if PAC leadership actually does it, it's just a awesome, workable idea on paper.

 

[mikalalas]

Wait - UCF got AAU status? Something WSU has coveted since the Rawlings/Floyd years. WTF?

Not sure about UCF, he said USF, got AAU status, NOT UCF, your getting what he said mixed up.

 

[mikalalas]

I would

He does not get that it's NOT about butts in the seat anymore, and that it's TV VIEWERSHIP, strength of football program, how much potential value they can potentially offer, and it's all about MONEY, P5 status, CFP status, NY6 status, NCAA tourny bids, etc

He also does not get that while you start with the 4,5 best AAC teams, that you add 4,5 best MWC teams later, etc

He also does not get that their can be east, west decisions, or West, Midwest, east divisions, pods, etc, to help with the travel distance of student athletes, fans, etc.

 

[PeteTheChop]

Not sure about UCF, he said USF, got AAU status, NOT UCF, your getting what he said mixed up.

Thanks for the clarification Mik

USF (AAU) is the one in Tampa that plays in the American Conf.

UCF (not AAU) is the one in Orlando the plays in the Big 12

 

[PeteTheChop]

Yes in a way it does and does not hinge on Stanford, because if Stanford SNOBLY says no, and IF at least CAL says yes, then the rest of the PAC 4, can say to Stanford as the PAC 3, and say "If your not going to say yes to this, then we the PAC 3 will do this without you, and your free to either go Independent, or to ACC, if they will take you, which your 1,2 votes shy of, that probably won't change, or the Big 10, but the Big 10 would have taken you by now and probably won't happen unless both you and Notre Dame both join Big 10, which probably won't happen unless FSU leaves, destroys the ACC. There are a lot of ACADEMIC institutions, stop being so SNOBBY, ARROGANT, etc, or you'll be left out in the cold. This is the ONLY WAY, you and the rest of us will be a P5 conference, with 1,2 CFP spots, 1,2 NY6 spots, keep the Rosebowl, get 2,3,4,5,6 NCAA tourny bids, and get about a 17 to 20 to 23 to 27 mil per team media deal in the future."

They can do it without Stanford, but got to have at least CAL, and MIGHT be able to do it without both Stanford, Cal.

But it would be nice if both Stanford, Cal both, say yes, and they probably would say yes to this, if pitched right to them, because it has a lot of pretty awesome academic colleges academically..

Or Stanford could extremely slightly tweak this. But BSU gets added they are TOO Awesome of a FOOTBALL program, with a AWESOME NATIONAL BRAND, that OVERCOMES, OVERRIDES them being a junior college, truck school academically.

But I don't think PAC leadership is good enough to do something that is either this or like this, and altho Oliver Luck MIGHT PROBABLY is, be Good enough to do this, it remains to be seen if the PAC leadership, will listen to, approve what Luck does, etc.

So just a awesome idea on paper that would work on paper, that doable on paper, but until, if PAC leadership actually does it, it's just a awesome, workable idea on paper.

Great post

Seems pretty clear the Pac-12 schools have worked in pods/pairs this entire process:

• USC and UCLA worked together
• Oregon and Washington worked together
• Colorado, Arizona, ASU and Utah worked together
• WSU and OSU are working together (with Oliver Luck)
• Stanford and Cal are working together (with Condolisa Rice)

 

[PeteTheChop]

Yes in a way it does and does not hinge on Stanford, because if Stanford SNOBLY says no, and IF at least CAL says yes, then the rest of the PAC 4, can say to Stanford as the PAC 3, and say "If your not going to say yes to this, then we the PAC 3 will do this without you, and your free to either go Independent, or to ACC, if they will take you, which your 1,2 votes shy of, that probably won't change, or the Big 10, but the Big 10 would have taken you by now and probably won't happen unless both you and Notre Dame both join Big 10, which probably won't happen unless FSU leaves, destroys the ACC. There are a lot of ACADEMIC institutions, stop being so SNOBBY, ARROGANT, etc, or you'll be left out in the cold. This is the ONLY WAY, you and the rest of us will be a P5 conference, with 1,2 CFP spots, 1,2 NY6 spots, keep the Rosebowl, get 2,3,4,5,6 NCAA tourny bids, and get about a 17 to 20 to 23 to 27 mil per team media deal in the future."

They can do it without Stanford, but got to have at least CAL, and MIGHT be able to do it without both Stanford, Cal.

But it would be nice if both Stanford, Cal both, say yes, and they probably would say yes to this, if pitched right to them, because it has a lot of pretty awesome academic colleges academically..

Or Stanford could extremely slightly tweak this. But BSU gets added they are TOO Awesome of a FOOTBALL program, with a AWESOME NATIONAL BRAND, that OVERCOMES, OVERRIDES them being a junior college, truck school academically.

But I don't think PAC leadership is good enough to do something that is either this or like this, and altho Oliver Luck MIGHT PROBABLY is, be Good enough to do this, it remains to be seen if the PAC leadership, will listen to, approve what Luck does, etc.

So just a awesome idea on paper that would work on paper, that doable on paper, but until, if PAC leadership actually does it, it's just a awesome, workable idea on paper.

Great post, Mik

Seems pretty clear that the Pac-12 schools have in pods/pairs in this entire process:

• USC and UCLA worked together
• Oregon and Washington worked together
• Colorado, Arizona, ASU and Utah worked together
• WSU and OSU are working together (with Oliver Luck)
• Stanford and Cal are working together (with Condoleeza Rice)

 

[PlutoDroid]

Wait - UCF got AAU status? Something WSU has coveted since the Rawlings/Floyd years. WTF?

I meant USF. They kind of denied focus on their athletic programs the last decade, allowing UCF to jump past them. Funny enough that it was USF that blocked UCF from getting into the old Big East. USF has bragging rights in academia, UCF has bragging rights on the field.

 

[PlutoDroid]

Yes in a way it does and does not hinge on Stanford, because if Stanford SNOBLY says no, and IF at least CAL says yes, then the rest of the PAC 4, can say to Stanford as the PAC 3, and say "If your not going to say yes to this, then we the PAC 3 will do this without you, and your free to either go Independent, or to ACC, if they will take you, which your 1,2 votes shy of, that probably won't change, or the Big 10, but the Big 10 would have taken you by now and probably won't happen unless both you and Notre Dame both join Big 10, which probably won't happen unless FSU leaves, destroys the ACC. There are a lot of ACADEMIC institutions, stop being so SNOBBY, ARROGANT, etc, or you'll be left out in the cold. This is the ONLY WAY, you and the rest of us will be a P5 conference, with 1,2 CFP spots, 1,2 NY6 spots, keep the Rosebowl, get 2,3,4,5,6 NCAA tourny bids, and get about a 17 to 20 to 23 to 27 mil per team media deal in the future."

They can do it without Stanford, but got to have at least CAL, and MIGHT be able to do it without both Stanford, Cal.

But it would be nice if both Stanford, Cal both, say yes, and they probably would say yes to this, if pitched right to them, because it has a lot of pretty awesome academic colleges academically..

Or Stanford could extremely slightly tweak this. But BSU gets added they are TOO Awesome of a FOOTBALL program, with a AWESOME NATIONAL BRAND, that OVERCOMES, OVERRIDES them being a junior college, truck school academically.

But I don't think PAC leadership is good enough to do something that is either this or like this, and altho Oliver Luck MIGHT PROBABLY is, be Good enough to do this, it remains to be seen if the PAC leadership, will listen to, approve what Luck does, etc.

So just a awesome idea on paper that would work on paper, that doable on paper, but until, if PAC leadership actually does it, it's just a awesome, workable idea on paper.

Agree. Probably the best possible outcome for WSU and ORST. The Mountain West, AAC, or Sun Belt have zero chance of being considered a P5 league. The question is if the name PAC# keeps enough cache to keep a seat at the table. The Big 12 had their "hateful eight", then added the four best non P5 members available.

BYU has a national title in their history, and a pretty good national following. Houston is in a top ten television market, has had a pretty good basketball program. They've been a candidate for promotion for years. UCF has the fastest growing alumni base in the country. They reside in a growing market, have a big vocal fanbase. They bring the Florida recruiting, and have had a'lot of success the last ten years. Cincy resides in a top 30 market, has great football in the state of Ohio, and have recently made a four team CFP. A fear seemed impossible for any G5 member. But they were actually part of a P6 league for almost a decade. Even won the league a couple times. Their basketball program has a rich history as well, with two national titles.

So the question remains , and we won't know until a decision is made. Is Oregon State, Washington State, Cal, Stanford, SMU, Tulane, Memphis, USF, enough to remain a P5 league? Then can you add BSU, SDSU, and maybe UNLV, enough? Maybe even a Fresno, Nevada, Colorado State, Utah State, or New Mexico.

 

[mikalalas]

Agree. Probably the best possible outcome for WSU and ORST. The Mountain West, AAC, or Sun Belt have zero chance of being considered a P5 league. The question is if the name PAC# keeps enough cache to keep a seat at the table. The Big 12 had their "hateful eight", then added the four best non P5 members available.

BYU has a national title in their history, and a pretty good national following. Houston is in a top ten television market, has had a pretty good basketball program. They've been a candidate for promotion for years. UCF has the fastest growing alumni base in the country. They reside in a growing market, have a big vocal fanbase. They bring the Florida recruiting, and have had a'lot of success the last ten years. Cincy resides in a top 30 market, has great football in the state of Ohio, and have recently made a four team CFP. A fear seemed impossible for any G5 member. But they were actually part of a P6 league for almost a decade. Even won the league a couple times. Their basketball program has a rich history as well, with two national titles.

So the question remains , and we won't know until a decision is made. Is Oregon State, Washington State, Cal, Stanford, SMU, Tulane, Memphis, USF, enough to remain a P5 league? Then can you add BSU, SDSU, and maybe UNLV, enough? Maybe even a Fresno, Nevada, Colorado State, Utah State, or New Mexico.

It will be enough once if add SDSU, BSU, Fresno St, UNLV, from MWC, after add SMU, Tulane, Memphis, USF.

And if they either add ANY ACC LEFTOVERS, or POACH ANY of either Vandy, Iowa St, Northwestern, Rutgers, Duke, If any of those programs see the writing on the Wall that they will eventually get kicked out of conference, and that they have ZERO chance at CFP, in the conference they are inz and that thr only way for them to have a chance at CFP is to Join the PAC, and that if they do, there will be a bigger PAC media deal.

And if PAC adds Gonzaga, UConn, Villanova, etc, in bball.

If the PAC does between most to almost all that to all that, the PAC would retain its P5 status.