Been an expat for 10 years now
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Ginger could be very difficult at times. A little bitter. Claimed Bonham wasn't good. Too bad to hear that. Peart would never say that a certain drummer "wasn't much".
I'd call the mid 60s to the mid "aughts" my window, it's really been in the last decade that things have gone downhill
Its ok, that people have different taste, opinions on what good rock is.
But just because some may not like the rock that is coming out today, does not mean that its not good, or that no good rock is coming out.
Anothing thing that is happening is the return of one hit wonders.
While the 70's,80's, 90's, had good bands, that cranked out hit after hit on albums, they did have one hit wonders.
Todays Music scene over the last 4 to 7 years has had a lot of one hit wonders.
Its very common for albums today to have only 1,2 songs out of 10, 15, 20, that are good.
While that happened back then, it is even more common now.
Take what I cited.
Coldplay, Chainsmokers, DJ Snake, Imagine Dragons, Katy Perry, Carrie Underwood(Rock, pop, country), Zedd, Sia, Demi Lovato, Ed Sheeran
They are extremely popular in amongst ages 12 to 49.
But even tho they are popular lets look at some of their popular songs.
Imagine Dragons:
Thunder: Extremely Popular, but other then that song, have no other songs that popular or big a hit.
Carrie Underwood:
Shes had past hits, but now Champion, is her big popular hit.
DJ Snake: Turn Down for, the What
Katy Perry, Firework(newer), Roar(Older)
Sia: Chandelier, Titanium
Demi Lovato: Skyscraper
Coldplay:
A sky full of stars
Chainsmokers
Something just like this
This feeling
Zedd:
The Middle(Meet me in the middle)
Even Ed Sheeran has only: Perfect, All The Stars, Thinking Out Loud
Compare that to how with take say Bon Jovi:
Living on a Prayer, Wanted Dead or Alive, Blaze of Glory, Runaway, I'll be there for you, Always, You give love a bad name, whole slippery when wet album.
But even tho more 1 hit, 1 album semi wonders.
The music is good why?
And not just going to say because I say so, or because popular.
The music I cited is good because good rock beat, rhythm, good guitar riffs, good synthesizer, keyboards, piano, etc, good music, good vocals, good lyrics, catchy, snappy tunes comparable to That Thing You Do, no sounding like a bunch of zombies screaming, yelling, screeching, like with Heavy Metal groups like Anthrax, Megadeath, Slayer, etc
And those are the reasons the music I cited is popular, not only with teens, but 12 to 49 age range.
Not everybody will like the music I cited as good, but thats ok, and just because 1,2 dont like it, dont mean it not good.
There is still good rock music, and music overall coming out.
Its just not as much as the LOTS of good music in the 70's, 80's, 90's etc.
I did say that there is NOT AS MUCH good rock today, as there was back then. And that today's rock is not as good as 70's, 80's, 90's rock. And that today's music is mostly Rap, Hip Hop, R&B, Dance, Electronica, Synth, Pop, and not rock.
But that said, there is still a couple, few, some new rock coming out today, and that it is good, but not as good as 70's,80's,90's rock.
Its a false narrative, that there is supposedly no new rock, an or that todays rock is supposedly trash, not good.
Now maybe it might be trash compared to past rock, because past rock was so good.
But it is still ok rock that is coming out.
Also take the list I cited. That was a small list.
I maybe could have added, a couple, few, some more names to that list, but still would be small list
Now take that list and compare it to list in either the 70's, 80's,90's
I could make a list of about 150 to 350 bands from the 70's,80's,90's, that better then the list I cited from todays music.
So that shows that the 70's, 80's, 90's were better, then todays music.
But that said there is still a couple, few, some good new rock from, in todays music, age, era.
Mik, I question your standards, but I'm going to leave it at that because I'm not super interested in a WALL OF TEXT coming back to me that I might then have to try and decipher
I was in PDX last weekend and stumbled onto 92.3. That was my wheelhouse from the 70s and 80s.
Exactly, there is plenty of good music out there.
I'm not going to list them because most of the great bands from the 60 and 70s listed here I consider crap. Too each their own.
My brother in law has been an Aussie for almost 50 years. I love visiting; the place on the planet where they most like Yanks. He was in Tazzy for 20 years, then the gov't paid he & his wife to relocate to Townsville. Great fishing if you don't mind crocs. Cowboy hats & country music everywhere. And Aussie rules football (Aussie no rules). So long as the commodity boom can float the economy, it will be a great place to live.
He did. She is as country as it gets. Several of the others were more pop than rock.
I don't dislike Rush, but for a Canadian trio I much prefer Triumph. Rik Emmett's voice and guitar were something else.
Hard to believe that Bon Scott has been dead for 39 years. I really don't listen to post-Bon AC/DC. Brian Johnson doesn't sing, he just screams.
Speaking of AC/DC, let's not forget Australian rock bands in general. Not a big INXS fan, but they were OK. My personal favorite? The Divinyls. When I think about them I touch.......oh never mind. And of course hard rockers Men at Work and Air Supply!
Triumph was great as well. One of my all time favorite songs is Fight the Good Fight
yes, to each their own. For anyone who appreciates music recognizes talent..even Underwood and Coldplay. I happen to like Coldplay. None of these groups or artists are "hacks". None of them struggle to make music someone appreciates. Some of the speed metal groups... I didn't care to listen to, but there's no denying their musical talent.
I've got an uncle that moved there for a temporary job...in 1977. Married a local and never left. Now his daughter is in Townsville - and managed not to get flooded out this spring (or...fall, I guess). I really need to visit while I've still got free lodging.
My biggest issue is the number of these "bands" who keep doing the same song with different words. Everything Carrie Underwood has ever done sounds the same to me. Kind of an example of what I referenced earlier - find something that sells, put it on repeat until sales slow down...and then shorten the skirt and tighten the top.
No I didnt say Carrie Underwood was rock.
1. I said there is still a couple, few good both rock, and music bands, songs in today's music.
2. I said that most of todays music, was Rap, R&B, Hip Hop, Dance, Electronica, Synth, Pop, country, etc, and not rock
3. I listed the BOTH popular and good music today
4. I either stated that some of the listed bands, singers, songs, were rock, the other stuff not rock, or I didnt say which was which, but didnt say any specific on list was rock(example, never said Carrie Underwood was rock.
5. Imagine dragons, Coldplay, Fall Out Boys, was the rock on the list.
6. Carrie Underwood is kind of like Celine Dion, in how Celine Dion has sang, did tribute to AC/DC(sounded horrible)
Carrie Underwood is, has been country, but she is trying to reinvent herself, so she now does a mix of country, pop, pop rock, soft rock, country pop, country poprock, country soft rock, country hip hop, etc.
Champion, her latest hit is NOT a country song. It is a mix of pop, semi rock, with hip hop, mixed in. There is a hip hop, semi rap, will smith like artist also in the song.
The song is like when Katy Perry and Juicy J teamed up.
Carrie Underwood is either not country, or at least not the same country.
But that said I didnt say Carrie Underwood was straight rock, or any kind of rock for that matter.
Midnight OilHard to believe that Bon Scott has been dead for 39 years. I really don't listen to post-Bon AC/DC. Brian Johnson doesn't sing, he just screams.
Speaking of AC/DC, let's not forget Australian rock bands in general. Not a big INXS fan, but they were OK. My personal favorite? The Divinyls. When I think about them I touch.......oh never mind. And of course hard rockers Men at Work and Air Supply!
Hard to believe that Bon Scott has been dead for 39 years. I really don't listen to post-Bon AC/DC. Brian Johnson doesn't sing, he just screams.
Speaking of AC/DC, let's not forget Australian rock bands in general. Not a big INXS fan, but they were OK. My personal favorite? The Divinyls. When I think about them I touch.......oh never mind. And of course hard rockers Men at Work and Air Supply!
Men at Work, and Air Supply were Poprock, Pop, not hard rock.Airsupply was more soft rock, pop, slow love song ballads, then rock, hard rock.
Agree with your point about Australian Rockbands, and any Rockband from places like Austria, Sweden, Germany, England, etc.
Def Leppard, Scorpions, Europe, Falco were great bands that came to USA.
Def Leppard: United Kingdom(Pour Some Sugar on Me)
Europe: Sweden(Final Countdown)
Falco: Austria(more combination of straight rock, poprock). Rock Me Amadeus
Cant remember where Scorpions came from. They were caught in a Hurricane.
Triumph was good, ok to me, enjoyed listening to them, but liked other bands more.
There was such a glut of good rock bands that Triumph, was one of the few good bands to get lost to me amidst that glut of of good bands.
You mention Carrie Underwood as rock, and then try to argue whether other groups were pop or rock?
Soft/pop/hard rock became very blurry lines by the 80s. Some bands (most of the hair bands) blended all three, with varying degrees of success.
Scorpions were from Germany.
On that point, some of the lightening rods are
1. phish ( I can't take more than 5 minutes)
2. rush ( I can't take more that 5 seconds but I can see the talent in that 5 seconds)
3. The band. They are one of my favorites but it always amazes me to see how many people that love Americana hate them.
I DID NOT SAY CARRIE UNDERWOOD WAS ROCK.
Both you need to work on either reading, paying attention, reading comprehension, not misunderstanding, etc, and I need to work on better writing communication, so that people dont misunderstand, etc.
That used to be true of Carrie Underwood. Now she is kind of like Celine Dion that horribly sang AC/DC's Back in Black, You Shook Me All Night Long.
Carrie Underwood is trying to Reinvent herself.
Her latest hit, is Champion, a song that is a mix of pop, poprock, hiphop, with a Will Smith, Juicy J Semi Rap, Hip Hop Artist that she Carrie Underwood teamed up with to make the hit Champion. Kind of like Katy Perry's team up with Juicy J.
So while what you said may have been true about Carrie Underwood then, its not true now.
Carrie Underwood is trying to reinvent herself, find a new music identity, do everything.
Wouldnt be suprised if Carrie Underwood were to try to make a classical, elevator music, opera hit next.
I was a tad young to see Zeppelin in their prime. Too bad this is their last time playing together in 2007:
Also liked Judas Priest, forgot about them, accidentally left them off my 70's, 80's, 90's list.
You've got another thing coming was a great song of theirs.
Here is where the misunderstanding probably occured.
When I listed the newer good music bands, singers today:
I listed Carrie Underwood as one of them.
Next to Carrie Underwood's name I put: Example:
Carrie Underwood(rock, pop, country)
Now that meant that Carrie Underwood is a mix of country, pop, poprock, softrock)
If I was going to say Carrie Underwood was rock I would have put:
Carrie Underwood(Rock) instead of Carrie Underwood(Country, Pop, rock)
Carrie Underwood used to be primarily country.
But now Carrie Underwood is trying to reinvent herself, find a new music identity, does almost everything, is a mix of country, pop, poprock, softrock, hip hop, etc.
Like I said before, wouldnt be surprised if Carrie Underwood tried to make a classical elevator opera music hit next.
When I listed the newer good music bands, singers today:
I listed Carrie Underwood as one of them.
Next to Carrie Underwood's name I put: Example:
Carrie Underwood(rock, pop, country)
Now that meant that Carrie Underwood is a mix of country, pop, poprock, softrock)
If I was going to say Carrie Underwood was rock I would have put:
Carrie Underwood(Rock) instead of Carrie Underwood(Country, Pop, rock)
Carrie Underwood used to be primarily country.
But now Carrie Underwood is trying to reinvent herself, find a new music identity, does almost everything, is a mix of country, pop, poprock, softrock, hip hop, etc.
Like I said before, wouldnt be surprised if Carrie Underwood tried to make a classical elevator opera music hit next.
I couldn't do Townsville. Too damn humid and hot. I'm a Melbourne guy but like Tasmania too. Kinda feels a bit like home
I would of settled for John Paul Jones and Plant making songs and having a different drummer and guitarist. Jones and Plant worked well enough to write all the songs for In Through The Out Door before Bonham and Page showed up to the studio. Obviously, it wouldn't be LZ but maybe more like The Firm...that was really cool. Anything with Rodgers on vocals.
Hard to believe that Bon Scott has been dead for 39 years. I really don't listen to post-Bon AC/DC. Brian Johnson doesn't sing, he just screams.
Speaking of AC/DC, let's not forget Australian rock bands in general. Not a big INXS fan, but they were OK. My personal favorite? The Divinyls. When I think about them I touch.......oh never mind. And of course hard rockers Men at Work and Air Supply!
The little green smiley face at the end of my post is a sarcasm/joking indicator. I am well aware what genre Men at Work and Air Supply were/are.
And Falco was a guy, not a group and he sure sure as hell wasn't rock. Der Kommissar. (Falco's German version, not the After the Fire English version).
Oh gawd - Phish is just noise. A buddy of mine has all their albums. He made me sit through some of it once. Sounded like 8 guys in a room blowing and strumming on instruments that they had never seen or played before. No thanks.
"Led Zeppelin are an immovable force in music… I don't trust anyone who doesn't like them" - Jack White
Super group idea. 1980...bring Jack Bruce out of retirement...he was 37. Tony Iommi on lead guitar, Bill Ward on drums, Bruce and John Paul Jones could play anything and Plant on vocals. I'd be loud and dark like an ominous thunder cloud.Bruce could sing a couple of leads and background for Plant. Sabbath was still making music with Dio on lead during that time and it shouldn't of happened. Dio was better by himself and Geezer was a little bit of a control freak.
