As soon as the Pac-12 TV deal was a done deal, Wulff was toast. Money plus 6 and 40 = end of innocence. Only an idiot can't accept this.
Walden on Airwaves of Spokane Bashing Leach Coaching
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As soon as the Pac-12 TV deal was a done deal, Wulff was toast. Money plus 6 and 40 = end of innocence. Only an idiot can't accept this.
Seeing a freshmen safety is no reason to keep a football coach. Moos was on the job for 2 years. That's it. 2 years. 2010 he walked gave Wulff 1 year which he produced 2 wins, and then Moos was on to getting the cash for another coach.
December 1st Leach accepts the offer to coach WSU
Moos says himself he spoke with Leach 2 weeks before it was announced.
So two weeks before December 1st puts it right at November 17th. That's before the apple cup and Utah in 2011. Wulff was still coaching when Moos was already negotiation. He would have dropped kicked his ass out sooner but there was no cash. He gave Wulff 1 year to prove that he knew what the hell he was doing. 2 wins. Time to get a new coach, and before the Apple Cup of 2011 he had his hire already locked up.
And he was able to kick Walden's blowhard ass out as well. That's two deadweights out the door in just two years. Add in the football ops and martin renovation. Bill moos is awesome. Best thing to happen to WSU in a long long time.
Ummmm....people have accepted he is gone. Just the facts that Moos was on the panel that recommended him, and he kept him for 2010 when there was enough money to make a change. And if Wulff won against Utah and UCLA he would have been retained for at least another year if not two.
Well...AD's come in and change coaches right away. That isn't new. He chose not to. You say it is because of finances. Finances which you readily admit the "Good Cougs" were right to withhold. Meanwhile the crappy Cougs were like sheep and kept writing checks. But I digress. Yes, in Moos conversation with Leach he said he is pulling for his coach to have a 6-6 season and hoped he would be retained, but he wanted a back up plan.
So keep ignoring the fact Moos had his hands in the Wulff hire and him being retained.
"Wanted a back up plan" The only backup plan Moos had was an extra boot to kick his 2, 1, 2, bottom of FBS recruiting ass out. Moos had the money. He had the man he wanted. Wulff's 4th year was a courtesy circus year.
I think I clarified pretty well you just aren't reading then. I'll go further. It isn't a ONLY this or ONLY that proposition. When someone says, "What do you think of Coach Leach?" first off, recognize this question is a glimpse that Walden has become a sideshow. They know the answer and are waiting to hear the blowup. Its a trap. But second, you can be honest AND be good for the program. Whats wrong with, "I don't want to get into that. I just want to see WSU grow, see the players mature and go on to the NFL and become good solid pillars of society." kinda thing? It isn't really PR stuff but it's being honest. So now Walden has succeeded in 2 ways. He's not falling for the trap of the DJ AND he's not lying and being a good supporter for the program. Not rocket science.
EDIT: and notice, we all know what he thinks. He doesn't have to "tell us what we want to hear", whatever that means. He's being true to himself, he just isn't fulfilling this emotional need he apparently has to relieve the pressure inside to spew jokes and jabs towards CML and our program. It's about control of emotion. He apparently doesn't have it. If he did, then he could find ways of being honest and NOT speak down about the program. We all know his views. He doesn't have to come on the radio to tell us AGAIN… that's the trap the radio station is setting. This is all about sideshow stuff. Get the ratings. Cause a buzz. Walden is just as much a victim in that regard. At the very least, he should see that one. He's becoming the freak show so people can laugh and point. Sad.
Walden supported Wulff because we had finally found a coach who would have a worse win record than him. He hates Leach because he know he's a good coach and will easily pass him up in accomplishments. 9 years of Leach.. but the end of that we'll be going bowling every year fighting to win the North and go to the Rose Bowl.
That's why Walden wasn't a fan of Price. He was clearly better than him, and Walden is the type of insecure idiot who wants to be the center of attention.
You do realize that rational thought and the use of facts have no sway with the mentally ill, correct?
And I'll be honest, I don't care why or how or any of that stuff. But CML is going on his 4th year. Time to move on, IMHO. And Walden needs to realize, someone is controlling him through comments or questions, KNOWING it's going to rile him up and get this whole thing going… Pot Stirring. But if Walden looks at it like that… the DJ is controlling him, literally setting him up, via the question(s) he already knows the answer to, I'd hope he'd stop this BS and just do whatever he deems best for the program when he's in front of a mic.
But this is where he gets to determine his role at WSU. His life, his freedom, he gets to control his own life. We are all free to be as smart, dumb, conscious, aware, unaware, whatever, as we want to be. I'd hope he wants to be a real difference maker at WSU. Not the sideshow...
One of Walden's poorest moments occurred in a postgame interview with Price. I don't recall which game it was other than it was dark outside as I listened to the car radio, but Walden made what he must have thought was a "funny" reference to Price's supposed sexual performance problem. Price actually said, "You're such as ass." Not a shining moment for Hee Haw.
I've been drinking with both Walden AND Price at an event with hundreds of other Cougars. You are inventing alternate history again
It's well documented.
It's too bad the audio isn't available anymore. Walden is a huge jackass
"No, coach Price, Walden will not buy you a mug down at the Cottage, a pitcher at the Page, a pop at the Village (if it’s still there?), or even a calzone at Sella’s!"
When coach Leach wins 8 games in yr 4, then we can compare him to Walden.
With the look of our special teams in scrimmage, he has a lot of work to do.
With the look of our special teams in scrimmage, he has a lot of work to do.
Walden has always been a shoot first with his mouth. That is who he is. That would be critiquing Leach for writing a book and not concentrating on wins and losses, and asking why he is talking about Geronimo or talking about weather patterns in the Palouse. It is who he is. That is what makes him interesting. He won't say what people want him to say. Walden is no different. Just different angles and opinions.
The article says. JIM WALDEN LIKES WULFF HATES MIKE PRICE.
It's documented. You said you love how Walden is honest. He was honest enough that people put that headline.
Walden was constantly stretching the truth and it extended to crystal ball predictions such as the previous staff's recruits compared well with the 2001-2003' teams. It was a hard sell and I don't think many bought it.
Oddly enough, the best thing Jim Walden has ever said is:
“I can't define it, I can't tell someone who isn't a cougar what it's like. There's something that happens at Washington State; you quietly and subtly become infected...Washington State is a passion. Being a cougar is a passion”
I wish he'd bury is hatchet, hop back on board the train and work on being a better ambassador because he's the type of fan, etc. that the school doesn't need. And WSU (or any other school in that matter) should be happy to take all the fans it gets.
“I can't define it, I can't tell someone who isn't a cougar what it's like. There's something that happens at Washington State; you quietly and subtly become infected...Washington State is a passion. Being a cougar is a passion”
I wish he'd bury is hatchet, hop back on board the train and work on being a better ambassador because he's the type of fan, etc. that the school doesn't need. And WSU (or any other school in that matter) should be happy to take all the fans it gets.
Securing the largest donation ever made to the Athletic Department provided a few more options. Or so I would guess.
It's not because he has an opinion. Everyone does. Walden still holds a job because he works for basically nothing. Less than whatever it would cost KGA to fill that hour with CBS national.
Let's be accurate. Walden is an open mouth, insert foot, then whine about the consequences of pissing people off kind of guy.
Seems better-documented than your claims that Bill Moos had the money to can Wulff in 2010.
It's possible that person has "documented" and "demented" confused. Always devaluing a WSU degree. Devaluing a WSU degree all ways.
What a horrible analogy. What's the difference? Basic. Positive vs. negative… There's one.
Another difference? Basic. Just because CML talks about Geronimo or the weather or whatever doesn't mean he's "shooting first" with his mouth. He might answer weird questions, but I've yet to hear him bash Walden. I've yet to hear him bash Wulff. I've yet to hear him bash Doba or Price or anyone connected to WSU athletics… So there are 2 things, there. He might talk about weird stuff sometimes but that doesn't mean it isn't thought through, like your mention of his book(s). The other is, he isn't going to do something that hurts WSU.
But good to see you have the excuses lined up for him… "He's just being honest." "It's just who he is." He can be whomever he wishes to be. He's choosing to be a negative not a positive. That's unfortunate because WSU, IMHO, would love to have him on board. He's pushing WSU away and he's no where near WSU's heart, right now.
Exactly. Walden is basically an old bitter jackass. It's one thing to be honest, but it's another to be a blowhard jerk about things..ESPECIALLY when the active coach just gets here. It's the same thing with Chazanow who just walked in the door.
Welcome to Pullman! we are all so friendly unless you aren't part of our small town click.... then we'll treat you like crap even if it's to our own detriment and you are trying to help us.
That crappy attitude is a big reason why it took us a decade to get to a bowl game. We put people like Walden, and Wulff on a Pedestal and let them run things and they ran it into the ground. Then they try and throw dirt around kicking and screaming when we ask them to leave.
WSU has done plenty for Walden, and getting rid of his crappy attitude and complete incompetence that he speaks as if he actually knows what the hell he is talking about was one of the best things we ever did.
Here's the "wise walden" on Bill Doba
Just read it.
Then when Wulff gets hired oh gosh poor Wulff he had nothing. Doba so so bad, don't worry Wulff will be amazing. The of course Wulff was garbage, and he defended and defended him and threw a tantrum about Leach. Absolutely everything he's been wrong about and he's a jackass when he runs his mouth.
I'm going to be fair with you here ... based on that link alone, you can argue that the Price/Walden schism isn't "well-documented" (although there are other good reasons to visit that page .. scroll to the bottom). You can certainly infer from that page that Walden had some things to say about Price that weren't all that favorable, though. It's right there in black and white.
Contrast that with your and Chinook's claims about Moos having money in 2010 ... where's the support for that? You guys are flatly asserting that WSU had the money, but that cuts against common sense and I've never seen anything remotely suggesting it. Further, even if they could have scraped together the money, your suggestion that Moos could have canned Wulff and gotten another low-priced guy isn't all that realistic. Why, prior to rev-sharing, would Moos show up and immediately hire another risky, unproven coach to replace the one who appeared to be failing, with the combination of the buyout, search costs, and cost for a new coach (say $1.6 m/year for someone like MacIntyre and his assistants) being fairly close to what it would take to get a proven coach a year later? You really think Moos is going to make his most important hire as AD on the cheap, yet at a pretty high cost (factoring in the buyout)? Just isn't realistic.
Tron, another thing you fail to acknowledge is...
You're still posting about Wulff while Leach has been assembling THIS roster for four years and is preparing for THIS season which... You feel is going to win 10 games ... and Leach gets 100% of the credit... and if he whiffs again, its Wulffs fault.
You're still posting about Wulff while Leach has been assembling THIS roster for four years and is preparing for THIS season which... You feel is going to win 10 games ... and Leach gets 100% of the credit... and if he whiffs again, its Wulffs fault.
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1. I believe Bill Moos when he said he always had the option and always keeps a short list.
2. WSU is a multi-Billion institution with cash reserves and active relationships with multiple lenders. WSU had the freedom in 2010 to do whatever it wanted to do.
