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eradicating sarscov2 and it's variants is a myth, "science" has said as much. So, sunshine, the premise of "no cases to be found" is fools gold.
The reason some scientists indicate covid is here to stay isn't because of technical impossibility of effective elimination, it is because a certain segment of the population have and will continue to refuse to get vaccinated, because they are misinformed or frankly irrational. Overcoming stupid ain't easy, granted. But when you don't give people the option to be stupid, or irrational, or they are strongly coerced to vaccinate, as occurs with children and the school attendance stick, guess what? Most childhood prevalent diseases are a thing of the past, unless and until stupidity is allow to creeps back in.

 
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The reason some scientist indicate covid is here to stay isn't because of technical impossibility of effective elimination, it is because a certain segment of the population have and will continue to refuse to get vaccinated, because they are misinformed or frankly irrational. Overcoming stupid ain't easy, granted. But when you don't give people the option to be stupid, or irrational, or they are strongly coerced to vaccinate, as occurs with children and the school attendance stick, guess what? Most childhood prevalent diseases are a thing of the past, unless and until stupidity is allow to creeps back in.

Your attitude, one that thinks we humans can fix anything and everything in this world, is beyond belief. Covid is here to stay and we are going to be dealing with it for the foreseeable future, vaccinations or not.
 
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The reason some scientist indicate covid is here to stay isn't because of technical impossibility of effective elimination, it is because a certain segment of the population have and will continue to refuse to get vaccinated, because they are misinformed or frankly irrational. Overcoming stupid ain't easy, granted. But when you don't give people the option to be stupid, or irrational, or they are strongly coerced to vaccinate, as occurs with children and the school attendance stick, guess what? Most childhood prevalent diseases are a thing of the past, unless and until stupidity is allow to creeps back in.


What response are you looking for? Yes, comrade? Heil, Hitler? Please save us, fearless leader?

People are allowed to make their own choices. Good, bad, smart or stupid.
 
The reason some scientists indicate covid is here to stay isn't because of technical impossibility of effective elimination, it is because a certain segment of the population have and will continue to refuse to get vaccinated, because they are misinformed or frankly irrational. Overcoming stupid ain't easy, granted. But when you don't give people the option to be stupid, or irrational, or they are strongly coerced to vaccinate, as occurs with children and the school attendance stick, guess what? Most childhood prevalent diseases are a thing of the past, unless and until stupidity is allow to creeps back in.

Important distinction here is “eradicate” v. “Eliminate”. The first is to completely remove the disease from existence in the population, as we’ve done with smallpox. The second means removing it from a region, or reducing its threat to a minimal level, which we’ve done with polio and malaria in many areas.

With enough effort, we could certainly “eliminate” COVID, at least in industrialized countries. Some would argue it won’t even be that difficult, based on the disparities in vulnerability across age groups.

Eradication, I believe, is not going to be possible. Like influenza and the common cold, there are too many variants. Worse, flu and COVID have wild animal hosts, so we’d also have to eliminate the virus from those sources to remove the threat. The historical childhood diseases like smallpox and polio don’t have animal hosts, so we only had to eliminate it from humans. We’ve actually only successfully done this with smallpox globally, and it took 200 years.
 
The reason some scientists indicate covid is here to stay isn't because of technical impossibility of effective elimination, it is because a certain segment of the population have and will continue to refuse to get vaccinated, because they are misinformed or frankly irrational. Overcoming stupid ain't easy, granted. But when you don't give people the option to be stupid, or irrational, or they are strongly coerced to vaccinate, as occurs with children and the school attendance stick, guess what? Most childhood prevalent diseases are a thing of the past, unless and until stupidity is allow to creeps back in.

That is not the message that is being put forth by our "leaders". They have used words like "eradicate" and "defeat" non-stop since the virus became a political football about a year ago. Many people in this country are waiting for the zero cases scenario before they will feel "safe" again, imho, because that's what they've been told or lead to believe.

You're article, btw, lists many more reasons for the failure of eradication than "whelp, the hillbilly conservatives hur dur dur", including the fact that there simply aren't enough vaccines worldwide to come even close to herd immunity, and the current initiatives aren't even targeting that number. It plainly points out that our current healthcare system and public heath departments are insufficient for the necessary contact tracing and testing further down the road. It also puts a huge onus on other countries and their efforts (or lack thereof) and how that negatively affects the road to eradication as well.
 
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What response are you looking for? Yes, comrade? Heil, Hitler? Please save us, fearless leader?

People are allowed to make their own choices. Good, bad, smart or stupid.
Andrew Wakefield is that you? Comparing vaccination requirements, a routine health practice though out the USA and the world, to Hitler, is that all you got? You know that is so weak. About as pathetic as me telling you to put your tinfoil hat back on. Funny, like the Wakefield comment, but pointless.

My god, you do realize that well before all this happen, WSU required proof of measles vaccination to attend -- fascist pigs!!!
 
What response are you looking for? Yes, comrade? Heil, Hitler? Please save us, fearless leader?

People are allowed to make their own choices. Good, bad, smart or stupid.
Except...when a particular party wants to determine what a woman can choose...ort if I want to smike a bowl before I go to work. Why have drug tests. Hell I am hopping on a flight to Maui in two hours, I wonder if the pilot had the freedom to hang with Snoop Dogg before he boarded (or is it "borded) thr plane.
 
Except...when a particular party wants to determine what a woman can choose...ort if I want to smike a bowl before I go to work. Why have drug tests. Hell I am hopping on a flight to Maui in two hours, I wonder if the pilot had the freedom to hang with Snoop Dogg before he boarded (or is it "borded) thr plane.

Oh look, Ed can't stay on topic. What a surprise.
 
Andrew

Andrew Wakefield is that you? Comparing vaccination requirements, a routine health practice though out the USA and the world, to Hitler, is that all you got? You know that is so weak. About as pathetic as me telling you to put your tinfoil hat back on. Funny, like the Wakefield comment, but pointless.

My god, you do realize that well before all this happen, WSU required proof of measles vaccination to attend -- fascist pigs!!!

Great Fearless Leader,

I don't know who Andrew Wakefield is. Please forgive me of my sins.

I humbly request the Great Fearless Leader study more regarding eradication of disease. As the Great Fearless Leader has said "Overcoming stupid ain't easy, granted." Knowing about eradication of disease before blaming failure to eradicate on the stupid and irrational will lead to the Great Fearless Leader being exalted for eternity.

Sincerely,

A peasant.

Peasant edits to add, it is unclear whether Great Fearless Leader is a fascist, communist or other form of totalitarian.
 
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Andrew Wakefield is that you? Comparing vaccination requirements, a routine health practice though out the USA and the world, to Hitler, is that all you got? You know that is so weak. About as pathetic as me telling you to put your tinfoil hat back on. Funny, like the Wakefield comment, but pointless.

My god, you do realize that well before all this happen, WSU required proof of measles vaccination to attend -- fascist pigs!!!
Definitely not nearly as weak as calling everyone "stupid" that doesn't agree with the egregious mandate protocols found in the bluest of states that you seem so fond of.
 
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Important distinction here is “eradicate” v. “Eliminate”. The first is to completely remove the disease from existence in the population, as we’ve done with smallpox. The second means removing it from a region, or reducing its threat to a minimal level, which we’ve done with polio and malaria in many areas.

With enough effort, we could certainly “eliminate” COVID, at least in industrialized countries. Some would argue it won’t even be that difficult, based on the disparities in vulnerability across age groups.

Eradication, I believe, is not going to be possible. Like influenza and the common cold, there are too many variants. Worse, flu and COVID have wild animal hosts, so we’d also have to eliminate the virus from those sources to remove the threat. The historical childhood diseases like smallpox and polio don’t have animal hosts, so we only had to eliminate it from humans. We’ve actually only successfully done this with smallpox globally, and it took 200 years.
Valid point, but for our purposes it is a very fine distinction. We are basically talking about letting as much as 25-40% of the US population go unvaccinated because they believe it is their "right" not to, out of political bent, fear, ignorance or irrationality. That's problematic and will likely result in a chronic low grade infection rate and flares for years to come. Just enough to let the pedantic pandemic police to continue most, if not all, of the restrictions we despise! There is also the slim possibility of vaccine resistant mutations which could start the whole debacle again.

I'm of the view we should not let that happen by using traditional and legal public health vaccination practices. Specifically, you want to travel to the USA, fly, attend school, public events or public indoor facilities etc., show us proof of infection or vaccination, otherwise stay home, drive or home school. Context -- the recent heighten school vaccination requirements have been upheld, en masse, even though primary and secondary education is a fundamental constitutional right! Flying or attending sport events aren't.

All to apply once the emergency use authorizations become permanent.
 
Valid point, but for our purposes it is a very fine distinction. We are basically talking about letting as much as 25-40% of the US population go unvaccinated because they believe it is their "right" not to, out of political bent, fear, ignorance or irrationality. That's problematic and will likely result in a chronic low grade infection rate and flares for years to come. Just enough to let the pedantic pandemic police to continue most, if not all, of the restrictions we despise! There is also the slim possibility of vaccine resistant mutations which could start the whole debacle again.

I'm of the view we should not let that happen by using traditional and legal public health vaccination practices. Specifically, you want to travel to the USA, fly, attend school, public events or public indoor facilities etc., show us proof of infection or vaccination, otherwise stay home, drive or home school. Context -- the recent heighten school vaccination requirements have been upheld, en masse, even though primary and secondary education is a fundamental constitutional right! Flying or attending sport events aren't.

All to apply once the emergency use authorizations become permanent.
measles and smallpox kill children. En masse.

Covid does not. Not even close. And children aren't spreaders, even when positive.

So tell me again why we are pushing to vaccinate school age children?
 
Valid point, but for our purposes it is a very fine distinction. We are basically talking about letting as much as 25-40% of the US population go unvaccinated because they believe it is their "right" not to, out of political bent, fear, ignorance or irrationality. That's problematic and will likely result in a chronic low grade infection rate and flares for years to come. Just enough to let the pedantic pandemic police to continue most, if not all, of the restrictions we despise! There is also the slim possibility of vaccine resistant mutations which could start the whole debacle again.

I'm of the view we should not let that happen by using traditional and legal public health vaccination practices. Specifically, you want to travel to the USA, fly, attend school, public events or public indoor facilities etc., show us proof of infection or vaccination, otherwise stay home, drive or home school. Context -- the recent heighten school vaccination requirements have been upheld, en masse, even though primary and secondary education is a fundamental constitutional right! Flying or attending sport events aren't.

All to apply once the emergency use authorizations become permanent.

Great Fearless Leader,

Doctor Anthony Fauci, who is far less exalted than the Great Fearless Leader, has said herd immunity could be reached at 60-70 percent. Others (these could be worthless dogs, or experts, the peasant does not know) believe the threshold for herd immunity is 80 percent. If the Great Fearless Leader believes Dr. Fauci is a worthless lying dog, you should have him beaten and jailed. If the Great Fearless Leader believes Dr. Fauci's experience and holds him in esteem, perhaps Dr. Fauci should be exalted, a bit (far less exaltation than the Great Fearless Leader deserves).

The Great Fearless Leader, in his great wisdom, will realize that herd immunity could be reached without the irrational and stupid receiving the vaccine, either because a sufficient number of the irrational and stupid survived infection and are immune, or that with sufficient vaccination and natural immunity the stupid and irrational will not need to be vaccinated to reach the herd immunity threshold.

It is wonderful to see the Great Fearless Leader remains so focused on a respiratory virus that has over a 99 percent survival rate. You are exalted.

Sincerely,

A peasant.
 
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The reason some scientists indicate covid is here to stay isn't because of technical impossibility of effective elimination, it is because a certain segment of the population have and will continue to refuse to get vaccinated, because they are misinformed or frankly irrational. Overcoming stupid ain't easy, granted. But when you don't give people the option to be stupid, or irrational, or they are strongly coerced to vaccinate, as occurs with children and the school attendance stick, guess what? Most childhood prevalent diseases are a thing of the past, unless and until stupidity is allow to creeps back in.


That may, might even might probably be true, valid point IF IF IF, the disease, Virus, is something like a SMALL POX, SPANISH FLU, etc, something with about a 3.5% to 33% Mortality Rate, KILLS MILLIONS, BILLIONS OF CASES, etc, NOT something like FLU, COVID, with only about a .11%, 1/9 of 1% to .33%, 1/3 of 1% MORTALITY rate like FLU, COVID.

YOU DONT REQUIRE THOSE MEASURES FOR EVERYTHING, and only require those measures for a couple, few, some things, and FLU, COVID is NOT one of those things.
 
Valid point, but for our purposes it is a very fine distinction. We are basically talking about letting as much as 25-40% of the US population go unvaccinated because they believe it is their "right" not to, out of political bent, fear, ignorance or irrationality. That's problematic and will likely result in a chronic low grade infection rate and flares for years to come. Just enough to let the pedantic pandemic police to continue most, if not all, of the restrictions we despise! There is also the slim possibility of vaccine resistant mutations which could start the whole debacle again.

I'm of the view we should not let that happen by using traditional and legal public health vaccination practices. Specifically, you want to travel to the USA, fly, attend school, public events or public indoor facilities etc., show us proof of infection or vaccination, otherwise stay home, drive or home school. Context -- the recent heighten school vaccination requirements have been upheld, en masse, even though primary and secondary education is a fundamental constitutional right! Flying or attending sport events aren't.

All to apply once the emergency use authorizations become permanent.

CORRECTION:

25% TO 40% Dont want to get Vaccinated against COVID, because a .33%, 1/3 of 1% MORTALITY RATE is NOT worth going out and getting Vaccinated IF IF your not in one of the VULNERABLE Demographic Classes, and its MOST definitly not worth FORCED, MASS VACCINATION, THE TAKING AWAY OF LIBERTIES, FREEDOMS; RIGHTS, PRIVILEDGES, ETC, IF DONT GET VACCINATED AGAINST COVID.

YOUR EFFIN JUST AS EFFIN BAD AS KING INSLEE, KING NEWSOME.

YOU PROBABLY WORSHIP THEM, AND YOU PROBABLY VOTED FOR OR WOULD VOTE FOR THEM.

I THOUGHT GIBS CALLING, COMPARING YOU TO A NAZI, WAS OVER THE TOP, BUT YOU ARE A FREAKING SOCIALISTIC, COMMUNISTIC, NAZI LIKE, DICTATOR.

EFFIN GLAD THAT OR HOPE THAT YOUR NOT CURRENTLY IN PUBLIC OFFICE, HOPE THAT YOU NEVER EVER RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE, OR THAT IF YOU DO, THAT YOU NEVER EVER WIN PUBLIC OFFICE.
 
Great Fearless Leader,

Doctor Anthony Fauci, who is far less exalted than the Great Fearless Leader, has said herd immunity could be reached at 60-70 percent. Others (these could be worthless dogs, or experts, the peasant does not know) believe the threshold for herd immunity is 80 percent. If the Great Fearless Leader believes Dr. Fauci is a worthless lying dog, you should have him beaten and jailed. If the Great Fearless Leaders believes Dr. Fauci's experience and holds him in esteem, perhaps Dr. Fauci should be exalted, a bit (far less exaltation than the Great Fearless Leader deserves).

The Great Fearless Leader, in his great wisdom, will realize that herd immunity could be reached without the irrational and stupid receiving the vaccine, either because a sufficient number of the irrational and stupid survived infection and are immune, or that with sufficient vaccination and natural immunity the stupid and irrational will not need to be vaccinated to reach the herd immunity threshold.

It is wonderful to see the Great Fearless Leader remains so focused on a respiratory virus that has over a 99 percent survival rate. You are exalted.

Sincerely,

A peasant.
You guys seem so intent on attacking Fauci in the same breath as you are complaining about Covid being a political football. Listen, I could give two shits about Fauci. I’m gonna take a wild guess that few here are practicing Christian Scientists and actually make it to the doctor occasionally vs rubbing some South Pacific fern on your nipples when you have chest pain. Do the overwhelming majority of medical professionals thoughts on this not move the needle for you at all? Because most MDs (I would guess a decent amount are Rs as well) are imploring people to get vaccinated. I’ve got a bad shoulder an orthopedic surgeon in Spokane is looking at...Coug grad in his 60s/70s. Both times I’ve seen him he’s told me to make sure I get vaccinated. I’m trusting he’s going to determine the right course of action for my shoulder, but by god I’m not have him talk me into getting nanochipped by the deep state!
 
You guys seem so intent on attacking Fauci in the same breath as you are complaining about Covid being a political football. Listen, I could give two shits about Fauci. I’m gonna take a wild guess that few here are practicing Christian Scientists and actually make it to the doctor occasionally vs rubbing some South Pacific fern on your nipples when you have chest pain. Do the overwhelming majority of medical professionals thoughts on this not move the needle for you at all? Because most MDs (I would guess a decent amount are Rs as well) are imploring people to get vaccinated. I’ve got a bad shoulder an orthopedic surgeon in Spokane is looking at...Coug grad in his 60s/70s. Both times I’ve seen him he’s told me to make sure I get vaccinated. I’m trusting he’s going to determine the right course of action for my shoulder, but by god I’m not have him talk me into getting nanochipped by the deep state!

There is only one Great Fearless Leader! You are not he!

Read you ignorant dog!

 
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measles and smallpox kill children. En masse.

Covid does not. Not even close. And children aren't spreaders, even when positive.

So tell me again why we are pushing to vaccinate school age children?
Yet . But we will be ahead of the curve if a variant comes out that does kill them in mass . Do you know what the variants bring . Ever consider a variant of something possibly less deadly was the origin of the measles ?
 
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Yet . But we will be ahead of the curve if a variant comes out that does kill them in mass . Do you know what the variants bring . Ever o. Ur to you the measles was a variant of something possibly less deadly originally ?
You good, Ed? Do we need to call EMS?
 
Yet . But we will be ahead of the curve if a variant comes out that does kill them in mass . Do you know what the variants bring . Ever o. Ur to you the measles was a variant of something possibly less deadly originally ?
At 9:11 this morning you said you were hopping on a flight to Maui in 2 hours. It's been 3.5 hours since you posted that. Quick flight? You live in Kona?
 
At 9:11 this morning you said you were hopping on a flight to Maui in 2 hours. It's been 3.5 hours since you posted that. Quick flight? You live in Kona?
Actually flight leaves at 1255. On the tarmac . Tried to post with mask and fogging readers .
 
It's interesting how often you can tell a persons IQ by their response. Obviously you're usually on the outside looking in when it comes to intelligent discourse on a subject.
Need a helping hand on how to craft a response that will get your point across and not make you look 12 years old? See 95coug's response direct above. You could learn a thing or two.

Trigger much?

All the trumpies are such pathetic snowflakes.
 
Actually flight leaves at 1255. On the tarmac . Tried to post with mask and fogging readers .

This should end any debate over masking. Frequent and unnecessary calls to EMS will be made over fear that Ed has stroked out.
 
You guys seem so intent on attacking Fauci in the same breath as you are complaining about Covid being a political football. Listen, I could give two shits about Fauci. I’m gonna take a wild guess that few here are practicing Christian Scientists and actually make it to the doctor occasionally vs rubbing some South Pacific fern on your nipples when you have chest pain. Do the overwhelming majority of medical professionals thoughts on this not move the needle for you at all? Because most MDs (I would guess a decent amount are Rs as well) are imploring people to get vaccinated. I’ve got a bad shoulder an orthopedic surgeon in Spokane is looking at...Coug grad in his 60s/70s. Both times I’ve seen him he’s told me to make sure I get vaccinated. I’m trusting he’s going to determine the right course of action for my shoulder, but by god I’m not have him talk me into getting nanochipped by the deep state!
Tell Pat Hi.
 
Simply pointing out your hypocrisy... and others . The government can make those mandates .. and have .
 
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That's not germane, its tangential to the points made, ED.

FLU is about 60 Million cases a year, and about 60k deaths per year, about a .11%, 1/9 of 1% Mortality Rate.

While Covid: About 180 million cases, about 600k Dead, and about a .33%, 1/3 of 1% Mortality Rate.

Those are the only things that matter. Now compare. That comparison shows that Covid is not that much worse then Flu, and that since FLU doesnt use Covid Measures like LOCKDOWNS, etc, Covid shouldnt use Lockdowns, etc, either.

Thats the point, and PERTINENT info, the rest about you saying why Flu has a offseason is IRRELEVANT to the points made, whether your making those points, or disputing those points.
Actually it is germane Mik. You compare it to he flu... and you can’t do that because the flu is a fourth month disease . It goes away in the spring and comes back late fall early winter .

Also we don’t mask up as a preventative measure . So the comparison is simply bogus.
 
Actually it is germane Mik. You compare it to he flu... and you can’t do that because the flu is a fourth month disease . It goes away in the spring and comes back late fall early winter .

Also we don’t mask up as a preventative measure . So the comparison is simply bogus.

IT IS A VALID COMPARISON ED BECAUSE THE 4 MONTHS THING DOESNT MATTER ED.

WHAT DOES MATTER:

FLU KILLS ABOUT 60K A YEAR, OUT OF ABOUT 60 MILLION CASES, WHICH IS ABOUT 1/3 the MORTALITY RATE OF COVID, AT ABOUT .11%, 1/9 OF 1% MORTALITY RATE, COMPARED TO .ABOUT 180 MILLION CASES, 600K DEAD, .33%, 1/3 OF 1% MORTALITY RATE OF COVID(THIS THAT IS A VALID STATISTICAL COMPARISON ED)

AND YOUR RIGHT THAT BECAUSE OF ITS LOW MORTALITY RATE, FLU DOESNT USE THE COVID MEASURES, AND NEITHER SHOULD COVID USE COVID MEASURES BECAUSE COVID ALMOST JUST LIKE FLU HAS A EXTREMELY LOW MORTALITY RATE(AND THAT'S ALSO A VALID POINT, COMPARISON ED)

YOU CAN STOP BEING A EDIOT ANY TME NOW
 
IT IS A VALID COMPARISON ED BECAUSE THE 4 MONTHS THING DOESNT MATTER ED.

WHAT DOES MATTER:

FLU KILLS ABOUT 60K A YEAR, OUT OF ABOUT 60 MILLION CASES, WHICH IS ABOUT 1/3 the MORTALITY RATE OF COVID, AT ABOUT .11%, 1/9 OF 1% MORTALITY RATE, COMPARED TO .ABOUT 180 MILLION CASES, 600K DEAD, .33%, 1/3 OF 1% MORTALITY RATE OF COVID(THIS THAT IS A VALID STATISTICAL COMPARISON ED)

AND YOUR RIGHT THAT BECAUSE OF ITS LOW MORTALITY RATE, FLU DOESNT USE THE COVID MEASURES, AND NEITHER SHOULD COVID USE COVID MEASURES BECAUSE COVID ALMOST JUST LIKE FLU HAS A EXTREMELY LOW MORTALITY RATE(AND THAT'S ALSO A VALID POINT, COMPARISON ED)

YOU CAN STOP BEING A EDIOT ANY TME NOW
Again ... it does matter because we have zero idea how COVID if left unchecked will have on a community .

Again mik ... the death rate is a carrot . The issue is over running the hospitals like New York before the lock down , or LA. The issue is being able to deal with covid at a hospital, making sure people who have non life threatening conditions get the proper care so they don’t turn into life threatening situations, and it is to keeping the unknown about the variants at a minimum .

So feel free to compare a illness in the flu which very few people mitigate it and lasts four months to an illness which we have been hit and miss on mitigation that is at work 365 days a year
 
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