Walden on Airwaves of Spokane Bashing Leach Coaching
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Good question, because I did not know that Bill Moos has unfettered access to all WSU budgetary accounts! We could have hired Leach in 2008!
This isn't correct. WSU as a public institution would have to borrow money to do anything that was out of budget, and personnel moves/hires are not something that will be approved. WSU's athletic department was operating well below the conference median and had no way to actually pay for a coach until the Pac-12 TV deal came through
Dang! Not them pie charts again! Nerd!
This isn't correct. WSU as a public institution would have to borrow money to do anything that was out of budget, and personnel moves/hires are not something that will be approved. WSU's athletic department was operating well below the conference median and had no way to actually pay for a coach until the Pac-12 TV deal came through
This isn't correct. WSU as a public institution would have to borrow money to do anything that was out of budget, and personnel moves/hires are not something that will be approved. WSU's athletic department was operating well below the conference median and had no way to actually pay for a coach until the Pac-12 TV deal came through
No one here cares for your facts. Hyperbole or bust!
425...If there is a link I apologize, I didn't see it in this new format. As far as hiring on the cheap. That is what they did when they hired Wulff. He was on the committee that recommended Wulff.
In terms of buyout, Wulff was making what, 700k? It doesn't have to be a lump sum, you pay it over the remainder of his contract terms. The assistants are typically on one year contracts. The buyout would not have been severe.
If the Pac 12 didn't form a new network, and Larry Scott doesn't negotiate a new deal, do we never fire Wulff because we don't have the money.
I have been told there was a discretionary fund that the President had and was willing to use it in 2010 to make a change. Moos decided to stay the course. Is it true Floyd wanted Wulff gone. That has been what I heard, but I am far enough removed it could have been hearsay. Also, could he use the discretionary
Exactly. Walden is basically an old bitter jackass. It's one thing to be honest, but it's another to be a blowhard jerk about things..ESPECIALLY when the active coach just gets here. It's the same thing with Chazanow who just walked in the door.
Welcome to Pullman! we are all so friendly unless you aren't part of our small town click.... then we'll treat you like crap even if it's to our own detriment and you are trying to help us.
That crappy attitude is a big reason why it took us a decade to get to a bowl game. We put people like Walden, and Wulff on a Pedestal and let them run things and they ran it into the ground. Then they try and throw dirt around kicking and screaming when we ask them to leave.
WSU has done plenty for Walden, and getting rid of his crappy attitude and complete incompetence that he speaks as if he actually knows what the hell he is talking about was one of the best things we ever did.
Here's the "wise walden" on Bill Doba
Just read it.
Then when Wulff gets hired oh gosh poor Wulff he had nothing. Doba so so bad, don't worry Wulff will be amazing. The of course Wulff was garbage, and he defended and defended him and threw a tantrum about Leach. Absolutely everything he's been wrong about and he's a jackass when he runs his mouth.
And he was wrong about Doba and that staff. That staff would have done well on the Kardasians(SIC). On paper it made a lot of sense. But they had one recruiter, and it was Mike Walker. Who was Timm Rosie going to sell? Levy? Burntnet was asked to go off to Texas and find players at the last minute.
How many good LA players did Broussard coral in his time?
Which part of that graph says it is a good idea to withhold funds and limit what the AD can do?This isn't correct. WSU as a public institution would have to borrow money to do anything that was out of budget, and personnel moves/hires are not something that will be approved. WSU's athletic department was operating well below the conference median and had no way to actually pay for a coach until the Pac-12 TV deal came through
The part of the graph that says our expenditures and revenue canceled each other out significantly below the conference medium. So there was no margin to upgrade or make a hire without firing and taking a hit as you pay off the remaining contract.
I will try to tie it together for you. Leach talks about interest outside of football is true to who he is. Stifling what he can talk about, criticizing him for talking about those interest (and if he did that at a school like Alabama and didn't win he would be roasted) is against who he is. That is his persona.
Walden, on the other hand has always shot off his mouth. It is true to his nature, his character. Not sure Sam Smith cringed when Walden remarked after getting beat by a crappy Cal team "we just got run over by a damn moped". Walden was asked questions. He answered them how he felt at the time.
Yes, he was very loyal to Wulff. I am sure like the general public they would have higher expectations of Leach. It is part of the game. Of course I would expect Leach to be more successful and win sooner than Wulff. My guess is people like Jim Moore, Walden and even my college roommate the results (to date) hasn't come close to the hype or the paycheck. That is their right to feel that way.
I am not making excuse for his behavior. He isn't owed by WSU. He doesn't owe them anything. I would rather have honesty and make up my own mind by getting as much information as I can get. He isn't doing the university harm. The thousands of empty seats tell a different story, cause I am pretty confident those thousands of empty seats could care less what a guy who has been gone for almost 30 years (as a coach) thinks.
You know, Cougfan use to have these puff pieces. We have never worked harder, we are closer than ever. I learned to read them, take them with a grain of salt. I would rather they be printed and access to that information than not. I would rather have information known at the time Thomas Toki was going to really struggle to make it in the fall than all of a sudden...where is Toki?
In March of 1996 the papers called it a mutiny the worse two days of news in the Mike Price era. It was news that was going to cripple the program. Our three best young players, Ricky Austin, Daryl Jones and Philip Glover decided to transfer. They didn't like Pullman. They transferred to SDSU and in Glovers case to Utah. Two years later after such a horrible news cycle WSU is in the Rose Bowl.
It is where you and I differ, I would rather have news, filter it as I see fit, then not have the news at all. Leach will either make it or not and nothing Walden will say will have any impact.
Nice try. Revenues are from TV and fan support, which some think is ok to withhld cause we are apparently flush with money.
And what you don't acknowledge is Larry Scott was negotiating for two new teams to come into the conference, plus a new TV contract. Floyd and Moos knew they were getting this money before the 2011 ever started. They could have "borrowed" the money as you state, and paid it right back 7 months later after the new funds were released. Again, Moos decided to stay the course. Money while always an issue, it was not the reason he didn't make the move.
You go off on the road on several occasions here. I'm going to narrow.
Your comparison is off because one is just being a person. Another is being a sour, bitter person. Neither are "news" as you are trying to frame it. Or maybe your "news" part is an off-shoot of some debate I don't know about. But whatever Walden is spewing, it isn't "news". It's opinion and it's bitter and mean and it's VERY 'filtered'.
That leads me to the other point, you are missing. You say you're tying it together for me. No. You are ignoring the difference I outlined. One is positive (probably more neutral than anything but whatever) and the other is full of angst. He's choosing to be that way. He's choosing to call out a current coach. No one ever does that. A previous coach calling out a current one, is bad, bad form.
And while you say he isn't doing the university any harm, a microphone is a very very powerful tool. Like it or not, just like any other person in front of a microphone, he is a voice with power (you can gauge how much) and he is being listened to. There is someone out there that was listening, laughing and saying, "yeah, he's got a point. CML is kind of a turd. So ego centered. Hadn't really thought of him that way but I see his point. Why can't he just coach instead of write books? What's his deal?" I mean come on Ed. To deny the power of media is plain silly. Is he affecting the university, directly? Probably not. But he's sure trying to form a public opinion. THAT is bad. His opinion? Yep. He have a right to give his opinion? Yep. Sad he's trying to form this kind of public opinion, though. Don't want anyone to censor him. I wish he'd have the decency to censor himself. After all, it isn't really censoring… We all know how he feels. He just keeps yapping about it and falling for the same trap the media lays for him… He keeps falling for it, over and over and over again. Going on 4 years running. Sad.
And I want to emphasis… it still isn't "news" but his anger/bitterness/whatever it is… is very filtered. It's obviously his raw emotion. All it is, is tinted, slanted opinion and being give to you with a spoon for your consumption. And you're just gobbling it up, thinking it's good for you, when all it is is poison. Negative, horrible poison. The crazy part is, you are thinking it's UNfiltered.
Just one of those things we disagree over. Raw and emotional is who he is. Positive and negative. You want him to stop being who he is. He has a mic. The wins and losses are much more important and more powerful.
Just like when Leach said the olineman were Zombie like with their performance. That resonates a lot louder with the general public. The moment he did that and sent the lineman up my college roommate checked out of the Mike Leach era. He loved the hire. He hated Wulff, and said bring Wulff back that is how much he was affected by it. Leach is who he is. His words got 2 days of air play, got negative pub from Pac 12 network and as we found out no long term consequences. Everyone moved on. Did we lose fan support in the stadium for it? Nope. Recruits? Doesn't appear so. Just to another news cycle. And yes, I think people are giving Walden way too much credit. He was a guest. No one is affected by his comments.
No we didn't have the money because those contracts weren't secured. You don't borrow when you are unsure about revenue. That's bad business, and all the more reason why they waited till the deal was secured.
Yeah. Raw and emotional is who he is. And he's pointing his negative emotion towards our program. So I'm criticizing his inability to control his raw emotion and harness it for something positive for WSU. That is all. His lack of control. "It is who he is" schtick is a way to give way to mediocrity without any attempt at something better. Because I think he could do a whole bunch of good stuff for WSU if he could learn to hold his tongue. He's choosing not to. His choice, like I said. But that's another part of this that is sad.
So your room mate must dislike Walden quite a bit, then?
There is a difference between the Zombie, basset hound comments and this trash… at least to me. So we'll agree to disagree on that.
And your thought process that giving him a mic had no affect. I'm hoping so but you don't know that, I don't know that… I'd wager there is someone out there that he influenced in some way though… I don't know how anyone could deny that but lets go with that… He is having no affect… Then why say it?! Again it goes to his emotional need to spew his negative crap… To make himself feel better, not make WSU better. Again… Too bad. Kinda pity him.
Consider that some here come from the banking industry that brought about the collapse our economy in 2008. "Bad business" was their modus operandi.
Walden trashed his players plenty back in the day, and he tolerated physical abuse of players as well (an assistant coach shoving Kitrick Taylor around on the sideline in the '85 AC; the "Hell Week" of practices that same year that led to numerous transfers from the program). But that meanie Leach! Calling his linemen "zombies" and making them face reporters, because, as you know, only quarterbacks are tough enough to face the media after games. It's just a matter of time before Leach Beach spews forth from the usual empty heads as they dance around that crazy fire in Harrison.
And that was IT for that guy- Leach had gone TOO FAR.
I assume none of these "it was so mean to make them face the big, tough Spokane media" crew who rail Leach about this watched Wulff's "God, these guys suck" introductory presser.
Well, whoever "that guy" is, it's clear he can be dismissed. His choice of roommates alone disqualifies him.
At least zombies on occasion eat people. That o-line went buns up. "Zombies" is about the mildest term one could apply to their non-performance.
I think that we need to consider that when Moos came on board he had more fires to put out than just an inadequate football staff. Basketball was declining also. Facilities upgrades across the spectrum, not just Martin but also basketball, soccer and baseball were needed. With all these problems and no guaranteed revenue to deal with them, it seems reasonable that he hesitated and took a year to come up with a plan and get a better idea as to expected revenue.
Yeah and since then we've beaten Utah twice in a row, Joe Dahl is on the outland watchlist and more than likely will get drafted.
Mike Leach's job is to get the most out of his players. If they are playing like crap he can tell them they are playing like crap. He's the headman. It's his team. His rules. Jim Walden is not the coach of WSU. He's just some old has been that nobody wanted but us and nobody would put up with his crap but us. He was acting like a petty idiot because his crappy Paul sucked so bad he got canned, and instead of embracing the change he threw a hissy fit, and we threw him out.
Now he's still trying to seek attention by being on the airwaves crying and complaining begging CougFan for interviews because nobody from the school will give him the time of the day any more.
Leach is an honest person but the first thing he did was thank Paul Wulff for the work he had done in his opening presser because he was at least respectful to the schools fellow coaches of which he now is a part of history with...but SOB Walden wanted to keep throwing a fit and cry as if HE runs the athletic department/football team and he didn't get his way.
He can go to hell for all I care. He's a disgrace to WSU. And crybaby loudmouth who was clinging to us for years for a paycheck because nobody else would hire his ass.
Walden's claim to fame is mostly tied to beating the UW in '82, '83, and '85 (toss in the scare of the '84 Orange Bowl mutt team). He did some good things for WSU, but he's undoing much if not all he accomplished with these bitter diatribes.
Sure....that is how you took it. Just saying some people really disliked it, it was news for a couple of days, and then everyone went about their business. Some people did not like it, and some will withhold their money because of it. But in terms of where the program is or was, his statements that day have zero affect on the program.
You just said you had an ex-roommate that withheld their donations AND in the same post say that some will withhold their money because of it… and then you say, they have zero affect on the program? You make so little sense at times ed… I honestly can't wrap my head around you sometimes.
Incorrect, they knew the revenue was more than 3 million per school that we could have spent on his replacement. Also, there was "reportedly" a fund Floyd wanted to dip into to get rid of Wulff. Moos chose not to.
Also Evergreen they hire idiots who think it's a good idea to take out loans without revenue secured first.
It is all about scale. He didn't donate a ton to the football program. There might be lost opportunity for sure cause he has the extra coin to donate, but he puts his extra money in things he feels more important. He isn't a season ticketholder, so his "loss" if that is what you want to call it, is negligible.
Oh my.... nicely done Thong. But the laughable dig aside, I have news for you, the athletic department has always run in the red. They had the funds if Moos chose to use them, he did not.
Why are you so emotional about this. You do get no one in Seattle for example cared what he said on the radio in Spokane. Where is the outrage in Spokane. Where is the outrange on other websites? No one cares what he thinks. He was a guest, threw out his opinions. It didn't affect recruiting, it didn't affect their performance.
We are in big boy football now. It is different than when we had Wulff or Doba. We are playing with the big boys. That is part of it. Crap, coaches get toasted and have their heads called for them because they didn't beat a team by 50. Trust me, Leach could care less what Walden thinks. They realize it goes with the territory.
He essentially had carte blanche. They knew what the minimum and maximum for the revenue was going to be for the expansion and the cable deal, and he knew the funds in 7 months would be enough to pay a coach top five salary in this conference. He chose not to do it. He could have hired Leach for example. He was unemployed. He could have hired McIllwaine, or several other options. He saw enough in the 2010 games at OSU and the Apple Cup to think it was getting turned around.
Yeah, I edited my response because you also said in a generic term, not just your old roommate, that some will withhold their money because of that. I don't know what business you're in, Ed, but I own a small business. I bust my butt every day and if I don't that is a direct result of what I can put on the table for my family. And while you can't chase your tail, trying to catch every penny when you're letting the dollars slip away… Those small things add up quickly, as well. So regardless, you shore that stuff up. You're statement still makes little, actually no, sense to me. You are still contradicting yourself.
Walden isn't really spewing honesty. He's spewing bitter emotion. There is a difference.
Walden is a hypocrite and largely uneducated on and unconnected with WSU football. Plus, he has the compulsive need for the world to recognize him. That's why he's fills an hour of radio time on Saturday mornings for a second rate radio station.
But, hey, I guess that's just who he is.
Yaki- I suggest politely declining that invitation.
Hey he has his opinions I have mine. He's annoyed me for years, and I'm glad he's gone. I'm not the only one that doesn't like Walden. There are a lot of us.
Here's him stumping for Wulff in 2011
From the article
"Basically, I have no idea what the hell Walden was talking about. I've often called him a blowhard and a moron who says things to get attention, but this is taking it one step too far. Dude, go have a glass of prune juice and watch Murder She Wrote. It'll be ok.
Just for transparency, Walden coached at Wazzu for nine seasons. His record was 44-52-4, with three winning seasons. He graduated from Wyoming. I'm usually all for the "Once a Coug, Always a Coug" thing, but ... dude. Go away."
Walden is a jackass he's always been a jackass and apparently he's still a jackass. The day he never says a word publicly about WSU good or bad will be a good day. He's burned his bridge with me and many others.
