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ND Okafor - Cal to WSU

How is Vavers a D2 player when he has already played in D1? Steele Venters averaged 3.6 ppg as a freshman at Idaho. DJ Rodman averaged 1.7 ppg as a freshman. Daven Harmeling averaged 2.8 ppg as a freshman. Isaac Bonton averaged 7.8 ppg at Montana State as a freshman at a similar conference as Vavers. At WSU, Bonton averaged 15.3 and 17.7.
Not to mention Ruben Chinleyu and Isaiah Watts averaging 4.7 ppg and 3.7 ppg respectively as D-1 freshmen. Quinnipiac is not well known on the west coast, but the D-1 basketball program has been pretty solid in recent years, including 24 wins last year and a post season tournament (CBI) with Vavers as a contributing freshman. I have no problem with him as a recruit.

Glad Cougar

ND Okafor - Cal to WSU

The thing about comparing Wood and Vavers athleticism is that last year was Wood's 6th year removed from high school compared to Vavers' second (he attended prep school). I know for myself, I was a much better athlete my 4th year at WSU versus my 1st, as I put on 25-30 pounds of muscle as my body matured. I was faster, stronger, moved better, etc.

I think it is a decent comparison. I think Vavers' will continue to improve as Wood's did. Woods never averaged double digits unit his fourth year after high school. I didn't realize until I looked that the uw was Wood's fourth school (Tulane, UNLV, Portland, and the uw).

Vavers' offensive rating last year was 110.8. Yes, even is a lesser league that is impressive.
When I looked at their freshman stats I'm sure I was guilty of some confirmation bias. They were eerily close although Vavers was better from the line (86% to 78%). Comps are pretty tough. Aljaz Kunc perhaps is a better positional comp, but still different types of players.

I took a look at the MAAC Semi's against St. Peter's. Vavers got exposed baseline once but for the most part showed enough quickness to stay in front of smaller guards when they were man.

Solid looking player that can shoot the 3 and has good perimeter length. Also, I think Riley seems to do a nice job of projecting. Time will tell though.

UPDATE: I'm probably buying a 2011 Shadow Cruiser 195 WBS 19 foot long RV Travel trailer for $5000!

Just talked to the owner, and made arrangements for my friend Bob, with his truck and me, etc, to go check out the RV at Les Schwab Tire on Sprague, in Spokane, on next, this coming Friday(not today Friday)at 1 pm.

The owner says he is going to have the Electricity, Water, etc, on in the RV, etc, show that everything works, etc, and after I check it out, etc, he said if I still want it, then I'll give him the $5000, do the paperwork, hitch it up, take it where I park it, etc.

My friend Bob said that Monday afternoon, or any daytime time on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, etc, works for him, and to call him(My friend Bob), back a tell him the time, place after I made the arrangements.

The arrangements have been made, all that's left to do is call Bob, let him know, and then go check it out, and then buy it(assuming it passes inspection(and it probably will as the guy demonstrated his honesty, by posting pictures that ZOOMED, showed the problem areas), pay, give the $5000 to him right then there, and then get the paperwork, title, then hitch it up, take it home.

So probably about a 99.999% chance that pretty much, almost a done deal, that going to be able to buy this, etc.

Wow, I'm finally going to buy a RV, this is great, exciting, etc.

Michigan alcohol sales and ACC Spring Meeting

The infrastructure improvements would - I assume - mean making physical modifications to the stadium that would create a beer garden with a field view.


WSU is going to be increasing security overall, even without alcohol in the stadium.



Here's my suggestion to handle both issues:

Word has long been that when they made the upgrades to the east endzone and added concessions & bathrooms, those were built with the intention of supporting additional construction above them. So...do it. Only, don't make it seating. Build a patio beer garden that spans entire width north to south. Access from north or south, only from inside the stadium, with control points for ID checks to satisfy WSLCB. They could even build it with a terrace or two to maintain view of the field. Guarantee it would be packed for every home game.

And, they could rent the patio out for events on non-game weekends.
95, Who the hell gave you permission to have good ideas? That is my purview. :)

And to another post - so the mutts DO sell alcohol in the stadium? For consumption in the actual seats or in a segregated area?

Back to 95's idea - remember when, not long before the FOB was built, the playfield drinking area stretched over to right above the endzone bleachers, in effect a beer garden with a view of the game? I remember drinking there one game. Might have been just for one season...

ND Okafor - Cal to WSU

How is Vavers a D2 player when he has already played in D1? Steele Venters averaged 3.6 ppg as a freshman at Idaho. DJ Rodman averaged 1.7 ppg as a freshman. Daven Harmeling averaged 2.8 ppg as a freshman. Isaac Bonton averaged 7.8 ppg at Montana State as a freshman at a similar conference as Vavers. At WSU, Bonton averaged 15.3 and 17.7.

The difference is that USUALLY coaches don't get the 2 to 4 to 6, etc ppg freshman after their freshman year. They wait until IF they become either a starter, situational starter, 6th man off bench, score about 11, 12, 13+ ppg, or 3 to 5 to 7 blocks per game, or 3 to 5 to 7 assist per game, or 3 to 5 to 7 steals per game, or 6 to 8 to 10+ rebounds per games, at the lower levels, in other words GREAT STATS, THEN recruit, get them.

Most coaches, scouts, recruiters, etc, USUALLY don't get a recruit, even if just a freshman, if they have BAD, LOW, CRAPPY, ETC, STATS.

Yes a 2 to 4 to 6 ppg, 1,2 rebounds, 13 to 17 minutes off the bench players sometimes blow up their sophomore, junior, etc, years, seasons, and sometimes do well at the higher levels, but they are the exceptions to the norm.

And just because WSU has had some freshman that had bad stats, that later did ok, well, good, etc, at WSU, does not mean that it's normal for freshman with lower stats, at lower levels to later do well at the higher level, and be exceptions, and that it's not risky, and that future low Stat at lower level freshman might do well.

That's very risky, Gambly to get a low Stat at lower level freshman, etc.

Either you grab, recruit, get, etc, about a 8,9,10,11,12, etc, ppg, or about a 5,6,7,8,9,10 rebound per game, or about a 3, 4, 5, assist per game, or about a 2,3,4 steals per game, Good STATS freshman, after the freshman season over at the lower levels, or you wait until their sophomore, junior year, and if they GOOD, higher, etc, stats, get them then, and if they have lower, bad stats at lower levels as a freshman, then pass on them.

If Isaac Jones had only scored 7 ppg, 2.7 rebounds, as a freshman at WVC, community college, Smith wouldn't have recruited taken him, after his freshman season over.

BETTER STATS at the lower levels, whether freshman, sophomore, Junior, etc, USUALLY equals better chance to do well at higher level, then those that got lower stats at lower levels.

A lower level player that gets GREAT STATS, at lower level USUALLY has a better chance at doing well at higher level then a player with lower, worse stats at the lower level.

There are exceptions to that, but that's basically logically, factually, usually true, etc.

ND Okafor - Cal to WSU

Moses Woods looks like a good comp.

Yes it's only May and maybe Coward signs and/or Wells come back. We really need a 1/PG/CG to handle the ball as the only one on the roster presently might be Isaiah. Front court looks fine and like it's make up.
I think that there are already two more signed.
Hoping Coward and a PG are the 2. Both are needs with the last 4 (?) spots.

Michigan alcohol sales and ACC Spring Meeting

Technology must have really regressed in the last 35 or 40 years.

Fraternities could drain 25 kegs at a happy hour with a couple sets of gravity taps and hordes of sorority girls.

The infrastructure improvements would - I assume - mean making physical modifications to the stadium that would create a beer garden with a field view.

Went to the game at Colorado State last year. Beer sales everywhere. Huge variety and they were making a killing. Selling out of a self serve kiosks even. I really don’t understand why WSU can’t do anything when the security is super loose at other schools.
WSU is going to be increasing security overall, even without alcohol in the stadium.



Here's my suggestion to handle both issues:

Word has long been that when they made the upgrades to the east endzone and added concessions & bathrooms, those were built with the intention of supporting additional construction above them. So...do it. Only, don't make it seating. Build a patio beer garden that spans entire width north to south. Access from north or south, only from inside the stadium, with control points for ID checks to satisfy WSLCB. They could even build it with a terrace or two to maintain view of the field. Guarantee it would be packed for every home game.

And, they could rent the patio out for events on non-game weekends.

Jim Williams Reports that ACC has contigency deal, offer on standby with, for PAC 2, Greg Swaime says B12 can invite PAC 2 in future.

The ACC Conference is not going to fall apart because they are too big with 18 schools.

The Big 12 almost fell apart but the Pac 12 was the Conference that collapsed. The reason was both Conferences were too small (10-12 schools) and subject to a raid. That was the same reason that the Big East Football Conference fell apart ( 8 football schools in conference).

When Texas and Oklahoma left the BIG 12 the Conference was expected to fall apart. However, they picked up 4 PAC schools which when combined have state population gain of only 16 million. Additionally, the Big 12 had to take in 4 AAC schools to survive.

The ACC has 2 schools (FSU and Clemson) wanting to leave the Conference. I personally don't care if they leave provided they give money (GOR settlement) to the ACC for their departure. I believe that ESPN also joined the suit with the ACC against FSU and Clemson. Pay the money and you can leave. If FSU and Clemson leave they will become little fish in their New Conference (IMO).

Remember ABC/ESPN have exclusive contracts with the SEC and ACC and both Conferences have ESPN TV Networks SECN and ACCN (Big 12 does not have their own network).

If the ACC Conference would collapse, ESPN would lose most of their network broad cast content to FOX and only have the SEC.

No ACC team will be leaving the Conference to go to the Big 12. If necessary the ACC would go to the Big 12 to refill any defections. I would like to see the ACC get Washington State and Oregon State (Both P-5 Schools) to get a Western Pod like the B1G.

No one knows how this will all play out at the moment but you can suspect that ABC/ESPN is in discussions with the ACC Conference and will result in outcomes that will be financially beneficial for both parties.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

ND Okafor - Cal to WSU

Except for Smith's 1st year, , maybe even second year, but probably not Smith's second year, Riley's recruiting hasn't been as good as Smith's recruits.

Smith recruited 3.5 stars, 4 stars, 4.5 stars, and his recruits were USUALLY starters at the lower levels, or 6th men off bench, that played a lot of minutes, score a lot more then only 7 points at the lower levels(HS, JC, community colleges, D2, Whitworth, Big Sky, MAAC, Big West, WAC, C-USA, AAC, etc, lower then PAC 12 levels.

Only Price about equal to Smith's early 1st, maybe even 2nd year recruits, and only Okafor better then Smith's 1st season, maybe even 2nd year recruits, and almost, about equal to 3rd year Smith's recruits, and not as good as Smith's BEST recruits.

As far as Vaver's, there are 2 possibilities, either he did ok, good scoring only about 7 points in 18 minutes because he was buried behind a team full of STUDS ahead, in front of him, OR OR, he WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET MORE THEN 18 MINUTES, only put up 7 ppg, 2.7 rebounds..

And while 7 ppg is ok in 18 minutes at the, a LOWER LEVEL place, league, lower then PAC 12, WCC, MWC, etc, It's still not high enough, good enough, etc.

(Yes there are players that are lower scorers, get less minutes, etc, but getting them is a exception, and usually they are specialty player(Exceptional, Excellent defense, great rebounder(7 to 10 to 13+), great 3 point shooter(50% not 37%, even tho 37% good), 10 assist per game, 7 steals per game, Rim Protector, 7 blocks a game, ,etc, and usually they are 7 footers, TALL, BIG, etc)

Do most PAC 12, MWC, WCC, Midmajor, Power Conference, etc, coaches get a HS kid that scores 7 ppg, 2.7 rebounds in 18 minutes on a GSL, 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A team?

NO, they instead get the HS kid that averaging 25+ points, or 7 to 10 to 13 rebounds per game, scores 60 points in a game, gets 23 rebounds in a game, etc.

Do they grab the kid at a community college that score 7 in 18 minutes? NO they get the player that Score 14 to 16 to 18+, or get 6 to 8 to 10 rebounds in a game instead of only getting 1,2,3 rebounds.

Do they get a 7 ppg, 2.7 rebounds in a game in 18 minutes from D2, Whitworth, Big Sky, WAC, Big West, MAAC, etc, or do they get a 13 to 15 to 17+ ppg, 8 to 10 to 12 rebounds per game player, transfer?

In GENERAL, USUALLY, kids, players, transfers, etc, at the LOWER LEVEL places, leagues, conferences, etc, or at least lower then PAC 12, WCC, MWC, etc, that only score 3 to 5 to 7 to 9 ppg, or only get 1,2,3 rebounds per game, or have LOW, BAD STATS, etc, and have low minutes, that are bench players, etc, USUALLY DO NOT DO WELL OR AS WELL OR HAVE GREAT DIFFICULTY MAKING THE TRANSITION, PLAYING WELL AT THE HIGHER LEVELS, AND ARE USUALLY END OF BENCH, PREFERRED WALK ON PLAYERS AT THE HIGHER LEVELS.

Did Smith get a 7 ppg, 2.7 rebounds per game in 18 minutes off the bench from University of Idaho, or did he instead get Isaac Jones that was scoring a LOT OF POINTS, GOOD STATS as a STARTER at the LOWER LEVEL, at least lower then WCC, MWC, PAC 12, etc, level University of Idaho?

Also getting a player that has GREAT STATS, whether scoring, rebounds, etc, at the lower levels is the NORM, not the exception.

Vavers is worthy of a PREFERRED WALK ON, OR if have a leftover scholly, and can afford to give it to a player like Vavers, then that ok, as need roleplayer, bench players, scout team players, scrubs players, etc, at even the higher levels.

Vavers is a D2, Whitworth, Big Sky level player that probably would get a lot of minutes, score a lot at the lower levels eventually.

If he does do well at WSU, it would probably be like Lodwick, in his redshirt Junior, Senior, 5th year senior, 6th year senior year,if he were to even stay that long, and not transfer portal down to a lower level because of lack of minutes, LACK of GOOD STATS, etc.
How is Vavers a D2 player when he has already played in D1? Steele Venters averaged 3.6 ppg as a freshman at Idaho. DJ Rodman averaged 1.7 ppg as a freshman. Daven Harmeling averaged 2.8 ppg as a freshman. Isaac Bonton averaged 7.8 ppg at Montana State as a freshman at a similar conference as Vavers. At WSU, Bonton averaged 15.3 and 17.7.

ND Okafor - Cal to WSU

Riley has not signed one JC player, he has not signed one D-2 player and he certainly hasn’t signed a low level high school player. it would be great if you could at least get some semblance of the facts correct before you ramble on about what you clearly know nothing about.
Riley has done exactly what Smith did in his first year, they have both brought in players that they were obviously recruiting to their former team. It is only fair to compare Riley to Smith’s first year since this is his first year. I would say his recruits thus far have been better or at least equal to Smith’s first year.
It should also be noted that Riley is recruiting for a lower tier conference than the PAC12 which means WSU has less drawing power than it did when it was in a power conference. It should also allow for more success with potentially lower level players. I personally think WSU is sitting in a good position to compete in the WCC. I doubt we break the top two hold that Saint Mary’s and GU have on the conference but third place is very doable.
So far, in their first year at WSU, Riley is blowing Smith out of the water regarding recruiting. Isaac Bonton, Volodymyr Markovetskyy, Ryan Rapp, Noah Williams, Daron Henson, and DJ Rodman was Smith's first class. Bonton is clearly the best player. Williams was a mixed bag. Rodman was OK, but easily replaceable. The rest were forgettable. There are several players that Riley has brought in that will be better than every player except Bonton. I agree, WSU is in a good position to compete in the WCC.

ND Okafor - Cal to WSU

There are probably better comps, but Vavers shooting reminded me of Moses Wood (dub). A bit different overall as players with Wood seeming more athletic with longer levers and able to take the 4. Still, similar freshman minutes and shooting stats. Vavers averaged under 18 minutes per game and shot a respectable 37% from 3. Even though his 2FG% is low (43%), he still had an eFG% over 50%. Need more than shooting, but you can never have enough of it.

Good points on comparison to Smith's recruiting. Vavers is a good compliment to LeJuan Watts and Isaiah Watts. All 3 (plus Wynott/Wilson) hopefully are rotation guys this year which means Riley still has some work to do. It's "only" May.
The thing about comparing Wood and Vavers athleticism is that last year was Wood's 6th year removed from high school compared to Vavers' second (he attended prep school). I know for myself, I was a much better athlete my 4th year at WSU versus my 1st, as I put on 25-30 pounds of muscle as my body matured. I was faster, stronger, moved better, etc.

I think it is a decent comparison. I think Vavers' will continue to improve as Wood's did. Woods never averaged double digits unit his fourth year after high school. I didn't realize until I looked that the uw was Wood's fourth school (Tulane, UNLV, Portland, and the uw).

Vavers' offensive rating last year was 110.8. Yes, even is a lesser league that is impressive.

ND Okafor - Cal to WSU

My opinion is that you are way overthinking this. The MAAC is in no way a community college level league. Quinnipiac won the league championship, so they are not a bad team. Quinnipiac was also a senior and junior dominated team. To expect him to come in and start as a freshman over established players is not realistic. In points per minute, he was second on the team and this was as a freshman.

I have no idea if he will be any good in a Cougar uniform. If he isn't, he enters the portal next year and Riley recruits someone else.
Are they in the same league as UIPUI? Outside of WSU that’s my favorite basketball team.

Mutts get rid of rapist (alleged) running back...

Talk about closing the barn door after the horses get out.

Didn’t think they had it in them. Impressive.

ND Okafor - Cal to WSU

Except for Smith's 1st year, , maybe even second year, but probably not Smith's second year, Riley's recruiting hasn't been as good as Smith's recruits.

Smith recruited 3.5 stars, 4 stars, 4.5 stars, and his recruits were USUALLY starters at the lower levels, or 6th men off bench, that played a lot of minutes, score a lot more then only 7 points at the lower levels(HS, JC, community colleges, D2, Whitworth, Big Sky, MAAC, Big West, WAC, C-USA, AAC, etc, lower then PAC 12 levels.

Only Price about equal to Smith's early 1st, maybe even 2nd year recruits, and only Okafor better then Smith's 1st season, maybe even 2nd year recruits, and almost, about equal to 3rd year Smith's recruits, and not as good as Smith's BEST recruits.

As far as Vaver's, there are 2 possibilities, either he did ok, good scoring only about 7 points in 18 minutes because he was buried behind a team full of STUDS ahead, in front of him, OR OR, he WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET MORE THEN 18 MINUTES, only put up 7 ppg, 2.7 rebounds..

And while 7 ppg is ok in 18 minutes at the, a LOWER LEVEL place, league, lower then PAC 12, WCC, MWC, etc, It's still not high enough, good enough, etc.

(Yes there are players that are lower scorers, get less minutes, etc, but getting them is a exception, and usually they are specialty player(Exceptional, Excellent defense, great rebounder(7 to 10 to 13+), great 3 point shooter(50% not 37%, even tho 37% good), 10 assist per game, 7 steals per game, Rim Protector, 7 blocks a game, ,etc, and usually they are 7 footers, TALL, BIG, etc)

Do most PAC 12, MWC, WCC, Midmajor, Power Conference, etc, coaches get a HS kid that scores 7 ppg, 2.7 rebounds in 18 minutes on a GSL, 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A team?

NO, they instead get the HS kid that averaging 25+ points, or 7 to 10 to 13 rebounds per game, scores 60 points in a game, gets 23 rebounds in a game, etc.

Do they grab the kid at a community college that score 7 in 18 minutes? NO they get the player that Score 14 to 16 to 18+, or get 6 to 8 to 10 rebounds in a game instead of only getting 1,2,3 rebounds.

Do they get a 7 ppg, 2.7 rebounds in a game in 18 minutes from D2, Whitworth, Big Sky, WAC, Big West, MAAC, etc, or do they get a 13 to 15 to 17+ ppg, 8 to 10 to 12 rebounds per game player, transfer?

In GENERAL, USUALLY, kids, players, transfers, etc, at the LOWER LEVEL places, leagues, conferences, etc, or at least lower then PAC 12, WCC, MWC, etc, that only score 3 to 5 to 7 to 9 ppg, or only get 1,2,3 rebounds per game, or have LOW, BAD STATS, etc, and have low minutes, that are bench players, etc, USUALLY DO NOT DO WELL OR AS WELL OR HAVE GREAT DIFFICULTY MAKING THE TRANSITION, PLAYING WELL AT THE HIGHER LEVELS, AND ARE USUALLY END OF BENCH, PREFERRED WALK ON PLAYERS AT THE HIGHER LEVELS.

Did Smith get a 7 ppg, 2.7 rebounds per game in 18 minutes off the bench from University of Idaho, or did he instead get Isaac Jones that was scoring a LOT OF POINTS, GOOD STATS as a STARTER at the LOWER LEVEL, at least lower then WCC, MWC, PAC 12, etc, level University of Idaho?

Also getting a player that has GREAT STATS, whether scoring, rebounds, etc, at the lower levels is the NORM, not the exception.

Vavers is worthy of a PREFERRED WALK ON, OR if have a leftover scholly, and can afford to give it to a player like Vavers, then that ok, as need roleplayer, bench players, scout team players, scrubs players, etc, at even the higher levels.

Vavers is a D2, Whitworth, Big Sky level player that probably would get a lot of minutes, score a lot at the lower levels eventually.

If he does do well at WSU, it would probably be like Lodwick, in his redshirt Junior, Senior, 5th year senior, 6th year senior year,if he were to even stay that long, and not transfer portal down to a lower level because of lack of minutes, LACK of GOOD STATS, etc.
Riley has not signed one JC player, he has not signed one D-2 player and he certainly hasn’t signed a low level high school player. it would be great if you could at least get some semblance of the facts correct before you ramble on about what you clearly know nothing about.
Riley has done exactly what Smith did in his first year, they have both brought in players that they were obviously recruiting to their former team. It is only fair to compare Riley to Smith’s first year since this is his first year. I would say his recruits thus far have been better or at least equal to Smith’s first year.
It should also be noted that Riley is recruiting for a lower tier conference than the PAC12 which means WSU has less drawing power than it did when it was in a power conference. It should also allow for more success with potentially lower level players. I personally think WSU is sitting in a good position to compete in the WCC. I doubt we break the top two hold that Saint Mary’s and GU have on the conference but third place is very doable.

Michigan alcohol sales and ACC Spring Meeting

Oh give me a break, sheesh. I'm not a alcohol drinker, etc, and don't encourage it, etc, but since drinking is going to be done anyway, and since there is money to be made off of drinking, then that money might as well goto WSU, instead of local businesses.

And it shouldn't be that hard to have the alcohol, beer, etc, vendor, etc, look at ID's, see if the person on ID card matches the person standing in front of them trying to buy alcohol, and if the card is either expired, or doesn't match the person in front of them, or if the card doesn't show that the person is 18 to 21 or whatever the minimum drinking age is, or if the person doesn't have, show ID card, etc, then turn them away, don't sell alcohol, beer to them, that person, etc.

And Liqour control shouldn't require more then that, and doing that either doesn't or shouldn't cost 1 mil.

And it shouldn't be too hard for a Vendor to say "Sorry I'm going to have to cut you off, not sell you any more beer, alcohol, etc, as you are SMASHED, Drunk, etc, and might either have your behavior affected, start behaving badly, might get alcohol poisoning, etc."

And if a drunk doesn't take no more alcohol for a answer, have security nearby the Vendor.

ND Okafor - Cal to WSU

There are probably better comps, but Vavers shooting reminded me of Moses Wood (dub). A bit different overall as players with Wood seeming more athletic with longer levers and able to take the 4. Still, similar freshman minutes and shooting stats. Vavers averaged under 18 minutes per game and shot a respectable 37% from 3. Even though his 2FG% is low (43%), he still had an eFG% over 50%. Need more than shooting, but you can never have enough of it.

Good points on comparison to Smith's recruiting. Vavers is a good compliment to LeJuan Watts and Isaiah Watts. All 3 (plus Wynott/Wilson) hopefully are rotation guys this year which means Riley still has some work to do. It's "only" May.
Moses Woods looks like a good comp.

Yes it's only May and maybe Coward signs and/or Wells come back. We really need a 1/PG/CG to handle the ball as the only one on the roster presently might be Isaiah. Front court looks fine and like it's make up.

Michigan alcohol sales and ACC Spring Meeting

I was told they’ve asked for RFPs from vendors that would require the vendor to make major infrastructure investments into the stadium (presumably required by liquor control?) that would be in the $1M range and no one is overly intersted in doing that for 6 games per year.

Oh give me a break, sheesh. I'm not a alcohol drinker, etc, and don't encourage it, etc, but since drinking is going to be done anyway, and since there is money to be made off of drinking, then that money might as well goto WSU, instead of local businesses.

And it shouldn't be that hard to have the alcohol, beer, etc, vendor, etc, look at ID's, see if the person on ID card matches the person standing in front of them trying to buy alcohol, and if the card is either expired, or doesn't match the person in front of them, or if the card doesn't show that the person is 18 to 21 or whatever the minimum drinking age is, or if the person doesn't have, show ID card, etc, then turn them away, don't sell alcohol, beer to them, that person, etc.

And Liqour control shouldn't require more then that, and doing that either doesn't or shouldn't cost 1 mil.

Michigan alcohol sales and ACC Spring Meeting

I was told they’ve asked for RFPs from vendors that would require the vendor to make major infrastructure investments into the stadium (presumably required by liquor control?) that would be in the $1M range and no one is overly intersted in doing that for 6 games per year.
Technology must have really regressed in the last 35 or 40 years.

Fraternities could drain 25 kegs at a happy hour with a couple sets of gravity taps and hordes of sorority girls.
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ND Okafor - Cal to WSU

There are probably better comps, but Vavers shooting reminded me of Moses Wood (dub). A bit different overall as players with Wood seeming more athletic with longer levers and able to take the 4. Still, similar freshman minutes and shooting stats. Vavers averaged under 18 minutes per game and shot a respectable 37% from 3. Even though his 2FG% is low (43%), he still had an eFG% over 50%. Need more than shooting, but you can never have enough of it.

Good points on comparison to Smith's recruiting. Vavers is a good compliment to LeJuan Watts and Isaiah Watts. All 3 (plus Wynott/Wilson) hopefully are rotation guys this year which means Riley still has some work to do. It's "only" May.

Except for Smith's 1st year, , maybe even second year, but probably not Smith's second year, Riley's recruiting hasn't been as good as Smith's recruits.

Smith recruited 3.5 stars, 4 stars, 4.5 stars, and his recruits were USUALLY starters at the lower levels, or 6th men off bench, that played a lot of minutes, score a lot more then only 7 points at the lower levels(HS, JC, community colleges, D2, Whitworth, Big Sky, MAAC, Big West, WAC, C-USA, AAC, etc, lower then PAC 12 levels.

Only Price about equal to Smith's early 1st, maybe even 2nd year recruits, and only Okafor better then Smith's 1st season, maybe even 2nd year recruits, and almost, about equal to 3rd year Smith's recruits, and not as good as Smith's BEST recruits.

As far as Vaver's, there are 2 possibilities, either he did ok, good scoring only about 7 points in 18 minutes because he was buried behind a team full of STUDS ahead, in front of him, OR OR, he WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET MORE THEN 18 MINUTES, only put up 7 ppg, 2.7 rebounds..

And while 7 ppg is ok in 18 minutes at the, a LOWER LEVEL place, league, lower then PAC 12, WCC, MWC, etc, It's still not high enough, good enough, etc.

(Yes there are players that are lower scorers, get less minutes, etc, but getting them is a exception, and usually they are specialty player(Exceptional, Excellent defense, great rebounder(7 to 10 to 13+), great 3 point shooter(50% not 37%, even tho 37% good), 10 assist per game, 7 steals per game, Rim Protector, 7 blocks a game, ,etc, and usually they are 7 footers, TALL, BIG, etc)

Do most PAC 12, MWC, WCC, Midmajor, Power Conference, etc, coaches get a HS kid that scores 7 ppg, 2.7 rebounds in 18 minutes on a GSL, 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A team?

NO, they instead get the HS kid that averaging 25+ points, or 7 to 10 to 13 rebounds per game, scores 60 points in a game, gets 23 rebounds in a game, etc.

Do they grab the kid at a community college that score 7 in 18 minutes? NO they get the player that Score 14 to 16 to 18+, or get 6 to 8 to 10 rebounds in a game instead of only getting 1,2,3 rebounds.

Do they get a 7 ppg, 2.7 rebounds in a game in 18 minutes from D2, Whitworth, Big Sky, WAC, Big West, MAAC, etc, or do they get a 13 to 15 to 17+ ppg, 8 to 10 to 12 rebounds per game player, transfer?

In GENERAL, USUALLY, kids, players, transfers, etc, at the LOWER LEVEL places, leagues, conferences, etc, or at least lower then PAC 12, WCC, MWC, etc, that only score 3 to 5 to 7 to 9 ppg, or only get 1,2,3 rebounds per game, or have LOW, BAD STATS, etc, and have low minutes, that are bench players, etc, USUALLY DO NOT DO WELL OR AS WELL OR HAVE GREAT DIFFICULTY MAKING THE TRANSITION, PLAYING WELL AT THE HIGHER LEVELS, AND ARE USUALLY END OF BENCH, PREFERRED WALK ON PLAYERS AT THE HIGHER LEVELS.

Did Smith get a 7 ppg, 2.7 rebounds per game in 18 minutes off the bench from University of Idaho, or did he instead get Isaac Jones that was scoring a LOT OF POINTS, GOOD STATS as a STARTER at the LOWER LEVEL, at least lower then WCC, MWC, PAC 12, etc, level University of Idaho?

Also getting a player that has GREAT STATS, whether scoring, rebounds, etc, at the lower levels is the NORM, not the exception.

Vavers is worthy of a PREFERRED WALK ON, OR if have a leftover scholly, and can afford to give it to a player like Vavers, then that ok, as need roleplayer, bench players, scout team players, scrubs players, etc, at even the higher levels.

Vavers is a D2, Whitworth, Big Sky level player that probably would get a lot of minutes, score a lot at the lower levels eventually.

If he does do well at WSU, it would probably be like Lodwick, in his redshirt Junior, Senior, 5th year senior, 6th year senior year,if he were to even stay that long, and not transfer portal down to a lower level because of lack of minutes, LACK of GOOD STATS, etc.

Michigan alcohol sales and ACC Spring Meeting

From more on the inside...

Liability is everything and #1 concern.

1) You have students who are idiots and the higher-ups don't want to encourage them to drink more... act dumber. I laugh at this because we all know they are going to drink anyway and money goes to local businesses instead of WSU.

2) The number of people driving home after the game with some super late hours would also add to drunk drivers on the road. Again... stupid to me because you shouldn't blame the seller... blame the dumb ass buyer. Rule of thumb... don't be a dumb ass.

The 2nd level of concern is regarding image. WSU already is a "party school". Instead of accepting and showing that partying and education can go hand in hand... WSU strives to quiet/change the image. Alcohol sales at the games by the school to where everyone gets at it gives a bad image.

I don't care if we go Bud Light image for the next 10 years.

Get the damn money! (It's purchased/sold everywhere else anyway)
Actually, WSU was really close to having this done, allowing beer & wine on the south side. I think it was just ahead of 2018. But, WSLCB shot it down at the 11th hour. My understanding is that they said there wasn’t sufficient control in place to prevent underage drinking…even though the control level would have exactly matched what happens at other sport venues.
WSU has swung more conservative & risk-averse since then, so maybe wouldn’t have continued beer sales anyway, but they came close.

I still think they’d make a small fortune selling ice cream in the stadium. They really don’t even need to ask permission for that, and at this point a couple of grabbers would probably make me just as happy as a couple beers would. Although, they’d probably jack the price of the grabbers to $8-10 each…which would reduce my enjoyment of them.
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