this team stinks

[SaveFerris]

Deflect much? Exactly HOW do their facilities "destroy" ours? Weight rooms are better and bigger, now that FB has vacated ours? You telling me that piss-ant kennel with it's roll out seats is "better"? Why? Because they have a few "Box" seats shoved in the corners? Locker rooms have plasma TV's? What?

I was not asking to compare charter flights, attendance or FOB's. Just their overall BB facilities.

Check the links in my reply to your post. It has the practice facilities for both GU and Santa Clara. Also, Ethridge has stated a number of times when she interviewed she just didn't see how we could compete with what we had and she meant facilities for sure and perhaps charters. She was obviously doing a good job at Norther Colorado but I'm assuming she increased her salary and has assurance they will give her a lot of time.

Point? If it was a tough call between Norther Colorado and WSU for our women's basketball coach it's probably an even tougher sell for our men's coach. I enjoy the women's game but there isn't the competition for recruits, shoe companies funneling players to programs, and it might not be quite as difficult to convince players to come to an isolated rural setting although I have nothing to back that up with.

 

[Loyal Coug]

Check the links in my reply to your post. It has the practice facilities for both GU and Santa Clara. Also, Ethridge has stated a number of times when she interviewed she just didn't see how we could compete with what we had and she meant facilities for sure and perhaps charters. She was obviously doing a good job at Norther Colorado but I'm assuming she increased her salary and has assurance they will give her a lot of time.

Point? If it was a tough call between Norther Colorado and WSU for our women's basketball coach it's probably an even tougher sell for our men's coach. I enjoy the women's game but there isn't the competition for recruits, shoe companies funneling players to programs, and it might not be quite as difficult to convince players to come to an isolated rural setting although I have nothing to back that up with.

Allright I looked at your links. And you are telling me that WSU doesn't have adequate weight rooms, or "Student-athletes and coaches can enhance their work outs by using the bluetooth sound system to play music"
or Additional restrooms for use by students participating in club and intramural sports on Bellomy Field, or A nutrition station for student-athletes or a nutrition center or the kitchenette provides a place for students to fix meals and snacks during the day

So do these "student" athletes ever actually leave their little nests and go to school with 18,000 of their fellow students?

I'm not saying that WSU is the crème de la crème as far as basketball "amenities", but give me a break. If Kamie Ethridge doesn't think her women's BB team can handle the pre-Bronze Age facilities at WSU, who was the place where Title IX began (for you young'uns), then maybe she should have stayed at N Colorado.

 

[jourdand]

A million dollars a year isn’t life cahanging? I wish I lived in your world! Whose career has been killed by WSU? Even Graham was a assistant coach for 8 years after WSU. Hell Wulff landed on his feat.

 

[SaveFerris]

Allright I looked at your links. And you are telling me that WSU doesn't have adequate weight rooms, or "Student-athletes and coaches can enhance their work outs by using the bluetooth sound system to play music"
or Additional restrooms for use by students participating in club and intramural sports on Bellomy Field, or A nutrition station for student-athletes or a nutrition center or the kitchenette provides a place for students to fix meals and snacks during the day

So do these "student" athletes ever actually leave their little nests and go to school with 18,000 of their fellow students?

I'm not saying that WSU is the crème de la crème as far as basketball "amenities", but give me a break. If Kamie Ethridge doesn't think her women's BB team can handle the pre-Bronze Age facilities at WSU, who was the place where Title IX began (for you young'uns), then maybe she should have stayed at N Colorado.

Your just against the spending. Do you really think this evenly remotely compares?

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Your just against the spending. Do you really think this evenly remotely compares?

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Moos is dripping with excitement! Lol.

 

[etowncoug]

A million dollars a year isn’t life cahanging? I wish I lived in your world! Whose career has been killed by WSU? Even Graham was a assistant coach for 8 years after WSU. Hell Wulff landed on his feat.

You are talking about $600,000 a year after taxes, when you are likely clearing $200,000 already after taxes. Its not enough to pay off the house, or even to retire on. Basically it translates into a bigger house, bigger mortgage payment, nicer vehicle, bigger TV. All nice but come with a need to generate a larger income in the future to maintain that lifestyle.

If I were a Paul Graham or Paul Wulff, I'd take a WSU job in a heartbeat. They had no business being offered a job as a head coach at the major conference level, so every penny they made more than what they were earning was gravy. There was no career to wreck for those guys.

Ken Bone, on the other hand, was a head coach with a decent reputation who could move himself into a better situation. His inability to overcome the challenges with Pullman led to a decline in the program and he'll never be a head coach at the D1 level again. If he doesn't come here, I could see him working his way into the Mountain West as a head coach and being in position to land a better situation for himself. I'm guessing Ken Bone cost himself a lot of money by coming here. It's worth noting no up and comers were itching to replace Bone when we fires him. It's not like Bill Moos circled Ernie Kent and passed over numerous other coaches for him.

The next coach at WSU fits one of four profiles, IMO.
1) Long time assistant who doesnt want to pay his dues at a midmajor. Think Paul Graham or Mark Hopkins.
2) Coach who wins at a midmajor but lacks the sizzle to get a lot of chances at a major program. Think Ken Bone.
3) Retired commentator who is a "name" but is only in it for the payday. Think Mike Montgomery, Ernie Kent.
Actually I'd be 100% in favor of Bill Walton if we could get him. At least press conferences would be entertaining. Mentored by Wooden. Perfect mad scientist to pair with Leach. As far as longshots go, it might actually work.
4) Finally, someone Chun or Shultz can bring out of retirement due to their connection. Think Dick Bennett. Of course, neither have much of a track record with successful mens basketball coaches.

 

[jourdand]

Travis DeCuire makes $175,000 a year. Maybe it’s just me but I’d risk my career for 1.3 million a year if I was in his shoes. Now I’m going to go crazy here and ask what about Romar? Also Dan Majerle would be on my list.

 

[Brent H.]

Travis DeCuire makes $175,000 a year. Maybe it’s just me but I’d risk my career for 1.3 million a year if I was in his shoes. Now I’m going to go crazy here and ask what about Romar? Also Dan Majerle would be on my list.

I don't see Majerle leaving GCU. They are trying to create a mini Gonzaga there. They've put all their money into basketball facilities. But to say nobody will take a job at Wazzu is not true. Wazzu is paying Kent $1.4M, they'll pay another coach that or more. Coaches might want the challenge, also, coaches might know their limitations at schools like Montana or Seattle U. They best they'll ever get is maybe a 11 or a 10 seed in the tournament and they'd have to win their tournament every year to just got a shot, they aren't getting at-large bids. Wazzu is a tough job, but if you turn it around you are setting yourself up for a even bigger job. And if you fail, you get 5 years at $1.5M and then go be an assistant at another school until you get a shot again. Coaching is a retread sport, you can suck at your job and you'll still find a job.

 

[Observer11]

Travis DeCuire makes $175,000 a year. Maybe it’s just me but I’d risk my career for 1.3 million a year if I was in his shoes. Now I’m going to go crazy here and ask what about Romar? Also Dan Majerle would be on my list.

Forgot about Travis. Good call, too as far as folks with local connections. Also- can't remember his name - but dude from Tacoma CC who went down to Florida. Ace recruiter.

 

[Loyal Coug]

Your just against the spending. Do you really think this evenly remotely compares?

Ok, I'm not going to carry this argument out, but remotely compares to what? Gonzaga's weight machines are next door to the practice court and those poor Cougs have to walk clear across Bohler gym, to a weightroom that now has 115 fewer athletes (FB) using the existing space. Is our actual weightroom, that used to accomodate FB too, inferior to Gonzaga's?

https://wsucougars.com/facilities/?id=13

https://wsucougars.com/facilities/

Regarding the practice court. Well it looks like a regulation court, with baskets and everything. And video! And yes Beasley is a whole 2 blocks away. Bummer that our athletes attend a major research university and not a Basketball team with a sub-par school attached.

My whole point is that some people here squalor about facilities, facilities. OK, what exactly is missing? What is Kamie bitching about? WTH do you need in order to coach and train 15 guys (or women) to run up and down a 90 foot court?

Now the charter discussion, I'm in 100% agreement with. Especially with our remoteness as far as taking commercial flights, and the closeness of Pullman International Airport vis a vis jumping on a charter. Maybe WSU should buy a plane. Larry Scott might have one for sale pretty soon......

That said, I'm done with this.

 

[etowncoug]

Travis DeCuire makes $175,000 a year. Maybe it’s just me but I’d risk my career for 1.3 million a year if I was in his shoes. Now I’m going to go crazy here and ask what about Romar? Also Dan Majerle would be on my list.

DeCuire has better options than us.

Romar would be worse than Kent. Guy couldn't win with NBA first rounders. Imagine what he'd do with a collection of 2 star recruits.

Majerle is staying at GCU. Definitely isnt leaving to go to a doormat with substandard facilities

The problem is we dont offer much to a coach. Firing Kent leaves an athletic department already in the red paying issuing additional deficit spending to hire a new coach. I'd be shocked if our next coach makes what Ernie makes initially. And if we issue a million bucks a year in new spending on basketball, would the program be better off putting that money into charter flights?

All we can really offer is money, and the money we can offer isn't much compared to other major conference schools. Just don't be surprised if we land a coach who impresses absolutely no one.

 

[7ICoug]

Travis DeCuire makes $175,000 a year. Maybe it’s just me but I’d risk my career for 1.3 million a year if I was in his shoes. Now I’m going to go crazy here and ask what about Romar? Also Dan Majerle would be on my list.

Bingo.

 

[Loyal Coug]

A million dollars a year isn’t life cahanging? I wish I lived in your world! Whose career has been killed by WSU? Even Graham was a assistant coach for 8 years after WSU. Hell Wulff landed on his feat.

You are talking about $600,000 a year after taxes, when you are likely clearing $200,000 already after taxes. Its not enough to pay off the house, or even to retire on. Basically it translates into a bigger house, bigger mortgage payment, nicer vehicle, bigger TV. All nice but come with a need to generate a larger income in the future to maintain that lifestyle.

If I were a Paul Graham or Paul Wulff, I'd take a WSU job in a heartbeat. They had no business being offered a job as a head coach at the major conference level, so every penny they made more than what they were earning was gravy. There was no career to wreck for those guys.

Ken Bone, on the other hand, was a head coach with a decent reputation who could move himself into a better situation. His inability to overcome the challenges with Pullman led to a decline in the program and he'll never be a head coach at the D1 level again. If he doesn't come here, I could see him working his way into the Mountain West as a head coach and being in position to land a better situation for himself. I'm guessing Ken Bone cost himself a lot of money by coming here. It's worth noting no up and comers were itching to replace Bone when we fires him. It's not like Bill Moos circled Ernie Kent and passed over numerous other coaches for him.

This would make for a pretty good financial analysis if you looked at a Ken Bone or a Paul Wulff. Wulff was probably at what - $150,000 or so at EWU? So WSU at $600K was life changing. Now I bet he makes less than $100K at Sac St, and zero now that they are fired. So we could do a present value calc (yes, after-tax) of how he would have sat after another 20+ years up at EWU vs the big but short payday at WSU and crumbs after that. Maybe a D-2 gig down the road.

Bone, same thing. In either case, aside from the non-monetary issue of uprooting your life and family (nothing new for a coach), and assuming the coach isn't an idiot with his money, I bet the big payday ends up being a better deal bottom line.

 

[Observer11]

Ok, I'm not going to carry this argument out, but remotely compares to what? Gonzaga's weight machines are next door to the practice court and those poor Cougs have to walk clear across Bohler gym, to a weightroom that now has 115 fewer athletes (FB) using the existing space. Is our actual weightroom, that used to accomodate FB too, inferior to Gonzaga's?

https://wsucougars.com/facilities/?id=13

https://wsucougars.com/facilities/

Regarding the practice court. Well it looks like a regulation court, with baskets and everything. And video! And yes Beasley is a whole 2 blocks away. Bummer that our athletes attend a major research university and not a Basketball team with a sub-par school attached.

My whole point is that some people here squalor about facilities, facilities. OK, what exactly is missing? What is Kamie bitching about? WTH do you need in order to coach and train 15 guys (or women) to run up and down a 90 foot court?

Now the charter discussion, I'm in 100% agreement with. Especially with our remoteness as far as taking commercial flights, and the closeness of Pullman International Airport vis a vis jumping on a charter. Maybe WSU should buy a plane. Larry Scott might have one for sale pretty soon......

That said, I'm done with this.

No you aren't. You're simply refusing to admit that D-1 level recruits look at things like facilities and other amenities when choosing where to play. You need PLAYERS to coach up. If you're only getting leftovers and might-pan-outs-but-probably-not, you may as well practice out on the playground Lincoln Middle School and shovel off the snow in the winter by your logic. It's 90 feet, right?

WSU is playing in the same gym I played lunch ball in 3 decades ago, slapping some posters up and calling it good. That ain't gonna cut it at the P5 level.

Idaho is dropping $45 Million into a basketball facility. Portland State just dropped $25 Million into theirs. WSU - zzzzzzzzzzz.

 

[etowncoug]

This would make for a pretty good financial analysis if you looked at a Ken Bone or a Paul Wulff. Wulff was probably at what - $150,000 or so at EWU? So WSU at $600K was life changing. Now I bet he makes less than $100K at Sac St, and zero now that they are fired. So we could do a present value calc (yes, after-tax) of how he would have sat after another 20+ years up at EWU vs the big but short payday at WSU and crumbs after that. Maybe a D-2 gig down the road.

Bone, same thing. In either case, aside from the non-monetary issue of uprooting your life and family (nothing new for a coach), and assuming the coach isn't an idiot with his money, I bet the big payday ends up being a better deal bottom line.

For Wulff, maybe. He was never going to be a hot commodity. Someone like Beau Baldwin has done a better job for himself. Landing a gig as a Pac-12 offensive coordinator and doubling his salary in the process. Odds are he'll double his salary again in a few years too. My guess is Wulff could have made a decent living following this path. But let's be honest about Wulff, the man sabotaged himself with his post firing presser. Exiting with class would have probably made him a few more dollars over the year.

Bone, pretty sure he got hurt by the move to Pullman. He had a job for life at Portland St and would have been able to take another better paying job in the future. Have to think Bone would be the head man at a WCC or Mountain West school by now, possibly in line for a big payday in the final 10 years or so of his career.

 

[Loyal Coug]

No you aren't. You're simply refusing to admit that D-1 level recruits look at things like facilities and other amenities when choosing where to play. You need PLAYERS to coach up. If you're only getting leftovers and might-pan-outs-but-probably-not, you may as well practice out on the playground Lincoln Middle School and shovel off the snow in the winter by your logic. It's 90 feet, right?

WSU is playing in the same gym I played lunch ball in 3 decades ago, slapping some posters up and calling it good. That ain't gonna cut it at the P5 level.

Idaho is dropping $45 Million into a basketball facility. Portland State just dropped $25 Million into theirs. WSU - zzzzzzzzzzz.

Oh brother. Idaho plays basketball in the Kibbee Dome. Now they are going to build an arena of sorts. That's an apples to apples comparison for sure.

Still waiting for your comparison of WSU's weightroom, etc. to Gonzaga's. Let's go machine by machine. Or not.

Better yet, just list what "amenities" WSU needs to build for these 15 players to allow them to compete. Don't forget the place to heat up snacks that Gonzaga has......

 

[Observer11]

Oh brother. Idaho plays basketball in the Kibbee Dome. Now they are going to build an arena of sorts. That's an apples to apples comparison for sure.

Still waiting for your comparison of WSU's weightroom, etc. to Gonzaga's. Let's go machine by machine. Or not.

Better yet, just list what "amenities" WSU needs to build for these 15 players to allow them to compete. Don't forget the place to heat up snacks that Gonzaga has......

Gonzaga has been to the Final Four and multiple trips to the Elite 8 in the last 10 years. They have magic food and magic weight machines. They have a secret voodoo doctor that hexes their opponents.

You simply refuse to acknowledge they have better players, better facilities, better coaches, better everything with regard to their basketball program. What more do you want me to say? The results speak for themselves. It has to be just magic weight machines and secret powder that makes them so much better than WSU. There is no other plausible explanation in your world because they both play on 10 foot high baskets and 90 foot long courts.

 

[Observer11]

Just like when Wulff and his squads played on 100 yard long fields.

 

[longtimecoug]

Gonzaga has been to the Final Four and multiple trips to the Elite 8 in the last 10 years. They have magic food and magic weight machines. They have a secret voodoo doctor that hexes their opponents.

You simply refuse to acknowledge they have better players, better facilities, better coaches, better everything with regard to their basketball program. What more do you want me to say? The results speak for themselves. It has to be just magic weight machines and secret powder that makes them so much better than WSU. There is no other plausible explanation in your world because they both play on 10 foot high baskets and 90 foot long courts.

he isn't saying that at all, obviously they have better players and coaches. he is saying our facilities aren't THAT bad, and I agree with him

 

[Loyal Coug]

Gonzaga has been to the Final Four and multiple trips to the Elite 8 in the last 10 years. They have magic food and magic weight machines. They have a secret voodoo doctor that hexes their opponents.

You simply refuse to acknowledge they have better players, better facilities, better coaches, better everything with regard to their basketball program. What more do you want me to say? The results speak for themselves. It has to be just magic weight machines and secret powder that makes them so much better than WSU. There is no other plausible explanation in your world because they both play on 10 foot high baskets and 90 foot long courts.

Allright - THIS is my last post on this topic. And I mean it this time!

Where in this thread (or anywhere else since TB was our coach) have I " simply refused to acknowledge" that Gonzaga has better players, coaches, or "everything" (let's say you mean charters)? Nowhere. EVER. I agree 100% that they do have better of all those things. So why are you posting that? Do you have ADD or something? Or do you just like to make shit up? Cuz you are making shit up. Or just lying. Whichever fits. Both I guess.

My only point in this thread is to ask what WSU's alleged deficiencies are in FACILITIES that will make a difference in basketball success. If those deficiencies include Gonzaga's new amenities (as pointed out by Ferris) such as: Student-athletes and coaches can enhance their work outs by using the bluetooth sound system to play music" or a nutrition center or the kitchenette provides a place for students to fix meals and snacks during the day then fine. I will agree to disagree. Pretty sure that WSU DOES have a nutrition program for all of its athletes, but I digress. Is Gonzaga's weightroom or hydrotherapy facility better than WSU's? Actually, I didn't read about Gonzaga's hydrotherapy facility. Do they even have one? You tell me. If WSU needs to put a new floor on its practice court so it is "new" like Gonzaga's then just say so.

Put another way - if someone wants to make a list of the facilities and amenities that WSU lacks which keeps us from attracting better athletes and making them even better once they get here, fine. Let's see it. In my opinion, I think we would be better off starting with spending $4.2 million to get rid of EK and go from there.

Oh, one last thing. Gonzaga's great amenities were quite recently added. They were really good BEFORE they had all this stuff. So that says something.

.

 

[Loyal Coug]

he isn't saying that at all, obviously they have better players and coaches. he is saying our facilities aren't THAT bad, and I agree with him

OMG THANK YOU!

 

[Observer11]

he isn't saying that at all, obviously they have better players and coaches. he is saying our facilities aren't THAT bad, and I agree with him

You can agree. You’re wrong but you can always agree.

1974 is gone and dead.

 

[Observer11]

Allright - THIS is my last post on this topic. And I mean it this time!

Where in this thread (or anywhere else since TB was our coach) have I " simply refused to acknowledge" that Gonzaga has better players, coaches, or "everything" (let's say you mean charters)? Nowhere. EVER. I agree 100% that they do have better of all those things. So why are you posting that? Do you have ADD or something? Or do you just like to make shit up? Cuz you are making shit up. Or just lying. Whichever fits. Both I guess.

My only point in this thread is to ask what WSU's alleged deficiencies are in FACILITIES that will make a difference in basketball success. If those deficiencies include Gonzaga's new amenities (as pointed out by Ferris) such as: Student-athletes and coaches can enhance their work outs by using the bluetooth sound system to play music" or a nutrition center or the kitchenette provides a place for students to fix meals and snacks during the day then fine. I will agree to disagree. Pretty sure that WSU DOES have a nutrition program for all of its athletes, but I digress. Is Gonzaga's weightroom or hydrotherapy facility better than WSU's? Actually, I didn't read about Gonzaga's hydrotherapy facility. Do they even have one? You tell me. If WSU needs to put a new floor on its practice court so it is "new" like Gonzaga's then just say so.

Put another way - if someone wants to make a list of the facilities and amenities that WSU lacks which keeps us from attracting better athletes and making them even better once they get here, fine. Let's see it. In my opinion, I think we would be better off starting with spending $4.2 million to get rid of EK and go from there.

Oh, one last thing. Gonzaga's great amenities were quite recently added. They were really good BEFORE they had all this stuff. So that says something.

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Their basketball facilities were better than WSU's 14 years ago, the second the Kennel opened. WSU practices in an intramural gym.

And, no, it won't be your last because you just can't help yourself.

 

[SaveFerris]

Put another way - if someone wants to make a list of the facilities and amenities that WSU lacks which keeps us from attracting better athletes and making them even better once they get here, fine. Let's see it. In my opinion, I think we would be better off starting with spending $4.2 million to get rid of EK and go from there.

Oh, one last thing. Gonzaga's great amenities were quite recently added. They were really good BEFORE they had all this stuff. So that says something.

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"Facility" or "building" strongly implies all those things are under 1 roof with some walls. Where's that on campus?

When GU wasn't "really good" who had a Football ops building let alone one for basketball? Once you get to that level and have a coach who won't even entertain leaving it's easier to sustain. UCLA, Duke, etc. are still going to draw top player with or without the next shiny new thing. Right now we might start losing recruits to the Idaho's of the world.

The FOB definitely helped attract Mike Leach in football. I don't view these facilities as some sort of magic dust. Coaching still matters and I have my doubts facilities would have helped Bone and definitely not Kent in terms of success. Pullman and Pac 12 on their own was probably too much for the latter 2 coaches to overcome. I'm also not trying to diminish the financial argument. No question we will have a hard time finding the dollars without big private donors.

End of the day with the hindsight of the last hire we should have just kept Bone at 600K (even given him a 200k raise), "saved" the $1.4 over the 9 or 10 years we paid/owe Kent and put a down payment on a ops building. We would be in a lot better place.

 

[Loyal Coug]

Their basketball facilities were better than WSU's 14 years ago, the second the Kennel opened. WSU practices in an intramural gym.

And, no, it won't be your last because you just can't help yourself.

I found a place where you should go hang out.....http://guboards.spokesmanreview.com/

And you can't help making up shit then ignoring the fact that you did it. Geezus you should also be the President.

 

[Observer11]

I found a place where you should go hang out.....http://guboards.spokesmanreview.com/

And you can't help making up shit then ignoring the fact that you did it. Geezus you should also be the President.

Are you denying that WSU practices in the old intramural gym? What's untruthful about that?

And the fact of the matter is The Kennel kicked Beasley's ass the day it opened. Again - where is the mistruth in that unless you want to try to make a case that a empty facility from the 70's was still state of the art in 2004? And it was still pretty damned empty Dick's first two years.

You hate Gonzaga. Got it. WSU's facilities suck compared to the rest of the Pac 12 conference, too. Nose out of joint so noted.

A reply would mean either a fourth or fifth last word. Or maybe you should go hang on the GU boards and school them on how to run a basketball program.

Live in your own reality, man.

 

[jourdand]

The Kennel is not any big deal, it isn’t any better than Beasley other than being more modern, what makes it special is the atmosphere. EWU has a very similar arena to GU as far as layout just not the fans which again makes the Kennel what it is.

 

[Observer11]

The Kennel is not any big deal, it isn’t any better than Beasley other than being more modern, what makes it special is the atmosphere. EWU has a very similar arena to GU as far as layout just not the fans which again makes the Kennel what it is.

EWU's is roughly the same age as WSU's (maybe 3 or 4 years newer - I want to say built around 1976 - I know I watched Terry Kelly there in the all-state game the year it opened). But it's been nicely kept up and is a good environment to watch a game. It never really feels like a cavern but I haven't been out there for a couple years either. The Cougs next head coach Hayford had that place jumping. Beers in the endzone is a plus too.

If you're competing for Big Sky level players, Reece Court is a solid facility.

WSU plays in the Pac 12 though - and since the Gill remodel, arguably the worst facility in the conference.

 

[SaveFerris]

EWU's is roughly the same age as WSU's (maybe 3 or 4 years newer - I want to say built around 1976 - I know I watched Terry Kelly there in the all-state game the year it opened). But it's been nicely kept up and is a good environment to watch a game. It never really feels like a cavern but I haven't been out there for a couple years either. The Cougs next head coach Hayford had that place jumping. Beers in the endzone is a plus too.

If you're competing for Big Sky level players, Reece Court is a solid facility.

WSU plays in the Pac 12 though - and since the Gill remodel, arguably the worst facility in the conference.

We can hope on Hayford. Beasley is old but down the list in terms facility priorities IMO. If we had the money we could probably build in the neighborhood of The Kennel (6k). Fine for most games or when you aren't good like now. Not fine when you get good which should be the goal.

Beasley is fine if you can get the students to come out. If I had $100M to give I would want it to go to the IPF and hoops ops building. I would also think the "hoops" building could serve volleyball if done right but just a guess.

 

[FnuLnu]

I found a place where you should go hang out.....http://guboards.spokesmanreview.com/

And you can't help making up shit then ignoring the fact that you did it. Geezus you should also be the President.

Speaking of other Boards, somebody on Brand X today referenced both this thread and the position taken by "one of the dumbest guys in cyberspace".

 

[Loyal Coug]

Speaking of other Boards, somebody on Brand X today referenced both this thread and the position taken by "one of the dumbest guys in cyberspace".

Brand X quote:
One of the dumbest guys in cyberspace frequents the other board and is adamant and arguing with people that WSU needs no upgrade in basketball facilities and claims (cough, cough) that WSU's are better than Gonzaga's.

Well FnuLnu, I assume that the thread (and you) are referring to me. See the quote from that board above. Feel free to go back through all my posts on this topic (I did) and show me where I said that WSU's facilities are BETTER than Gonzaga's. Hint: I said no such thing. The closest I came to saying that is copied below. I asked the question - "are their overall facilities better, and if so, how?" So far no one has articulated much other than sweeping generalizations. I've asked about the weightroom (and WSU's hydrotherapy facility). Is theirs "better"? Is it? How? More machines, better machines, what? I don't know. Educate me or don't reply. Please.

Oh and I never said that WSU "needs no upgrade". So there is that as well.

So enough of this (again). I just get tired of saying one thing (or in this case simply asking a question), and having my words changed into something completely different. But shit, facts and actual words spoken are irrelevant here. Whatever.


Loyal said:
So let's talk about facilities. Specifically, let's talk about Gonzaga's facilities compared to WSU's. They have the piss-ant sized new Kennel (granted it's new, but still piss-ant). Because they are a little piss-ant college, they have facilities closer together then WSU (it's a walk from the gyms and weight rooms to Beasley). Are their overall basketball facilities better than WSU's? And if so, how and what? Weight rooms? Practice court (BFD IMHO)? Locker rooms?

 

[SaveFerris]

Loyal said:
So let's talk about facilities. Specifically, let's talk about Gonzaga's facilities compared to WSU's. They have the piss-ant sized new Kennel (granted it's new, but still piss-ant). Because they are a little piss-ant college, they have facilities closer together then WSU (it's a walk from the gyms and weight rooms to Beasley). Are their overall basketball facilities better than WSU's? And if so, how and what? Weight rooms? Practice court (BFD IMHO)? Locker rooms?

I know it's not the same level of investment (thousands vs millions) but it's like telling your son/daughter a smartphone is the same as a flip phone because they can walk to the Library to use a PC, use the polaroid gathering dust in the attic for selfies, and write their friends a letter instead of a text. Nothing against a flip phone either because for some people that's all they really need or want and that's fine.

I'm exaggerating to try to make a point but if seeing the Volkar center isn't education enough I'm not sure where to go from there. I guess agree to disagree.

 

[7ICoug]

Just a couple of questions and one comment. Don't all athletes at WSU get to eat in the new facility? Least I have seen pictures of them there. GU's Volkar Center is for all 300 GU athletes and not just the hoop players. It is quite nice.

As to the Kennel it is already 14 years old and I have attended a number of basketball games there. Reminds me of Bohler Gym in the real old days. Really loud with the 1,500 students that get to attend. Seats suck, lights are in your eyes so you had best wear a hat --. 4,500 tickets that have a long waiting list and go from family to family.

Lots of WSU folks with GU season tickets, always have been.

Facilities at WSU are old there is no doubt, but money is in short supply, thus we have the Moos legacy coach until it comes time for him to retire. Beasley is old but we have no sugar daddy to remodel it. In this day and age the students should get 1,500 seats and they should downsize to a 6,000 seat arena. Problem is basketball weather and every Pac12 games is on TV and those are the only games worth attending.

Had season tickets for many coaches. When Tony left I stopped buying. With Ernie I have stopped watching.

 

[SaveFerris]

Just a couple of questions and one comment. Don't all athletes at WSU get to eat in the new facility? Least I have seen pictures of them there. GU's Volkar Center is for all 300 GU athletes and not just the hoop players. It is quite nice.

As to the Kennel it is already 14 years old and I have attended a number of basketball games there. Reminds me of Bohler Gym in the real old days. Really loud with the 1,500 students that get to attend. Seats suck, lights are in your eyes so you had best wear a hat --. 4,500 tickets that have a long waiting list and go from family to family.

Lots of WSU folks with GU season tickets, always have been.

Facilities at WSU are old there is no doubt, but money is in short supply, thus we have the Moos legacy coach until it comes time for him to retire. Beasley is old but we have no sugar daddy to remodel it. In this day and age the students should get 1,500 seats and they should downsize to a 6,000 seat arena. Problem is basketball weather and every Pac12 games is on TV and those are the only games worth attending.

Had season tickets for many coaches. When Tony left I stopped buying. With Ernie I have stopped watching.

The facilities are used by other athletes but I'm not sure when or what (weight room for instance). With Title IX I would assume there has to be something "comparable" although maybe in football season that's somewhere else on campus. We are Title IX compliant.

The IPF wouldn't just serve football as well if it's done right. Other minor sports (track, soccer) would use it as well. Volleyball should be scoped into a "basketball" facility.

If we find a sugar daddy I would prioritize charters and then a "BOB" over a new arena. I actually like that the coliseum fits 10,000+. If it's still a "regional performing arts" center or whatever it's probably still needs that kind of capacity. If we ever get good again I still think we would need more than 6,000 seats but we are a long way from that.

The Kennel cost a lot of money and I'm hearing EWU and Bohler gym. Definitely not worth moving away from Beasley if that's really the case. It's sufficient. As someone said it's all about atmosphere and when it's even half full it's fine.

 

[Loyal Coug]

The facilities are used by other athletes but I'm not sure when or what (weight room for instance). With Title IX I would assume there has to be something "comparable" although maybe in football season that's somewhere else on campus. We are Title IX compliant.

The IPF wouldn't just serve football as well if it's done right. Other minor sports (track, soccer) would use it as well. Volleyball should be scoped into a "basketball" facility.

If we find a sugar daddy I would prioritize charters and then a "BOB" over a new arena. I actually like that the coliseum fits 10,000+. If it's still a "regional performing arts" center or whatever it's probably still needs that kind of capacity. If we ever get good again I still think we would need more than 6,000 seats but we are a long way from that.

The Kennel cost a lot of money and I'm hearing EWU and Bohler gym. Definitely not worth moving away from Beasley if that's really the case. It's sufficient. As someone said it's all about atmosphere and when it's even half full it's fine.

This is a good time to reminisce about the good old days - 10 years ago, when we were "only" 17-16 and 8-10 in the Pac-10. The clips below are the winning shot on Senior Day by Rochestie. Crappy quality but I still get goose bumps when I watch them. I was at this game. Virtual sellout, and the students packed their side to the rafters like they did for most of the Tony Bennett years. Yes I will take Beasley over a 6,000 seat venue.




And exactly how do we compete in VB with our crap facilities anyway? Old Bohler gym, with its concrete seats. Man. Just sayin'......

 

[COUGinNCW]

I’ve never been to a VB game at Bohler but have watched quite a few on TV. The atmosphere looks great. Cozy and full beats big and empty.

If I was starting from scratch I’d build a basketball facility that held 8-9k. With every game on TV now I don’t know if Beasley will ever sell out again for basketball unless they play gu again and then it will be 50% zag t shirt* fans.

*Most zag fans are t shirt fans (non alums) but the fans that would come to Beasley would be the wal-mart t shirt variety vs the season ticket holders who are Nordstrom T shirt fans.

 

[taf88]

I’ve never been to a VB game at Bohler but have watched quite a few on TV. The atmosphere looks great. Cozy and full beats big and empty.

If I was starting from scratch I’d build a basketball facility that held 8-9k. With every game on TV now I don’t know if Beasley will ever sell out again for basketball unless they play gu again and then it will be 50% zag t shirt* fans.

*Most zag fans are t shirt fans (non alums) but the fans that would come to Beasley would be the wal-mart t shirt variety vs the season ticket holders who are Nordstrom T shirt fans.

Volleyball and Bohler are a perfect fit. Nostalgic, loud, and Lady V’ballers own it.
Already amped to see what Greeny’s do with next years “Rebuild”.
WSU Football, Volleyball, and Soccer lessens the pain of the current state of WSU B’ball.

 

[ElComanche]

I have actually enjoyed all of the hysteria and people coming out of the woodwork and announcing how they will fix coug basketball.l These brave souls who would not take me up on my offer to bet on a .500 season. I wonder how many of these experts are wishing they Had? They have landed with both feet on Kent s back which is what they probably wanted to do from day one. I agree that The loss was a horrible one no matter how one slices it. However for no other reason than financial Kent and company will be back next season The silly list of potential coaches is just that. I also expect to see a far better brand of basketball the rest of the season. If i know anything about basketball then i will be right. We will see what the rest of the season brings.

 

[SaveFerris]

I have actually enjoyed all of the hysteria and people coming out of the woodwork and announcing how they will fix coug basketball.l These brave souls who would not take me up on my offer to bet on a .500 season. I wonder how many of these experts are wishing they Had? They have landed with both feet on Kent s back which is what they probably wanted to do from day one. I agree that The loss was a horrible one no matter how one slices it. However for no other reason than financial Kent and company will be back next season The silly list of potential coaches is just that. I also expect to see a far better brand of basketball the rest of the season. If i know anything about basketball then i will be right. We will see what the rest of the season brings.

As unfortunate as that is I agree. At least I have wrapped my ahead around that reality. Giving away $4.2M is probably too much unless someone steps up to pay it. If I was the AD and someone did come to me with that kind of money I would ask them to route it to charters or a facility and live with Kent. Long term that's going to benefit us a lot more than the cost of getting out from under Kent. It is what it is at this point. There's no guarantee whoever Chun is able to find will be able to dig us out of the hole we find ourselves in.

 

[jourdand]

Don’t assume not taking your bet has anything to do with thinking WSU will be over .500. I have never bet against the Cougs and never will no matter how much it has cost me over the years. Personally I think if we compete like I think we will in PAC 12 play Chun will have no choice. Ernie is truly competing for his job, I guess in someways coaches always are but his seat is burning hot. 5 PAC 12 wins keeps him around for another year but he’s gone after that. 8 PAC 12 wins gives him anther year with a wait and see for the next year and imo anything less than 5 and he’s gone after this year.