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To each their own

Of all the rabbit holes threads can go down, this is better than usual.
Well let me bring it back full circle to politics . Phoebe Cates ( I am sure Chip would find a flaw :) ) and Brad Hamilton . Brad Hamilton watched phoebe from the bathroom and started to kill , abort , potentials babies .

“All right Hamilton “
 
This is how conversation works. You move from topic to topic as things come up. Message boards are like those people who you see itching to say their piece, and go back five topics to get their point in. In live, personal conversations, these are the people where you roll your eyes and look for someone else to talk with.

And too often I'm that guy ....
In real life, I rain down blows on those guys like Frank Costanza in a toy store.
 
The energy in a gallon of diesel is interesting info. With OPEC latest stunt, I’ve been looking at EVs a little closer.

With a 30 gallon diesel tank, it seems we’re looking at something like an F-350. It gets around 15 mpg. So the MWH will give a range of 450 miles, or .4 miles per kw. The capital cost for the vehicles will be about the same. Weights will be close, also.

The Tesla with the 82 kw battery gets a range of 315 per epa. That comes to 3.84 miles per kw. Efficiency doesn’t quite offset density.

The cost is about $.12 per kw for electricity in WA. My 6.8 kw solar system has about the same cost per kw. It historically generates about 6800 kw per year. Diesel costs about $.13 per kw using national average of $5.00 per gallon. This is higher in WA ($6.00)

Cost per mile is $.33 ICE vs .$.032 for elec.

Where does all the energy go in an ICE? Does it get eaten up turning all the shafts and gears?

For myself the home charging wouldn’t be a concern as I wouldn’t be standing out in the garage during recharging. Road trips would have to be broken up, which works fine for this 70 something.

Anyway this is def. food for thought for me.
 
The energy in a gallon of diesel is interesting info. With OPEC latest stunt, I’ve been looking at EVs a little closer.

With a 30 gallon diesel tank, it seems we’re looking at something like an F-350. It gets around 15 mpg. So the MWH will give a range of 450 miles, or .4 miles per kw. The capital cost for the vehicles will be about the same. Weights will be close, also.

The Tesla with the 82 kw battery gets a range of 315 per epa. That comes to 3.84 miles per kw. Efficiency doesn’t quite offset density.

The cost is about $.12 per kw for electricity in WA. My 6.8 kw solar system has about the same cost per kw. It historically generates about 6800 kw per year. Diesel costs about $.13 per kw using national average of $5.00 per gallon. This is higher in WA ($6.00)

Cost per mile is $.33 ICE vs .$.032 for elec.

Where does all the energy go in an ICE? Does it get eaten up turning all the shafts and gears?

For myself the home charging wouldn’t be a concern as I wouldn’t be standing out in the garage during recharging. Road trips would have to be broken up, which works fine for this 70 something.

Anyway this is def. food for thought for me.
Short answer? Heat. Most of it is heat. Some of that has been addressed in some systems that try to harness this. Current cars use that heat for, well, the heater. Some vehicles, especially turbos, reuse the exhaust gasses to increase compression and improve performance. But some things, like emissions controls, have hampered performance gains. The EGR is known to rob performance and reduce mileage. The exhaust pressure due to things like catalytic converters, etc, inhibit performance as well. While EVs don't need these to keep the air clean, they are factors reducing mileage.

Also, the environment is a big factor for EVs. Consider the range of a Tesla in 30deg weather vs your car, all while keeping it at at comfortable 70deg inside. Add in your seat warmers. Or the opposite, keeping your car at a cool 70deg when it is 105deg out. The heater/AC does affect range (and the heater is likely the worst case, and AC compressors are fairly efficient--they are effectively heat pumps). And the batteries do not perform as well in cold weather (lower capacity--keep them warm when charging!).

Yes, efficiency is an issue. They key issue. But when you have MWh's of capacity, you can afford to waste some of it. A typical locomotive has a 5500gal tank, or about 1.7GWh (just over what Doc Brown needs), weighing only about 17tons. There's no way to get equivalent storage in a battery.

More food for thought.
 
Given all that, will the Tesla freight truck be competitive? They’re supposedly going to give it more weight allowance.

A car should work for me. Most of my travel is 50-100 miles round trip. I might keep the Outback for cold and snowy weather, anyway.

I don’t plan on starting a railroad, so no worries there.😉
 
Given all that, will the Tesla freight truck be competitive? They’re supposedly going to give it more weight allowance.

A car should work for me. Most of my travel is 50-100 miles round trip. I might keep the Outback for cold and snowy weather, anyway.

I don’t plan on starting a railroad, so no worries there.😉
I think EV's are reasonable for short distances. I don't want one for long drives (300+ miles) as I don't want to sit around waiting for it to charge.

As for freight trucks? Depends on how far. I was talking with a guy about the LA ports and part of the problem they have is that freight trucks moving from the port out have to have 0% emissions inside the port and for portions of the drive (something about protecting depressed communities). So they have these hybrid trucks that have GPS in them that automatically switches the engine to diesel when outside of the port and those regions. An electric freight truck could work here.

But I fear it would be a steep capital cost for a shipping company. Having trucks sitting there doing nothing while being charged could mean a large increase in equipment that earns nothing. Might work for the short trips during the day and recharge at night. And larger companies might be able to afford the high-current chargers.

I don't know. We'll find out.
 
Again, we see "experts" in the US who say that the vaccines are dangerous and being pushed by US pharmaceutical companies and our liberal government hacks. Nobody seems to be able to explain why China and other countries go along with the scam.
Don't much care about China.

Care about western democracies including Canada, the UK and the US and non-state controlled sources of information.

Don't follow the guy if you don't want to. But if anyone else has interest in getting more than MSNBC, Fox or CNN journalism, there's other resources out there.

Then make up your own mind on what works for you.
 
Don't much care about China.

Care about western democracies including Canada, the UK and the US and non-state controlled sources of information.

Don't follow the guy if you don't want to. But if anyone else has interest in getting more than MSNBC, Fox or CNN journalism, there's other resources out there.

Then make up your own mind on what works for you.
Vaccines. Vaccines work.
 
Vaccines. Vaccines work.
Well, the science is out but apparently some people are content with continuing to be stupid.

The covid19 shot that was administered by Phizer/BioNTech/J&J is not a vaccine.

"A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease."

Acquired Immunity : "A type of immunity that develops when a person’s immune system responds to a foreign substance or microorganism, or that occurs after a person receives antibodies from another source. The two types of acquired immunity are adaptive and passive. Adaptive immunity occurs in response to being infected with or vaccinated against a microorganism. The body makes an immune response, which can prevent future infection with the microorganism. Passive immunity occurs when a person receives antibodies to a disease or toxin rather than making them through his or her own immune system."

The shot neither prevents the infection nor does it prevent the spread of the infection. Its been the biggest lie foisted upon the American public... possibly ever. And why? For profit.

FWIW, I'm completely ok with the shot being what it is - a prophylactic theraputic. But that is NOT what was sold to the public or used to manipulate them into quivering quims waiting for big bro to tell them who the boogie man was (hint: your neighbor.)
 
Vaccines. Vaccines work.
I was going to hold back, but this is bull shit.

To flatly state that vaccines work is f-ing stupid.

Someone EXTREMELY close to me got the "3rd shot" and it killed 1/2 their heart. This is directly from the doctor who saved their life.

A 2nd person who had the same shot was only "saved" from the same permanent damage because they went to the emergency room sooner.

Same shots... from the same place...

I'm not anti-vaccine. What I am 100% against is ANYONE who tries to force them. When people try to come out and say "they work"... let's get real.

You can say they help more people than they hurt, but anything beyond that is bull shit.

And this is EXACTLY why no one should be forced to get the shot.
 
Well, the science is out but apparently some people are content with continuing to be stupid.

The covid19 shot that was administered by Phizer/BioNTech/J&J is not a vaccine.

"A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease."

Acquired Immunity : "A type of immunity that develops when a person’s immune system responds to a foreign substance or microorganism, or that occurs after a person receives antibodies from another source. The two types of acquired immunity are adaptive and passive. Adaptive immunity occurs in response to being infected with or vaccinated against a microorganism. The body makes an immune response, which can prevent future infection with the microorganism. Passive immunity occurs when a person receives antibodies to a disease or toxin rather than making them through his or her own immune system."

The shot neither prevents the infection nor does it prevent the spread of the infection. Its been the biggest lie foisted upon the American public... possibly ever. And why? For profit.

FWIW, I'm completely ok with the shot being what it is - a prophylactic theraputic. But that is NOT what was sold to the public or used to manipulate them into quivering quims waiting for big bro to tell them who the boogie man was (hint: your neighbor.)

Don't use Wikipedia definitions.

A vaccine is any preparation that stimulates an immune response. Including the Pfizer shot. Its uses a different mechanism than the many prior ones that use versions of the actual virus, but it's a vaccine.

And, vaccines are a source of acquired immunity. They're not specifically mentioned in the cancer.gov definition you quoted, but they're part of the equation.

Effectiveness will be studied for decades, but the early reports certainly support the idea that they work. Numerous sources have reported significantly higher incidence of death or serious illness in the unvaccinated. I haven't seen those corrected for other factors like underlying conditions, which needs to be done, but my recollection is that the local numbers were showing 90+% of deaths and hospitalizations were unvaccinated. That's not a disparity that's likely to be explained by another variable.

Vaccines don't guarantee infection won't happen. Even the measles & polio vaccines aren't 100%. Too many people seem to believe that's how they work. For viruses with a lot of variants, or that mutate quickly, their effectiveness is lower. Consider the flu vaccine. Somewhere near half of Americans get it every year, at $25 each, and in a good year its about 20% effective. It never keeps flu from spreading, and doesn't guarantee you won't get the flu...its just supposed to make your infection less severe. That's exactly what the covid shots are supposed to do. For some reason, the masses accept that for flu, but not for covid.

Prophylactic therapeutic is a contradiction. Prophylactics are preventatives - intended to prevent infection. Therapeutics are treatments, after infection. Some vaccines can be used therapeutically (hepatitis is one, I think), but not covid. Last I looked the guidance was to not get a covid vaccine if you've tested positive in the last 10 days.

I was going to hold back, but this is bull shit.

To flatly state that vaccines work is f-ing stupid.

Someone EXTREMELY close to me got the "3rd shot" and it killed 1/2 their heart. This is directly from the doctor who saved their life.

A 2nd person who had the same shot was only "saved" from the same permanent damage because they went to the emergency room sooner.

Same shots... from the same place...

I'm not anti-vaccine. What I am 100% against is ANYONE who tries to force them. When people try to come out and say "they work"... let's get real.

You can say they help more people than they hurt, but anything beyond that is bull shit.

And this is EXACTLY why no one should be forced to get the shot.
The fact that some people don't tolerate them doesn't mean they don't work. Adverse effects happen with all medications, typically in a very small percentage of people who take them. A portion of those effects are going to be severe, or even fatal. That's not new - people have been killed by the measles, polio, and chickenpox vaccines. People have been killed by viagra. Those numbers are a hell of a lot smaller than the number of people killed by measles and polio, and the small probability of those effects shouldn't be a a major factor for most people.

I don't know if anyone has figured out why the covid vaccines cause clotting or cardiac issues in some people, but based on the VAERS data, there must be something going on there. Of course, covid also causes clotting and cardiac issues in some people, so that puzzle may not be easy to solve.

I'm with you on broad mandates though. For something with high mortality, I could get on board with a local vaccine mandate or strict quarantine. But state- or nationwide mandates for something with a mortality of less than half a percent? No.
 
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